The SCO Boomerang and the Strength of Linux 219
karvind writes "PJ of Groklaw has written an insightful article on benefits flowing from SCO's litigation: GPL stands up in court, the community bonded more tightly than ever, encouraged increased support for FOSS and last but not the least heightened awareness of the benefits of using GNU/Linux systems. Article is also on Yahoo and NewsFactor."
GPL (Score:5, Informative)
There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:5, Insightful)
The GPL is a work of sheer genius.
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:2, Insightful)
Free software is not always the solution. Proprietary software does not need liberation. You can't make as much money with open source software as you can with closed source software. Making profit is a good thing.
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:5, Insightful)
If the proprietary software is something that is expected to exist for a long time, participate in public data infrastructure and/or is of very high importance, then there are some very compelling arguments that it should indeed be liberated.
It is not even completely clear that you can make more money with proprietary software. The largest and most profitable computer company in the world is open-sourcing practically everything these days, they believe it is good for business. You know the one, with three blue letters?
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:5, Insightful)
How about we compare corporations like Red Hat to Microsoft. I think that argument is much more compelling.
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:5, Informative)
Adding that up, it looks like services top HW & SW combined.
I believe IBM's use of OSS to leverage their services business is quite relevant. I do suspect that the majority of their services don't have anything to do with OSS, but my (uninformed) opinion says the % is growing, and will continue to grow for a while.
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:2)
They use software to sell Hardware. They use Hardware to push services.
Nope. Most of IBM's services business has nothing to do with IBM hardware. I work for IBM Global Services and most of what we do is create or integrate applications that run on a hodgepodge of hardware from various vendors and use a hodgepodge of software components from various vendors. It's very common that a large services contract may not have a single IBM hardware or software component to be found, other than the laptops use
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:2)
For the one Microsoft, there's literally one-hundered thousand broken companies whose product now lies abandoned.
For the one Microsoft, there are one-hundred companies which are doing worse than RH.
For the one Microsoft, there are one-hundred companies doing marginally better than RH.
For the one Microsoft, there are even half a dozen companies or so which can be compared to Microsoft.
So it may be a compelling comparison, but it too will be misleading.
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:2)
Before we run off comparing anyone to anyone (and anyone to Microsoft is silly and irrelevant for obvious reasons), let's take a moment to question the motivation for making assertions that OSS is stupid because proprietary software is more profitable.
First, whether a company is pushing proprietary or open source, using standards (e.g. open systems) or not (closed systems) essentially amounts to
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:5, Insightful)
The GPL crowd drives some people away. Some Microsoft fans draw me away. Apple fans drive other people away. So what? Everybody is attracted and repelled by one thing or another.
IMHO, proprietary software is not a solution, it's sometimes a necessary compromise when there's no other alternative. In that sense it works well for vertical applications. For nearly everything else, I'd say it's a big disadvantage since usually you get stuck with a single vendor and lock-in.
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:2)
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:5, Insightful)
That all depends on whether you sell software or buy it. If you are not a software salesman, your bottom line will be better with open source.
Making profit is a good thing.
Let's all nail shutters over our windows to make the power company more profitable.
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:4, Insightful)
"The license itself may be a work of sheer genius, but the idiotic, uncompromising fanaticism and elitism of the GPL crowd drives people away."
You can say the same thing about Microsoft's "Business Software Alliance." [com.com]
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:5, Insightful)
For example I've been writing software for over twenty years and none of it has ever been sold, it's all been in-house to support the business functions of the various companies for which I've worked. FOSS is very useful as it means I don't have to squeeze any more budget to pay for proprietary software which may be 'end of lifed'.
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:2)
The major difference here is that the fanatics on the proprietary side of things tend to spend millions on flawed studies and buying news reporters to spread untruths, whereas the fanatics on OSS generally rant about it on forums.
Which is more dangerous? I guess that's a matter of opinion.
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:2)
Just how much of the software written, do you think gets SOLD, in boxes? 90%? 75? 50%?
Try around 10%. Most software is written by programmers in corporations for internal needs, or written for specific, custom contracts, not intended to be sold again.
But, don't believe ME. Go and ask everybody you know that writes software, and add it up yourself. Get a decent sampling size, and you'll see what I mean.
Micros
Re:There's a reason it wasn't tested in court (Score:2)
There's a line in the sand, and no copyright is far past that line.
Re:GPL (Score:5, Insightful)
If I understand it correctly, it works like this. When a company is about to go to court, they realize that the GPL is the only thing that gives them the permission to distribute the code. If they try to argue that the GPL doesn't apply, then they suddenly have nothing in their favour at all and are clearly guilty of copyright infringement.
No wonder it never went to court, because it's clearly an unwinnable situation.
Re:GPL (Score:5, Informative)
Therefore, the GPL was tested in court, and it stood rather well.
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Re:GPL (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:GPL (Score:2)
That is not quite true. It is possible to revoke a license given in the past (even if done in breach of contract* - although this will have the consequence of liability for damages in contract), however as you point out there may be an estoppel. But to get an estoppel you have to show that you have relied on the license in a way that makes it unconscionable for the licensor to retract the license.
If you have only used the software
Re:GPL (Score:3, Insightful)
For the non-law geeks (Score:2)
Re:GPL (Score:2)
You cannot retroactively revoke existing licensed software.
All new users of that software would be bound by the new licensing fees, but all copies in existance that were licensed under the GPL, are still covered by the GPL, and can be redistributed under the clause of that license.
Just correcting your minor inaccuracy...
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Re:GPL (Score:5, Interesting)
Also not possible, since the GPL is simply a license to copy and redistribute copyrighted software, if the GPL is revoked, I still have been granted rights to the version I was given, via the U.S. Copyright system. I am free to do whatever I wish with it, including rebrand it as my own and sell it as a competing product.
When the GPL is stripped away, what is left is a stronger legal standing, not a weaker one. Trust me on this, We've been fighting 3 cases of GPL violation with our FSF-appointed attorney in towe, for the last 4-5 years now. Commercial companies seem to think because we're "spare time hackers", we can't afford attorneys, and that they can pick and claw at whatever pieces of our code they wish. They are sorely mistaken.
In the case of a GPL investigation, if the violation of that license is proven to be accurate, all rights to continue to use that GPL'd code are revoked, making EVERY SINGLE SALE OR DOWNLOAD of that GPL code from that point, a United States Copyright Violation, subject to fines of $20,000/USD to $200,000/USD per-incident. Its VERY expensive to violate the GPL.
In one case, the vendor took our project, every single piece of it, slapped their own names on it, removed ours, stripped out the licensing, put their icons on it, and began selling it to "partners", without letting them know that it was based on GPL code (and without transferring that GPL license to those "partners"). Since they were openly advertising that it was "their" product, written by them (they gave copies away by the thousands at "beaming" kiosks at tradeshows), this was now what is called a "Lanham Act Violation", otherwise known as "...false designation of origin". When we approached their "partners" and asked for source, we were directly threatened by the CEO of the original violating company with bankruptcy and other things. I quote: "If we end up in court, I will bankrupt these guys! I have millions of dollars of investor money to play with..."
It never ceases to amaze me how stupid and ignorant companies like this continue to be, but the number of GPL violations continues in the industry every single day, there are thousands of known violators out there right now, just waiting for someone to slap them with an injunction and a subponea to audit their source code.
Once someone grants you rights to a piece of software, it cannot be revoked after the fact.
Re:GPL (Score:2)
Whilst I agree with much of your post, this is wrong. If the GPL is found to be invalid, then you cannot rebrand or distribute the version you have. You can carry on using it (you don't nee
Re:GPL (Score:2)
And the question returns to: Then why did the Developer use that license in the first place? Is the Developer in violation of the law since he used an - according to him - illegal license? Or did you want to use the word "invalid" instead of the far stronger "illegal"?
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Re:GPL (Score:2)
First is "promissory estoppel". The initial distribution and license grant is an implicit promise not to sue the recipient; even if the developer secretly didn't think the GPL valid, he acted as though he did, and the recipient has to assume that the developer/distributor was acting in good faith. The law provides that the recipient is
Re:GPL (Score:2)
However courts have already upheld that people can split rights. In other words I can sell you the unlimited right to publish something while still retaining the right myself. Proquest is a company that often enters into these types of arrangements.
The problem would be for version 1.0 where does Developer have any standing that User doesn't? In other words the courts might just simple say that Developer "sold" a copy of his rights for $0 to "User" and thus
Re:GPL (Score:2)
To really test the GPL you'd have to have a scenerio more like the original poster's.
Re:GPL (Score:5, Informative)
"124. SCO has infringed and is infringing IBM's copyrights by copying, modifying, sublicensing and/or distributing Linux products except as expressly provided under the GPL. SCO has taken copyrighted source code made available by IBM under the GPL, included that code in SCO's Linux products, and copied, modified, sublicensed and/or distributed those products other than as permitted under the GPL. SCO has no right -- and has never had any right - to copy, modify, sublicense and/or distribute the IBM copyrighted code except pursuant to the GPL."
Re:GPL (Score:3, Funny)
I see your command of English syntax equals that of the original poster.
Re:GPL (Score:2)
Any court proceeding in which the GPL is enforced is a test, and establishes precedent. Perhaps not an exhaustive test, but a test nevertheless. Any future litigant would have to explain why this decision was inapplicable to the new situation.
But there is no question on the table as to the validity of the lic
Insightful? (Score:2, Informative)
And in Germany, the GPL has been ruled on in two cases where the GPL was held to be enforceable. I believe Stu Cohen or Eben Moglen have used those two cases as examples of cases that are going to be used in international law as a basis for future decisions, and will prob
Re:Insightful? (Score:2)
From TFA:
54% of the finanicial industry has or is planning to use Linux in 2005.
More than 50% of blades are running Linux.
IBM alone made a billion out of Linux last year.
The Linux industry is currently worth $15 billion, and will be worth $35 billion by 2008.
Only Microsoft thinks the GPL is bad for business.
Re:Insightful? (Score:4, Insightful)
The other reply points out how many billions GNU/Linux is currently worth and is projected to be worth in the next few years. That's how much it is worth to the tech companies that sell computers.
Why is GNU/Linux the juggernaut that it is today? Why has it been growing at 50% compound annual growth rate for more than a few years and projections put it at the same compound growth rate for the next 3-5 years depending on who you ask? At that continued growth rate, if it can be sustained and the analysts project it out at that rate for 3-5 years so they believe it can be sustained, it will eclipse Microsoft to become the #1 operating system on servers. It already is #1 on blades. Why all this? Because companies and industry see the value in GNU/Linux powered systems. The real value is competition, no lock-in from Microsoft, no lock-in for ridiculous priced Sun hardware. GNU/Linux, x86, and AMD/64 have made servers commodities, broken the OS and cpu monopolies.
The value that isn't stated in the numbers of the other post is the hundreds of billions of dollars in value in the US (and worldwide, but we're addressing your regulatory comment) that companies outside of tech, but who are dependant on computers for their revenue and earnings, the value that they place on GNU/Linux.
Does Daimler Chrysler sell blades? Servers? Embedded devices? Desktops? They are an automotive company, not a computer hardware company. But they saw the value in GNU/Linux, and they became "well known to be a Linux shop". So a multi-billion dollar, Fortune 500, non-tech company sees tremendous value in GNU/Linux. Any guess whether the rest of the companies in the Fortune 500 see value in GNU/Linux?
Any guess in which lobbying direction the other 450+ (excluding Microsoft and some of the tech companies that are dependent on Microsoft dominance) companies of the Fortune 500 will send their lobbyists when it comes to lobbying legislators to flex WTO muscle?
As for Microsoft, they can't do anything at all. Other posts are mentioning that Microsoft will start enforcing patents or funding other companies to do this. As soon as they do this, anti-trust rears its head. Perhaps the only thing Microsoft fears more than GNU/Linux is the threat of being broken up into pieces like Ma Bell. This already has been suggested (by a judge iirc), where Microsoft would be broken up into Operating System and Office, or it can be taken far further, breaking up additional units (like the Great Plains Software and other divisions).
Microsoft got a pass with the current anti-trust situation in the US. They are well aware this can change overnight based on their anti-competitive actions, or based on a change in government administration in the US. That's why Intel is treading carefully with AMD and allowing them to exist. They can shut down AMD overnight by simply cutting prices and riding it out cushioned by their cash reserves for a few or more years. Japan brings up interesting questions on anti-trust with Intel. Does Intel have any of the anti-competitive contract/compensation requirements with US hardware manufacturers like it has with the manufacturer that complained in Japan? Tech journalists should start asking these questions, hopefully others will pick up the questions and keep asking Intel. If they do and it is found out, AMD will pick up major market share (and possibly Dell as a customer) once those illegal contracts are banned and action is taken against Intel, if the contracts exist.
GNU/Linux may be worth 15 billion now and 50 or a 100 billion in the next few years, but it is worth far more to non-tech companies who will prevent going back to the Unix & Microsoft lock-ins of the past with every fiber of their being.
Re:Insightful? (Score:2)
Precisely what the people who think Microsoft can even possibly retain their current marketshare overlook. Some people seem to think MS has deep enough pockets to influence a whole string of elections, AND go up against half the NYSE or more, AND keep the OEMs supporting them, all at the same
Re:GPL (Score:5, Insightful)
The GPL is a license to use copyrighted software. As such it will never be 'tested in court' in the sense you describe. However, it is a (perhaps the only) defence against a charge of copyright infringement, where the code user cannot demonstrate some other license to use the software[1].
In fact, SCO is using it as its defence in the 8th (iirc) counterclaim, which is where the court then will determine if SCO has fulfilled all the licence terms. That is all the 'test' it will ever get, and all we will ever need.
Once you understand that, the idea suggested by Darl that all GPL works should be declared Public Domain becomes clearly visible as the idiotic idea it is: it would involve stripping copyright from hundreds (thousands!) of works for the benefit of exactly the same type of people who are currently having copyrights extended so they can continue to make money off long-dead artists (eg Sonny Bono).
Justin.
[1] AFAIK there is nothing to stop the owner of some code both relieasing under the GPL and simultaneously licensing it for commercial use for money. After all, why should the owner of some code not do as he/she wishes with it?
OT: rights of owners (Score:3, Interesting)
You know, where the author of GPL -- Mr. Stallman -- lives, right? Cambridge, MA...
The dominant view of property in that town may be very different from yours. For example, this is the city that had the most anti-landlord legislation for years (resulting in great tenant-landlord animosity, of course). After the state-wide referendum repealed most of it several years ago, many people in Cambridge keep campaigning to put them bac
Re:GPL (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually the GPL has nothing to do with 'using' software (eg running an application, loading and booting an OS, etc). Default copyright doesnt place any restrictions on someone merely 'using' a program - only proprietary EULA's go there (and it is controversial as to wether those are/should be binding at all).
The GPL merely covers copying all or part of the source code of a GPL'ed program into an
Re:GPL (Score:2)
J.
Re:GPL and use (Score:2)
The GPL might end up apply to use. To "use" software you have to make a lot of copies and some derivied works. Up until now these have all fallen under "fair use". You sell the copy on cdroms so that people can copy to their harddrive then to ram then to caches, then create derived works in JITs, microcode....
What some commercial companies are arguing is that these fair use rights should be restricted. So for example buying a license to OSX does not permit you to run it under PearPC. Since
Re:GPL and use (Score:3, Insightful)
If you read the GPL carefully (it seriously sounds like you havent - I suggest when you have a bit of free time that you pop over to http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.txt and read it through - its quite interesting, and may well clear up a lot of confusion you have) you will note that it applies only to taking the GPL'd source code, and adding it (or adding other code to it) to produce a new program. It specifically says it does *NOT* apply to the act of loading the program onto hardware (which
Re:GPL and use (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:GPL (Score:2)
You are quite correct. See MySQL, Qt (TrollTech), and others for concrete examples.
Re:GPL (Score:2)
J.
Re:GPL (Score:2)
Read the article (Score:2)
The GPL won't really be "tested in court" until someone is sued for refusing to release source code. The CherryOS case is one among a large number of examples of how fast everyone faced with a clear cut GPL violation has folded. The only disagreement I've heard between the legal community and the FSF i
Re:GPL (Score:2)
Please see IBM's 8th Counterclaim.
Re:GPL (Score:2)
You miss the point. People who choose to license code that they wrote dont *WANT* companies to be able to steal their code to incorporate into their non-GPL programs. Free software (RMS' definition of free) is *NOT* about giving software companies more ability to profit by coping bits - its about there being more software, more people working on it, and more people contributing, to software
Re:GPL (Score:2)
Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:3, Insightful)
*cough cough BITKEEPER cough*
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
Mention anything in favour of the GPL and some BSD troll will try and make out that you are some group-thinking slashbot who hasn't considered the issues. But no, I have considered the issues, and the GPL works out damn fine.
And on another BSD troll issue, they always look down on linux because it's a "toy". Yeah well let's just have a look at the troubles in FreeBSD 5 then hey? Linux, although certainly not perfect (take note of what I just said please), is nothing to sniff at technically.
Now I don't mind the BSD licence, it's cool. Most BSD guys are cool (again take note). I just hate that part of the BSD culture which looks down it's nose at the GPL like anyone who supports it is some script kiddiot. There are reasons for it, damn good reasons.
And yes there are linux ppl trolling BSD also, but they are normally full-on joking rather than being serious like the BSD elitist trolls. "BSD is dying" isn't half as bad or serious as some poncy "you are an inferior being because your linux "distro" is a toy next to the awesome power of my SMP implimentation on my *BSD box"
fuck em if they can't take a joke.
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
To me, the BSD license is based on; "I shared with you and you made it better, now I'm going back to work and outdo you."
To me, the BSD license says, "The community invested a huge amount of work in this code. Feel free to incorporate into your private product and charge users through the nose for it while pretending it's yours. Don't feel obligated to give back anything in return, and feel free to bash FOSS as insecure, and inferior while you use and profit from it."
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
No I don't. I'd say:
GPL -- Change society
BSD -- Get a piece of software used heavily
Or:
GPL - Protect long term freedoms
BSD - Maxamize short term freedoms
Or:
GPL - Protect users
BSD - Protect developers
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:3, Insightful)
Who cares. That's just kernel politics bullshit. It's happenned before (smp support disputs for instance), they'll end up creating something better then bitkeeper anyways.
Seriously. It realy doesn't matter very much anyways. The free version of bitkeeper is still aviable, and now people have a good reason to build a free replacement/improvement.
You mistake Linus's personality flaws with something that actually matters. It doesn't.
If you look back into history a similar thing with SCO.
If SCO d
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
Um, maybe, maybe not. Linus was using MINIX, which was pretty much free. One reason he developed Linux was because the license for MINIX didn't let him update and improve it except through patches... conceptually, though not genetically, Linux was started as "MINIX Improved".
Now he has said that if BSD had been ready a year earlier there woudln'
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
I know it's a pain to switch to something else now, but it's been good while it lasted, and part (most?) of the increase in productivity has been from Linus being forced to learn to delegate better. Just this alone is worth it.
Also what hypocrisy is there from Linus? Has he said somewhere that reverse engineering the BK protocol is immoral and unethical? Has he said the opposite for
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:3, Informative)
Trigdell is the lead programmer for Samba. It's his baby. It started out as a hobby for him, something to play with, exactly the same way that he was playing with Bitkeeper. I don't know that this hobby would ever produce a replacement for Bitkeeper, but I don't know that it wouldn't either. But, to
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
What can I say? You are totally right. I've just pasted those links to irc, and been discussing this. He was a total idiot that time.
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
What solution is there now? Evidently, the solution now is going to be to write a new product (or perhaps enhance an existing product) that accomplishes what the kernel hackers are looking for. So what's going to happen to kernel productivity while this is going on? If the work on an open source applicaton had started three years ago, we'd almost certainly have a usable, though perhaps n
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
At one time a writer got mad at all the publishing software that existed, so he took 20 years off to write his own. Perhaps you have used the result, we call it TeX, and it is very popular in the math world.
Sure there might be a 20 year set back in Linux, but linux is in pretty good shape. In return we get a version control system that works. I'd call that a worthwhile trade, but then I use FreeBSD on my computers so I don't get any benefit from Linux myself.
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
Agree or disagree involved. I wanted to make a point or slight correction.
If using BitKeeper was a gain or not depends on your goal. If your goal was a working kernel of the quality that 2.6 is, then BK was worth it. If the goal is perfect open source, than BK was a loss (CVS could have been kluged to work). If the goal is open source, but have no particular political goals involved, then BK is a wash.
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
This is part of the BitKeeper myth. BitKeeper has two features:
1) It is distributed
2) Large patch sets merge very fast
There is no good reason Linus needs #1. AFAICT the Linux development model is really based on hierarchical branching which most CM systems handle fine. Frankly a 1/4 time CM guy would have solved this issue no problem and they could have used any number of solutions.
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bonded more tightly than ever, huh? (Score:2)
Gamer's Advisory: Cursed Boomerang of SCO (Score:4, Funny)
... is not effective against charging penguins!
And more concern (Score:5, Interesting)
Microsoft is placing full page ads based on this angle in trade magazines now.
While the reality of being sued may ( or may not exist ), they are doing their best to instill the fear of it into businesses, so they will stay with 'safe' software.
With all the free press, its only helping Microsoft do this.
Re:And more concern (Score:3, Interesting)
Am I the only one? Is Microsoft announcing it's intentions to throw rocks at the gears? I can see some Microsoft black-project to get some independant [ehum..] developers to sue big companies for some triviality related to an open-source license to try to drive the point home.
Never mind me, I'm just paranoid..
Re:And more concern (Score:2)
Once they hold all the key patents they can. Will they? Who knows, but they could. A percieved threat looming overhead will influence a lot of smaller companies decision. They cant afford to be 'right', and have to fight it legally.
Way off! (Score:2)
"will i be sued by Some near-bankrupt COmpany shilling for Microsoft if i use this free software"
Re:And more concern (Score:2)
Re:And more concern (Score:2, Interesting)
So, the issue is not so much who will pay for
Not only OSS users can get sued (Score:2, Insightful)
However, people may remember not long ago, M$ SQL Server developers were being threatened with lawsuits, due to a patent conflict. See this Register Article [theregister.co.uk]...
The licence of your software really bears little relevance to how likely you are to be sued IMHO.
Re:Not only OSS users can get sued (Score:2)
Im just restating the push of the Ad campaign and the angle they are using.
Even if Microsoft did promise to come to you rescue and pay your legal bills, it still doesnt help you when you cant use said software any longer and business suffers..
Microsoft AD reference (Score:5, Informative)
March 7 edition of Information Week ( print version ) Pages 30 and 31.
Entited "Adding up the costs of linux vs. windows? Be sure to add the intellectual property risks, too."
I have seen it elsewhere too, but that is the only hard refrence i can remember.
End of story? (Score:2)
As everybody knows (Score:2, Insightful)
If they were not like that, the article she wrote would not have been necessary. So, it is a good thing she wrote it, but there is no boomerang effect, just yet.
The reasons for the GPL's strength is obvious (Score:3, Insightful)
Copyright law says you can't copy something without permission from the copyright holder (personal and fair use notwithstanding). Period.
The GPL does nothing more than _GRANT_ permission to people that agree to abide by its terms. Period.
That's it. If you don't agree to the terms, you don't have the permission that it grants, and you have no more permission to copy it than if the GPL weren't there at all, but the work was still copyrighted.
Re:The reasons for the GPL's strength is obvious (Score:2)
That's not true at all. There are lots of ways GPL programs could have problems in courts that don't effect all other licenses.
For example most GPL projects (FSF and GNOME being exceptions) are not careful about establishing standing. So you might have a situation where someone copies GPL code and distributes a modified version yet wins
Re:The reasons for the GPL's strength is obvious (Score:2)
Re:Annoying and Compulsory RMS Troll (Score:4, Insightful)
2: You want RMS to die?, do you want 20 years of fight against the stablishment, the GPL, the FSF, and 60% of the software on your average distro to die with him too?.
You sir, are an uneducated bastard.
Re:Annoying and Compulsory RMS Troll (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm a big free software fan, but I frame it in highly practical terms. Copyright is a monopoly, by definition--to some extent, it's a justifiable monopoly, because of the benefits of guaranteeing an economic return to the parties that create and fund its development. It helps to economically rationalize the costs of software development,
Re:Annoying and Compulsory RMS Troll (Score:2)
Re:Annoying and Compulsory RMS Troll (Score:2, Insightful)
reverse engineering (Score:4, Insightful)
If he's got a problem with reverse engineering, he must be buying all of his PCs from IBM right? I mean, wasn't the BIOS reverse engineered?
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Re:Annoying and Compulsory RMS Troll (Score:2)
The GNU tools were ported to Linux; Stallman et al (apprently you included) are trying to argue that this means GNU should be part of the name of the whole since Linux is "worthless" without the tools.
That is just petty squabbling over the fact that GNU didn't manage to make a proper kernel before Linux came along - as you indirectly state.
With the whole "GNU/Linux" thing, GNU gives off the impression of "tag-alongs" trying to ride
Re:The winds of change.... (Score:2, Insightful)
The first person(prostoalex [slashdot.org]) has more accepted submissions, also has a blog, and has nobody complaining about him.
Without regular roving reporters, digging out interesting stories, slashdot would be shit.
I have not come across a single article where Roland forces people to his blog, EVERY single article blurb links directly to his original source, the blog is just anoth
Re:The winds of change.... (Score:2)
The first person(prostoalex ) has more accepted submissions, also has a blog, and has nobody complaining about him.
The people modding you up should be banned from moderation permanently. Why, and why is nobody complaining about prostoalex? Because he's not linking to his site(s) as part of the article. At least not in the last 10 submissions I bothered to double-check. Can you point out to any link whoring by prostoalex that is anywhere close to the Engadget shit we've seen?
Without regular rov
Re:The winds of change.... (Score:2)
Roland, however, has a link to his blog relating to the story on every article, which has ads based on traffic, so he's obviously making money every time he posts.
Re:The winds of change.... (Score:2)
You should check back, every single article links to the author as the first thing, the bloody blog is linked there.
You need to screw your head on straight if you think it's out of the ordinary for the submitter's contact link to reference their own blog. Roland does the same and that is not the source of the disgust towards his practices.
As a rebuttal, show me one place where you are forced to view Rolands blog without actually being able to read the original source article.
The issue is not
Re:Everything that does not kill me - (Score:2)
"That which does not kill me... Gets fucked later in the day"
Re:Everything that does not kill me - (Score:2)
Re:Everything that does not kill me - (Score:2)