Torvalds Dubbed Most Influential Executive of 2004 262
quamaretto writes "CRN has named Linus Torvalds the most influential executive of 2004, in the magazine's feature list of the top 25 executives of the year. For perspective, he is followed by Sam Palmisano of IBM and Steve Balmer of Microsoft. The coverage of Torvalds is 5 pages, including pictures, a written article, and a lot of interview material. Topics are business centric, including SCO, OSDL, and Torvald's personality in development and management."
in what way is he (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:in what way is he (Score:5, Informative)
1. A person or group having administrative or managerial authority in an organization.
organisation != company.
Sure, OK. Whatever... (Score:5, Informative)
But when most people think about what an "executive" is, running a company, or being high up in the managerial food chain in terms of running a company, that is what most people think of.
Without question, Mr. Torvalds is some kind of executive, but his duties differ by miles from what most executive like Ballmer / Gates, and all the rest of 'em do.
Isn't whipping out a dictionary and quoting verbatim a little antagonistic?
Re:Sure, OK. Whatever... (Score:5, Funny)
No.
Re:Sure, OK. Whatever... (Score:4, Funny)
Most people think.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Sure, OK. Whatever... (Score:2)
http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/18/ballmer
I'd say that linus is the JFK of "executives" in comparison.
h.
Re:Sure, OK. Whatever... (Score:2)
Really? When's the video game coming out? </excited-gamer>
Re:Sure, OK. Whatever... (Score:5, Insightful)
Within this frame of reference, a company is the residual of the past software development paradigm and the organization is a step in a new software development paradigm.
That Torvalds duties differ by miles from that of Ballmer and Gates is a sign of genius - Linus can manage an open source development organization without the traditional management hierarchy that is managed by Ballmer/Gates and all the rest of 'em.
Re:Sure, OK. Whatever... (Score:3, Interesting)
Full-blown nanotech will be here in less than 20 years. It is not going to creep up on you: it'll be here all of a sudden. Once one assembler is created, it'll be less than a year that an organization takes it upon themselves to provide a "replicator" to every human on the planet. (I don't particularly like Star Trek myself, but everyone knows what a "replicator" is; it's become like kleenex or xerox.)
There goes t
Re:Sure, OK. Whatever... (Score:2)
Re:in what way is he (Score:2)
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Re:in what way is he (Score:2)
He is also a Benevolent Dictator for Life. Dictators are definitely executives.
Re:in what way is he (Score:2)
There he is a fellow. A tad different from an executive.
"He is also a Benevolent Dictator for Life. "
Thats Guido.
Re:in what way is he (Score:2, Informative)
Yes, he is a fellow. But his job is to lead the development of Linux, and will help to set the direction and initiatives of the OSDL. As such, he is an executive of sorts.
Guido is a BDFL, but so is Linus.
BDFL [wikipedia.org]
Re:in what way is he (Score:3, Informative)
He's neither a chief executive nor a chairman. He holds no executive title. And just last year, he accepted his first paying gig in the Linux industry that he founded. He belongs on the list due to his influence, but due to the nature of his creation he lacks the executive title.
Re:in what way is he (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:in what way is he (Score:5, Insightful)
It's high time that influence in the tech world is gained not by rhetoric and marketing, but by being a reasonable, credible, respectable person with a boatload of techincal talent.
Put another way, "influence" doesn't just comprise the things a person actually does, but includes all the indirect effects of a person's actions. He *started* the Linux kernel. Could someone else have done it? Probably. But he's the one that actually went and did it, and he's maintained a vision for it and nominal control over it during the past 13-odd years.
Did he create the Free Software movement? No. But if he hadn't created Linux, I see OSS more of a fringe thing, composed mainly of fanatical followers of RMS. What good are Free programs if you don't have a Free OS to run them on? (Note that RMS himself has very little influence outside the OSS world, and I'd argue that his influence *inside* the OSS world isn't all that much either.)
Re:in what way is he (Score:3)
The concept of "LICENSING" was introduced by Gates as a way of making money. Well, "OPEN SOURCE" is the new road map for making money in the new millenium.
Re:in what way is he (Score:3, Informative)
What influence? you ask? (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong, I have respect for what he's done and that he's been able to do it, its far more then I can ever see myself being able to do and he deserves every praise for that, but most influential? That's really streching it.
Re:in what way is he (Score:4, Insightful)
Good to hear, but not surprising. (Score:5, Insightful)
Given Linux's penetration of business-level computing, and its influential role on software development as a whole, this is not really as surprising to hear as some might think. Still, it is excellent to see someone recognize this.
Thats what I thought... (Score:2)
gotta love it!
heh (Score:5, Interesting)
Funny
Re:heh (Score:3, Interesting)
(read the book "Have Fun" for more info)
Re:heh (Score:5, Informative)
Good book, go read it.
Re:heh (Score:4, Informative)
It was VA Linux, the parent of Slashdot, of course.
Linus has (or had) millions (Score:2)
OT: Your sig (Score:3, Funny)
I have 8. Does octal count? I also have two thumbs for when I need to use straight binary.
Re:OT: Your sig (Score:2)
I disagree. A real programmer has 1,010 fingers.
Re:heh (Score:2, Insightful)
Repeat after me (Score:2)
Re:Repeat after me (Score:4, Funny)
but I sure sleep better when I can afford to pay all my bills.
#exec Linus\ Torvalds (Score:5, Funny)
No Jobs? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No Jobs? (Score:2)
Re:No Jobs? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No Jobs? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:No Jobs? (Score:2)
Re:Apple Computers are for business (Score:3, Insightful)
Depends whether you're costing the time necessary to fix silly hardware incompatibilities (that don't occur if you buy 100% Apple gear) or spyware/virus issues. This, of course, will be proportional to the skill of the user or their friends or children. ;-)
Right now, for any non-technical user who just wants a computing appliance, doesn't have technical skills or help available, a
Love the interview (Score:5, Funny)
Linus: Oh I don't know. Doesn't really matter. I just like to code.
Copy-paste as needed.
On the other hand (Score:5, Funny)
This is almost as good as saying Darl is on crack. Linus, as the accomplished veteran [google.com] of alt.fan.warlords, apparently still knows phony hubris when he sees it.
[Linus toadie mode: off]Re:Love the interview (Score:2)
"I just like to code."
I'm surprised he didn't mention anything about the plans for world domination. Did that get put on the back burner?
Re:Love the interview (Score:2)
Having three kids soaks up a lot of your time. World domination will probably have to wait until they graduate college.
Re:Love the interview (Score:2, Funny)
Linus: "Oh I don't know. Doesn't really matter. I just like to code."
Hmm... he's got a kid so something doesn't add up there =P
Re:Love the interview (Score:2)
Influencial? (Score:4, Insightful)
Applications do that, not the kernel. Firefox has an influence. Sure Firefox is Open Source, but Linux has nothing to do with that. Features in desktop environments such as KDE and Gnome can be influencial, an Operating System as a whole can be influencial - but Linux - who deals only with the Kernel. I just don't see it.
Maybe I'm missing something, but how is Linus Torvalds influencing the industry? What executive decisions has he made that made that changed everything?
Re:Influencial? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Influencial? (Score:5, Insightful)
Linux is the kernel driving the most common Unix implementations right now. The Linux kernel project in high use on inexpensive hardware is what has largely fueled the Unix culture for the last 5-8 years, and has caused Microsoft (Via it's campaign of FUD) and Apple (By adoption of Unix as an underlying OS, disputable but possible), as well as Unix vendors, to sweat and improve to compete with a technology that is highly useful and completely free. And surely there are other important people behind this movement; but the most prominent one is Linus.
Re:Influencial? (Score:2)
You're missing the fact that he is a person and every other "influence" in your comment, Firefox, KDE, Gnome, are entities.
And such articles writers don't understand that the community driving a project is more important than its leader(s), and as such tries to find the person that embodies all of them. And fail of course.
And this is true to the rest of the persons they cite.
What is really important tho' is that Mr Torvalds has shown every time he could that he perfectly knew tha
Re:Influencial? (Score:5, Interesting)
Linux is essential to IBM's current marketing strategy. That means Linus has influence on IBM's marketing and marketshare. Linux is MicroSoft's top threat. That mean's Linus is influential in the competing with one of the top companies in the world.
Cities and countries are talking about switching over to Linux (and I don't mean just open-source software in general). That mean's Linus is influential with many governments.
Novell has a lot riding on Linux. That mean's Linus is influential with the future of Novell. RedHat, Apache, MySQL, KDE, Mandrake, and many other organizations and communities have their intrests tightly tied with Linux's results. That means Linus is influential with those organizations.
Groups like Debian base some of their decisions on what does and does not go into Linus's kernel tree, which means Linus is influential with everyone who is a part of those groups.
Although his influence in any one place is small, Linus has a very large influence overall.
Depends on how you define "influence" (Score:2)
Re:Influencial? (Score:2)
So whats common in all Opensource software beside being opensource? Most of it is developed and run on Linux. FreeBSD's development, a few will argue, is pushed by Linux's success, not to mention the array of software that was developed for Linux and is then compiled on BSD and friends.
Linux itself as the most popular OS in two parts, the
Re:Influencial? (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe I'm missing something, but how is Linus Torvalds influencing the industry? What executive decisions has he made that made that changed everything?
Well, for one, he's benevolent. Granted, he doesn't have money dealings, but he is incredibly good at dealing with the feelings and emotions of the people involved. He doesn't anger people (overtly), and he manages to walk away with more friends than enemies.
If more corporate executives were to do this, the whole of business ecology would be much better, we'd have more employment, less offshoring, better wages, and less hours we'd need to work.
Re:Influencial? (Score:2)
If that's not influencial, then I wonder what influencial means.
Influence by example (Score:4, Insightful)
This has influenced the industry so that 1) it is much more likely to rely on free software (Linux and other), and 2) it is much more likely comtribute to, and to release software of its own under a free software license.
Is he, really? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, he is influential. (Score:3, Interesting)
While Linus may not have control the way MS and Apple does over their software, from an external point of view Linus stands completely unchallenged. Linux is, like it or not, in most peoples' mind personified by Linus. Whatever he says or does with the kernel is considered an influential d
Awesome quote (Score:5, Insightful)
Certianly a great number of supporting applications helped, but I wonder where the OSS movement would be today with the Linux kernel.
Re:Awesome quote (Score:4, Insightful)
(To be honest, that leap of courage still scares me
even today, although I like him believe in the right of a programmer to have source (responsibly)). Don't ask how much UCSD p-system
source I once had lying around (probably more than
Softech or Pecan... (grins)).
We all thought RMS was stark staring mad. But what a beautiful madness. I hope I get struck by the same disease one day when I'm mildly less uncomfortable...
Sadly, back to the
But, seriously Linus the Executive. Now penguins might look like they wear suits, but I imagine Linus hates the idea of justifying something to a banker... (cue oblig John Cleese).
In any case the BSD movement was there and would have happened (see DDJ onwards). But possibly not
quite the same way.
I hope Linus writes a thoroughly beautiful "no I don't want an OBE" speech and posts it to them.
Given Linus's literary skills that will be a fun read...
Re:Awesome quote (Score:3, Funny)
The OSS movement would be exactly where it is now, since the Linux kernel exists.
Hmm I wonder what would be happening now if the pope was alive.
Re:Awesome quote (Score:4, Insightful)
You mean without the Linux kernel?
Um, wouldn't we be using BSD?
Re:Awesome quote (Score:3, Insightful)
We'd probably all be hurding [gnu.org] and it would be the most advanced kernel on the planet.
In free software it does not matter, does it? What gets implemented one place is free to move around.
Doesn't BSD run Gnome or KDE? (Score:2)
br The UI and its...inconsistencies is going to be one of the hardest things for any OSS projects I've seen is going to have to get over (if competing with more singularly visioned software is what you want to do).
Re:Awesome quote (Score:2)
Using the BSD kernel? Or onto another operating system under the open source banner. Don't get me wrong the Linux kernel is a great piece of work but don't fool yourself the time was right and give or take 5 years it was going to happen.
No one's work is irreplaceable. Even scientific discoveries and inventions often end up being made by more than one person at around the sa
The John Stewart of Software (Score:5, Funny)
So what do you think of the Bill Gates vibrator story?
"I don't"
So you give away this software totally for free? Yecch! I'd hate to have dinner at your house!
"I know, and you won't."
Re:the John Stewart thing goes for the furniture, (Score:2)
They forgot one! (Score:5, Funny)
</sarcasm>
Re:They forgot one! (Score:2)
Oh, I get it.... maybe you will too... (Score:5, Insightful)
Or in other words, causing the others on the list to alter their ways..... hence most influencial...
and the other side of that coin..
Do the others on the list influence Linus and what he does?
probably not or very little...
Re:Oh, I get it.... maybe you will too... (Score:2)
The Right Kind of Hero (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The Right Kind of Hero (Score:2, Insightful)
So, to paraphrase what you've wrote: the influence Linux has on dictating Microsoft's corporate strategy isn't influential enough for you?
If you affect something's behaviour, you're having an influence on it.
Re:The Right Kind of Hero (Score:2)
Re:The Right Kind of Hero (Score:5, Insightful)
In fact I would think IBM is more of a concern than linux persee.
Oh, not true, I promise you. Remember when IBM was going it alone with OS/2? It was a joke, despite the product having some very significant technical strengths. Linux is important because millions of people, tens of thousands of businesses, and scores of governments think it's important.
Add in the fact that Linux undercuts Microsoft on price, the fact that it (along with the freely implementable IETF and W3C internet and web standards) frees people from Microsoft's network effects monopoly prison, and the fact that people get to choose how their own computers work without paying Microsoft for the lesser privilege of serfdom, and you've got a social movement to seriously rival Microsoft's commercial dominance.
Don't ever kid yourself that IBM is making Linux. Linux is the leverage that IBM needs to remain relevant against the terrible power of a network effects driven monopolist like Microsoft. And it's not just IBM.. all of the PC manufacturers here and abroad benefit from Linux interrupting Microsoft's pattern of claiming all profits in the PC world to itself.
In materials that leaked out of Microsoft during the federal cases against it, Microsoft strategists explained that their greatest worry was that a Compaq or an HP might simply decide to spend an amount equivalent to the hundreds of millions of dollars that Microsoft charged them per year and put it towards the development of a free alternative commodity OS in free conjunction with the other industry players, freezing out Microsoft and taking back the industry's profits.
IBM alone couldn't do this. Compaq or Dell alone certainly couldn't do this. What was required to make that happen was a commodity operating system that would not threaten any hardware vendor in the way that OS/2 did IBM's competitors, and which everyone could trust to be equally accessible to them all.
Linus did that, because of his programming skill, because of his use of Richard Stallman's GPL, and because of his management and social skills.
Linus and his followers have overturned a many hundred billion dollar industry, and he deserves as much recognition as can be given to him for that.
Re:The Right Kind of Hero (Score:2)
Linus doesn't seem to give a flying blue fuck what Microsoft do.
Sure there are plenty of people who *are* using Linux as a holy crusade against MS but Linus is not included in that group apparently.
Cheers
Stor
Ballmer (Score:4, Insightful)
Key point is Ballmer's interest in 'innovation'. Goes in line with Microsoft's PR, sounds like there was no research on this man, just interview someone at Microsoft about its CEO.. they'll just repeat the company bottom line.
When I hear 'energy', for some reason reminds me of 'developers, developers, developers'. Makes me proud of Linus' laziness.
Finally (Score:2)
M
Executive Vice Presidentisimo
Response from Linus (Score:2)
Them's fight'n words!"
Article... (Score:3, Funny)
The coverage of Torvalds is 5 pages, including pictures, a written article, and a lot of interview material.
Is there a centrefold? :P
umm, google? (Score:2)
Number 1 Quote (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Number 1 Quote (Score:2)
The quote I posted concerns the privitization of ideas and the social aspect of sharing knowledge, a practice that is rarely observed to occur in the slovenly pig-pen that is the _industry_. This concept extends much further than the programmer community.
Memo to Ballmer (Score:3, Funny)
Good call (Score:3)
Of course he's an influential executive. Executive in being the final arbiter of the most massive community-resourced code effort the planet has ever seen. Influential in that his role cannot be ignored just because he isn't paid obscene amounts or makes cute statements aimed at brokers. It's like something out of Lao-Tze, he has become the still point in an endlessly churning industry.
My God, the entire culture should take a leaf out of his book. Ownership does nothing. Sharing is what makes things happen. It is a practical philosophy.
Sabina (Score:5, Insightful)
Bill Gates is so poor that the only thing he has is money....
Linus may not be a rich man, but what he has (the respect, love and admiration of the computer world) is of much more importance than the billions that Gates has and the trillions he may have in the future....
That should be GNU/Executive (Score:3, Funny)
Re:the obligatory... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:the obligatory... (Score:2, Funny)
You make Linus cry. ;-( (Score:2)
Interview: What irritates you most about the software industry?
Linus: Bad spellers. Definitely...
Re:the obligatory... (Score:3, Funny)
That guy is getting everywhere these days.
Re:the obligatory... (Score:2)
Interviewer: What irritates you most about the software industry?
Linus: Bad spellers. Definately.
=)
Re:the obligatory... (Score:2)
OUCH. I see you have discovered a method of inflicting pain over the internet.
Executive?? Linus == stuffed suit?? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Watch out (Score:2)
-nB
MOD PARENT UP. Re:messed up list (Score:2, Funny)
Re:messed up list (Score:3, Funny)
Cheers
Stor
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