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Mandrakesoft Releases 10.1 Beta1 142

Theanswriz42 writes "MandrakeSoft has announced the release of Mandrake Linux 10.1 Beta1 which is available from one of the many mirrors or from bittorrent. xorg is now the standard and there are many other changes from the previous version of Mandrake Linux. Screenshots are available here."
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Mandrakesoft Releases 10.1 Beta1

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 07, 2004 @12:34PM (#9908838)
    Yay Linux, boo Microsoft.

    There, I got half of the comments out of the way.
    • Still as ugly as hell. I love mandrake for it's usability but when are they going to learn that looks matter. The three biggest "distributions" have the most resources put into looks (Apple, MS, and Redhat). Why dont they make a screenshot contest and then emulate the winner.
  • I like Mandrake... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by rdean400 ( 322321 )
    and I'll jump right on this one to get rid of XFree86.
  • I installed a xfree86 update a few days ago and my ibm thinkpad doesn't like it. I get black everything, (though a few things like text and some images pop up when moused over). tonight I guess I'll download this and hope the new X fork fixes it. And of course that the fact that it's beta doesn't break anything else.
  • by rokzy ( 687636 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @12:39PM (#9908863)
    ...even though I prefer SUSE over Mandrake by far.
    I always get excited about new releases. Linux's constantly increasing numbers make me feel like things are always getting better, which is usually the case.

    By contrast, every new MS release makes me scared about what they're sneaking in this time - activation, DRM, Trusted Computing...
    • by AliasTheRoot ( 171859 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @12:49PM (#9908911)
      but the numbers get bigger in Windows too!

      3 -> 95 -> 2000 -> XP!

      (XP is Roman for really huge)
    • Rather with all the press Microsoft gets, we pretty much know all the 'extras' they are giving us each release..

      We often don't have as much info about the latest and greatest Linux distro release...

      And yes I know you can 'use the source', but really, who has time to audit their OS + tools + apps ? ( or how many users even would understand what they are reading, written in several different languages, and millions of lines of code.. )

      That being said, I also trust that something sinister will be caught, by
  • by Tiberius_Fel ( 770739 ) <fel@empirereborNETBSDn.net minus bsd> on Saturday August 07, 2004 @12:39PM (#9908865)
    As a user of MS products all the way from MS-DOS to Windows XP, I must say that Mandrake (10.0) greatly impressed me when I loaded it, and it continues to do so. Kudos to MandrakeSoft for making such a great product, and I'm glad that they're making it better all the time. :-)

    I look forward to trying out 10.1 beta....
    • I have to agree I was also impressed with Mandrake 10.0, not to mention I finally got all my speakers to work properly. But sadly enough, I have always had some issues with installer (prior to 10.0), mostly it overwrote my MBR and then asked me if I wanted to install LILO somewhere else, which I actually did. 10.0 on the other hand didn't have this issue, though this time I wasn't be able to create boot diskette. Not really a problem, because I always have Knoppix CD around, but still kind of bugs me. Let's
      • You can't make a single boot floppy with kernel 2.6.x, it's just too large. That's why Mandrake doesn't include it as an option in 10.1. However, there is a cd boot image in the images folder on the disc sets and on the mirrors, you can use this to boot up just fine.

        2.6 adds features and size, a double-edged sword..but then again, floppies need to be deprecated anyway.
    • As a user of Mandrake products all the way from 8.0 to 10, please bear in mind that, like many distro betas, Mandrake's aren't always terribly reliable.

      Don't be too disappointed if the shiny new beta has issues which make it a non-starter for you.
      • I upgraded my Dell Inspiron 5150 from Mandrake 9.2 to Mandrake 10. The first few things I noticed upon upgrading were:

        1. Previously working network configuration was trashed. Network connectivity foobarred.
        2. Previously working Logitech cordless keyboard and mouse stopped working.
        3. Mozilla wouldn't launch, and kept telling me that a profile was already in use.

        Come on, people. How hard is it to ship a distro without glaring fuckups?

        Linux geeks easily dismiss people who find Linux difficult to use as luse

        • I upgraded my Dell Inspiron 5150 from Mandrake 9.2 to Mandrake 10.

          This is something I wouldn't expect someone who was inexperienced with Linux to know, but a couple of years ago, many Linux distributions (and Mandrake was certainly one of them) were appallingly unreliable when you chose the "Upgrade" option of the install. Usually, you'd be better off backing up /home and /usr/local and reloading from scratch.

          It is disappointing to see that nothing much has changed there.

          In a business, chances are tha
    • by Wog ( 58146 )
      Agreed.

      I've been a heavy user of MS products since 3.1, and have toyed with Linux on home server and desktop setups.

      Mandrake 10 was the first distro that had no trouble with the hardware on my laptop. After changing one boot option to enable ACPI and get sound working, it was flawless.

      I now dual-boot XP and Mandrake on my laptop, and it's great. I'm learning quickly as I use Linux, and at this point I only keep XP around for games and work -- My Samsung VI660 USB phone doesn't seem to like Linux, and I c
      • Try SPH-A660. That's the REAL model number.

        I found this [reviewtvs.com] auction for a data cable for it, and it said it would work with Linux. BTW, what are you using the data cable for? Contact transfer, or internet access? Seeing as the A660 ISN'T a camera phone, it wouldn't be that...
        • Oh, and something you should know if you're using it as a modem - When we got our Vision phone, we asked about it, and the salesperson said that you can find cables to do it online, but if Sprint ever calls and asks whether you've been using the phone as a modem, and you say yes, your phone and account is blacklisted from Vision forever. Say no, and you're safe. Just something you should know...
          • Thanks for the info!

            I'm aware of the rule. I bought the phone because the rep told me I could connect through vision with my laptop. I called Sprint when I read about users getting in trouble for it, and chewed them out royally for not telling their reps to lay off. I told them that I'd renewed my contract and bought the phone based on that info. This got me escalated all the way to the manager (who was on his way out of the office).

            He explained the situation... that they can't let people willy-nilly use
            • I've been using it with ReqWireless WebViewer (the trial version, too) to visit /. Of course, I get craploads of "Malformed response message" errors, and the A660 can only handle about 50K of data with the WebViewer trial (or is it a hard-coded limit in WebViewer?)
  • by VC ( 89143 ) * on Saturday August 07, 2004 @12:45PM (#9908893)
    Ipod mini and 4g ipods, the cool ones with no buttons, dont mount under the new mdk kernel. :-) ive got to boot into knoppix to update songs.

    Other than that, mandrake rocks. viva la mandrake.

    (its bug 10619 if anyone cares..)
  • jaj mandrake (Score:4, Interesting)

    by GooDieZ ( 802156 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @12:49PM (#9908915) Homepage
    Something nice to do over weekend, trying out the new beta on test machine.

    The nicest thing about all that? well when it becomes Release 10.1 you just update sources and wait for urpmi to end rpming...

    Done this since MDK 8.2, no new CD installs just update. Now MS beat that

    To hell with Karma spoilers...
    • well when it becomes Release 10.1 you just update sources and wait for urpmi to end rpming...

      What in the hell does that mean?
      • Re:jaj mandrake (Score:5, Informative)

        by opkool ( 231966 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @03:24PM (#9909648) Homepage
        Programs in Mandrake came in the form of "rpm-packages"

        Those rpm-packages are mirrored in ftp servers around the world.

        A ftp server that mirrors Mandrake rpm-packages, also contains an "index file" (hdlist.cz) with meta-information about those packages.

        A ftp server with Mandrake rpm-packages plus this "index file" is called a "package source" in "Mandrake speak"

        From Mandrake Control Center, you can configure "rpmdrake/urpmi" to install packages from a "package source", pretty much like Debian uses apt-get and FedoraCore uses Yum.

        "rpmdrake/urpmi" are: the core "classic rpm" plus perl scripts that solve "dependency hell" . One (rpmdrake) is a GUI tool, the other (urpmi) is the text-based tool under rpmdrake's hood.

        To Upgrade a Mandrake from version n to n+1, go to Mandrake Control Center, change rpm-package sources so now point to new Mandrake release, and then, do a "update packages" to upgrade all packages and end with new Mandrake version.

        I hope this makes clear what he said..

        Peace!
  • Yum Frontend (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dduardo ( 592868 )
    Mandrake has done a good job based on what I saw in the screenshots. The only thing I think they should add is a frontend to Yum. Although there is probable plenty of software on the cd, not everything is going to be there. Perhaps if the user downloads an RPM from the net and double click it, yum starts up, parses the filename and installs all the dependences associated with the program. If Mandrake can pull that off i'll be very impressed and have more reason to suggest it for friends. Unfortunely, you wo
    • Mandrake does have something similar, and IMO better called URPMI.
    • Re:Yum Frontend (Score:5, Informative)

      by KeyserDK ( 301544 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @01:06PM (#9909007) Homepage
      mdk doesnt use Yum, but urpmi.

      Just associate 'gurpmi' with the mime type for RPM in your favorite web browser.
      • Why isn't this done by default then?

        I haven't used mandrake in I don't know how many years. I'm just asking questions so people in the open source community realize the little things need to change to make it much easier to use Linux.
        • Re:Yum Frontend (Score:3, Informative)

          by opkool ( 231966 )
          Errr, you are miss-informed.

          In my Mandrakelinux 10.0-Oficial:

          I just opened the file browser (konqueror), clicked on a src.rpm (source rpm) icon, I got a GUI dialog that asked for root password and then I got a dialog that asked me:

          ------QUOTE----------
          You have selected a source package: /home/opkool/Downloads/bzip2-1.0.2-18mdk.src.rpm

          You probably didn't want to install it on your computer (installing it
          would allow you to make modifications to its sourcecode then compile it).

          What would you like to do
    • Re:Yum Frontend (Score:5, Informative)

      by pllewis ( 634741 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @03:00PM (#9909540)
      go URPMI. This is the one reason that I still stick with mandrake over suse. URPMI is great. Add a little plf to the mix, and your all set. I get 95% of what I need via urpmi. # urpmi mplayer # urpmi freevo DONE!!!! updates # urpmi.update -a # urpmi --auto-select Other then the x.org thing, doesn't look any different then my 10 distro. Never been a big fan of apt-get for rpm based disto's. I've had a couple of bad sources that have really screwed up my system. To configure urpmi, I go to http://easyurpmi.zarb.org, select my distro, choose my source/updates and I don't touch my cd's for software again. From what I've heard, SUSE may be going the way of urpmi soon. They've got beta's out there and source directories.
      • Man, you're lucky. URPMI gave me such headaches. It rarely had an up to date package which forced me to compile from scratch and face dependency hell. The list of apps was also limited. URPMI is great if you don't mind settling for old and only popular packages. Mandrake is easy to install, but a pain to maintain. I recommend people look at other distros if Mandrake is their first flavor of linux and they get fed up with it.
        • I think that it is all in where you get your packages from. When I messed up fedora with apt-get, I had added in an unreliable source to try and get the packages I needed. I've been pretty lucky with mandrake. I found some really good source sites and have not had dependency issues. Also found most of what I need. Still waiting on an update for freevo however. xmltv is out of date.
    • Re:Yum Frontend (Score:3, Insightful)

      This might be "interesting" in an interesting sort of way, but is certainly uninformed. Urpmi existed way before yum and is at this stage more mature.

      As far as clicking on an rpm and installing and resolving dependencies automatically, that also has been the default behavior for a long time.

  • Anyone know how to upgrade using URPM(I/E/etc.) alone?
    • by crimson_alligator ( 768283 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @01:03PM (#9908994)
      1.urpmi.removemedia -a
      2.go to http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php and set up sources for the release you want to upgrade to
      3.urpmi --auto-select --force

      done, but if you want a new kernel
      4.urpmi kernel (pick the one you want)
      5.reboot
      • Very much appreciated!
      • by opkool ( 231966 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @03:10PM (#9909578) Homepage
        Don't do this!

        A safer way [Note 1]:

        1. Exit graphical environment and go to console (Ctrl-Alt-F1)
        2. login as root and switch to runlevel 3 (telinit 3)
        3. urpmi.removemedia -a
        4. go to http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php and set up sources for the release you want to upgrade to
        5. urpmi --test urpmi (test if urpmi's upgrade works) [Note 2]
        6. urpmi urpmi (if you get no errors in previous step)
        7. urpmi --auto --auto-select --test (we want to make sure upgrade will work. If you have non-official rpms, this could cause trouble. Write down offending rpms/files, remove them and try again) [Note 3]
        8. urpmi --auto --auto-select
        9. urpmi kernel
        10. reboot

        [Note 1] This could not work if:
        * you have used "--force" before to install packages
        * you install rpms from untrusted origin
        * you install rpms not specific for Mandrake
        * you install with "./configure && make && make install" instead of using "./configure && make && checkinstall"

        [Note 2]: the --test option is great because:

        i. it downloads all needed rpm-packages
        ii. it tests the installation and provide quite clear error messages
        iii. it does *not* delete downloaded rpm-packages
        iv. it does *not* change your current programs.
        v. when happy and you do not use "--test", as all the packages are already downloaded, your upgrade takes less time.

        [Note 3]: If you get a message like "Packge foobar cannot be installed because it conflicts with file /usr/lib/foo-bar-0.1.2.so.3", remove the package with offending file. Which package contains offending file? Type "rpm -qf /usr/lib/foo-bar-0.1.2.so.3" and remove the package with "urpme offendingpackage". After completing the upgrade, install new version of package with "urpmi offendingpackage" if needed/

        Peace!
        (upgrading Mandrake with urpmi since 8.1)
      • Wow... thank you so much! I had no idea you could do a live update with Mandrake... which was the biggest reason I ended up going with the hassle of Gentoo. I will try this tonight!
    • Yeah, it's pretty easy and well documented all over the place.

      You use the software sources manager, uncheck your current sources first, then add new sources for 10.x. First thing you do from the commandline is 'urpmi urpmi' then 'urpmi --auto-select'. You may have to make some choices along the way but eventually you'll end up with 10.x. Don't forget to 'urpmi kernel' also, as it may not update you to the newest one (which is a failsafe built into urpmi).
    • by arose ( 644256 )
      Use easy urpmi [zarb.org] to select cooker sources. You may also might to "rpm --import" the GPG signatures found in the cooker tree (I don't remember which directory). After that just "urpmi --auto-select".

      Seems to work quite good, but for some reason I can't intall galeon or epiphany.
  • by base3 ( 539820 )
    Mandrake, just as much as the commercial players, needs to keep releasing updates to generate sales. This cycle contributes to an endless cycle of pointless minor updates and feature bloat.
    • "just as much as the commerical players?" Mandrake is a commercial player. Back under your bridge, troll!
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Mandrake releases like this because most of their releases are buggy. 10.0 included. Plus, there isn't much of "feature bloat" in Mandrake...it still runs on machines that ran releases from a few years back.
  • Awe Damn (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I am not even done downloading 10.0 Official over my Dad's 56K modem! Tell them to slow down!
    • Actually, I'm running 10.0 Community. I BitTorrented it over a nice fat 2.5Mb/500Kb cable pipe, but I never got around to downloading 10.0 Official. Besides, my 4.3GB dedicated /home HDD would hate me for ANOTHER 2GB download (and I've got other ISOs in there, so it wouldn't fit w/o deleting 10.0 Community's ISOs).
  • by HRbnjR ( 12398 )
    Here is the last discussion [slashdot.org], in case anyone wants to read it :)
  • I've been using SuSE for a while, but am thinking of switching. What would you all say is the best linux for the desktop as of now?
    • Re:Desktop (Score:2, Informative)

      Gentoo, hands down the best desktop linux IMO, YMMV. Before you dis it, try it.

      (and then eat it, your words that is)

      CCB
      • I did try Gentoo, and the experience was informative, but ultimately I came
        back to Mandrake. It's slightly more of a pain with Mandrake to install
        bleeding edge stuff (except for major apps like Mozilla, which are both easy
        and straightforward), and you spend slightly more time hunting down where
        the distribution puts things, but I found that for me, Gentoo outweighed its
        advantages in those areas with some disadvantages of its own.

        Foremost, things just aren't as well integrated with Gentoo, in terms of the
        wa
        • Wow, I really appreciate your answer, thanks for taking the time. I agree, integration, things just "working together" are always more complete in Mandrake or SuSE (which some use at my work) but I actually enjoy the challenges of Gentoo, hunting down problems and fixing them. Portage isn't without it's (sometimes major) quirks, that's for sure. Witness the time I did an 'emerge world' on my build server, only to have it break ssh. Ok, it didn't break it, but after the emerge it wouldn't allow ssh conne
    • 3.141 (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      What do you want to do? If you want simplicity stick with SuSE. If you want to mess with Linux itself, and not extra distro crap, go with Slackware. If you want to compile everything go with Gentoo. If you want to compile everything but just don't find Gentoo to be all that appealing and you want a more Slackware like experience do Linux From Scratch. If you don't want a lot of distro crap, but want package management, go with Debian.

      Be a little more specific. Best Linux desktop for what?
      • So, reading between the lines:

        1. Do you want "distro-optimized" software?
        Yes - 2
        No - 4

        2. Do you like
        Gnome - Fedora
        KDE - 3

        3. Do you like
        Rock Solid - SuSE
        Latest'n'Greatest - Mandrake

        4. Do you like to compile?
        No - 5
        Yes - 6

        5. Do you have a good overview when to
        update your system's software for
        bugfixes etc?
        Yes - Slackware
        No - Debian

        6. Do you have a good overview of when to
        update your system's software for
        bugfixes etc?
        Yes - Linux from Scratch
    • The one which does what you want it to.
    • I've tried lots of distros in the last months. in fact, I've spent so much free time reinstalling linux I started to feel like it was my only hobby. I do lots of video and music stuff but have little need for office apps unless I'm working on a proposal or resume or something, so I can't tell you the difference between koffice and ooo. What I can tell you is that mandrake seems to have the best ootb experience of them all and it's the one I keep going back to. In fact, it's finally so good my windows partit
    • Re:Desktop (Score:3, Informative)

      Why are you thinking of switching? That is the key question.

      Mandrake 10 is very, very good. My only qualm with it has been PMCIA support for Wifi cards. Other than, it is very fast and very stable.

      It's multimedia "readiness" is superb.

      Google for easy urpmi, then add plf and contrib repositories and you have thousands of applications at your fingertips.

      urpmi libdvdcss

      After that, getting DVDs to play out of the box is as easy as putting a DVD in the drive.

      Getting mplayer installed with all the fancy cod
  • From France? Does anyone know if the garlic is included?
    • Re:A beta (Score:2, Funny)

      by Walrusss ( 750700 )
      Even if you are just discovering that it is a french distro (which is the case since it started couple of years ago), I think it is not (included. the garlic).

      For the fun of it, it would be better if there was a bottle of red wine included.

      • $ urpmq -y garlic
        garlic
        $ urpmq -i garlic
        Name : garlic
        Version : 1.4
        Release : 1mdk
        Group : Sciences/Chemistry
        Size : 2197558 Architecture: i586
        Summary : Free molecular viewer and editor

        And of course,
        urpmq -y wine
        libwine1
        libwine1-capi
        libwine1-devel
        lib wine1-twain
        linuxconf
        wine
        wine-utils
        xwine

        Cheers, from Paris.
  • Is this the first OS to go beyond version 10? I know there is MacOS X, but that's kind of randomly chosen name (more than a version number), no?
    • Actually, it is a version number. :-/
      If I'm not mistaken the latest one is OS X 10.4?
    • > Is this the first OS to go beyond version 10?

      In a word, no.

      > I know there is MacOS X, but that's kind of randomly chosen name (more
      > than a version number), no?

      Lesse, there was System 6, System 7, MacOS 8, MacOS 9, then Mac OS X, which
      was at first 10.0 then 10.1 then 10.2 then 10.3 and soon 10.4. Looks like a
      number to me.

      Nor was Mac the first OS to hit double-digit version numbers, and I think
      Solaris was there before Mandrake. Heck, Emacs is at version 21 now :-)
  • And old news from thursday!
    http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?si d=04/08/05/ 1442252&tid=147&tid=218
  • by Hooded One ( 684008 ) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (enodedooh)> on Saturday August 07, 2004 @04:44PM (#9909966) Journal
    If you've seen Mandrake before, there's nothing new for you. I looked through all of them, and the first half or so of the screenshots were of the installer, followed by the first-run stuff, and the Mandrake Control Center categories. The only new thing I noticed was a user survey, and possibly some changes to the first-run wizards. There was one shot of Konqueror, but other than that no shots of running applications.

    If you've never seen Mandrake before, you might want to go ahead and look, but for anybody else it's pretty much a waste of time. Plus it's hell on LinuxBeta's servers.

    That said, a quick question for anybody who has installed this beta: Does Mandrake still use devfs, or have they finally moved to udev? That was one of my disappointments when I tried 10 Community.
  • As I recall, the Mandrake 10.0 versions (both community and release) will try and "fix" the MBR and partition table if it sees a Windows XP install on the same drive as the Mandrake install. This results in a broken Windows install - this issue was minimized on the dev lists and wasn't fixed in the release version.

    Blew away the MBR and almost had to reinstall until I found the "dd" trick that allows you to rewrite it.

    In any case, I fixed it by partitioning manually and loading from the NTLDR in Windows.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    They still haven't fixed the stupid 10 control center, where when you select a category all the other categories disappear, leaving users only with the poorly marked "back" button at the bottom. What was wrong with the category system like YaST?
  • Beta Fatigue (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I have used ( & loved ) Linux off & on for 12 years but recently I switched to Mac beause frankly I got burn't out by the constant beta state & contiunal change.

    Putting aside the politics, sometimes one needs things to just work so one can attend all the other things called 'a life' ahem...

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