The Grumpy Groundhog - Ubuntu for Developers 56
**loki969** writes "Ubuntu is planing a "cutting edge"-distro, 'The Grumpy Groundhog', which will be aimed explicitly at developers. Here is a quote from their site: 'Upstream development in the open source world moves at a tremendous pace. Many developers like to keep up to date with specific upstream products, but the work involved in building from CVS every day is substantial. With The Grumpy Groundhog Project, Ubuntu provides those developers with a ready source of packages containing the latest upstream code. '"
Re:Forking A, man (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe your patch would have a positive impact; maybe not. Maybe it would break something completely. The only way to tell is lengthy testing and QA. Some people won't want to use your patch until all the dust has settled, while others will want to try it out right away. Grumpy Groundhog is for the second group.
Forks are not alw
Re:Forking A, man (Score:1)
Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:2, Interesting)
Debian developers are extremely cautious. They don't usually package a given piece of software until mont
Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:2)
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Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:2)
Whoa there... You shouldn't run testing on servers. Testing is a middle-ground between stable and unstable. Unstable gets all the latest and greatest fixes. Stable has a security team. Testing has none of the above.
If there is a security problem, the security team will take care of it in stable, and because unstable is the development branch,
Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:3, Interesting)
No other distro I know of is using 2.6.10 by default, and 2.6.11 apparentl
Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:1)
experimental is for trying out REALLY radical stuff like new x servers developement versions of apt etc
Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:3, Interesting)
Really radical stuff should be tested before its even uploaded to experimental. Seriously, I think developers should be running testing. Every developer running unstable should be considered a vote to drop support for
Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:2, Interesting)
testing was and will be (its not right now because debian is in final release freeze) the place where the next stable release is built up. Unless pacakges had problems then prior to the recent freeze they should have made it from unstable to testing in less than two weeks. Hardly an eternity.
i'm not sure what you mean by holding unstable hostage? sure
Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:2)
The ubuntu team do alot of good work , they managed to pull off release scheduals which Debian proper hasn't beeen able to achive and have it stable out of the door(not that debian unstable is that unstable).So i would expect it to be on par with Debian unstable Stability wise(Debian really needs to change the names for a few things )
(though i love the release names , i suggested Ahstmatic Aardvark but it was rejected)
Re:Unstable, experimental, Ubuntu...? (Score:2)
for all intents. It may differ in practice, though
Re:What about... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What about... (Score:2)
Finally, a truly unstable Debian package repository that really is on the bleeding edge. Tried Debian Experimental, wasn't too impressed by the lameness.
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Of course, numquam negavi me insanum esse, but at the same time, it's the kind of thing that makes me cackle with glee.
Re:What about... (Score:1)
Backwards thru the alphabet? (Score:2)
What's next Frantic Ferret or Floppy Frog..
Re:Backwards thru the alphabet? (Score:2)
Re:Backwards thru the alphabet? (Score:1)
Wait for it.... (Score:1)
Re:Backwards thru the alphabet? (Score:1)
Re:"You are a moron if you try this Linux" (Score:2, Insightful)
After all, its not the distro's name that matters, its what you can do with it.
If its good names you are after, go and play with Tao Linux. Else, don't rush and judge an OS before you know the first thing about it.
Re:"You are a moron if you try this Linux" (Score:2, Insightful)
it is not like they need to sell it. it is meant for developers, and i doubt, that they give a f$ck, what the distro is called, as long as it serves its purpose. i actually think, it doesn't really matter.
btw, the libranet articel only got 15 posts in 4 days! i guess, they really need to change their name now. ;)
Re:"You are a moron if you try this Linux" (Score:4, Insightful)
I majored in English. I'd like to think that I'm aware of "the rudiments of communication".
So, I'd be interested in what you'd propose. Instead of "Grumpy Groundhog", would you prefer, say, "Electric Tornado Linux!" or "Silver Bullet Train Linux!!" or "Kung Fu Fists of Fury Linux!!!"? Maybe you were leaning more in the direction of "Ultra Rainbow Happy Linux of Most Excellentnessestness".
Or, perhaps, you're more in the made-up names camp: "Xinux", "Lazernix", "Mythix", "Dystro", "Majickx", or "UzerGlow". These, certainly, are more exciting than "Mepis", "Xandros", or the disaster that is "Mandriva".
Dude, personally, if I came across a distro called "Salma Hayek's Breasts Linux", I would use that in preference to anything else on the basis of the name alone. So, yeah, I agree, names have power.
In the spirit of that revelation I will immediately be uninstalling Mozilla, The Gimp, and all of my many Python libraries which have never gotten the "Py" + "Whatever-it-does" naming convention.
On a final note, I do agree with you to a point. It would be nice if developers paid a *little* more attention to names. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, bud.
Me? I happen to like "Grumpy Groundhog".
You? You are one.
Re:"You are a moron if you try this Linux" (Score:2)
Of course, there's also LinuXXX, which, oddly enough, is Ubuntu-based.
Re:"You are a moron if you try this Linux" (Score:4, Insightful)
i.e.: They have names that make immediate sense, and are approachable.
You can see a grandmother over tea saying, "Ooh, I just upgraded from Warty Warthog to Hoary Hedgehog. It's much nicer. Do you want to see some pictures of my grandkids? I just had Charles upload them."
They rhyme, so are easy to remember. They are animals, and thus easy to remember and less frightening then MegaMachinaL33nux. The entire idea of ubuntu is to make complex computers part of a regular human existence, to put some actual DESIGN into linux, rather then bells and whistles. Yeah, some people hate the default theme, but it is very approachable and very non-intimidating. Calling the devel version "Grumpy" also creates a sense of "Maybe I should avoid that one and use the Hedgehoggy one."
Simple, intuitive, Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is fine. (Score:1, Insightful)
Ubuntu is fine. "Grumpy Groundhog" is not. Not if you want to attract new users.
Choosing a bad name is self-defeating, pure and simple.
Re:Ubuntu is fine. (Score:2)
(Although the repositories still contain their namesakes, eg warty or hoary or...grumpy, I guess)
That doesn't work. (Score:1)
That doesn't work. In fact, it gives many, many people a bad impression long before they think of trying the distro.
To see this more clearly, just exaggerate. Suppose they called the developer release "stupid idiot". Many, many people who don't know anything about Ubuntu would learn to associate Ubuntu with something negative. Then, when the release version is available, there would be a huge amount of negativity associated with it, even if they call that "happy days".
Even FOSS needs marketing communication. (Score:2)
Your position is just not how the world works.
Anti-African?????
Re:"You are a moron if you try this Linux" (Score:2)
Well, different worlds I'd say. I never in my life would've thought about Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger or Grumpy Groundhog as simple, nor intuitive. I think whoever thinks these names out is just in an urging need of a good kilolitre of fine ale and a good sleep.
Well, I might not be quite objective her e:) but I really like Sid, Woody and Sarge
Ubuntu continues to grow... (Score:4, Insightful)
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cflags? (Score:2)
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