Mandrake 10.1 Community Released 209
MohammedSameer writes "Mandrakesoft released MandrakeLinux 10.1 Community, As usual it's only available first to the club members
The new release features Kernel 2.6.8.1, Xorg-X11 6.7, KDE 3.2.3 with 3.3 as an install option,"
Does it matter? (Score:5, Insightful)
Does this actually matter? How many Madrake Users get their ISO's from Mandrake anyway? Torrents will probably have 10.1 within the day.
Re:Does it matter? (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally I don't use Mandrake (nothing against them), but there could be other benefits to being in the club.
Re:Does it matter? (Score:2)
Students, out of work LUG members, etc.. cant come up with that $100US+ for the absolute basic membership.
People would love to join mandrake club at a monthly payment rate. but they just do not offer it. (Granted, membership will surge only on release date's but it's an influx of money that they would not get otherwise.)
Re:Does it matter? (Score:2)
Re:Does it matter? (Score:2)
Which gets you nothing but information anybody familiar with Google can find.
Re:Does it matter? (Score:2)
Re:Does it matter? (Score:2)
The Mandrake "club" is the very reason I switched my g/f over to Debian despite Mandrake's easy config tools. Unless you become a "premium" member you really don't get anything more, and their number of supported packages is dismal.
Re:Does it matter? (Score:2)
Re:Does it matter? (Score:3, Interesting)
But in about a week (give/take a couple of days), ISOs (or an official
So Club Members get a "download without slashdot effect" time, with noce download speeds using dedicated
Peace.
Club membership (Score:5, Insightful)
Point being, don't try this out as a stable release. Only try it if you have time to kill and really want to see what Mandrake has done with their release this far. Otherwise, wait for the Official ISOs when they become availible to the public.
Community vs. Official (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Community vs. Official (Score:2)
> with an excellent hardware detection, and are not afraid of a few
> weird things happening now and then, then give it a try!
Wow, finally a Linux distro that can compete with Windows.
Re:Club membership (Score:2)
Re:Club membership (Score:3, Informative)
In my experience, even MDK-10.1-Beta-1 was more stable than MDK-10.0-Community
Peace
Re:Club membership (Score:2)
That good to hear, although I don't see how it could possibly have been worse. 10.0-Community, in what has to be the most spectacularly weird autoconfig bug I've ever seen in all my time with Linux, somehow managed to confuse my PC Speaker with my sound card, and proceeded to attempt to pipe all sound through it. It was the single most gawdawful noise I've ever experienced in my life.
Re:Club membership (Score:2)
The Club (Score:2)
Re:The Club (Score:2, Informative)
Re:The Club (Score:2)
Re:The Club (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes it's worth it, largely just to support Mandrakesoft though, I have used them since 7.0 when it was the only distro which recognised all my hardware. You also get to vote for various things you want packaged and access to rpm mirrors.
Re:The Club (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The Club (Score:5, Interesting)
I have been a Club member in the past, and probably will be again. Asside from the default USB drivers not supporting the Via USB 2.0 chips, easily fixable by replacing the usb-uhci with huci-ohc (or something like that), I have had no significant problems with the 10.1rc1 package.
If you think that it is worth purchasing, to the point where you would pick up a copy at your local computer superstore whenever they get around to carrying it, joining the club gets your money to the developers at a much higher percentage of what you spend.
There are other advantages as well, which you can read on their web page if it really interests you. If not, then the above probably won't be of much interest either.
-Rusty
Re:The Club (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The Club (Score:2)
For the same reason people give Apple money for Macs/Os X: because it just works on your system.
Distro vendors are providing a service. They are saying "here are compiled/patched versions of the software you want that should just work if you are using our system. We provide ./configure && make && sudo make
I'm about to renew. (Score:5, Informative)
I also like the repositories for software that are available to club members. I have yet to find a piece of software out there that someone didn't turn into a Mandrake RPM, and the club mirrors seem to have it all. Sure, you can find them other places, too, but all in all it's nice to have everything in one place.
issues (Score:1)
Re:issues (Score:1)
Re:issues (Score:2)
Former MDK user... (Score:4, Insightful)
I used to enjoy seeing what they 'smoothed out' over the prev release. The MDK Club turned me off as Deno started getting stinky about support for 'non-users' but I understand they're just trying to make a dollar (or euro in their case).
Regardless, nice to see a major Linux Distro still in the running.
CCBB
YUM or apt-rpm? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Former MDK user... (Score:4, Insightful)
You obviously never used urpmi. Probably, that old Mandrake had no urpmi.
Think of urpmi as apt-get. And you get GUI and text-based front-ends.
urpmi is native to Mandrake, and this is a big reason to use Mandrake.
See http://www.urpmi.org for more information.
Also, MDK lately comes all compiled with the prelink option, and with i586 optimization.
Peace!
No longer a fan of 'traditional' distros (Score:4, Interesting)
Then a hole chunk (SuSE like) impors of packages. All required development for simple confmakemakeinstall's and perhaps simple walk throughs for these common actions. For newbies trying to get onto the bandwagon, this would be a diamond!
What was the thing you got stuck on at first? write it down, and think how you could solve it for another newbie.
Out of interest Moore's Law finally buried? [slashdot.org]
Ok enough shameless plug, it was for a good cause.
Re:No longer a fan of 'traditional' distros (Score:2)
Install an absolutely basic Debian distro, skip dselect and tasksel, and apt-get what you want and need for your basic distro, then build up from there. If you want to invest a lot of time in configuration, but build a system completely tailored to your wants and needs there's Gentoo and LFS [linuxfromscratch.org] - depends on how much support you want to find, how much time you wish to invest, and how much package management infrastructure you want.
Re:No longer a fan of 'traditional' distros (Score:2)
Re:No longer a fan of 'traditional' distros (Score:2)
Still, I have gotten SuSE 9.1 installed in some pretty cool places, some schools and even a monastary!
The only problem was, after a simple install, trying to do a confmakemakeinstall I realised SuSE doesn't install the 'bare bones' make system required to, ba
Re:No longer a fan of 'traditional' distros (Score:2)
acpi support for laptops? (Score:5, Interesting)
I just switched back to windows (rather painlessly, thanks to the excellent QtParted [sourceforge.net] and, strangely enough, a windows ME boot disk [for an XP machine--needed to restore the MBR]). I can't tell you how greatly it pains me to do so--as far as i'm concerned, linux is ready for the desktop, and has been for some time. ACPI-based laptops though, are another story. I've been trying for weeks to get my battery life to come close to what's possible under windows, and while the Software suspend [sf.net] project seems to work for a lot of people, i could never get it to work on my laptop (or maybe just my kernel). I've tried various distributions, from suse to xandros to straight debian to knoppix and even the simpler ones such as DSL [damnsmalllinux.org] and none of them allow me to really use my laptop for more than about an hour (give or take a quarter) without plugging in, which is just unacceptable for my purposes.
So i finally gave up and dropped the linux partitions and reinstalled the boot sector (oh how that final 'fdisk
so anyway, for anyone who's tested and/or used the new version of MDK on a recent laptop, what's your experience with the ACPI support? Battery life? Suspend functionality? dare i ask--functional keys? (yes, i know that's not really related to acpi, but mandrake is generally pretty conscientious about things like that, i thought perhaps they might have integrated a solution.)
Re:acpi support for laptops? (Score:2, Informative)
Regards,
Steve
Re:acpi support for laptops? (Score:1)
the only thing i haven't gotten yet to work on my laptop is the freaking via video driver. im using the vesa ok right now. no hopes of dri/drm at the moment.
wireless works good using ndiswrapper, software suspend is actually quite old, i think it's in the main tree, at least it was in the kernel sources for my distro. now, swsusp2 (the maintained rewrite of software suspend i think) isn't in my distro's kernel, but patching it in wasn't too h
Re:acpi support for laptops? (Score:2)
i haven't used a redhat distro in years--does fedora have a livecd-style version?
heavy processor use is obviously going to tax the kernel, but for average use i'd like to see at least 2.5 hours of battery life, preferably closer to the 3.5 i g
Re:acpi support for laptops? (Score:2)
Progonosis not good (Score:2)
Re:acpi support for laptops? (Score:2)
now, it STILL depends on the laptop. My dell D800 does great and the Video card is supported as well as the wireless g built in. but my older dell use bizzare brand hardware and no linux on this planet works worth a damn on it.
It depends lots on your laptop, if you buy a laptop with linux in mind it's painless (and if you got cash, get a powerbook. best linux support for a lap
Re:acpi support for laptops? (Score:2)
Neither of these things require ACPI support, I believe.
Re:acpi support for laptops? (Score:4, Interesting)
Also, let's not forget to thank Texstar... (Score:5, Informative)
Thanks Texstar!
CB@#$
Re:Also, let's not forget to thank Texstar... (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.pclinuxonline.com/pclos/index.html [pclinuxonline.com]
Re:Also, let's not forget to thank Texstar... (Score:2)
Xorg-X11 6.7? (Score:1)
Re:Xorg-X11 6.7? (Score:4, Informative)
Just because something has a new version out doesn't mean that people putting together a distribution are going to alter the package contents to add it. Gnome 2.8 is out too. It's not in Mandrake 10.1 either. Why not? Because 2.8 was released yesterday (or this week) the freeze for 10.1 happened several weeks ago, about the time that 10.1Beta1 came out I am pretty sure.
-Rusty
Re:Xorg-X11 6.7? (Score:2)
My guess would be because the ATI drivers don't support it (though I have yet to get them tow work with 6.7).
Re:Xorg-X11 6.7? (Score:2)
Xorg 6.8? (Score:3, Interesting)
Regardless, MDK users can update rather easily, just update your YUM repository!
CBV
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Re:Xorg 6.8? (Score:2)
PCB$#@
It has the potential to be THE distro for laptop (Score:4, Interesting)
1. Centrino wireless support integrated, Wi-Fi roaming.
2. ACPI support - finally! I'm sick with rebooting the laptop.
But, good as it sounds, I'm still waiting for the Official.
2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (Score:5, Informative)
Read about it here [mandrakesoft.com].
Basically, if you touch the MBR with a 2.6 kernel bootloader, XP or Windows 2000 is gone, and can't be restored. So backup your MBR first by using
"dd if=(input device) of=/(output dir)/hda-img.mbr bs=512 count=1"
where if=(input device), should point to your first drive, eg.
Even if you do this to restore, your Windows partition may still be toast, depending on how much you messed with the partition table.
Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (Score:4, Informative)
Read more about this here, especially about resolving this when you have been hit (you won't lose any data):
Fedora Mailing List post [redhat.com]
Bye egghat.
Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (Score:2)
We often talk about OS being faster when fixes need to be done. And more than 4 months after the detection of this rather serious bug there simply won't be any new distro which still is affected.
But you're correct, older distros (kernel 2.4 based) aren't affected as well.
Bye egghat.
Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. - um.. NO! (Score:2, Informative)
This is only an issue with a certain combination of BIOS and chipset (nForce2). I have both 2.6.x (x86) and 2.6.x (x86_64) set-up on my machine booting via GRUB and also loading Win2K on an NTFS partition.
Stop the FUD.
Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. - um.. NO! (Score:2)
It doesn't apply to everyone, but it's still a valid complaint and (as others have said) totally unacceptable.
Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (Score:5, Informative)
what happend was that the bios didnt agree with itself if it should use chf or lba mode to set the gemoetry of the disk. windows relys on the bios info when it creates the partitions. then along comes the linux kernel, pokes the disk directly, finds that the geometry info used to create the partitions is wrong and goes about cleaning up. then windows comes back and finds non of the info it expects and in good old windows fashion trows its virtual arms in the air and gives up. the files are all there, the partitions are all there, its just that the partition table isnt of the type windows expects and therefor windows fails.
its just like ripping a disk with win2k or later on and stick it into a diffrent computer. on boot you will most likely get a bluescreen with a error as windows rely on its old hardware list to boot drivers, and when said drivers fail there is no fallback. linux on the other hand build the list every time it boots and therefor will not have mutch of a problem with the move.
complaining that this is a linux error is like complaining that there is something wrong with firefox when you try to access a page designed with ms frontpage. most likley a visit to the w3c validator will show so many error that you will be surprised that it renders at all.
the problem is that windows have become so mutch a "standard" that when something goes wrong it have to be the odd boy out there is the problem, not the devil in drag down the road.
Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (Score:2, Interesting)
I've tried Slack 10, and had the same issue. If LILO or GRUB were installed as the bootloader in the MBR, the NTFS filesystem dies.
Yes, I'm sure that's the right filesystem. There are other associated BIOS issues (for example, Logical Block Addressing must be turned on), but they don't apply in the majority of cases.
What FS is on your laptop?
No flammage here,
Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (Score:2, Informative)
That is a weird issue, it does not appear that the culprit has been identified on the Mandrake bug report, I would be interested to know what the cause is. As to the BIOS, since it is a Compaq laptop the BIOS is fairly limited, not much one can change. I do typically use LBA mode, so perhaps this is why I have not seen the issue!?
Anyone have access to a better (more configurable) BIOS image for the presario laptops (1505u
download from mirrors please! (Score:3, Informative)
http://ftp.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake
I'm going to see what new things are out on the Desktop.
CB
Re:download from mirrors please! (Score:1, Informative)
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Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (Score:2)
Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (Score:2)
Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (Score:2)
The issues have been fixed in the kernel (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (Score:2)
Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (Score:2)
What's annoying is that 2.6.8.1 on Gentoo is unmasked and with no patch to fix the problem. The least the Gentooistas could have done to avoid this is to mask the package until a fix appeared.
I wonder if gentoo-dev-sources is worth trying again... I've been on vanilla-sources since mm-sources crashed on boot in 2.6.7.
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Financial situation? (Score:2)
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Re:Financial situation? (Score:2, Interesting)
Mandrake seems to be pulling itself up by it's bootstraps financially. Which is great - because I think Mandrake is Linux's great hope to take on MS.
And they're doing that by doing what MS does - but based on a stable OS. With Mandrake you can get install your desktop from a couple of CD's, with about as much tech knowhow as you need with windows. With Mandrake you get a nice looking desktop right out of the box. And now with Mandrake you can spend $25 a year and get a windoze like auto-security-update
Re:Financial situation? (Score:2)
Re:Financial situation? (Score:4, Informative)
In short: MandrakeSoft is out of "Chapter 11" (March 30th - 2004: Mandrakesoft Exits Bankruptcy). MandrakeSoft is back making profit. MandrakeSoft shares are back being actively traded.
Quoting latest report [mandrakesoft.com]:
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During the third quarter of 2003/2004, Mandrakesoft produced a consolidated revenue of 1.50 M and a gross margin of 1.25 M, a respective increase of 39.1% and 66.7% compared with the same period of the previous fiscal year. The gross margin is the highest on record, and quarter by quarter there is an acceleration in its rate of growth (Q1 +29.8%, Q2 47.7%, Q3 +66.7%)
During the quarter, the company registered an operating income of 0.17 M (0.04 per share) compared to an operating loss of 0.47 M during the same period of the previous fiscal year. The net income increased to 0.19M (0.04 per share) compared to a net loss of 0.37 M during the previous fiscal year.
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So it's all good.
Peace!
Mandrake Club (Score:3, Funny)
Mandrake 10.1 Community Released? (Score:2, Funny)
I blame Microsoft.
is losetup -e AES fixed? (Score:2)
was broken in 10.0
Chatter on the mailing lists refered to the 2.6 kernel not supporting the encryption modules--or something--I never really understood the issue.
Neither could I figure out whether or not
- it is fixed
- they think it is fixed
- they intend to fix it
- they think it can be fixed
Re:Gentoo (Score:2)
Re:Gentoo (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Gentoo (Score:2)
If you have anything but the latest hardware Gentoo is likely to take a week to install. It took me two days on my fancy Athlon 64, and I know of people on old hardware (386's or something) taking weeks.
Re:Gentoo (Score:2)
FYI - Stage 1 is the compile EVERYTHING from source, whereas Stage 3 starts with prebuilt packages targetted towards either i386/athlonxp/etc.
I've always started with Stage 3, because I don't believe that the effort:performance-gain ratio is worth it.
Re:Gentoo (Score:2)
Especially for Gentoo, it's invaluable.
Re:Gentoo (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm curious what tools you're referring to. I'm far from any expert on any distro, but I've never had a problem dumping out to a console window, su'ing to root, and tweaking the odd config file by hand (mainly in that I still don't understand where some things are at in the mdk gui tools ; seems like I always have to hand-edit
Re:Gentoo (Score:4, Informative)
This is a false statement.
All GUI config tools ("wizzards") can be bypassed... modifying text config files.
Also, most of GUI config tools have a text-version as well.
MandrakeLinux is also a good Linux distribution for those Linux old dogs (like myself) that do not need to prove "31337ness". I already have succesfully installed and used LFS and Slackware (last century, when it came in floppies).
I do not need to endure the pain anymore. My time is more valuable than to missuse it wasting time in a 2-day install and 10-day configure. I just need to use any Linux distribution.
Peace
Re:Only available to club members? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Only available to club members? (Score:2)
No, actually it doesn't say anything about not requiring someone to pay for the software. It says absolutely nothing about not requiring someone to "sign" anything. I suggest you READ THE F***ING LICENSE BEFORE you go off on a righteous hoot next time.
Re:Only available to club members? (Score:2)
Now, it is also 100% allowed under the GPL for the Club members to redistribute binaries/source, but Mandrake is under no obligation to do so.
Re:Great! (Score:2)
Re:This is an outrage (Score:2, Funny)
I'm more thinking of the LG CD-RW drive bug with 10.0 Community. There was a command in Mandrake's kernel that wiped out the firmware in some of LG's CD-RW drives. The people trying Community found the bug, had to go through some long process to get their CD-RW drives working again and then when 10.0 Official came out, those who downloaded it for free have no more bugs!
Mod parent down, it's basically spam. (Score:4, Insightful)
You want the new Mandrake NOW NOW NOW? You've got six choices:
1) Get a club membership. You get tons of apps prepackaged as Mandrake RPMs and dedicated mirrors, too.
2) Make a friend with someone who already has a club membership. Nothing wrong with making copies of the CDs.
3) Learn the art of patience, and wait for the general release.
4) Download the current Cooker. It's gonna be essentially the same.
5) Download the sources and compile it yourself. Pain in the butt, but no one ever said the GPL means they have to provide you binaries, only source.
6) Pay these guys $6.99 to download the images from them. Please note: This option will automatically make you an asshat.
Actually... (Score:2)
Re:mirror available! (Score:2)
You aren't supporting linux developers you are supporting the site for their use of bandwidth. Not exactly a non-profit endeavor.
Donate to the projects you like and download for free or borrow a disc from a friend. Of course if you are going to pay, just buy from the distro creator.
http://www.linuxiso.org/
Re:All I want is a pony (Score:2, Interesting)
It's all about priorities. If homework and your job are more important to you than having kde 3.3, which they should be, then do your fucking homework and go to your fucking job.
I concede, you're the smarter jackass.