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Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community is Available 348

Posted by michael from the 2.6.3-goodness dept.
joestar writes "The new 'Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community' release has just been announced. It provides many new features including Linux 2.6.3, MagicDev, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4, a new Mandrakeonline service and others. Download ISOs are available through torrent for Club Members and 10.0 developers. A 10.0 DVD is also available at MandrakeStore. This a first step for this new exciting Mandrake, because in May, an Official version will appear, and both versions will officially be supported. Happy downloads!"
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  • I wonder (Score:3, Funny)

    by Pingular ( 670773 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:21PM (#8465754)
    Is this 10.0 release more important than the 9.0 release? As 1.0 releases are always more important than 0.9 releases. Hope you can follow my train of thought :)

  • Namechange? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dmp123 ( 547038 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:23PM (#8465776)
    What happened about the namechange?

    We had an article on /. a while back saying that MDKsoft had to change their name due to some French wizard cartoon or similar (I didn't RTFA, of course ;)!

    Is this now resolved?

    David

    • Re:Namechange? (Score:5, Informative)

      by krammit ( 540755 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:28PM (#8465848) Homepage
      They appealed the decision and, through the magic of the court system, the final decision on a name change is years away.

    • Re:Namechange? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by joestar ( 225875 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:38PM (#8465979) Homepage
      If you look at all the 10.0 press releases and features page, you'll see that they slightly changed the wording: "Mandrake Linux" is now written "Mandrakelinux", "MandrakeStore" is written "Mandrakestore" and so on...

    • No, it's an American comic. MandrakeSoft are the ones who are French ;)

      And I just thought I would point out that while there was a comic out way back then that featured a crime solving magician named Mandrake, there was a Canadian, Leon Mandrake, who went by Mandrake the Magician, and he started performing YEARS before this comic came out. He did a bit of ESP, mindreading, and hypnotism, which is what the comic Mandrake the Magician specialized in.

      Either way, the comic syndicate's argument was that

    • Re:Namechange? (Score:5, Funny)

      by aled ( 228417 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @03:54PM (#8467117)
      They are planning to release an USA only distribution named Freedom Drake...

  • First major distro with 2.6 kernel release (Score:5, Interesting)

    by oldosadmin ( 759103 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:23PM (#8465781) Homepage
    I've never used Mandrake, but I am very happy to see a major distribution pick up the 2.6 kernel for regular usage.

    Here's my question: Are 2.6 kernel changes going to affect "Joe User"?

  • Not the first with 2.6... (Score:5, Informative)

    by carl67lp ( 465321 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:26PM (#8465806) Journal
    Gentoo beat Mandrake by a few days, with its 2004.0 release. And yes, I consider this a "major" distribution, folks. It's got some of the best documentation around, too.

    • Re:Not the first with 2.6... (Score:5, Funny)

      by oldosadmin ( 759103 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:30PM (#8465869) Homepage
      Yeah, but it's not done compiling by now, so it doesn't count.

      *rimshot*
    • I thought that the 2004.0 release was a test release?

      At any rate, a Gentoo user compiles his own kernel, right? I know you could use a stage3 kernel, but the documentation that is so wonderful goes through the process of building the kernel yourself. Hence, it doesn't really ship with a 2.6 kernel, just the sources.

      Because of that, you could argue that the distribution I use [www.crux.nu] has been using 2.6 for a long time, since I put the 2.6 sources onto my Crux CD before I install it.

      Besides, I won't consider any

    • The great gentoo documentation (wich I recognises as such from a technical standpoint) made me fail my first attempt to install a gentoo. I was kinda aiming low on purpose but it wasnt enough: I tried a stage3 installation from a live cd, alas the installation documentation mixes in every paragraphe stage1, stage2, and stage3.
      Puzzling at best for the novice, if you want my word on it.
      On the other hand, and before you think I'm too clueless, I started a long time ago with slackware, and recently managed to i
    • SuSE 9 beated Gentoo by a few months :) Was 2.6 ready, its default kernel had backported some of the main 2.6 new features, and had included an optional (er, to be installed manually, but included anyway) 2.6pre-something kernel.

      Anyway, probably SuSE 9 cannot be called properly a 2.6 kernel distribution (but the line is very thin, the argument could go a bit further to say that debian woody cannot be called a 2.4 kernel distribution).

  • Might be worth a look... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by carlmenezes ( 204187 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:26PM (#8465809) Homepage
    ..to check out the new 2.6.3 kernel considering the major changes needed to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel if you've compiled your Linux system from source like I have.

  • When are non-member ISO's.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DeionXxX ( 261398 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:26PM (#8465812)
    going to be made available? 1 week? 2 weeks?

    -- D3X

    NeoX3.com: The One Site for Free Adult Entertainment [neox3.com]

    • Re:When are non-member ISO's.... (Score:5, Funny)

      by imr ( 106517 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:51PM (#8466166)
      9.2 was available around 2 weeks (it felt even more) after the club release. I know, my club contribution had stopped a little bit ealier and my bank really didnt want me to even feed myself at that time.
      Starving and not being able to download your distro, that's really hard times. It could have been worse tho', I could have been on windows.

  • Noteworthy.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by dubdays ( 410710 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:29PM (#8465856)

    One of the best things about the new Mandrake (to me, anyway) is that it's the first fully supported FREE distro that has Samba 3 built into it. In the past, Samba 3 was available for Mandrake, but support for it was flaky. Sure, you could fork out $1000 or more for Red Hat Enterprise, but why? Even SuSE 9.0 had Samba 2.2.x in it. While I'm sure there are things that need to be refined and will be fixed in the "Official" version, it's a great way for us Windows converts to get our feet wet with the new Samba, instead of learning the old way and having to change our approach with the major overhaul in version 3.

    Just my 2 cents....

    • I guess this is why I love Mandrake so much. They really give back to the OSS community without asking for a lot in return. Sure, Debian also does this, but you wait forever for items to exit the "unstable" stage. And not to be a troll/flaimbat, but how many commercial distros really give back to the community to the same extent that Mandrake does? Sure, SuSE has a free installation OVER FTP! Sure, it works, but how many people have the time/connection to do this efficiently? To mirror the entire version
    • Does it have built in SATA support? Because that's what's killing me now...the 2.6 kernel support for certain controllers is fairly sketchy. I'm thinking Silicon Image here...

    • Re:Noteworthy.... (Score:5, Informative)

      by buchanmilne ( 258619 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @03:51PM (#8467077) Homepage
      In the past, Samba 3 was available for Mandrake, but support for it was flaky.

      As maintainer for Mandrake's samba packages, I take exception to that, considering 9.2 had samba-3.0.0 (granted, 3.0.0 had some isses) available in contrib, and parallel-installable, compiled against MIT kerberos-1.3.x, with mostly integrated smbldap-tools etc etc etc.

      Anyway, packages that are 99% like those in 10.0 are also available on the samba mirrors, like:
      http://www.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packa ges/Man drake/RPMS/9.2/
      http://www.samba.org/samba/ftp/Bi nary_Packages/Man drake/RPMS/9.1/

      Note, they are also compiled to install in parallel so as not to mess up installations for people who might use the urpmi media for 2.2.8a packages and by accident get 3.0.x ...

      Anyway, you can install via urpmi (if you have 9.1/9.2 boxen):

      # urpmi.addmedia samba-9.2 \
      http://www.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/ Man drake/RPMS/9.2/ with hdlist-ldap.cz
      # urpmi samba3-server samba3-winbind

      Hopefully I will get around to follow-ups of some [dnsalias.com] documentation [mandrakesecure.net] I did for samba-2.2.x which I think helped bring some cool features to Mandrake users.

      Finally, there are also some nice additions (IMHO) to openldap (but one or two minor bugs that need to be fixed still ...). Makes the whole LDAP+Samba PDC and/or NT domain migration almost painless ...

      BTW, this post seems to insist on putting a space between the n and d in Mandrake in the URLs ... remove it if it makes it to the page ...

  • Which version of KDE 3.2? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dzym ( 544085 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:32PM (#8465899) Homepage Journal
    Is it 3.2.0? Because the KDE devs basically told all packagers that it was buggy shit and "don't use it" and to instead wait for 3.2.1, which was released to distro packagers only a few days ago.

    Seems awfully fast for Mandrake to have already included the 3.2.1 fixes (multimegabyte).

    This is one of the reasons I like Debian, even if I have to wait longer for some (major) things than bloody edged distros like Gentoo.

    • Re:Which version of KDE 3.2? (Score:4, Funny)

      by joestar ( 225875 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:40PM (#8466023) Homepage
      It's 3.2.0 but according to the changelog, they applied many patches.

      >This is one of the reasons I like Debian, even if I
      >have to wait longer for some (major) things than >bloody edged distros like Gentoo.

      Wait for Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official... it will be 100% bug free...

      • Wait for Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official... it will be 100% bug free...

        Right... I guess the bugs that are fixed after 10.0 is released will make it 150% bug free then.

      • ....no way... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Dave_bsr ( 520621 ) <slaphappysal@hotmail.com> on Thursday March 04, 2004 @03:46PM (#8466981) Homepage Journal
        I don't mean to be overly critical of you...and I like Mandrake. But...

        C'mon. seriously. Nothing is every bug free. That's just insane. Nothing, especially something as complicated as an ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM, is every completely, 100% bug free. That's just rediculous.

        Part of the problem MDK has been having, and that their new release system is trying to fix, is that they have a substantially large user/tester ratio. In other words, too many users for the people who are willing to test. A release can go through forty betas and 10 RC's, and fix ALL reported bugs. But without good testers, it will ship and millions of bugs will be found because there wasn't a good variance of testers.

        People expect their software to "just work". But without a lot of testing in a million configurations (especially as current and fast advancing as Mandrake is) that's difficult. Probably impossible.
    • Yes it includes KDE 3.2. Maybe some have noticed Mandrake's recent press release regarding their new development model. The plan is to release a "Community Release", and then a month or two later release the "Official Release" which will be the retail version also.

      In this way, they are offering the best of both worlds, the Community Release, which is fairly stable, much more so than cooker; or for those who need a rock solid release that's been tested for several months, there's the Official Release.

  • You KNOW you wanna call it Mandrake X. (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:33PM (#8465905)
    Because you know you do.
  • I'm not that new to linux, but i don't use it for work and so far I have allways installed it on test systems, allways starting fresh, trying a distro here, another there.

    Eventually I'll have a stable system, with drivers for custom hardware (802.11 USB card), a fine-tuned XFree86.config, shell config scripts, the list goes on.

    In this scenario, how most distros handle the update process? Will I have to strart from scratch again, or is it mostly painless?

    • Re:How updating works? (Score:4, Informative)

      by kundor ( 757951 ) <kundor AT member DOT fsf DOT org> on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:54PM (#8466207) Homepage
      Mandrake has an awesome tool called urpmi.

      If you want to use the gui, it's completely painless. Open the Mandrake Configuration Wizard, go to packaging, click update. By default it only gets security fixes, you'll want bugfixes and general updates as well, so check those, and select all the updates, and click install.

      If you have broadband, one of the first things you should do with mandrake is remove the cd's as package sources (in the gui, just to to packaging->manage media, or something like that, and delete the cd sources) and follow the directions at http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php to add ftp mirrors. Then you can install programs on the command line (as root) by saying "urpmi package." For instance, urpmi gaim will install gaim. "urpmi -y blah" searches. "urpme package" uninstalls. "urpmi --auto-select" updates everything. The gui tools can do all this too.

      • Wow! you just answered a question I've been trying to figure out all day on google. By accident no less. Thanks
      • If you know a part of the package but don't know the name of the package, you can also user urpmf:

        so, I knew I wanted gvim. But gvim isn't the package name.

        $ urpmf gvim vim-X11

        Voila! I wanted vim-X11. Of course, man urpmi on a mandrakelinux box would have told you that anyways.

    • urpmi --auto-select (Score:5, Informative)

      by buchanmilne ( 258619 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @04:16PM (#8467398) Homepage
      1)Remove all media for your old release

      # urpmi.removemedia -a

      (beware, -a removes all media ...)

      2)Add media for your new release. If that's the CDs, insert disk one and do
      # urpmi.addmedia --distrib 10.0-cd removable:///mnt/cdrom

      3)Update urpmi (in future this won't be necessary, the urpmi in 10.0 will automatically update itself if it sees there is an update, and then restart ...)

      # urpmi urpmi

      4)Upgrade everything else
      # urpmi --auto-select

      5)Choose a kernel
      # urpmi kernel

      6)Reboot
      # reboot
      (only if you need to ... but if you don't you will most likely at least want to restart your window manager ..).

      So, in 10.0 (or if you're running a beta or rc or cooker), it about a 3 or 4 step process - new/update media; urpmi --auto-select;urpmi kernel

      Note that if you don't use the installer, some things are not done for you, so read the release notes ...

  • My experience with Mandrake (Score:3, Funny)

    by Muda69 ( 718162 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:36PM (#8465941)
    About two weeks ago I decided to try and install Linux on my old K6-2 450mhz machine gathering dust in the basement. A friend of mine gave me a few cd's that had something called 'Mandrake' on it.

    He said "This is supposed to be the most user-friendly 'distro' out there. Give it a try."

    So with trepidation about wiping out my beloved win98se install on the old machine, I jumped right in.

    On firing up the install disk, the Man-drake installer asked me if I wanted to remove the win98se partition that already existed. After pondering this for several minutes I though, 'what the hell, I can always reinstall it!' So I let it fly.

    After what seemed like 45 minutes of swapping cd's in-and-out of the drive, the man-drake (isn't that some sort of bird?) installer ask me what I wanted to use this linux machine for. So many choices! games, office, mail server, web server, about 2 dozen choices flooded my screen. This is madness! So after carefully considerating my options
    I decided to choose them all! I would be a Linux power-user to end all linux power-users!

    So after this decision was made I waited. And waited. And waited. During this I started to wonder. My Windows XP Home intallation on my other Peecee didn't ask me thse kind of questions, and it easily has the all the abilities that man-drake advertised to have. After all, I paid for WinXP Home. Sigh, I guess this it the price one pays
    for being part of the linux elite.

    Approximately 50 mintues later I get another prompt from the man-drake installer asking me what kind of GUI I wanted to use, KDE or GNOME. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! I selected both and let it fly.

    After only about 20 mintues this time it appeared the install was completed. The mandrake installer told me it was going to reboot and then I would revel in Linux goodness. I waited with baited breath while the reboot churned away, eagerly waiting the opportuntity to use the KDE/GNOME interface. Page after page of command line
    stuff flew by my screen, seeming to get faster and faster as the time of my linux deliverance approached. Then, the screen flashed black (kinda like those scenes from the movie Wargames). I gasped and was presented with something like this:

    bsh: blah/blah/blah/ ____

    What the hell was this? Wasn't this man-drake linux supposed to be user friendly? Instead of the friendly confines of a WinXP like GUI instead I was given an ugly DOS like prompt, which looked supiciously like the TRS-80 system I first learned BASIC on in high school. Is this all the farther the great open-source movement has progressed?

    After serveral minutes of sobbing and knashing of teeth, I came to a decision. All the linux fags out there were not going to defeat me! They were not going to cry "Bend over WinXP boy, you're going to take linux OUR WAY and like it!".

    I quickly found my old musty copy of 'Unix in a Nutshell' from my college days and got to work. In a few hours I found out how to start the KDE GUI. This made life so much easier. After several days I was able to get the machine's 14.4 internal modem working with man-drake and connected to the internet, using a browser called Mozilla. Where oh where were the glorious pop-ups that appeared as I was surfing porn sites? Those bastards!

    After several more days I was starting to feel somewhat comfortable. Using something called Gimp to manipulate my growing collection of adult images was becoming a habit. And because I was ashamed to let my friends and neighbors know I was using a gasp! free operating system like mandrake, I kept the pee-cee in the basement. Now my girlfriend things the sounds emanating from below are me just woodworking or lifting weights. I guess linux has freed me after all!

  • Read/Write Support for NTFS? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Puchku ( 615680 ) <Email&adityanag,com> on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:37PM (#8465971) Homepage
    From: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/10.0/100PR.php3 Server deployments also benefit from interoperability with MS-Windows(R) systems thanks to enhanced support of Windows' Logical Disk Manager and new read/write NTFS support. Last time i checked, the NTFS write support was not mature enough to be used fulltime. Has anyone used this? Is the write support completely reliable? This is an imporatant issue, because it had the unfortunate tendancy of causing the windows install to get screwed. (sometimes, not all times) Thugh of you who have used write support successfully, please comment.
    • Regarding ntfs write support, you can only write to existing files and you can't change the size of the file.

    • Last time i checked, the NTFS write support was not mature enough to be used fulltime. Has anyone used this? Is the write support completely reliable?

      I couldn't say for sure how Mandrake is doing it, but there is fully functional ntfs read/write support out there: Captive NTFS [jankratochvil.net]

    • I'm pretty sure that Mandrake is using the wrapper for the NTFS.sys driver. Read and write work because it's real windows code running. I don't think you can format however.

    • The Captive [jankratochvil.net] is working very nice for me, thoug a bit cpu intensive and slow but otherwise working perfect for my Mandrake 9.2 and the install was easy. here is the discription from the website:

      "Project implements the first full read/write free access to NTFS disk drives. You can mount your Microsoft Windows NT, 200x or XP partition as a transparently accessible volume for your GNU/Linux.

      This compatibility was achieved in the Wine way by using the original Microsoft Windows ntfs.sys driver. It emulates

  • Do they still develop for PPC? It seems like all we get is gentoo these days.
    • Every other version there is a PPC release, and it's not released concurrently to the x86. So if there was a 9.2 PPC, there won't be a 10.0. However, if the last one was 9.1, there will be a 10.0. I don't follow the PPC release schedule beyond that since I don't use Mac, but you can make your determination from that.

      Chris
    • This [penguinppc.org] or maybe this [google.com] should answer your questions.

  • lvm1-lvm2 (Score:2, Interesting)

    by crazyharry ( 711228 )
    What I would like to know is have they provided and easy upgrade (ie automagicly) from 2.4 lvm1 to 2.6 lvm2?
  • man [steele.com] plus drake [julieteacher.com] = Man Drake [courier-journal.com].

  • Personally I like (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Peoplesoft. That name just cracks me up. People....soft. Sounds like another Viagra ad.

  • x86-64 support? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by -tji ( 139690 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:54PM (#8466204) Journal
    Will they have an ISO with x86-64 support for my Athlon 64? If I'm making the jump to kernel 2.6, it might also be a good time to jump to native 64 bit mode..

    • Re:x86-64 support? (Score:5, Informative)

      by kundor ( 757951 ) <kundor AT member DOT fsf DOT org> on Thursday March 04, 2004 @03:08PM (#8466424) Homepage
      amd64 cooker is almost to 10.0. They're still working on the 2.6 kernel, and kde for amd64 seems permanently stuck at 3.1.4.

      The best solution for now is to get the 9.2 amd64 isos, get on cooker servers and update everything (note, this won't be as easy as usual, you might have to manually urpmi a lot of packages), and then install the 2.6.3 kernel yourself.

      If that's not something you're comfortable doing, waiting for the 10.0 amd64 iso to come out is probably a better idea. It may be a month or two though.

  • Mandrake 10.0 should rock (Score:3, Informative)

    by peter_gzowski ( 465076 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @02:55PM (#8466222) Homepage
    I've been using Mandrake Cooker for a few weeks now, and I think kernel 2.6 + kde 3.2 is awesome. My computer feels way faster. There are some problems (I haven't updated in a few days, so these may have gotten fixed):

    1) My HP PSC 2210 USB printer doesn't work (worked in 9.2).
    2) My wife's Sony Vaio has a problem loading the agpgart module on bootup. When I get to the console, I modprobe agpgart and startx, and everything's fine (again, worked in 9.2).
    3) OpenOffice hasn't made any advances in the last couple months (still at 1.1). Not Mandrake's fault, I realize, just a general complaint. OpenOffice is still soooooo slow.

    Anyone know how cooker relates to this version? I'm assuming this is just a snapshot of cooker.

  • wasn't there only 1 RC before the final? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mrscorpio ( 265337 ) <twoheadedboy@@@stonepool...com> on Thursday March 04, 2004 @03:00PM (#8466294)
    Judging on the quality of the final release for 9.2 after 3 RC's and the fact that this is the new "non-official-ala-fedora" release, I'm kinda skeptical on the quality of it. In fact, judging from the comments I read on RC1, THAT release was probably more like the last beta and THIS one is probably more like a release candidate. The one people want is going to be the "official" version in May, I think.

    Chris
    • The one people want is going to be the "official" version in May, I think.

      But that release will be no different if no one WANTS to test this one. It's one thing about whining about waiting for something you don't want to code on or patch, it's another when you don't even want to put in the time to report bugs.

  • I wouldn't dare! (Score:3, Funny)

    by michajoe ( 124916 ) on Thursday March 04, 2004 @04:26PM (#8467560)
    The question is: Will SCO sue me for downloading or do I actually have to be running it to get sued?

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