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LinuxWorld Moving to Boston 242

DMCBOSTON writes " LinuxWorld will be at the Hynes Auditorium in Boston, moving from NY in 2005." I'll be doing a Slashdot BOF at what I guess will now be the last New York LinuxWorld at the end of January 2004. I'll be sad to see this show move, as I always enjoy NY immensely, and seek any excuse to go there. Boston is a whole different story ;)
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LinuxWorld Moving to Boston

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  • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:44PM (#7756166) Homepage
    You know Chicago, Atlanta, Denver, and La would be places that would really benifit from having it rotate through? or how about simply Las Vegas?

    the rest of the country would like to have it closer once in a while...
    • SEATTLE! ;-) This should be a poll option
    • Not Vegas... They already host Comdex every year. I like the idea of more tech shows coming to Boston. I can't wait until the new convention center [hotel-online.com] opens up in Boston. That'll attract a lot of shows that haven't been in this neck of the woods in the past.
      • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:53PM (#7756256) Homepage
        the thing is that Vegas makes it easy for anyone to go.

        airfare to vegas is cheaper than taking a bus. ($49.00 round trip right now from Chicago)
        the hotels ther eare dirt cheap, and there is gobs of entertainment.

        that's why Comdex is set up there.. it's dirt fricking cheap for people to get and stay there. This is the opposite case for Boston.
        • While that's true, I don't think that Vegas would want it. Comdex is the worst couple of weeks in Vegas for business there, since all of the geeks take up space, but spend nothing. As a Vegas regular, I can tell you that NONE of the people working there like Comdex. All of the attendees seem to be cheap bastards who don't know how to have fun. Now, could you imagine COMDEX with only open source people? Jesus Christ. That'd be terrible. It's cheap to get and stay there with the expectation that normal
          • Besides - can you imagine an entire audience of geeks at the Luxor watching Blue Man Group?

            I honestly don't know who would be stranger - the performers or the audience....
          • Alot of it might have to do with the .com crash. WHen programmers were worth 90k a year and CEO's had money coming out of their ears, Vegas loved them.

            Believe it or not I had a former co-worker who used to work at the Mirage and he told me Las Vegas makes over 50% of its revenue from just conventions. ITs HUGE business.

            After 9/11, conventions were cancelled up to a year in advanced. This cut profits in half for alot of casino's.

            Anyway they are still recovering thanks to the poor economy and as long as th
        • Not to mention a whole lot more fun if you have money to gamble. :-)~

      • Since I live right across the street from Boston's new convention center (on D St.) I would be especially eager for Linux World to go there. Heck, I have a big loft, I'd throw a huge Linux-geek party!

        In fact, I'm almost positive that Linux World could use the new convention center for the cost of the overhead only (electricity, staff, etc.). They're desperate to get clients, since after MacWorld dropped out, they don't have any at all lined up.
    • Saint Louis - a bit easier for the middle of the country, a more even split for the coasts, decent airport, some good things to do locally.

      Dallas/Ft. Worth - same reasons.
      • Since I've once lived there for 15 years or so, I can tell you there isn't much to do locally. It's a dead boring city. I was so glad to graduate HS and get the heck out of there. At least if LinuxWorld was in NY, there would be more stuff to do when you're not at LinuxWorld. If it were in St. Louis, you'd be bored to tears after LinuxWorld.
        • Nothing to do in Boston? I guess it depends on which 15 years you spend there -- if you're young and broke, it can be tough, I suppose. I've only been here for about 7 years, and I still can't find enough spare time to take in all the things I want to do and see.

          Of course, I came from the cultural wasteland that is North Florida, so it maybe a perspective thing :)
      • Saint Louis - a bit easier for the middle of the country, a more even split for the coasts, decent airport, some good things to do locally.

        With maybe one flight a day from major cities to get there. That's really not enough for big conventions (not that Linuxworld is classified as big - yet).

    • How about having it in Milwaukee or Madison Wisconsin? Close enough that people from Minneapolis/St. Paul, Chicago, Milwaukee, and Madison could hit it. Plus, we never get any cool stuff here anyways.

    • Denver would be great. It's in the middle(ish) of the country so everyone would have to travel equally far to get to it. Except me, I can drive there in half an hour ;-)

    • How about Redmond ?

      Psim! *runs away*
    • I advocate having Linuxworld in Washington, DC. It would be a good way to increase the visibility and support of Linux by the US Federal government.
    • Yes, vegas would be perfect, but as the SF replacement. IE, go to defcon, take a day off between conferences, then go to linux world without leaving your hotel.
  • Boston isn't such a bad choice. Ximian desktop is just one of several large open source projects are based in Boston, and I hear there is a good open source "following" there.

    Won't make any difference for me though, because I am stuck here in the UK :) Anyone know of any large Linux expos that are forthcoming in the UK?
  • by Alien54 ( 180860 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:47PM (#7756191) Journal
    given MIT, Havard, BU, etc, you may get a very high attendance.

    On the other hand, would it be a good idea to rotate the show among a number of cities in the US and elsewhere?

    • by Dr.Enormous ( 651727 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:54PM (#7756276)
      The concentration of geeks is sufficient to support a sci-fi/fantasy-only bookstore in Cambridge, so I'd say it's a pretty good choice. Add in the tons of biotech and IT startups scattered around 128, and you've pretty much got geek central.
      • Make that the tons of vacant office buildings scattered around 128 (and 495, and Kendall Square). There are very few IT startups left and the big guys are shipping off their labor to India.

        As to bookstores, Pandemonium is still there; but the two tech bookstores, Quantum and SoftPro, are hurting. SoftPro has moved its Burlington store to a Lexington one half the size; the Marlboro store now has little stock and I expect it will go as soon as the lease comes due. Quantum still has tech books and general ref
    • I'm sure WPI will also yield a fair share of geeks there. I wish this had happened sooner, as I'd love to go. Never any good tech conferences around here and New York is always just a little too far most of the time. I'm looking forward to it.
      -N
    • by Anonymous Coward
      An exhibitor's ability to make back the $20-100k+ cost of exhibiting at a single trade show and get a return better than alternative uses of that money is likely more dependent on the concentration of serious large scale information technology buyers and potential partner companies.

      Manhattan has Wall Street and many more corporate headquarters. The number and level of buyers attending LinuxWorld is likely to be much higher. So, it is much easier to believe that the $20-100k+ of total cost to exhibit at a

    • But in New York you have businesses with big pockets.

      The idea of the show was for vendors to make money while us regular geeks got freebies.

      The problem is New York is financial based in terms of businesses. They are not upgraded and have been in recovery for years now. After Y2K businesses began to stop the upgrading. It was just a burst of spending since they needed to upgrade anyway, just upgrade everything.

      Now they ask wait a minute? Didn't we just spend $85 million 3 years ago? How much money did the
    • Put it in Vegas, with free booze and hookers, and you'll get a much higher attendence!
      Pfft, forget the convention.
    • Tufts? What about Tufts?

      Hell, I'm prolly headed there in a year, so you best remember it! =p

      (Course, it might be Brown I go to...not sure yet..)

  • Rrr. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Geekwad ( 309774 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:47PM (#7756194) Homepage
    There's nothing wrong with Boston.
    And there's 30% less city-juice per square mile.
    • By "city juice", are you perhaps referring to what has been called "Mystery Moisture" - the anomalous puddles of liquid[1] that seem to appear on the city sidewalks independant of any normal precipitation?

      Or something else?







      [1] a.k.a. urine
  • by Captain Tenille ( 250795 ) <jeremyNO@SPAMsatanosphere.com> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:47PM (#7756196) Homepage
    There's never any Linux or *BSD conventions in the Northwest. :-(

    Sure, Microsoft's based in Washington, but there are other operating systems found here.

    • There's never any Linux or *BSD conventions in the Northwest. :-(

      You should thank God you don't live in Ohio. People in these parts buy computers because it was on sale at Sears. They don't see anything wrong with the phrase, "I like Juno." Even the geeks speak with "twang". The traveling computer shows stopped coming here because they got tired of explaining why you couldn't connect a USB keyboard to a 386. In Ohio, old men masquerading as consultants buy PC's with twice the computing power of anyone

    • No entirely true. Last year's OpenSource Conference was in Portland and will be there again in 2004. Check out O'Reilly Conferences [oreillynet.com].
  • by Talrias ( 705583 ) <chris.starglade@org> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:47PM (#7756200) Homepage

    And I was to busy grinning ear to ear to notice any serious bloopers.

    from the thats-really-to-bad dept.

    CmdrTaco is really having problems with using "too" rather than "to" today!

  • by qualico ( 731143 ) <worldcouchsurferNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:50PM (#7756221) Journal
    "But Apple Computer immediately threatened to boycott the event showcasing its products, putting the move in jeopardy. After hinting it might keep the show in New York after all, "

    Sounds like they are just testing waters.

    I have not been to a Linux show yet, however, if I had to choose, NY would be the place I'd like to go to one.

    I'll throw this serious question out there...
    What benefits does one get from these shows besides a good excuse to travel and meet others in the industry?

    The Internet seems to have everything I need about Linux.
    • The Boston Globe also cover this story [boston.com]. I think it extremely likely that both MacWorld and LinuxWorld will be held in Boston for the forseeable future.

      I am a native New Yorker who moved to Boston in 1984. I've never been to the Javits convention center in New York. I have been to several convetions at the Hines convention center in Boston. The Hines is great place to hold a convention. It's also a nice location for people from out of town because it is in the middle of the Back Bay neighborhood.

    • But Apple Computer immediately threatened to boycott...

      I'm pretty sure this isn't true, but even if it were, who cares? It's a Linux convention, not a Mac convention.

    • It's a security conference. SANS does a lot of cool things and in the course I took, the instructor was way l337. Very smart, very cool, good presenter. This was stuff I could have picked up on my own but just hadn't gotten around to it. It was an efficient brain-dump. There was a vendor expo I didn't spend any time at, but I could have.

      Pretty vast gulf between that and the typical MCSE track, read-from-the-mandatory-course-book thing I'm used to.

      I'd have no use for a pure vendor expo, though.
    • What benefits does one get from these shows besides a good excuse to travel and meet others in the industry?

      In a job market like this, it's always good to have as many connections as possible.

  • by trickycamel ( 696375 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:51PM (#7756239)
    Seeing that it is NY vs Boston again, here goes...

    Nomah is bettah!
  • First Macworld (Score:2, Insightful)

    by scifience ( 674659 ) *
    First MacWorld, now LinuxWorld? Is NY really that bad of a place?
  • Pardon? (Score:4, Funny)

    by IWantMoreSpamPlease ( 571972 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:54PM (#7756272) Homepage Journal
    >>I'll be doing a Slashdot BOF at what I guess ...

    BOF?? Bastard Operator From.....Boston??
  • $10 (Score:5, Informative)

    by ljavelin ( 41345 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:55PM (#7756291)
    And remember, the so-called "Chinatown bus lines" run between Boston and NYC for $10 a seat (one way). Pretty good if you live in NYC and want to go to Boston for LinuxWorld, but you don't have big $. It's a 4 to 5 hour trip depending on traffic.
    • by k3v0 ( 592611 )
      The Philadelphia Dragon Coach was recently shut down after gambling machines at the station were leaked by a local news station and then investigated by THE MAN
    • Fung-Wah Bus [fungwahbus.com], $20 round trip.
    • And remember, the so-called "Chinatown bus lines" are responsible for gang violence and murder in New York and Boston. If you want to sponsor that, go ahead. Instead, look into Amtrak. It's really not that bad.
    • by krmt ( 91422 )
      I took this (the Fung-Wah bus) over Thanksgiving to go from Boston to NYC. Other than having to wait a while because it was so crowded to get a ticket, I had no troubles. The trip was quick and comfy. On the way back, they sold out of tickets while I was in line, so I had to go Greyhound. Greyhound was three times the cost and ten times the hassle, all for a slower ride on a worse bus. The Fung-Wah rules!
  • by mr_lithic ( 563105 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:57PM (#7756307) Homepage Journal
    If it was moved every year, how about alternating between the East and West Coasts?

    It would allow those who may not be able to travel the width of the US the opportunity to get to a LinuxWorld.

    And hopefully it would get some more dialogue happening between people who would not normally meet other than in a Linux Newsgroup or Forum.

    • Sorry mate should have been clearer.

      I meant switching between more cities on the East and West Coast. The idea of Las Vegas as a West Coast location is not a bad one, along with New Orleans on the East.

      Both of these cities are seasoned conference cities and well able to take care of the crowds from LinuxWorld.

      And as I said before it allows individuals that would not normally have access to these dialogues an opportunity to participate.

    • Central US? (Score:3, Funny)

      by Ann Elk ( 668880 )
      How about Kansas? It's inconvenient enough to piss off everyone, and your boss/wife/whatever will absolutely know it's not just a boondoggle...
  • Being in the midwest, I'd appreciate it if LinuxWorld moved around a bit. If, for example, it were in Chicago, I'd definitely attend. With it in New York, I won't (not can't - won't). Boston is a "probably not". It's more a prejudice on my part against those towns than anything else.

    Other towns mentioned by posters, like Atlanta, or places like St. Louis, Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, etc., are much more "pleasant" to my mind, if further from stuff like Broadway shows and such.

  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:00PM (#7756338) Homepage Journal
    you can find me hanging around, chilling out in my cozy cardboard box under the cambridge bridge. i shall wear my tinfoil hat so you can recognize me.

    how about we hangout a bit, reading and editing slashdot together...i'll buy you a beer if you let me.

  • by jdifool ( 678774 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:00PM (#7756342) Homepage Journal
    Coz Boston's dying... wait ... ... ... am I a newbie ?

    jdif

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:03PM (#7756360)
    Any reason not to have it in Canada. Accomodation is way cheaper than most US cities and Toronto is way cooler than most places (literally :))

    • by doktor-hladnjak ( 650513 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:18PM (#7756481)
      Any reason not to have it in Canada. Accomodation is way cheaper than most US cities and Toronto is way cooler than most places (literally :))

      I had a conversation once with a Canadian professor about SIGGRAPH locations one time. A few years ago, the conference was getting such large attendance that the list of North American cities that could sustain the attendance (facilities, transportation, hotels, etc.) was quite short. Toronto was capable of being on the list, but apparently many companies were strongly against it for logistical reasons.

      The big reason given was that they didn't want to have to deal with getting all of the exhibition stuff (i.e. fancy booths, hardware for demonstration, mercandise to give away, etc.) through customs. For events in the US, they just load everything (of which often there's only one set which is used at all conferences) on a truck and off it goes.

    • Vancouver rules for location. As a Canadian city it has the best beer. Having the largest Chinatown in North America it has great chinese food.
    • I'm from the US and I'd be the first to agree on both points.
  • by doublem ( 118724 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:05PM (#7756368) Homepage Journal
    My girlfriend is involved in event planning, and it's hard enough to plan an event that takes place in the same venue every year. Just changing the facility and keeping the same city is a headache.

    Between the venue's contracts, union woes and all the other issues, you really need people local to the area to avoid being gouged on price at every turn.

    Moving to a new city every year is a cute idea, the the expense and the pain is not worth it. For large events, you'd want to be lining up the staff a t least a year and a half in advance.

    Hell, I remember my girlfriends telling me about the pain from the last time Arisia tried to change the hotel they use!

    Not pretty. Not pretty at all.
  • Just in, news that LinuxWorld is forking. Following the Debian development model, LinuxWorld will henceforth be produced in three parallel versions.

    LinuxWorld Stable ("Boston") will provide only the most tried and tested packages. We can recommend LinuxWorld Stable aka Boston to all those who need reliability and conformity above all.

    Linux World Unstable ("Las Vagas") will provide early access to new packages. We can recommend LinuxWorld LV to those seeking the thrill of the unknown.

    Finally, LinuxWorld Experimental ("Silicon Valley") hosts primarily vapourware packages that are best tried before the coke kick wears off. We recommend LinuxWorld SV to all regular users.

    End of news flash.


  • When you're in San Francisco, the whole country is "the east bay".
  • by lysium ( 644252 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:14PM (#7756448)
    Organized crime runs the Javtis Convention Center, mainly through the unions. Sponsors, vendors, and visitors alike are gouged. Floor space is outrageously expensive (the .Org pavillion barely afforded the 2003 space it was alloted), unionized employees are required for all functional duties (Teamsters for loading/unloading, another union for food prep, a third union for security personnel, etc.) and come with onerous restrictions. And as any Javits visitor can attest, an awful, low-quality lunch will cost you $10.

    I do not blame them for moving to Boston, even though it means that I will miss LinuxWorld next year. Let NYC rot in its own greed, I say....

    ==========

  • way to go (Score:3, Troll)

    by SuperBanana ( 662181 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:15PM (#7756458)
    Boston is a whole different story

    Ahhh, NYC snobbism. Way to go, I'll be sure to stop by and visit you now that you've insulted the city I love. You know what? NYC isn't nearly what it's cracked up to be. I've been. I hated it.

    What does NYC have that Boston(and, for that matter, any other city) doesn't? This "NYC, the greatest city in the world" crap is just that- a bunch of crap.

    Boston vs NYC:

    • Parking is easier(believe it or not)
    • Boston drivers may be insane, but they're reasonably polite. NYC drivers are suicidal- and downright mean.
    • It's safer- crime's a fraction of NYC
    • By the time Linuxworld gets here, the Big Dig will be totally done and traffic smooth- and you'll be able to get to Boston downtown from the airport in a matter of maybe 5-10 minutes, and out of the city in 15. Try that in NYC.
    • Boston/eastern MA is the birthplace of the revolution. 30 minutes out from Boston is Concord, MA- the first major battle in the revolution.
    • Boston actually has charm. NYC has nothing but rudeness, dirt, crime, overpopulation...
    • Where else can you take a tour that's half on land, half on water, SAME vehicle? Hmm?
    • Museum of Science. Museum of Fine Arts. New England Aquarium. Quincy Market. Fanuel Hall. Old Meetinghouse church.
    • MIT. Harvard. Tufts. BC. BU. Northeastern. In fact, MA as a whole has more colleges than any other state- something like 220 total.
    • Our subway costs HALF yours. The system may be dirty+unpredictable, but did I mention it costs half?
    • Our mayor doesn't suck. In fact, he gets re-elected. Imagine that. He also doesn't support a police department that beats up minorities and officers that get routinely arrested for drunk driving.
    • I agree wholeheartedly (except maybe about the polite drivers thing, but better than NY anyway).

      Where else can you take a tour that's half on land, half on water, SAME vehicle? Hmm?

      But in all fairness, the Moby Duck tours in Gloucester use Vietnam era vehicles and thus are certified to, and do, go into the ocean, whereas Duck Tours can only go in the river. Still Boston's closer to these tours than NY also. We've got choices in road/water tourism.
      -N

    • Re:way to go (Score:2, Insightful)

      ive never seen someone whine so much about a city. I think you forgot how good the ppl's hearts are in NY especially since 9-11. Remember the blackout a few months ago. Zero riots. Zero looting. Crime is down. I dont know what your talking about w/ the dirt, crime, rudeness. Guiliani finished his term and it was time for a new mayor. I think every police dept beats up minorities and drives drunk.
      If Boston is the birthplace of the revolution, that means they all rioted. Doesnt it mean its the birthplace of
    • He was poking fun. Relax.
    • Re:way to go (Score:5, Insightful)

      by no reason to be here ( 218628 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:43PM (#7756730) Homepage
      Parking is easier(believe it or not)
      Yes, but in NYC, you don't need a car.
      Boston drivers may be insane, but they're reasonably polite. NYC drivers are suicidal- and downright mean.
      I've driven in both cities. There's really no difference. And, again, you don't need a car in NYC.
      It's safer- crime's a fraction of NYC
      Proof? Crime is in fact very low through most of NYC ('cept south Bronx). Last time I was in NYC, I stayed in a hotel in Harlem. Felt perfectly safe, even coming back to my hotel after midnight.
      By the time Linuxworld gets here, the Big Dig will be totally done and traffic smooth- and you'll be able to get to Boston downtown from the airport in a matter of maybe 5-10 minutes, and out of the city in 15. Try that in NYC.
      I'll give you this one. Then again, I hate Logan Airport. I'd much rather deal with Laguardia or JFK.
      Boston/eastern MA is the birthplace of the revolution. 30 minutes out from Boston is Concord, MA- the first major battle in the revolution.
      This has to do with... If you really want to push a patriotic angle, well, Statue of Liberty, WTC site. Also where the Federalist Papers were published, and the site of the first presidential innauguration.
      Boston actually has charm. NYC has nothing but rudeness, dirt, crime, overpopulation...
      Umm, you didn't go anywhere in NYC, did you? There are plenty of charming places: Little Italy, Chinatown, etc.
      Where else can you take a tour that's half on land, half on water, SAME vehicle? Hmm?
      Museum of Science. Museum of Fine Arts. New England Aquarium. Quincy Market. Fanuel Hall. Old Meetinghouse church.
      MOMA, The Met, The Museum of Natural History, the Guggenheim, Central Park, St. Patrick's Cathedral, Empire State Building.
      MIT. Harvard. Tufts. BC. BU. Northeastern. In fact, MA as a whole has more colleges than any other state- something like 220 total.
      True.
      Our subway costs HALF yours. The system may be dirty+unpredictable, but did I mention it costs half?
      Like you said, it's dirty and unpredictable. You get what you pay for.
      Our mayor doesn't suck. In fact, he gets re-elected. Imagine that. He also doesn't support a police department that beats up minorities and officers that get routinely arrested for drunk driving.
      Umm, what? Giuliani wasn't voted out of office. He was inelligible to run because of term limits. Bloomberg hasn't been up for reelection, yet. And every police department beats up minorities. It's true in boston, NYC, and where I am currently (Dallas). It's also true of Cinncinnatti, LA, Philadelphia, and any other big city.

      Fact of the matter is, I really like boston. My fiance and I will be either living there, NYC, or Austin (depends on where she goes to grad school). However, there is this insane inferiority complex that a lot of bostonians have with regard to new york. But, NYC isn't for everyone. you have to have a certain toughness and attitude. As my fave t-shirt says, "New York: where the weak are killed and eaten."

      Oh, yeah: Red Sox suck. Go Yankees!
      • Cars? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Hoi Polloi ( 522990 )
        "Yes, but in NYC, you don't need a car."

        Join the club, and maybe actually visit Boston before commenting on it. I've lived very comfortably in Boston for a while without a car. The T goes to pretty much anywhere in the city you need to go. The only time you need one is to take road trips, something you'd need a car for in NYC also.
    • Re:way to go (Score:4, Informative)

      by mrisaacs ( 59875 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:49PM (#7756807)
      Dont want to rain on your parade, but according to the latest FBI stats, NYs crime rate is considerably lower than Bostons. In some cases half.

      The raw numbers are much higher, but then there are almost 16X as many more people in NY.

      No-one in their right mind wants to drive in Manhattan, but then no-one really has to, the trains busses and cabs do a pretty good job of getting people around. Sadly they don't serve Javits too well.

    • Re:way to go (Score:5, Insightful)

      by akiaki007 ( 148804 ) <aa316@nyWELTYu.edu minus author> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:06PM (#7756977)
      Well, being from NYC, I have to reply. Yes, I've been to Boston, so I think my answers are justified.

      Parking is easier when compared to Mahattan. There is more to NYC than just 1 borough.

      I'm sorry, but I think Boston driving is worse than NYC driving, and I've done both. Perhaps this is a matter of opinion, but that is what I think. Also, the last time I drove there, there weren't any lane markers on half the roads...that's just silly! Oh, and to make traffic during rush hour faster they turn all the traffic lights to blinking red/orange lights and I got stuck on the wrong end of that light...

      According to recent reports (about 1 week ago) NYC crime rate per population is the lowest of cities larger than 100,000 across the nation. In fact it's dropped over the past 2 years. I'm sorry, but now you're just making things up.

      skipping down a few, because I don't feel like listing every historical site in NYC...Boston vs NYC rudeness is a matter of your opinion. I've actually found the people here to be very nice, if you attempt to try to talk to more than one person. Sure people are rude, but that's the case in Middletown USA as well.

      Museums, you want me to list em? I guarantee you that there are more in NYC that in Boston.

      NYC has the most efficient subway system in the country.

      Our mayor doesn't suck either. What else are you supposed to do when you're deal the worst hand in poker? He's given a terrible situation with terrble deficits with businesses wanting to leave, and he's been able to tough it out and generate money for the city. He might not be able to win again, but he was able to do more with his situation, than most politicians would have been able to.

      Now, given your first statement "Ahhh, NYC snobbism", your's is worse because it's hypocritic. Pathetic. You should learn to do as your say before you expect others to.

      Oh, and just to be a snob...when was the last time Boston won a World Series :)

      • Also, the last time I drove there, there weren't any lane markers on half the roads...that's just silly!
        No no! They always paint the lane markers - the problem is that they are quickly erased by all the people crossing the lines...
      • OK, I have to reply, living in Boston:

        1. Parking sucks in Boston. I take the subway every day - it's very effective. Boston's subway isn't as big as NYC's subway, but then again Boston is a smaller city - maybe the 12th most populus metro area in the US (versus the 1st). Traffic in Boston is relatively easy, even with the Big Dig, but it isn't a grid city like new cities. People visiting LinuxWorld should have an easy time with traffic - they won't be driving thru the North End.

        2. It's reasonably safe
      • Remember, NYC is physically larger than Boston because it swallowed up many of the boroughs around it. If you want to talk about "We have X more of this than you" you'd have to include Boston's neighbors (Cambridge, Brookline, Newton, etc) to make a fair comparison.
      • I'm sorry, but I think Boston driving is worse than NYC driving, and I've done both. Perhaps this is a matter of opinion, but that is what I think. Also, the last time I drove there, there weren't any lane markers on half the roads...that's just silly! Oh, and to make traffic during rush hour faster they turn all the traffic lights to blinking red/orange lights and I got stuck on the wrong end of that light...

        Yes, in addition to lack of lane markings, construction objects that seem to be placed at random

        • there weren't any lane markers on half the roads.

          Haha, I hear this a lot from my friends who live in places where it snows less than an inch a year.

          In general, lines are painted on the road. There are few (if any) in-the-road reflectors or other "more" physical devices.

          That's due to snow plows. You see, snow plows scrape off any in-the-road markers. Plus, add studded snow tires, and then the markers last for about, um, 3 weeks.

          Now, on to painting lines. Boston has very high traffic volumes, and so
    • Boston vs NYC:

      As someone from NY, now living just outside of Boston...

      • Parking is easier(believe it or not)

        Not true. It isn't easier, or cheaper, and you're more likely to need parking in Boston because of the inadequate mass transit system.

      • Boston drivers may be insane, but they're reasonably polite. NYC drivers are suicidal- and downright mean.

        That's an outright lie. 'Reasonable' and 'polite' are two words that should never be used to describe Boston drivers. NYC drivers may not be better, but a

      • I guess you get what you pay for. The Boston subway doesn't cover half the area the NYC system does and runs for about half as long. Bars closing, clubs letting out...good thing you got that great parking space, cause the buses and trains are all in dream land.

        In defense of the T, it's pretty impressive for a city the size of Boston. How many other cities of 500,000 have four distinct subway lines, and 10 commuter rail lines? There's not a subway system in the world that can compare to NYC

    • > * Parking is easier(believe it or not)

      Huh?

      > # Boston drivers may be insane, but they're
      > reasonably polite. NYC drivers are suicidal- and
      > downright mean.

      Huh?

      > # It's safer- crime's a fraction of NYC

      Ok, that's probably true.

      > # By the time Linuxworld gets here, the Big Dig
      > will be totally done and traffic smooth- and
      > you'll be able to get to Boston downtown from
      > the airport in a matter of maybe 5-10 minutes,
      > and out of the city in 15. Try that in NYC.

      Uh-huh, I'll s
  • by cheesedog ( 603990 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:33PM (#7756621)
    Really, I would. It would be a great excuse to take a trip back to Utah, just to see the the jello wrestle fight between Darl McBride and Bruce Parens.

    Come on, you can't tell me that wouldn't beat anything you can see in Boston or NY.

    And I live in Boston, BTW.

  • by WIAKywbfatw ( 307557 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:35PM (#7756633) Journal
    Yeah, like that's a fair trade for Babe Ruth and almost a century of pain.
  • by radicalskeptic ( 644346 ) <x&gmail,com> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:50PM (#7756813)
    I live about a block from the Hynes Conevention Center, and there are about 4 bars right on the other side of the street from the place. But I'm sure that had nothing to do with the decision... nothing at all... ; )
  • Cheaper for me! (Score:2, Informative)

    by BookRead ( 610258 )
    I went to Linux World a couple of years ago. I like NYC generally but the credit card takes a beating. And at the Javits you're hostage to the ridiculously expensive, horrible food.

    Macworld used to be here and had its best attendance here before it went to NYC.

    You probably won't need a car. If it's at the Hynes (rather than the new Convention Center in South Boston) the food court at the Prudential is OK and there's tons of other fun, distracting things to do in the neighborhood. If it's in the new


  • Winchester:"Yes, Massachusetts.."

    M.A.S.H -- running gag.
  • Go see the big dig [bigdig.com] everyone in the US payed $10 billion for. Ain't communism great?

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