Fedora Core 3 Test 1 Released 318
Gudlyf writes "Notice just went out to the Fedora Announce List about the availability of Fedora Core 3 Test 1. Things expected in FC3 include Linux kernel 2.6.7, GCC 3.4, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, and Evolution 2.0. As always, you can get Fedora Core test releases at redhat.com, specifically here and (for a torrent) here."
Bittorrent (Score:4, Interesting)
Suprised to see FC3 Test1 so soon.
WMP54G (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyone?
Re:WMP54G (Score:5, Informative)
Re:WMP54G (Score:2)
Re:WMP54G (Score:2, Informative)
Re:WMP54G (Score:2)
Of course, there's nothing stopping someone clever from reverse engineering it.
Re:WMP54G (Score:5, Informative)
Re:WMP54G (Score:2, Insightful)
Firewire (Score:2)
Anybody else have problems? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Anybody else have problems? (Score:5, Informative)
The link to the torrent can be found in the article text, actually. But since this is Slashdot: http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/FC3-test1-binary-i3
Re:Anybody else have problems? (Score:4, Interesting)
One would think that they would want to move the Fedora "branch" as far along as possible (and field test as much as possible) in between RHEL releases in order to incoporate as many stable features & fixes as possible into RHEL.
I'm not a big Red Hat user (prefer Gentoo myself) but that was my take on the Fedora projects goals.
Re:Anybody else have problems? (Score:3, Interesting)
We had problems with RHEL (which came with our dells) and replaced it with FC2. Things have been working great, actually.
Note, I'm not sure this is the exact or actual process. It's just from my experience with the produ
Re:Anybody else have problems? (Score:3, Informative)
The point is that it's a development version test release, not a point release, in order to find out what all the problems are as quickly as possible so that they can be fixed before the next point release so there can be a next point release someday.
If you aren't interested in testing potentially broken things avoid it.
KFG
Re:Anybody else have problems? (Score:2)
Re:Anybody else have problems? (Score:3, Informative)
There are many open bugs in RedHat's Bugzilla (just search all open bugs for 440GX) which prevent RedHat 9 and newer (FC1, and FC2 included) from being installed.
The last RedHat I have been able to get installed on those machines is RedHat 7.3. So far the only workaround I have found which should work is to rebuild the installation media with a rebuilt kernel which works with that chipset, but I have not
Re:Anybody else have problems? (Score:2)
Upgrading (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Upgrading (Score:3, Interesting)
I tried the YUM upgrade from FC1 to FC2. It worked the first time on a dirt-old Dell Optiplex, but I had to reinstall the printer, sound, and fiddle around with the X config file to get the optical wheel mouse to work. That X config stuff can easily be blamed on the jump from X11 to Xorg.
I tried it again on a newer Gateway E series. I couldn't get X to work no matter how much I fiddled with it. I eventually gave up, backed up my data files, and installed FC2
What are the chances! (Score:3, Interesting)
For once the slashdot effect might actually work in my favor!
Announce Text (Score:5, Informative)
Announcing Fedora Core 3 Test 1
* From: Bill Nottingham
* To: fedora-announce-list redhat com
* Subject: Announcing Fedora Core 3 Test 1
* Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:38:37 -0400
[ witty or not-so-witty reference ]
Yes, it's time for the [number] test release of Fedora Core [number]. Fedore Core [number] includes various new features, such as
KDE [version], GNOME [version], and the [version] kernel.
[call for testing]
[admonition about production use]
Problems with Fedora Core [number] test [number] should be reported via bugzilla, at:
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/
Please report bugs against 'Fedora Core', release 'test1'.
For more information on just what the Fedora Project and Fedora Core is, please see:
http://fedora.redhat.com/
For discussion of Fedora Core test releases, send mail to:
fedora-test-list-request redhat com
with subscribe in the subject line. You can leave the body empty. Or see: https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora -test-list/
As always, you can get Fedora Core test releases at redhat.com, specifically: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux
Or on the following mirrors:
* North America
* USA East
* http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core
* ftp://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/ test/2.90/
* rsync://mirror.linux.duke.edu/fedora-linux-core/te st/2.90/
* ftp://mirror.cs.princeton.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/l inux/core/test/2.90/
* ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/te st/2.90/
* http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/ test/2.90/
* ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/t est/2.90/
* rsync://mirror.hiwaay.net/fedora-linux-core/test/2
* ftp://ftp.net.usf.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2
* http://redhat.secsup.org/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* ftp://redhat.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/co re/test/2.90/
* ftp://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/test/ 2.90/
* http://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* ftp://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* rsync://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downlo ad.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2. 90/
* ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downloa d.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2.9 0/
* rsync://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downl oad.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2
* USA West
* ftp://mirror.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/linux
* Canada
* ftp://less.cogeco.net/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2
* ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/fedora/l inux/core/test/2.90/
* http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/fedora/linu x/core/test/2.90/
* http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/fedora/linux
* ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/fedora/linux/ core/test/2.90/
* South America
* Chile
Re:Announce Text (Score:5, Funny)
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At this rate.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:At this rate.... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:At this rate.... (Score:3, Insightful)
And aren't there updates to FC2? I don't use it, but can't you use yum or something to get patches and bug-fixes? I thought Fedora used yum. S
Re:At this rate.... (Score:2)
Re:At this rate.... (Score:2)
Fedora isn't supposed to be a stable distribution that lets you get your work done in peace. It's a way for redhat to test the newest features before incorporating them into their stable products.
If you want stability, there are plenty of other distributions that fit the bill.
Re:At this rate.... (Score:2)
Re:At this rate.... (Score:3, Informative)
Missing links. (Score:5, Insightful)
Fun stats on the BT tracker (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Fun stats on the BT tracker (Score:2)
Why can't we just agree that GB means GiB.
OSS Development too fast? (Score:4, Insightful)
Sometimes, just sometimes, I get the feeling that Linux distributions are being released too fast for ordinary users to keep up. I mean, FC2 was released about a month back (roughly), and here we are, talking about about FC3 Test 1 already! I guess FC3's slated to be released sometime in October.
The problem with this is that often, packages (rpms) for older distros are discontinued, thus forcing users to upgrade. I know stuff like Yum solves a lot of these issues, but the fundamental problem still remains.
For instance, I was running FC1 with KDE 3.2 Beta 2, which released sometime in December 2003, and wanted to upgrade to KDE 3.2.3 - but I couldn't find any rpms for FC1 at all, only FC2. Since upgrading was on the card anyways, I did download and install FC2, and all's well that ends well, but it did leave me thinking about whether Open Source software products are being released a tad too fast.
I wrote an essay about technology overload [rahulgaitonde.org] [rahulgaitonde.org] on my website. This news post on /. made me instantly think back to that essay.
Re:OSS Development too fast? (Score:2)
Re:OSS Development too fast? (Score:2)
Re:OSS Development too fast? (Score:2)
1) Debian (I prefer LibraNet as the installer, but the current version is a bit old. Doing the upgrades after the install can take most of a day.)
2) K.R.U.D. Kevin's Red Hat Uber Distribution. This is (currently) a patched and stabilized version of Fedora. A yearly subscription is cheap (a CD a month).
Neither of these are as bleeding edge as Fedora. Debian is a bit more flexible if you have a fast internet connection, but to get the recent stuff you need to take some thin
Re:OSS Development too fast? (Score:2)
Re:OSS Development too fast? (Score:3, Interesting)
Let's make a bet... (Score:2, Informative)
Already? (Score:2)
Are they trying to make up for the old RH servers where releases were far and few between?
At this rate it makes them look unpredictable and unuseable in a business who needs something that appears 'stable.'
Re:Already? (Score:2)
Yes.
At this rate it makes them look unpredictable and unuseable in a business who needs something that appears 'stable.'
They don't expect you to use it there.
Honestly, does nobody read the freakin' FAQ before they post opinions about a project anymore?
gcc 3.4....that is ballzy (Score:2)
Please Fix FC2 instead (Score:2, Interesting)
Reminds me of Microsoft, when there was a fault in Win95, and the "fix" was "upgrade to Win98".
"[foo] is broken in FC2" "Fixed in FC3"
Re:Please Fix FC2 instead (Score:4, Insightful)
It's actually a pretty good model, but not one my company can afford, so we are in the process of switching to Mandrake.
Rename it (Score:3, Funny)
On the off chance...
Fedora Core 3 Schedule (Score:2, Interesting)
- GCC 3.4 - those that have looked at rawhide will have noticed this
- GNOME 2.8
- KDE 3.3
- SELinux, yet again. This includes a new 'targeted' policy that monitors specifc daemons with less intrusion than the strict policy in use before.
https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-selinu x -list/2004-May/msg00096.html
- IIIMF - continued evolution of the new input framework
- Ind
Indic language support (Score:2)
New stuff (Score:5, Informative)
- I see the Freedesktop.org HAL [freedesktop.org] code is being included in test1. That will be interesting to see if and how integrated it will be in the final release. We'll probably also see some sort of real udev support this time.
- The timetable for the next official X.org release is planned to sync with Fedora Core 3. I'm a bit skeptical they can make it in time, but it would be really cool if they did. This will be the first X.org to include the new desktop composition extension from Keith Packards kdrive test.
Too Fast For Me -- Moved To Debian (Score:3, Interesting)
* slow stable release cycle
* easier upgrades
* server management and configuration tools
One drawback of the slow release cycle of Debian is that software versions are somewhat old. If you need a newer version of a particular package Debian Backports [backports.org] can help with using newer software with stable Debian releases.
Re:Too Fast For Me -- Moved To Debian (Score:4, Informative)
In other news... (Score:2, Funny)
(j/k, it just seems like a new test release doesn't warrant a mention, perhaps on OSNews)
CB
i dont believe this (Score:2, Funny)
The real BUG problem (Score:5, Informative)
It's fairly hard for a "normal" User on the slim line between an fairly actual system and a productive system. Anyway, new stuff always attracts me a lot (another load of hours lost :-)...
But the problem on Linux and especially with distributions a la Fedora is interoperability. Every version demands it's own RPM archive [freshrpms.net], there isn't just this thing like "xine-0.99xx.rpm" and GO. It's just like DLL Hell on Windows with the difference that it's more complicated to have different versions coexisting (M$ did some tweaks in that area); i know, it's cleaner but under M$ "IT JUST WORKS".
What really needs to get done is a wider adoption of sort of freedesktop.org [freedesktop.org] "standards" like DBUS [freedesktop.org] and a defined versioning System for all those *.so libraries on the system. Apple [apple.com] does some fairly cool tricks in that area with so called "frameworks" which exist as isolated directories and can contain multiple versions of a framework. Combined with late binding, it's just possible to trust a certain frozen API version.
I know it was already a huge step forward that most libraries now feature those xxx-config scripts so that the "user" doesn't have to supply all those directories and stuff for easier building. But let's get serious on that: A "real" user doesn't compile his stuff. And without tackling that matter we won't get serious (and working) package dependencies. And till that doesn't work every distribution is in fact a big bloated testing team trying to figure out the dependencies and building propietary packages that only work with this specific version of the distrib...
BTW I think that's part of the reason why gentoo [gentoo.org] is so successful...
What's Up With This? (Score:5, Informative)
As you can see, the core 3 will be done about October for those using core 2.
Egad! (Score:4, Insightful)
You just released FC2 a few months ago. To be honest, it was lackluster. Bugs and problems are rampant. Really guys, fix up FC2, release FC2.1,2.2,etc first. Then move on to FC3. You guys cannot stay bleeding edge, and noone is expecting you to. That kind of thing is better left to the likes of Gentoo. You just worry about staying a version or two behind bleeding edge, and release a really solid OS that people can move into from Windows and have realatively few problems. Remember, the less problematic a first timer's (n00b, whatever) experience is with Linux, the more likely they will be to sticking around and finding out what this "open source" thing is really all about.
Re:Egad! (Score:3, Insightful)
That's the main problem I have with Fedora.
You guys cannot stay bleeding edge, and noone is expecting you to. [...] Remember, the less problematic a first timer's (n00b, whatever) experience is with Linux, the more likely they will be to sticking around and finding out what this "open source" thing is really all
Re:Egad! (Score:4, Insightful)
While we all know it's not necessarily the case, surely software should tend towards having no bugs (it works with TeX!), and programmers should tend towards being better. This means distros like Fedora are right; they give us the new version of the software, which fixes the bugs in the old one. We all do it with kernels, don't we?
I'd like to try it.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I'd like to try it.... (Score:5, Informative)
Sometimes jokes are funnier the second time around (Score:2, Funny)
Good Fedora release? (Score:4, Informative)
Seriously, though, I think that Fedora 3 stands a chance of being reasonably good for the "average Linux user." By that, I mostly mean going back to the pre-Fedora levels of troubleshooting while improving on the user-friendliness.
I just had a painful weekend trying to upgrade my machines at home. I managed to install FC2 on my desktop without a glitch but the first thing I did (and anyone else would do) after booting up --- trying to update the system --- failed because of two bugs (one of which is in rpm and is supposedly fixed but a new package is not released yet).
My server refused to take any of the newer stuff from Red Hat. It is an VIA mini-ITX box running RH9. I was hoping to update to FC2 but due to a bug in the 2.6.6 and earlier kernels which affects the C3 CPU, the installer can not even start. (Heh! I just found out that there is decent workaround [redhat.com] posted for this one. Who says that posting to Slashdot does not pay out?)
I also tried to install RHEL Academic Edition (which looked like closely derived from RH9) only to discover that it does not support this particular machine (too bad --- I was going to gladly pay the $50 for updates).
From the news in the past couple of months, it looks like most of the latest offerings (not only by Redhat) have had too many issues to be considered decent. It looks like the reason for that is that most problems are bugs in the kernel (firewire, VIA C3 support) or are related to the kernel (Windows dual-boot issue).
With the exception of firewire support, however (which I don't know if it has been fixed in 2.6.7), the issues that concern me have been resolved. Also the publicity around some of the issues gives me hope that the Fedora folks will be a little more careful with the next release. This makes me think that Fedora 3 may finally live up to the expectations.
Fedora Can Go As Fast As They Want IIF (Score:4, Interesting)
My FC2 install is only 1.5 months old. It took me that long to decide to upgrade since the old software was working great. When I did finally buckle down to do it I had to do a CD install. I would rather do a "yum upgrade-distribution" or something else entirely.
Between Debian's slowness of "it will be done when its done" and the neckbreaking speed of Fedora I keep hoping to find some sort of middle ground. I like software to be as progressive as anyone but upgrading is a major pain. If they solve that problem, then the world will beat a path to their door.
Re:That was fast.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Try Gentoo (Score:2, Interesting)
Personally... I can't stand building from source... yes building from source may result in a faster binary which is custom tailored to my system... but building can be a nightmare in terms of time! Recently I built kDevelop 3.0.4 from source and it took 3 hours and 45 min... all because I could not find a suitable RPM for my system.
Re:Try Gentoo (Score:5, Funny)
you mispelled "masterbate to pictures of techTV chicks" as "screw my girlfriend" and "constantly" as "6 hours".
Re:Try Gentoo (Score:2)
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:5, Funny)
--
Kirby Reviews [generalhouseware.com]
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:2)
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:2, Insightful)
A) This is
B) It is a -test1 release
C) This is
Don't let it disappoint you
My personal feeling
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:2)
And by the way, I installed Fedora Core 2 on both my work and home machine, both of which had Windows XP installed (and I had taken care of making room for it beforehand in both cases) and everything was A-OK. I don't think I should have a problem should I want to try out Fedora Core 3 at home...
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:5, Insightful)
If you're afraid of it breaking anything at all, you probably don't want to use it.
If you on the other hand want to help the developers find the bugs at an early stage so they can squeeze the bugs, download it [duke.edu] immediately, start testing and report bugs [redhat.com].
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:5, Funny)
=)
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:5, Informative)
And SuSe [eweek.com] also had that bug.
If you mind not spreading fud and educating yourself have a look at This Page [lwn.net] Which tells you how to not only recover the problem, but avoid it all together.
This crap is really getting old, stop trying to place blame only on Fedora dev's when every distro with 2.6 kernel has this problem okay?
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:2)
I run Gentoo, upgraded to 2.6 and it booted just fine.
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:3, Informative)
I don't know a whole lot about it (since it didn't effect me, it mostly just passed by me), but just because your gentoo system wasn't effected, doesn't mean someone elses wasn't.
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:3, Informative)
If you had a machine where the disk geometry was right (meaning, if you installed Fedora it would cause Windows XP to stop booting), and you installed Gentoo using a liveCD from any distro using the 2.6 kernel, and you installed GRUB (was it GRUB or LILO or both
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Will this break Windows XP installs too? (Score:2, Insightful)
Also, all the links describe how to recover from & avoid this bug by manually entering hard drive geometry information for import into the pa
Re:Screenshots (Score:2, Funny)
Re:4 CD's (Score:5, Informative)
It's got four CDs, einstein, because it's got so damned many apps bundled with it.
Try bundling MS office, MS SQL (two versions of it), exchange, and a few other M$ bloatware apps with XP and THEN come tell me about bloated installs.
You have obviously never installed fedora and if you did you did it to put it on your resume that you are a Redhat expert and have administered it for years.
Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
4 CDs is excessive (Score:4, Insightful)
If you doubt this, look at mepis, or FBSD....
While some choice is good, Fedora is piling on TOO many duplicated items.. Unfortunately this is a common problem with linux distros in general.. Just because its free and you can, doesnt mean you should... Bulk doesnt always mean better..
Re:4 CD's (Score:2)
Plus, to get my Dell CDs replaced, I had to call in three times, one original call, once because they sent me XP Home, once 'cuz they forgot to send XP Pro. To get all 5 FC2 disks took three hours, and I got the warm 'n' fuzzies of usi
Re:4 CD's (Score:2)
Personally, I love having a full-figured (Don't call it fat!) install. I miss the 6-8 CD SuSe distros. But everything works so nice on Fedora...
Re:4 CD's (Score:2)
Re:Gnome 2.8?? (Score:2)
Re:MYSQL 4 (Score:4, Informative)
Re:MYSQL 4 (Score:3, Insightful)
It's easier to install mySQL 4 on Fedora than reinstall OS.
Re:MYSQL 4 (Score:2)
Did you actually read the rest of that thread before jumping to conclusions?
Re:SLOW THE FUCK DOWN! (Score:4, Insightful)
First of all, it's not about "every X weeks". FC1 was released 5 November 2003, FC2 was released 18 May 2004. FC3 is due 18 October 2004.
Secondly, nobody forces you to upgrade. These people are doing their best to improve free (as in libre) software, while you scoff at them. Give me a break.
Re:Give me a break. (Score:2)
Re:SLOW THE FUCK DOWN! (Score:4, Insightful)
Dude, chill.
As has been mentioned many, many times, and is explicitly stated on fedora's homepage, fedora is not in any way an enterprise-ready distribution. It's not meant to be. It's meant to be a testing ground for RedHat Enterprise Linux.
This comes with all appropriate caveats. No one is forcing you to continually install the most bleeding edge software, and if you are doing so in anything other than a troubleshooting/hobbiest/dick-in-the-wind environment, you are asking for a lot of trouble.
Don't blame Red Hat for your obsession with having the absolute latest software installed all the time.
B.
Re:SLOW THE FUCK DOWN! (Score:2)
Then go install one of the many distributions geared toward you, such as RedHat.
Fedora is geared toward the people who DO want or need a new OS install every four months.
Re:Discussion Board (Score:2, Informative)
Now that they have a test release, I would recommend the fedora-test list [redhat.com] to track what is going on with FC3 or the fedora-devel list [redhat.com].
Fear not bugs w/ easy fixes! (Score:2, Informative)
1)Find the drive geometry of your disk (see below).
2)Boot the machine on the install CD.
3)Invoke the installer by typing: linux hda=c,h,s where c,h,s is the number of cylinders, heads and sectors of the disk, respectively.
To find your drive geometry:
1)Boot into linux w/ root (a liveCD is ok).
2)Type: fdisk -l /dev/hda
3)Write down the number of cylinde
Re:Hope FC3 restores some faith... (Score:2)
Re:Time Travel (Score:3, Informative)