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Gentoo 2004.2 Released 321

Posted by michael from the gentlemen,-start-your-compilers dept.
brghntr writes "The gentoo guys (and girls) have released 2004.2 for the x86, AMD64, HPPA, and SPARC. You can read the information page here or go straight to the mirrors."
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Gentoo 2004.2 Released

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  • PPC (Score:4, Informative)

    by ciryon ( 218518 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:13AM (#9799753) Journal
    PPC wasn't mentioned, but it seems it's on its way too.

    FP?

    • Re:PPC (Score:2, Informative)

      by pvdabeel ( 302559 )
      PPC is ready, just somewhat later. Our release also includes a kde/gnome livecd.

      • Re:PPC (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Curtman ( 556920 )
        Announcing a new Gentoo release is a lot like announcing a new set of debian install disks isn't it? If you've upgraded your 2004.1 this morning, then you've got everything thats in 2004.2 do you not?

        In other words, current Gentoo users should leave the mirrors alone, because they are wasting their time upgrading. Its only the live cd's (install cd) and the binary package cd's that nobody uses that have changed.

  • Nooooo (Score:2)

    by rf0 ( 159958 )
    I've not had time to download the new version yet now all the mirrors are going to get /.'ed. I bet the author has got theirs updated already

    Rus

    • Re:Nooooo (Score:5, Interesting)

      by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:18AM (#9799789) Homepage Journal
      just take a look at the mirrors.. if the mirrors are already updated theirs no slashdotting is going to do anything to them.

      for two reasons, first there's quite a big list of them and the second reason is that there's couple of sites on the list that could probably take the beating all by themselfs.

    • Re:Nooooo (Score:3, Informative)

      by orzetto ( 545509 )
      If the servers are out, try the torrents [tlm-project.org].

  • This is great and all but... (Score:3, Funny)

    by NeoThermic ( 732100 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:15AM (#9799770) Homepage Journal
    This was annouced at about 1:20am BST, when I was about 200MB into disk 1 of 2004.1

    So now I've got to downoad 2004.2 from the beginning, and trash 2004.1

    If only I had warning...

    NeoThermic
    • Last Wednesday I broke down and purchased Gentoo instead of trying to get the 1.5G to do a GRP install, so naturally, today, when I expect the disks to arrive, they release a new version. It must be monday...
    • Much more to the point, if you'd read the latest weekly newsletter [http], you'd have seen that 2004.2 was due on July 26th. Look for the small heading labeled "Releng".
    • why would you have to trash 2004.1? Just install 2004.1. Once finished, log on as root and type 'emerge sync' followed by 'emerge -u world'. Then your system will be totally up to date, as in you will then be running 2004.2. The version numbers for the LiveCD's are just to get a new system *fairly* up-to-date before downloading any updates. This keeps people from having to download tons of files to update a version that's too old.

      • Re:This is great and all but... (Score:5, Informative)

        by ScottGant ( 642590 ) <scott_gant@sbcgloba l . n etNOT> on Monday July 26, 2004 @12:34PM (#9802518) Homepage
        As I said before, the concept of a fluid distro are lost on some people.

        I installed Gentoo about a year ago and have never downloaded a new "version" as I keep up with my emerge on a regular basis.

        The only thing I can figure is that they are installing on fresh systems or want a live CD. Then it would make sense. But from the people I've talked to, they don't realize they already have the latest version if they "emerge sync && emerge -uDv world"

  • Actually, Gentoo releases don't really matter.. (Score:5, Informative)

    by leathered ( 780018 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:16AM (#9799779)
    If your regularly do an emerge -uD world then your system is pretty much up to date.
    • You don't really need the install cd to install gentoo. Any CD distro like knoppix work just as well.

    • It does matter... (Score:5, Informative)

      by dpilot ( 134227 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:23AM (#9799816) Homepage Journal
      There are some configuration-type things that don't get updated by an 'emerge -uD world'. Sure, all of your packages are kept up to date, but for instance, Gentoo has moved from XFree86 to X.org. That change won't be made until you move from 1.4 to 2004.x. I once saw directions on how to make the switch, but lost track before I could do anything about it. So for the moment, I'm '-uD world' like you.

      • Re:It does matter... (Score:5, Informative)

        by Dreadlord ( 671979 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:35AM (#9799875) Journal
        To upgrade from XFree86 to X.org:

        # emerge -C xfree
        # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge xorg-x11

        XFree86 blocks X.org, not sure if x.org is still masked or not.

        So there is no need to reinstall Gentoo.

        And XFree86 is the default in 2004.1, don't know about 2004.2.

        • Re:It does matter... (Score:3, Informative)

          by cuban321 ( 644777 )
          Never, ever, ever, unless you like broken boxes use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS.

          Instead, man portage and read about /etc/portage/package.keywords
          • > Never, ever, ever, unless you like broken boxes use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS.

            As long as you don't go and emerge world with it, you're fine. It's probably insane to use it for glibc and gcc, and I'm not sure I like the way the ~arch keyword has been overloaded to mean "arch specific" AND "unstable" (it masks too much stuff that is perfectly stable), but the worst I've ever seen it do was use a broken ebuild and fail to compile it.

            Yes, I have made the mistake of emerging a bleeding edge glibc. It hasn't compl

          • Re:It does matter... (Score:3, Informative)

            by cos(0) ( 455098 )
            I know that personal anecdotes do not matter much, but I'm running my workstation with ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" for over a year now, regularly `update -up world', and have yet to have a single software problem.

        • Re:It does matter... (Score:5, Informative)

          by Distinguished Hero ( 618385 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @09:38AM (#9800756) Homepage
          To upgrade from XFree86 to X.org:
          # emerge -C xfree
          # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge xorg-x11

          The more correct way of doing this would be:

          # emerge -C xfree
          # echo "x11-base/xorg-x11 ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
          # emerge -av xorg-x11
        • As others have said, there are better ways than ACCEPT_KEYWORDS, but I thought I'd also add that you might need to inject xfree (fool portage it's there) for some packages that don't understand that xorg is the "same" thing.

      • Re:It does matter... (Score:5, Informative)

        by dmayle ( 200765 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:50AM (#9799946) Homepage Journal

        Take at look at the instructions on the Gentoo forums, here:

        Switch to XORG [gentoo.org]

        They were originally crafted when Xfree was deprecated on AMD64, but they apply to all architectures, and they're designed to give you a minimum of downtime. (And provide a just in case backup as well.)

      • Re:It does matter... (Score:5, Informative)

        by deepstephen ( 149398 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:55AM (#9799971)

        There are some configuration-type things that don't get updated by an 'emerge -uD world'. Sure, all of your packages are kept up to date, but for instance, Gentoo has moved from XFree86 to X.org. That change won't be made until you move from 1.4 to 2004.x. I once saw directions on how to make the switch, but lost track before I could do anything about it.

        I believe you are referring to the Gentoo Upgrading Guide [gentoo.org]. It tells you how to point your /etc/make.profile to the 2004.2 version, which indeed uses X.org instead of XFree86 by default.

      • Re:It does matter... (Score:3, Informative)

        by jehreg ( 120485 )
        I did the switch last night.

        • /etc/init.d/xfs stop
        • /etc/init.d/xdm stop
        • emerge unmerge xfree
        • emerge xorg-x11
        • cp /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
        • /etc/init.d/xfs start
        • /etc/init.d/xdm start

        And I run nvidia too; no need to remerge nvidia-kernel. I did remerge nvidia-glx, just in case, but you should not have to.

      • From the release notes:

        Upgrading to Gentoo Linux 2004.2

        If you already have a working installation of Gentoo Linux (Version 1.4, 2004.0, 2004.1) there is no need to reinstall. You will automatically get Gentoo 2004.2 if you sync your Portage tree and run emerge --update world. If you still have an installation with a Gentoo 1.2 profile it might make sense -- in some cases -- that you do a new installation.

        There is also the possibility to update your system to a 1.4 profile from which you -- as already st
      • Gentoo does not "move" anywhere. You make your own choices, if you want to go on using Xfree and the ebuilds are maintained, you can very much keep on using it. XFree is not installed during stage3, so you have a choice of xfree or xorg after stage3.

        Also, were gentoo to take a decision regarding the default X server, it'd be a simple matter of rewriting the ebuild so that Xorg updates Xfree.

  • Platform curiosity (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wazzzup ( 172351 ) <astromacNO@SPAMfastmail.fm> on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:17AM (#9799784)
    I'm curious, why do linux distributions typically have PowerPC releases always up to a generation behind when it would seem that HPPA and SPARC are likely a smaller installed base?

    Is it that there are relatively few of the PPC base demand a Linux distribution when compared to what are mostly server-class CPU's and more likely to be running a Linux distro?

    Just wondering out loud.

    • Re:Platform curiosity (Score:4, Informative)

      by dmayle ( 200765 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:27AM (#9799835) Homepage Journal

      why do linux distributions typically have PowerPC releases always up to a generation behind

      This one's easy. The majority of people running PPC machines at home are using OS X. It's up to date, it's supported, and it's a very good desktop machine.

      How many people at home who have an Alpha machine want to run Digital's unix on the desktop? The same goes for HP/PA Risc

      Or Solaris for that matter. The effort to get a Solaris machine up to snuff for desktop use, with all patches, is phenomenal... I know, because I have a work machine running Solaris, with gnome, firebird, evolution, vim, gcc, cvs, ssh, etc., and it took me three full days of installation and patches to get this set up. I have another sparc machine at home that I installed gentoo on, completely from scratch (stage 1) that took less time than that to get going. And most of that time I left it to do it's own thing...

      I think it's just a question of what the enthusiasts on a particular hardware base want to do with their machine. If you're unhappy with that, you are, of course, always welcome to join one of the teams to help them get it out sooner...

      • Re:Platform curiosity (Score:5, Interesting)

        by vrai ( 521708 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @08:13AM (#9800091)
        I run Solaris on the desktop at home (Solaris 9 with Blackbox and the KDE apps) and it was a breeze to get running. Mainly thanks to these guys [blastwave.org], who have created an apt-get style system for Solaris.

        So to install SSH I just typed "sudo pkg-get install openssh" and off it went. It handles dependencies so installing KDE would automatically download and install Qt. Much nicer than the default Sun packages.

    • I'm curious, why do linux distributions typically have PowerPC releases always up to a generation behind when it would seem that HPPA and SPARC are likely a smaller installed base?

      Is it that there are relatively few of the PPC base demand a Linux distribution when compared to what are mostly server-class CPU's and more likely to be running a Linux distro?

      Well, I believe this is due to two things. First, you have the eBay phenomenon. Tons of Sun and HP hardware available for dirt cheap on eBay, and we'r
      • First, you have the eBay phenomenon. Tons of Sun and HP hardware available for dirt cheap on eBay, and we're talking server class machines for a fraction of their dot.bomb retail prices. That, plus a lot of techs got "free" boxes when their dot.bombs went under and they just sort of "acquired" boxes that would otherwise be repo'd by the creditors.

        Did companies using PowerPC based IBM servers manage to stay in business during the dot.bomb? Maybe the saying "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" has some so

        • Before IBM started drinking Linux kool-aid those machines were running AIX new. Eew. (Of course, I'd say the same thing about PA-RISC running HP-UX)

          That said, there are a few of them around, but they seem to go for more money than similarly-performing Sun or DEC/Compaq gear.

          Despite the Gentoo chorus as the answer for everything, they're way behind on PPC. Debian is years ahead, package-wise. I ran Debian Unstable on my old iBook just fine. Besides, compiling tons and tons of packages on a 366 iBook wi
      • Well, if your sparc hardware runs under linux (which some of it doesn't), chances are Gentoo will run fine. I've been running Gentoo on sparc for about eighteen months, and it's gotten a *lot* better over time. There're a lot more developers working on it now than there were previously, and the new QA tools in portage 2.0.50+ no longer allow developers to accidentally screw up other archs.

  • Girls?? Where!? (Score:4, Funny)

    by One Childish N00b ( 780549 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:18AM (#9799787) Homepage
    The gentoo guys (and girls) have released 2004.2 for the x86, AMD64, HPPA, and SPARC. You can read the information page here or go straight to the mirrors."

    Ooh! show me these Linux-loving females!

    posted with utmost respect for female /.'ers

  • Does it really matter? You always get latest! (Score:5, Informative)

    by xiando ( 770382 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:25AM (#9799825) Homepage Journal
    The strenght of Gentoo Linux [linuxreviews.org] is that it does not really matter what version you are using. emerge sync and emerge -u world, wait a while and there: you are running the latest version. The install has not changed much, so this actually means nothing to us Gentoo [gentoo.org] users. You get the latest version whatever Live CD you use to install, only the pre-buildt GRP packages are different on new releases.

    This is why you should try Gentoo today, it is excellent for both servers and desktops. Desktop users can choose to use the latest ("masked"), bleeding edge versions, while older stable packages should be preferred for production environments.

    The Gentoo Portage tree [linuxreviews.org] has more packages in it's database than any other Linux distribution. The freedom to choose.

    There is also a sweet front-end for Gentoo's portage called porthole [linuxreviews.org]. It allows you to search through the package database from a GUI GTK interface. You can browse the portage database online [gentoo-portage.com] to find out how much software is available without installing Gentoo.

    ..try Gentoo today! It's excellent.

  • Torrents (Score:3, Informative)

    by Weird O'Puns ( 749505 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:26AM (#9799828)
    When I last checked there weren't links to the torrents on the announcement and now I can't get to the site and see if they've changed that. So just to be sure here's the link [tlm-project.org].
    • They still haven't linked to the torrents yet in the announcement.

      The tlm-project torrents only appear to include the stock livecd's and the generic (x86 and i686) package GRP/package CDs, NOT the P4 and athlon-xp package CDs. Since the announcement specifically states that the platform specific CDs are not available from the normal mirrors, only bittorrent, you need the following

      torrent mirror [netdomination.org]

      Which has all the arch-specific livecds, and all the arch package CD's, include P3,P4,athlon-xp, amd64, ppc et
  • I have gentoo on my computer. You might think this is good, but its bad. My ex-boyfriend was a big gentoo-lover, in fact he was a developer for it or something. But now he's left me, and all that's left of him are some books and the impact he made on my computer.

    I would love to be able to use linux more, I am taking a course in community college and my boyfriend was wonderful for helping me out with that but when I told him that I hated him developing for gentoo all the time (he even forgot out anniversary

    • Merging... (Score:5, Funny)

      by FyRE666 ( 263011 ) * on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:46AM (#9799928) Homepage
      ...My ex-boyfriend was a big gentoo-lover, in fact he was a developer for it or something...

      Female: Check!
      Possibly attracted to geeks: Check!! ...I would love to be able to use linux more

      Linux fan: Check!!! ...I can't make it burn CDs or sync with my ipod...

      Owns cool gadgets: Check!!!! ...I'm catholic and from Scotland...

      %^$Dependency problem^^$"£CORE DUMP...STOPPED...
    • what happened to your home page / domain?
    • On the remote chance you're serious, there are plenty of people who'll help you with the CD burning thing.

      Syncing with the iPod is gonna be a bitch with any kind of Linux, as there's no iTunes for Linux.

      Once you've got Gentoo installed, it's no more difficult than any other Linux, and significantly easier than some of them. So I'd keep Gentoo if I were you.
    • Rudy, is that you?

      --Alan
    • "I'm catholic and from Scotland originally, so I'm not really from a computing background"

      How does either of those traits make one less likely to be "from a computing background"?
      For that matter, how does being "working class" make one more likely? (unless one is so teddibly well-bred and silver-spooned, that one regards any activity of remotely non-posh utility as being "working class")

    • Come hither... (Score:5, Funny)

      by paranode ( 671698 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @11:35AM (#9801938)
      ..and together we can emerge some love.

      j/k if my wife reads this she'll kill me... please don't tell her... really!

  • Get your Torrents here! (Score:4, Informative)

    by KingDaveRa ( 620784 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @07:34AM (#9799867) Homepage
    http://www.tlm-project.org/torrents/gentoo/x86/200 4.2/ I had to dig on the forums to find this, but still.

  • Hopefully this fixed the bugs in 2004.1 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Stevyn ( 691306 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @08:15AM (#9800104)
    I've had better luck with 2004.0 than 2004.1. In fact, I couldn't get 2004.1 to even boot the 2.6 kernel on the live CD. But of course the beauty of gentoo is that it doesn't matter since you can always update your system at any time.

    I recommend people do a stage 3 and install the binary packages if you're not sure of what optimizations. Then play around with cfflags and use flags and then recompile everything later on. Doing a stage 1 as a beginner is a waste of time because later on you'll find some important use flag you missed that could give you some performance. Of course, if you know what you're doing, then go for a stage 1 if you have the time. It took me about 24 hours to go from stage 3 to a kde environment.

    The reason I recommend gentoo to people, however, is portage. Anyone on mandrake, fedora, or suse have at one time or another had to deal with RPM hell. Portage solves all that. And while people complain how it takes so long, it's not time spent hunting for packages and tarballs like if you want to install a package that one of those above mentioned distros does not have yet. So for example, before you go to sleep, you type "emerge mozilla-firefox" and when you wake up, you have firefox and it took all of two seconds on your part. It won't take all night of course, I'm just using that example to show how while it takes longer to compile packages, it takes just two seconds of your time.
    • This is true.

      I just flicked over to Fedora because my old Gentoo install was messed up (probably from using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS...), and I have to say I'm regretting it.

      For Gentoo to really stomp every other distro, they need do one thing, and that's provide binary versions of the packages whose licenses don't prohibit it (qmail, for example).

      I just can't stand Fedora. There's all these packages installed that I don't want, and will never use, and it just irritates me. I have to use thrid party Yum reposi

      • Re:Hopefully this fixed the bugs in 2004.1 (Score:5, Interesting)

        by polyp2000 ( 444682 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @12:38PM (#9802574) Homepage Journal
        This is actually an interesting point ..
        One of the benefits of gentoo is the optimisation for ones hardware. If you have a fast machine the install-compile process is not so bad providing you dont cock anything up along the way. Once you have a gentoo up and running updates and installing packages with such unprecidented ease makes the initial effort well worth the while. Quite often there are the snyde remarks about waiting for stuff to compile. In all honesty once you have a gentoo box up and running compiling the odd thing from time to time is rarely an inconvenience.

        I slightly drifted from the parent there but what i was going to suggest is this. There must be many many people with systems compiled for a specific architecture. eg My box is compiled and optimised for a Dual Athlon MP ; It would be quite nice if there way a way i could "dump" my system somewhere where others with similar architecture could take advantage of the optimised, but pre-compiled system. Over time, i'd envisage a library of "Gentoo's" specifically built for different systems. Do people think that this is a viable idea, and how might it be done ?

        Nick ...
        • You can use the "quickpkg" tool (it's part of Portage) to generate binary packages, then have your friend use "emerge -k".

          Like another poster said, it would be hard to get strangers to trust your binary packages. But for a network of friends like a Linux user group, your workplace, or a school lab, building binary Gentoo packages would be really cool.
    • Well, portage isn't a bad idea, but IMHO Gentoo could really use a decent installer. Dunno, maybe one which:

      - can bloody remember the settings so it only needs to ask once. (As opposed to making me configure the ADSL settings _again_ after the compile.)

      - present choices as civilized check-boxes or radio-buttons, instead of making me switch back and forth to a crappy text-based browser to read what to type next to just get a cron daemon installed.

      - for that matter, if someone already went through the both

  • Gentoo topic icon? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Chuck Bucket ( 142633 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @09:23AM (#9800611) Homepage Journal
    When do we get a Gentoo topic icon on Slashdot? Look at all of the out of date icons that are out there, but after 2 years we still don't have a Gentoo one?

    Sorry, but this has irked me for some time, especially since I think the Gentoo icon is one of the classiest, along with the Debian icon. /C/B -help
  • So the way I see it, all I have to do is emerge sync and emerge system and then I'll have a 2004.2 system? I currently installed from 2004.1.

    Annoyingly enouugh, I just wrote a CD for 2004.1 the other day.

  • You don't even need the Gentoo CD... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Punk Walrus ( 582794 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @09:55AM (#9800918) Journal
    I figured out a way to just use two Fedora Core 1 floppies and a live Internet connection...

    Linux - How to Install Gentoo via Floppies and Network Only Using Fedora Floppies [livejournal.com]

    Hope this eases some download woes for someone...

  • Doesn't apply here. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=guys

    See definition #2.

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