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Ubuntu Linux Live CD Release 334

Posted by CowboyNeal from the try-before-you-install dept.
tola writes "The Ubuntu development team have reached their first milestone in the production of the Live CD version of the upcoming release of Ubuntu codenamed 'Hoary Hedgehog.' This edition features a completely redesigned system for creating Live CDs. While some people have tried rough previews, this is the first proper milestone for the live CD version. Anyone, especially folks who are using our previous release (4.10 'Warty Warthog'), are encouraged to try this out. The Live CD runs completely off of the CD and will not touch any of the data on your hard drive so is a fantastic way to get a preview of new features in the upcoming Ubuntu release without upgrading your system. ISO images for i386, AMD64 and PowerPC can be downloaded from Ubuntu."
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  • AMD65? (Score:4, Funny)

    by El Cubano ( 631386 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:27PM (#11499738)

    AMD65

    Is this the competitor to Intel's VIIV [slashdot.org]?

  • I've used that on several network fileservers, but for my main machine, I rely primarily on WindowsXP because of its ease of use. I have loaded Knoppix on this guy a few times when I want to play Shisen-sho or Mahjongg, but I always have that fear in the back of my that something is going to break on my base Windows system.

    What precautions do these LiveCDs take to prevent damage from occuring to the installed base system? I trust Knoppix because I've used it a few times, but Ubuntu has a funny name, so I

    • Re:I like the Knoppix CD (Score:5, Informative)

      by lachlan76 ( 770870 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:32PM (#11499777)
      What precautions do these LiveCDs take to prevent damage from occuring to the installed base system?

      Well, the fact there isn't a RW NTFS driver makes it safe enough (your partition is mounted read-only), as well as the fact that the root partition is on the cd. Unless you do it yourself, it won't touch the hard drive.
      • yes there is, the latest knoppix releases carry a (I believe still beta version) of an NTFS writer util (captive knoppix). However, as disks are mounted read-only by default in knoppix there should be no problem.
      • I like removable primary drives, and slidable-drives on notebooks. They work great...

        For example-

        One notebook that I like to use for experimentation is an older (PIII, 700 MHZ) HP Omnibook 6000. I have one drive that I use for home and general work using installed programs that I semi-regularly use.

        The drive and its caddy slide out (it's held in my two screws normally, but I removed them). I have another drive in a caddy that I slide in when I want to install an O/S to just experiment with.

        On occassi

    • Re:I like the Knoppix CD (Score:4, Informative)

      by Anubis350 ( 772791 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:33PM (#11499781)
      Assuming this is a legit ?...

      they don't write anything to disk unless you want 'em too (usually intentionally not easy), only ram (they can use native swap if you have it though). They usually mount local disks "read only" to make sure this is true. Since they dont touch the disk and run off CD there should be little/no chance of your windows install (or anything else on the machine for that matter) being effected in the slightest
    • What precautions do these LiveCDs take to prevent damage from occuring to the installed base system?

      As far as I can tell, the only thing that Knoppix will mount r/w by default is a Linux swap partition.

      Things like NT filesystems are only mounted read-only unless you specifically ask for it to be re-mounted read-write.

      When you get to the boot prompt, instead of hitting 'enter' (or waiting for it to timeout and boot), you can go
      knoppix noswap
      That will cause it to ignore any swap partitions and not

  • AMD65? (Score:4, Funny)

    by shweazel ( 583363 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:28PM (#11499749)
    It runs on an AMD-65 [kalashnikov.guns.ru]? I'm impressed!

  • Always one better... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Psychotext ( 262644 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:30PM (#11499757)
    AMD 65, because 64 bit was so 2004.

  • RMS's choice (Score:5, Interesting)

    by vandan ( 151516 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:30PM (#11499758) Homepage
    Apparently Ubuntu is Richard Stallan's recommended distro. "Apparently" ... the place where I saw this made no mention of why, but I assume it has to do with licensing issues.

    Anyone care to enlighten me?

    • Re:RMS's choice (Score:5, Informative)

      by swv3752 ( 187722 ) <swv3752&hotmail,com> on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:38PM (#11499817) Homepage Journal
      Ubuntu is Debian with a better installer and only uses GNOME. History of licensing issues with Qt/KDE is that it was not always GPLed. GNOME was sponsored by the FSF as a "Free" replacement for KDE. Also the debian folks are sometimes a bit too radical even for RMS.

      While I don't know specifics, but I imagine this is probably why.

      • Re:RMS's choice (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Stallman doesn't like it how Debian has a large non-free repository of software. He would prefer if they only 'endorsed' completely free software.

        Regarding KDE, I don't think he has any issues with it now that both KDE and QT are under the GPL. Earlier, KDE was GPL but QT was under a proprietary license, so under the terms of the GPL, noone was allowed to distribute KDE binaries linked against QT. Other distros deliberately overlooked this, but Debian, as always, were sticklers for copyright.

        • Re:RMS's choice (Score:4, Interesting)

          by i_should_be_working ( 720372 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @11:33PM (#11500133)
          Ubuntu also has those non-free repositories. But only non-free that's still legal and free as in beer. To get stuff like mp3 playing/encoding and dvd playing you have to go to some other repository or compile it yourself.

          So RMS likes that a user has to make a real effort to get non-free stuff, and that they'll be aware what they're doing.

          On Gentoo I installed non-free stuff frequently with no idea of their liscensing issues.
        • so under the terms of the GPL, noone was allowed to distribute KDE binaries linked against QT

          Small nit-pick for accuracy of readers. Depending on your view of KDE's rights over KDE software it may be the case that:

          so under the terms of the GPL, noone was allowed to redistribute KDE binaries linked against QT. However KDE would still be able to distribute directly themselves.

          Debian legal was divide on that issue they did however determine that Debian not have the rights under the mixed QT/GPL

          • Re:QT + GPL: (Score:3, Informative)

            by hawk ( 1151 )
            I am a lawyer, but this is not legal advice. If you're considering getting legal advice on the web, get your head checked.

            >However KDE would still be able to distribute directly themselves.

            It's even broader than that: KDE was QGPL, not GPL, no matter how many times the authors claimed otherwise.

            The clear intent of the authors *was* distribution. Their invitation to do so overrides any conflicting statements in boilerplate (in this case, the GPL). Even terms in that boilerplate saying they couldn't
    • GNU/Ubuntu?

    • Re:RMS's choice (Score:5, Informative)

      by stm2 ( 141831 ) <sbassi@genes d i g i t a l e s .com> on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:48PM (#11499886) Homepage Journal
      NO.
      RMS recommended distro is Ututo-e, from ARGENTINA!. Look at this article [vivalinux.com.ar] (in Spanish, sorry). You could even find Ututo-e in FSF FTP server [gnu.org]. The e in Ututo stands for Desktop (in Spanish).
      • I've tried it. It's based on Gentoo, and it's really rough, as well as imperfectly bi-lingual (with English as its second language). Try at your own risk.
    • Perhaps you are thinking of UTOTO [ututo.org] which RMS mentioned in this interview [kerneltrap.org].

  • Damn! I just upgraded! (Score:4, Funny)

    by flamechocobo ( 792168 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:31PM (#11499766)
    Now I have to get a 65 bit chip. Fuck you AMD, you stupid money mongers.

  • AMD 65? (Score:4, Funny)

    by adam31 ( 817930 ) <adam31 AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:32PM (#11499770)
    The AMD VIV? Now I see what intel's thinking with the VIIV.

    Or maybe it's supposed to be the AMD VI0V, and Intel decided to make it one more... you know, so people would be "Hey look, this one goes to II"

  • A contender for Ubuntu (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bogaboga ( 793279 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:32PM (#11499773)
    That would be Viidalinux http://desktop.vidalinux.com/ [vidalinux.com]. It's packaging system (Portage)is wonderful, and I have also seen a review claiming that it's Gentoo done right! This is not meant to mean that Gentoo has any problem. I tend to agree with that claim after taking a test drive of the two.
    • Gentoo with a friendly UI? That is ... wrong, obscene somehow. Like LFS with an XFCE-4.2 style graphical installer. A major selling point of Gentoo is that it breaks you, kicks you, and forces you to understand how a Linux distro is built - like a marine bootcamp for the OS-impaired.

      I suppose that without the install process to filter out the weak, we will soon be having even more ricers filling the Gentoo forums...
      • Gentoo with a friendly UI? That is ... wrong, obscene somehow. Like LFS with an XFCE-4.2 style graphical installer. A major selling point of Gentoo is that it breaks you, kicks you, and forces you to understand how a Linux distro is built - like a marine bootcamp for the OS-impaired.

        Not to mention Gentoo being a lesson in patience! I got tired of waiting for stuff to complile every time I wanted some misc. utility or application or game (not to mention openoffice!) I'm pretty sure the 10% more total CPU

    • I have been using it for about two weeks now and it really is off to a great start. It still needs some improvements, but my experience with Ubuntu is that it is not as solid under pressure as Vida/Gentoo.

  • Linux Website Points To AMD65 (Score:3, Funny)

    by ocip ( 200888 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:38PM (#11499814) Homepage
    Slashdot has a scoop on the new AMD65. According to this article at slashdot, the website has not-so-hidden clues that suggest the coming of the AMD65 very soon.

  • Ubuntu Got Me Fired! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:39PM (#11499820)
    Recently I was asked for my expert opinion (IT admin for 5 years) on the architecture for our new groupware solution for inter-office communications. My boss told me the current plan was Windows Server with Sharepoint and SQL Server.
    Well, normally I would just go along with it and quietly get my paycheck, but this time I had been inspired by recent Slashdot postings about the power of open source. I had done some studying up on my own, too.

    So when my boss put the question to me, I responded with "That could work, but I'm thinking Ubuntu Warty Warthog or Debian Woody, with Derby 0.9 database and of course X-Bitch client to keep in touch".

    Well, now I'm unemployed just like you all and I'm looking for a job. All I know is, nobody ever got fired for buying Dell and Microsoft. Damn slashbots... a curse on you!

  • The future is almost here! (Score:4, Informative)

    by Chalex ( 71702 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:40PM (#11499824) Homepage
    Everyone's always saying how Linux will take over the desktop soon. Well, we're almost there. I've been following Ubuntu closely since recently. I think it really has a chance to provide a real, workable, usable alternative to OS X and WinXP. Even the Warty release is very impressive, and Hoary promises to be amazing!

    What makes me think so? Remember that guy that has so much money that he paid the Russians to take him to space? Well, he's decided he wants to make a good Linux distro. He started Canonical, the guys behind Ubuntu.

    Here's a very interesting radio interview with the man himself, Mark Shuttleworth, where he talks about the need for a "technically superior" distribution.
    http://www.lugradio.org/guide.php#e pisode19

    It's also funny when he mentions that he's "disgustingly rich".
    • Right now, Ubuntu is as close as it gets to "Linux done right". I just wish it used KDE. :P

      Still, with the new release, I might just be tempted enough to get used to GNOME. Right now, GNOME does seem to be a bit more polished than KDE.
    • Yes, I'm happy to see those "next generation" distros aimed not to offer everything to the user on CD's and major customizability in the installer, to confuse newbies with hundreds of packages. I find these to be distros like Suse or Mandrake and think they to a large group of newbies are going in entirely the wrong direction. They simply just keep growing. To the point it's not even longer about bloat, but about confusion of package redundancy as well.

      These new ones often aim for a 1 CD size, and there's

  • *hog (Score:3, Funny)

    by Kell Bengal ( 711123 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:42PM (#11499846)
    I'm just waiting for releases 'roady roadhog', 'grimey groundhog', and "boundy hog-tied-hog".

  • BitTorrent Links (Score:5, Informative)

    by Roguelazer ( 606927 ) <Roguelazer AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday January 27, 2005 @10:45PM (#11499858) Homepage Journal

    Considering that I am currently getting 1.5KB/s, I think you should -all- start downloading. :)

    • Hurrah! I finally broke the 80KB/s barrier! I'd like to thank all the mods, editors, and readers. And the Academy of Monkeys with Typewriters who write the articles, of course.
    • Considering that I am currently getting 1.5KB/s, I think you should -all- start downloading. :)

      And when you're done, leave your trackers running. And start downloading the PowerPC version too -- currently there is only one peer, from which I'm getting only ~15KB/s from, with an estimated 9.5 hours to go :P.

      Yaz.

  • I've seen how these open source version numbers grow. If the last big release was 4.10, and this is an amazing, monumental, complete redesign, this is probably 4.12, right?
  • Gnoppix is now based on Ubuntu. How is the Ubuntu live cd different from Gnoppix?
  • Slashdot the torrents and help me get my .iso faster

    i386 [ubuntu.com]

    AMD64

    PowerPC

  • Mmmmm Ubuntu... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by misleb ( 129952 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @11:07PM (#11499986)
    Just like Debian... without all the pesky precompiled applications. I tried Ubuntu once. I found that in order to get anything useful, I had to pull packages from Debian APT sources. After a while it just seemed like I would be better off running Debian. Half of my packages were from there anyway. And here I am. Debian -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu -> Debian. Yeah, so I am not bleeding edge. Sue me!

    -matthew

    • Re:Mmmmm Ubuntu... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by dmaxwell ( 43234 )
      If the powerpc livecd is any good, I basically intend to do an Ubuntu -> Debian -> seriously rearrange the userland. I've been wanting a powerpc livecd that will let do the things x86 livecds have been helping me do for years now. I've been remastering my own Knoppix cds for awhile. I'm hoping it won't be too hard to base a powerpc livecd development system off of this.
    • It's odd you say that. I tried Ubuntu and find that almost all of the packages I find useful are already there. Anything off the beaten path, however, and you're right. Still, even some of those (like FreeNX [ubuntuforums.org]) have been brought over to some of the extra warty repositories.

    • Re:Mmmmm Ubuntu... (Score:5, Informative)

      by dalutong ( 260603 ) <djtansey AT gmail DOT com> on Friday January 28, 2005 @01:34AM (#11500714)
      Um... you probably didn't allow the multiverse and universe repositories. i didn't need to get ANYTHING from debian. just got transcode type things (which aren't in debian either.)

      it works beautifully. i love my machine. installed it the same day warty came out. haven't changed yet.

  • Site short on details (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sploo22 ( 748838 ) <dwahler.gmail@com> on Thursday January 27, 2005 @11:12PM (#11500006)
    The Ubuntu site seems to be missing a bunch of important details about the distro. Specifically, is there any way to see a list of their package repositories without actually installing Ubuntu?
    • You can browse the packages here. [djpig.de]

  • Not for everyone (Score:5, Informative)

    by Elote ( 649512 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @11:12PM (#11500007)
    For the more advanced user thinking about trying it out...don't. I checked out array-3 of hoary a couple of days ago and quickly decided it wasn't for me.

    My mini review:
    The install is a two-phase process using text-based menus and is not difficult, however I remember thinking that the menus were layed out rather awkwardly and could have been streamlined. The second part of the install which actually performs application package installs failed mysteriously for me and gave me no option to restart it when I reran base-setup(yes, this is a pre-release cd). apt-getting the required packages manually worked fine.

    Once installed, you are presented with a very clean and polished Gnome desktop with the standard amenities including Firefox 1.0, however there was little difference between it and other Gnome installations aside from a more pleasing tan theme consistently applied to everything.

    After a few hours my athlon-xp 1600+ with 1GB ram slowed to a crawl. There were a few hundred megabytes of free memory and cpu usage was always well uner 5%, however even typing at the console was unbearably slow and loading the desktop took a couple of minutes. Never did figure that one out and killing allmost all running processes didn't help a bit. Doubt this was a kernel driver bug too, since I've run other late 2.6 based distros on this machine with no problems. This didn't occur again however...but I didn't have it installed many hours after that.

    Boot times were atrocious, maybe worse than fedora due to innumerable services being started by default...many of them which I did not recognize. I seriously doubt postfix is a necessary service for the desktop audience they're targeting.

    In summary, the desktop is great for new users, however the rest of the system leaves a lot to be desired. I would advise people to wait a while before adopting ubuntu so that they can have time to work out their issues. For now Mandrake, Suse, and the like perform better as desktop distros, and Gentoo/Slack/vanilla debian work great for the more experienced.

    The only huge win over other distros that I see at this point is ubuntu's web community, which is comparable to what you would find in the gentoo forums for helpfulness.

    • Re:Not for everyone (Score:3, Interesting)

      by misleb ( 129952 )
      I agree. Ubuntu doesn't have many applications outside of the standard gnome applications. I found myself pulling many packages from the Debian respositories. Soon enough I had a full blown hybrid on my hands. So I scrapped it and went back to full Debian sarge.

      -matthew

    • Re:Not for everyone (Score:5, Informative)

      by Pierre ( 6251 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @12:44AM (#11500495)
      wow i've had quite a different experience.

      ubuntu has replaced core as my primary os. it's been rock solid without any ofthe issues you mentioned.

      added universe and multiverse to sources and i feel like i'm back on a debian box with all the software choices. synaptic on ubuntu is a real treat.

      installed from warty - upgraded to hoary without incident.

      guess ubuntu didn't like your box very much.

      i found most of ubuntu to be pretty stock gnome 2.8 (blecky yuck yuck) 'cept for the human theme but as usual easy to tweak to one's liking.

    • Would disagree (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Synn ( 6288 )
      I'd consider myself an "advanced" user, been using Linux since 1993 or so and am a full time Linux admin. Ubuntu is a very nice distribution because it just works and is very stable. It takes the best aspects of Debian and creates a stable up-to-date desktop distribution based on GNOME.

      Gentoo, FC3, and Debian unstable are great but you also spend a lot of your time updating and tweaking the operating system. And even advanced users get tired of constantly managing their OS at some point :)

      As for speed, Ub

  • Comment removed (Score:4, Funny)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @11:14PM (#11500024)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • I was putting ubuntu on my sisters machine and soon discovered that there is no easy way to put xine or mplayer on ubuntu. I can't believe it is so bad especially because on my debian box it is trivial.
    • if you're running hoary add multiverse to your sources.list

      then you're just an apt-get away from having mplayer

  • Ubuntu made me love linux (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MightyPez ( 734706 ) on Thursday January 27, 2005 @11:53PM (#11500238)
    Just a little preface. I am a Windows user. I probably always will be a Windows user. I like using it and am proficient in it's workings.

    For years I've tried several distrobutions. Redhat (starting with 5), Fedora, Mandrake, Debian, Suse, and I even managed a stage 1 Gentoo install once (with limited results). The problem is I would be able to "use" the systems I set these up on, but never as well as my Windows setups. I just had trouble learning how to walk again.

    Four days ago, I started installing Ubuntu on a recommendation from someone. I had enough spare parts to whip up a competent PC (Athlon XP 2500+, 512mb RAM, 18gb 10,000 rpm scsi drive, Geforce 2 GTS).

    I installed Ubuntu, and was absolutely shocked. This was a distro that a dumb lifelong Windows user could run, and have it do everything I wanted. Granted, any other distro could do the same, but this one made it simple for someone like me. I've had no trouble keeping my software installed an up to date, thanks to the use of apt-get and not having to worry about dependencies (always a big roadblock for me). I've been able to get all my hardware working (even my digital camera, amazing for me), play some of my Windows only games with Cedega, and even get proper video playback with my media player.

    Being that this is Slashdot, many of the linux aficionados may say "So? all that is pretty trivial." The thing is, it was always a struggle for someone like me. Ubuntu has made me love linux, and even make it contend for my attention away from Windows.

    And what seems like a little pinch of fate, my main Athlon 64 box just died (lousy MSI motherboard issues). Now I am "forced" to use my linux box as a primary computer. And now I'm even considering putting Ubuntu on my laptop!

  • Desktop Linux (Score:2, Informative)

    by jlo ( 587297 )
    After trying all the major distros, I've become a real fan of Ubuntu. It's the first distro that I think could have a real potential to become THE desktop Linux. It's Debian from the inside and something different from the outside. When installing Linux to my friends, I no longer have to pound Debian to become a decent desktop OS. Ubuntu is that out of the box. Still Ubuntu retains the configurability of Debian.

    Yet Ubuntu needs some tweaking too. E.g. I hate spatial Nautilus, so I always change it to the
  • ...my Warty CDs just arrived in the mail from Switzerland, and they come out with a new release already! But I'm glad the LiveCD is available for amd64. The Warthy 4.10 CD sets (I ordered all 3 -- ppc, x86, amd64) only included an x86 LiveCD. This is great news for AMD64 users--particularly laptop owners. You can try out Ubuntu today.

  • Make it boot from a NTFS drive (possible) (Score:4, Interesting)

    by siveys ( 813418 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @01:12AM (#11500620)
    In the Knoppix community there has been some effort to make Knoppix boot using WINGRUB initiated from the XP bootloader.

    Inserting one line in your boot.ini can make the XP bootloader execute WINGRUB from your factory preinstalled NTFS partition and with WINGRUB you can load a Linux kernel and a miniroot package from the same NTFS partition.

    So far this all works with a recent stock Knoppix (which I suppose Ubuntu live CD is also based on) and stock WINGRUB (grub4dos.sf.net) but the problem is that the stock miniroot does not feature the read-only NTFS-kernel module so you can not load Knoppix direcly from an .iso file residing on your NTFS partition.

    Tested patches to miniroot DO exist for this to work and they are acquirable from knoppix.net forums, but they have not yet been added to the official Knoppix distribution.

    It should be fairly easy to incorporate these changes to a custom live CD like the one of Ubuntu's and this would make it possible to offer a Windows installer which setups WINGRUB, Linux kernel and the modified miniroot, searches (or just asks) for the location of your downloaded Ubuntu Live CD and after that just lets the user choose to boot into a HD based Live CD residing on a .iso-file.

    For some people who just want to test a live CD the burning process might be too much of a step to take. This approach would be a no-cost, no-partitioning, no-bootrecord-touching way for these people to hop into the wonderful world of Linux live CD's :)

  • Too bad it's based on cloop (Score:5, Funny)

    by ploppy ( 468469 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @03:10AM (#11501039)
    According to the Ubuntu liveCD wiki the liveCD still uses the cloop (compressed loopback) system to compress the filesystem on the CDROM. This is a pity because most new liveCDs are now using SquashFS which is faster and compresses better.

    This is disapointing for me because I both use Ubuntu and I'm the author of Squashfs :-)

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