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Andrew Tridgell Joins OSDL 112

Posted by CmdrTaco from the good-for-everyone dept.
rumba writes "OSDL announced today that Andrew Tridgell, Samba developer, joins OSDL as the lab's second appointed Fellow. Tridgell will continue to lead global development work for the Samba project."
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Andrew Tridgell Joins OSDL

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  • Mirror (Score:5, Informative)

    by jonno317 ( 807642 ) on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:18PM (#11387833)
    Since it appears the site is already bogged down.. Link [mirrordot.org]

  • Does this mean.. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by aurb ( 674003 )
    ..that Samba will be integrated into the kernel?
    • well, there is smb/cifs stuff in the kernel, but the server will not ever be in the kernel. the samba server belongs in userspace.

    • Re:Does this mean.. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by armyofone ( 594988 ) <armeeofone@hotmail.com> on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:24PM (#11387888)
      Let's hope not. Best to keep the kernel small and let the specialized tools, (like Samba), do their job as modules or separate applications for those who need it. Those who don't use it won't appreciate the kernel bloat.
      • Best to keep the kernel small and let the specialized tools, (like Samba), do their job as modules or separate applications for those who need it.

        Not to be pedantic or anything, but modules are part of the kernel. And by the way, Samba client is kernel-based, because it's a filesystem. The Samba server runs as a user space daemon, as it should.

      • Re:Does this mean.. (Score:3, Insightful)

        by m50d ( 797211 )
        Why can't they just uncheck the option? Those who care about kernel bloat are surely compiling custom kernels anyway
        • Why can't they just uncheck the option? Those who care about kernel bloat are surely compiling custom kernels anyway

          This isn't about bloat. If a kernel module crashes, the whole system crashes and you have to reboot (possibly losing data or log information). If a normal process crashes, you just restart the service. No other process will suffer.
    • no, it means simply that Andrew Tridgell can now work on samba full time without having the annoyance to find something to eat :)
      • They hooked him up to an IV to feed him?
      • Well, no wonder he has trouble finding food.. They took the list of pizza places in Canberra off of the Samba documention page. Furthemore, the Samba FAQ no longer seems to list ways of sending pizza to the Samba developers.

        See here [rm.cnr.it] for an old copy.
        • His house sports quite a whizz-bang coffee-maker. And a truly excellent wooden frog.

          On a serious note, like Linus, I don't think he'll ever be short of a job or a dime. He could have anything delivered that takes his fancy. However, he also likes to exercise - which is great from our PoV since it keeps him alive and healthy for longer - and to cook.

          However, the ways-to-send-pizza will be missed. If it could be automated, they could put it back as a "Send Pizza" button, which queues up pizzas across the wo
    • No, although hopefully this will foster communication between the two projects. There are a number of things which could use an efficient in-kernel implementation, such as case-insensitive name lookup (it's generally agreed that case-insensitive filesystems are broken, but Samba needs to provide this nonetheless and Wine would like it as well). There was eventually a productive discussion, and Linus (IIRC) came up with a clever idea once it was clear that this was necessary (and once the desired behavior fo
  • I clicked on the OSDL link as soon as the item appeared on Slashdot (1 comment submitted) and the page gives out Zope error messages!

    Wow!

  • Slashdotted (Score:5, Funny)

    by northcat ( 827059 ) on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:22PM (#11387868) Journal
    Site slashdotted. Here is the complete article:

    Site Error

    An error was encountered while publishing this resource.

    ZODB.POSException.ReadConflictError

    Sorry, a site error occurred.

    • Re:Slashdotted (Score:2, Informative)

      by msh104 ( 620136 )
      here's the already slashdotted article! (with human readable formatting)

      Tridgell to focus on leading development work for Samba project that provides popular drop in Linux replacement for Windows file and print servers

      BEAVERTON, Ore. - January 17, 2005 - The Open Source Development Labs (OSDL), a global consortium dedicated to accelerating the adoption of Linux® in the enterprise, today named Samba creator Andrew Tridgell, PhD, as the Lab's second appointed Fellow. Tridgell joins Linux creator Linus

  • Related Samba.org news article (Score:3, Informative)

    by ctrlsoft ( 65447 ) <jelmer@samba.org> on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:23PM (#11387872) Homepage
    http://us1.samba.org/samba/news/announcements/#tri dge_osdl

  • There's gonna be trouble this year... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mslinux ( 570958 ) on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:26PM (#11387905)
    First, Big Blue opens up 500 patents to OSS developers and OSS companies. Then we hear that Tridgell (the guy who makes Linux interoperate with Windows computers) gets a job at OSDL... is it just me or is something BIG about to go down?

    I smell trouble and it smells like Sun and MS ;)
    • And IBM sold off its PC division, totally changing the dynamics of their relationship with Microsoft...
    • I think the odor is fried MS manager, as he looks at the juggernaut bearing down on him (;-))

      --dave

    • First, Big Blue opens up 500 patents to OSS developers and OSS companies. Then we hear that Tridgell (the guy who makes Linux interoperate with Windows computers) gets a job at OSDL... is it just me or is something BIG about to go down?

      IBM opens up a few of their patents ( they have thousands, don't they? ) and Tridgell gets, deservely, funding to continue his work.

      How on earth does that spell trouble???

      I smell trouble and it smells like Sun and MS ;)

      Dude, if Sun wanted to give trouble all they have t

      • IBM opens up a few of their patents ( they have thousands, don't they? ) and Tridgell gets, deservely, funding to continue his work.

        Tridgell gets an academic-like job where he's called a 'fellow' while he does business programming that directly competes with companies such as MS and directly benefits IBM, HP, etc. One of the companies that pay for his 'research' is IBM. They (IBM) aren't a charity. And they don't do things because they have a big heart.
    • I smell trouble and it smells like Sun and MS ;)

      What does this even mean? Sun is on the same overal road as IBM with OpenSolaris, OpenOffice.org, JDS, etc. Don't you just mean Microsoft? They're still holding out pretty fiercely as everyone else is moving forward.

  • For the mere mortal geeks (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Rupy ( 782781 ) on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:27PM (#11387911)
    OSDL = Open Source Development Labs
    See Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] for more info

    • Re:For the mere mortal geeks (Score:5, Funny)

      by armyofone ( 594988 ) <armeeofone@hotmail.com> on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:33PM (#11387974)
      Yeah. I still think they should consider changing it to OSJLA - The Open Source Justice League of America.

      But I'm not convinced that Linus, Andrew and the rest of the OSDL folks running around in tights and capes would be a good thing...

      • Never mind the capes. The whole notion of OS as a holy crusade is counterproductive. Fortunately Tridgell and Thorvalds have always seen OS as alternative development model, not as a great social reform [gnu.org].
      • Capes are definitely a bad idea. Haven't you seen The Incredibles?
        • From IMDB [imdb.com]:
          Edna 'E' Mode: It will be bold! Dramatic!
          Bob Parr: Yeah!
          Edna: Heroic!
          Bob: Yeah. Something classic - like Dynaguy. Oh, he had a great look - the cape and the boots...
          Edna: No capes! [Throws a wadded ball of paper at Bob's head]
          Bob: Isn't that my decision?
          Edna: Do you remember Thunderhead? Tall, storm powers? Nice man, good with kids.
          Bob: Listen 'E'...
          Edna: November 15th of '58! All was well, another day saved... when his cape snagged on a missile!
          Bob: Thunderhead was not the brightest bul

  • Excuse me, Simon... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ashitaka ( 27544 ) on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:31PM (#11387951) Homepage
    When you add a great new feature such as supporting Windows machine accounts on Samba make sure your user community is aware that it will completely screw up rights assignments on your servers as the new machine accounts get assigned to old user UIDs by winbind.

    I just spent a harried morning resetting all files back to their correct owners and groups.
    • What are you talking about?

      You can assign whatever UIDs you want to user or machine accounts. If it comes to it, you can edit them directly in the backend.
    • I think you'll want to set the new winbindd account uids to a uid range that isn't already in use (;-))

      --dave

      • Re:Excuse me, Simon... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by ashitaka ( 27544 ) on Monday January 17, 2005 @03:06PM (#11388302) Homepage
        You know how Winbind works with Samba right?

        You set a UID and GID range in smb.conf like so:

        winbind uid = 10000-20000
        winbind gid = 10000-20000

        So your user billg gets assigned UID 10004 for example.

        Now this is all running fine until you run up2date samba or do a manual upgrade and you get the new version that suppports machine accounts. All of a sudden 10004 is now the UID for MYDELLPC$ and Bill has lost access to his files.

        Lovely little gotcha.
    • Rather than complaining about the new software features, perhaps you should've done your job as 'systems admistrator' and tested the new version before you put it in to production.

  • While I'm glad to see he's back on his feet... (Score:3, Funny)

    by The Ultimate Fartkno ( 756456 ) on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:41PM (#11388048)
    ...I'm still hoping he'll get back together with George Michael at some point for a reunion tour.

    Wait. Andrew *who*?

    Oh, never mind...

  • What is OSDL (Score:5, Funny)

    by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:44PM (#11388082) Journal
    I know what it's purpose is, who founded it, etc.

    I'm wondering if it's an actual physical place. A place where Linus and Andrew are actually at. Or do they work at home from their underwear, and OSDL just sends them checks?

    I just like imagining a giant room full of cubicles, with only two occupied, with little nametags saying "Linus" and "Andrew".

    And Lumbergh coming buy every 45 minutes to say "Hmmmmmm.... You know what? I'm going to need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday. Ok. Great. And we're putting cover sheets on all the kernel patches, ok? Great."
    • The OSDL is an actual place; the lab itself is in Beaverton, OR (a suburb of Portland). There is a map of the layout of different areas in the OSDL as well. Somewhere anyway... i think i ran across it on their site.
    • I read an interview in some kind of industry trade rag that Torvalds works from his home. He was named #1 IT person of the year or something like that and they came out to his home and gave him an interview. One of the reasons he joined ODSL was so he could spend more time with his family.
    • Yup, I've been to OSDL. It's real. And it's got more than two cubicles (well, more than three now that "the other Andrew" has joined.) OSDL does more than house those three and throw them a food pellet once in a while -- they've got folks to support the hardware they have there and the software initiatives that they are spearheading, like carrier-grade Linux.

      Linus and Andrew (and I suspect, now, "the other Andrew") tend not to be at the office but instead work remotely, coming into the office for meetin

  • I would be very curious to know how the "slashdotting" phenomenon maps over time. As i'm not an intarweb elder, i don't know if sites would regularly get slashdotted in the yesteryears. If any veterans are reading, has this increased or decreased over the years?

    Another thing is: assuming that the slashdotting is a prime moving internet force, why doesn't slashdot itself get recursively slashdotted, get recursively slashdotted, get recur.. never mind. I mean, what kind of hardware is it running on?

    Sorry fo
    • Slashdot has hardware to support its reader base. Other sites have much smaller requirements. When Slashdot links to them, they get 10x or more times their regular traffic. If they chose to spend what Slashdot does on hardware, presumably they could support the load. But it's not worth it for rare cases of extreme short-term interest. On a large site, the Slashdot effect may show up only as a small jump (percentage-wise) in hits.
      • Thanks. My comment on recursive slashdotting was a half-joke though :-) Was just fantasizing if a phenomenon like slashdotting could get into an infinite loop or something.

        I really meant to ask about the kind of hardware setup that slashdot uses.
    • The best person to ask about this would probably be CmdrTaco himself (via e-mail). The FAQ entry [slashdot.org] is outdated, as I thought they moved to servers on the west coast at some point -- certainly, those listed in the FAQ seem quite underpowered for the traffic and features Slashdot's handling now.

      I know that Slashdot was bringing down websites regularly when I first made my account, if that helps (found this [usgs.gov] amusing, and it dates from around 1999). But it'd be interesting to see a monthly tally of hits over t

    • My personal web site [komar.org] has been Slashdotted 5 times since 2002 ... so if you are interested at seeing some of that data (and from other sites), take a look at my Slashdot Analysis Page [komar.org] which might help answer your question about how the Slashdot Effect has varied over time, but it's hard to compare data.

      In a nutshell, user's computers/internet connections are getting faster, and images/videos are getting larger and more prelevent ... but then again, servers are getting faster with better connections ... so

  • This guy rocks. Not just for samba but rsync, and lots of tivo stuff too. Unless I'm confusing him with someone else

  • Alexandre Julliard said to join OSDL as fellow (Score:5, Funny)

    by Ingolfke ( 515826 ) on Monday January 17, 2005 @02:59PM (#11388229) Journal
    Alexandre Julliard, of Wine fame, is rumored to be scheduled to join OSDL as a fellow in February. At that time OSDL, along with it's three fellows, Linus Torvalds, Andrew Tridgell, and Alexandre Julliard will announce a radically new direction for Linux, Samba, and Wine... to create Longhorn before Microsoft does.
    • to create Longhorn before Microsoft does

      Chuckle... The thought positively boggles the mind. Particularly since longhorn seems to be turning into a Duke Nukem Forever or Half Life 2 all by itself. With the latest ship date still quite some time in the future, and prospects for even more delays looking pretty good, who actually knows?

      However if the 3 of them can work together, I cannot see anything but public good come of it. I don't know a lot about Alexandre Julliard, but from the few messages I've

    • Not a bad idea! (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Is the name "Longhorn" trademarked by MS? If not, someone should come out with a version of Linux called "Longhorn Linux" and market it to all the usual Windows web sites. Note to Redhat/Suse, THIS is how you compete with Microsoft! It's called "barely ethical, definitely underhanded market manipulation" and you guys have to get good at it if you want to survive.
    • Perhaps not too off base, as Alexadre and Linus seem to be in good communication. If you look at the WINE newsletter for the last week in December [winehq.org], not only is Linus shown as posting to their mailing lists, Linus is shown as having the greatest number of posts (18).
  • Nice to see OSDL acknowledging Andrew's valuable contributions in this manner. On the SMB/CIFS front, I wonder how relevant it will be in a year or 3. With sharepoint becomming all the more popular, will people be using traditional file servers in a couple of years?
  • I though that he was working for IBM like less than two years ago. Anyone know what are his achievements with the Big Blue?
  • At least that what was written on the refridgerator in the CS common room at uni (ANU).

    Tridge was held in high regard by all the students. Well grounded academically and socially.

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