LinuxWorld Moving to Boston 242
DMCBOSTON writes " LinuxWorld will be at the Hynes Auditorium in Boston, moving from NY in 2005." I'll be doing a Slashdot BOF at what I guess will now be the last New York LinuxWorld at the end of January 2004. I'll be sad to see this show move, as I always enjoy NY immensely, and seek any excuse to go there. Boston is a whole different story ;)
how about it moving every year ? (Score:5, Interesting)
the rest of the country would like to have it closer once in a while...
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
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Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:5, Interesting)
airfare to vegas is cheaper than taking a bus. ($49.00 round trip right now from Chicago)
the hotels ther eare dirt cheap, and there is gobs of entertainment.
that's why Comdex is set up there.. it's dirt fricking cheap for people to get and stay there. This is the opposite case for Boston.
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:3, Informative)
Vegas (Score:2)
I honestly don't know who would be stranger - the performers or the audience....
Re:Vegas (Score:2)
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
Believe it or not I had a former co-worker who used to work at the Mirage and he told me Las Vegas makes over 50% of its revenue from just conventions. ITs HUGE business.
After 9/11, conventions were cancelled up to a year in advanced. This cut profits in half for alot of casino's.
Anyway they are still recovering thanks to the poor economy and as long as th
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
In fact, I'm almost positive that Linux World could use the new convention center for the cost of the overhead only (electricity, staff, etc.). They're desperate to get clients, since after MacWorld dropped out, they don't have any at all lined up.
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Dallas/Ft. Worth - same reasons.
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
Of course, I came from the cultural wasteland that is North Florida, so it maybe a perspective thing
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
With maybe one flight a day from major cities to get there. That's really not enough for big conventions (not that Linuxworld is classified as big - yet).
how about WI? (Score:2)
Advantages of Denver (Score:2)
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
How about Redmond ?
Psim! *runs away*
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
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Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2, Funny)
i take it you see this as a bad thing? interesting indeed.
Re:how about it moving every year ? (Score:2)
If you really believe that, then you've either never been to Vegas, or you haven't spent enough time discovering the multitude of things Vegas has to offer besides gambling and strippers.
And beyond that, in Vegas I can stay in the same quality hotel room I'd get in either SF or NY, but with a price that lets me stay 2-3x longer.
Not so bad... (Score:1)
Won't make any difference for me though, because I am stuck here in the UK
higher concentration of geeks? (Score:5, Insightful)
On the other hand, would it be a good idea to rotate the show among a number of cities in the US and elsewhere?
Re:higher concentration of geeks? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:higher concentration of geeks? (Score:2)
As to bookstores, Pandemonium is still there; but the two tech bookstores, Quantum and SoftPro, are hurting. SoftPro has moved its Burlington store to a Lexington one half the size; the Marlboro store now has little stock and I expect it will go as soon as the lease comes due. Quantum still has tech books and general ref
Re:higher concentration of geeks? (Score:2)
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Exhibitors aren't paying for geeks (Score:2, Interesting)
Manhattan has Wall Street and many more corporate headquarters. The number and level of buyers attending LinuxWorld is likely to be much higher. So, it is much easier to believe that the $20-100k+ of total cost to exhibit at a
Re:higher concentration of geeks? (Score:2)
The idea of the show was for vendors to make money while us regular geeks got freebies.
The problem is New York is financial based in terms of businesses. They are not upgraded and have been in recovery for years now. After Y2K businesses began to stop the upgrading. It was just a burst of spending since they needed to upgrade anyway, just upgrade everything.
Now they ask wait a minute? Didn't we just spend $85 million 3 years ago? How much money did the
Re:higher concentration of geeks? (Score:2)
Pfft, forget the convention.
Re:higher concentration of geeks? (Score:2)
Hell, I'm prolly headed there in a year, so you best remember it! =p
(Course, it might be Brown I go to...not sure yet..)
Rrr. (Score:3, Insightful)
And there's 30% less city-juice per square mile.
CIty Juice? (Score:2)
Or something else?
[1] a.k.a. urine
Definition of city-juice (Score:4, Funny)
See here [redmeat.com] for more information.
Why not have it in Seattle? (Score:4, Funny)
Sure, Microsoft's based in Washington, but there are other operating systems found here.
Re:Why not have it in Seattle? (Score:2, Funny)
You should thank God you don't live in Ohio. People in these parts buy computers because it was on sale at Sears. They don't see anything wrong with the phrase, "I like Juno." Even the geeks speak with "twang". The traveling computer shows stopped coming here because they got tired of explaining why you couldn't connect a USB keyboard to a 386. In Ohio, old men masquerading as consultants buy PC's with twice the computing power of anyone
Re:Why not have it in Seattle? (Score:3, Informative)
Two words: Cedar Point.
Dear lord! (Score:2)
All we would have to do is port Big Game Hunter, and Bass Fishing games.
Re:Why not have it in Seattle? (Score:2)
its time two go too school two spell to. (Score:4, Funny)
And I was to busy grinning ear to ear to notice any serious bloopers.
from the thats-really-to-bad dept.
CmdrTaco is really having problems with using "too" rather than "to" today!
Re:its time two go too school two spell to. (Score:2, Funny)
You see this in words like 'doh!'
'Doh!' = I or we did something incredibly stupid
'duh' = you or they did something incredibly stupid
Re:its time two go too school two spell to. (Score:2)
The new opposite of 'oll korrect' [straightdope.com]?
Don't count your chickens yet! (Score:3, Funny)
Sounds like they are just testing waters.
I have not been to a Linux show yet, however, if I had to choose, NY would be the place I'd like to go to one.
I'll throw this serious question out there...
What benefits does one get from these shows besides a good excuse to travel and meet others in the industry?
The Internet seems to have everything I need about Linux.
Re:Don't count your chickens yet! (Score:2)
I am a native New Yorker who moved to Boston in 1984. I've never been to the Javits convention center in New York. I have been to several convetions at the Hines convention center in Boston. The Hines is great place to hold a convention. It's also a nice location for people from out of town because it is in the middle of the Back Bay neighborhood.
Re:Don't count your chickens yet! (Score:2)
I'm pretty sure this isn't true, but even if it were, who cares? It's a Linux convention, not a Mac convention.
I went to SANS New Orleans this year (Score:2)
Pretty vast gulf between that and the typical MCSE track, read-from-the-mandatory-course-book thing I'm used to.
I'd have no use for a pure vendor expo, though.
Re:Don't count your chickens yet! (Score:2)
What benefits does one get from these shows besides a good excuse to travel and meet others in the industry?
In a job market like this, it's always good to have as many connections as possible.
Obligatory SNL quote (Score:4, Funny)
Nomah is bettah!
First Macworld (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:First Macworld (Score:2)
Re:First Macworld (Score:2)
Pardon? (Score:4, Funny)
BOF?? Bastard Operator From.....Boston??
$10 (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Oh? (Score:2)
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On the plus side, I'm only a 1/2 hour drive away from Boston! (I'm on the Cape, ya know. Not in the Air Force, but I do live on the Cape). Wee! =)
How about Switching East and West Coast (Score:3, Interesting)
It would allow those who may not be able to travel the width of the US the opportunity to get to a LinuxWorld.
And hopefully it would get some more dialogue happening between people who would not normally meet other than in a Linux Newsgroup or Forum.
Re:How about Switching East and West Coast (Score:2)
I meant switching between more cities on the East and West Coast. The idea of Las Vegas as a West Coast location is not a bad one, along with New Orleans on the East.
Both of these cities are seasoned conference cities and well able to take care of the crowds from LinuxWorld.
And as I said before it allows individuals that would not normally have access to these dialogues an opportunity to participate.
Central US? (Score:3, Funny)
Rotation is good... (Score:2, Interesting)
Other towns mentioned by posters, like Atlanta, or places like St. Louis, Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, etc., are much more "pleasant" to my mind, if further from stuff like Broadway shows and such.
hey cmdrtaco...come meet me (Score:4, Funny)
how about we hangout a bit, reading and editing slashdot together...i'll buy you a beer if you let me.
Don't go there guys !!! (Score:4, Funny)
jdif
Since it says LinuxWorld and not Linux USA (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Since it says LinuxWorld and not Linux USA (Score:5, Informative)
I had a conversation once with a Canadian professor about SIGGRAPH locations one time. A few years ago, the conference was getting such large attendance that the list of North American cities that could sustain the attendance (facilities, transportation, hotels, etc.) was quite short. Toronto was capable of being on the list, but apparently many companies were strongly against it for logistical reasons.
The big reason given was that they didn't want to have to deal with getting all of the exhibition stuff (i.e. fancy booths, hardware for demonstration, mercandise to give away, etc.) through customs. For events in the US, they just load everything (of which often there's only one set which is used at all conferences) on a truck and off it goes.
Re:Since it says LinuxWorld and not Linux USA (Score:2)
Re:Since it says LinuxWorld and not Linux USA (Score:2)
Why moving every year is a BAD idea. (Score:5, Informative)
Between the venue's contracts, union woes and all the other issues, you really need people local to the area to avoid being gouged on price at every turn.
Moving to a new city every year is a cute idea, the the expense and the pain is not worth it. For large events, you'd want to be lining up the staff a t least a year and a half in advance.
Hell, I remember my girlfriends telling me about the pain from the last time Arisia tried to change the hotel they use!
Not pretty. Not pretty at all.
Newsflash - Debian does Dallas! (Score:5, Funny)
LinuxWorld Stable ("Boston") will provide only the most tried and tested packages. We can recommend LinuxWorld Stable aka Boston to all those who need reliability and conformity above all.
Linux World Unstable ("Las Vagas") will provide early access to new packages. We can recommend LinuxWorld LV to those seeking the thrill of the unknown.
Finally, LinuxWorld Experimental ("Silicon Valley") hosts primarily vapourware packages that are best tried before the coke kick wears off. We recommend LinuxWorld SV to all regular users.
End of news flash.
Doesn't matter to me (Score:2, Funny)
When you're in San Francisco, the whole country is "the east bay".
Re:Doesn't matter to me (Score:2)
So you're the guy I saw asking everybody on BART how long until the New York stop!
NYC conventions are a rip-off for all involved (Score:5, Informative)
I do not blame them for moving to Boston, even though it means that I will miss LinuxWorld next year. Let NYC rot in its own greed, I say....
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Good food, courtesy of IBM (Score:2)
It did, however, give the impression (on a gut level?) that IBM was Very Serious about Linux.
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way to go (Score:3, Troll)
Ahhh, NYC snobbism. Way to go, I'll be sure to stop by and visit you now that you've insulted the city I love. You know what? NYC isn't nearly what it's cracked up to be. I've been. I hated it.
What does NYC have that Boston(and, for that matter, any other city) doesn't? This "NYC, the greatest city in the world" crap is just that- a bunch of crap.
Boston vs NYC:
Re:way to go (Score:2)
Where else can you take a tour that's half on land, half on water, SAME vehicle? Hmm?
But in all fairness, the Moby Duck tours in Gloucester use Vietnam era vehicles and thus are certified to, and do, go into the ocean, whereas Duck Tours can only go in the river. Still Boston's closer to these tours than NY also. We've got choices in road/water tourism.
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Re:way to go (Score:2, Insightful)
If Boston is the birthplace of the revolution, that means they all rioted. Doesnt it mean its the birthplace of
Get a sense of humor. (Score:2)
Re:way to go (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, but in NYC, you don't need a car.
Boston drivers may be insane, but they're reasonably polite. NYC drivers are suicidal- and downright mean.
I've driven in both cities. There's really no difference. And, again, you don't need a car in NYC.
It's safer- crime's a fraction of NYC
Proof? Crime is in fact very low through most of NYC ('cept south Bronx). Last time I was in NYC, I stayed in a hotel in Harlem. Felt perfectly safe, even coming back to my hotel after midnight.
By the time Linuxworld gets here, the Big Dig will be totally done and traffic smooth- and you'll be able to get to Boston downtown from the airport in a matter of maybe 5-10 minutes, and out of the city in 15. Try that in NYC.
I'll give you this one. Then again, I hate Logan Airport. I'd much rather deal with Laguardia or JFK.
Boston/eastern MA is the birthplace of the revolution. 30 minutes out from Boston is Concord, MA- the first major battle in the revolution.
This has to do with... If you really want to push a patriotic angle, well, Statue of Liberty, WTC site. Also where the Federalist Papers were published, and the site of the first presidential innauguration.
Boston actually has charm. NYC has nothing but rudeness, dirt, crime, overpopulation...
Umm, you didn't go anywhere in NYC, did you? There are plenty of charming places: Little Italy, Chinatown, etc.
Where else can you take a tour that's half on land, half on water, SAME vehicle? Hmm?
Museum of Science. Museum of Fine Arts. New England Aquarium. Quincy Market. Fanuel Hall. Old Meetinghouse church.
MOMA, The Met, The Museum of Natural History, the Guggenheim, Central Park, St. Patrick's Cathedral, Empire State Building.
MIT. Harvard. Tufts. BC. BU. Northeastern. In fact, MA as a whole has more colleges than any other state- something like 220 total.
True.
Our subway costs HALF yours. The system may be dirty+unpredictable, but did I mention it costs half?
Like you said, it's dirty and unpredictable. You get what you pay for.
Our mayor doesn't suck. In fact, he gets re-elected. Imagine that. He also doesn't support a police department that beats up minorities and officers that get routinely arrested for drunk driving.
Umm, what? Giuliani wasn't voted out of office. He was inelligible to run because of term limits. Bloomberg hasn't been up for reelection, yet. And every police department beats up minorities. It's true in boston, NYC, and where I am currently (Dallas). It's also true of Cinncinnatti, LA, Philadelphia, and any other big city.
Fact of the matter is, I really like boston. My fiance and I will be either living there, NYC, or Austin (depends on where she goes to grad school). However, there is this insane inferiority complex that a lot of bostonians have with regard to new york. But, NYC isn't for everyone. you have to have a certain toughness and attitude. As my fave t-shirt says, "New York: where the weak are killed and eaten."
Oh, yeah: Red Sox suck. Go Yankees!
Cars? (Score:3, Insightful)
Join the club, and maybe actually visit Boston before commenting on it. I've lived very comfortably in Boston for a while without a car. The T goes to pretty much anywhere in the city you need to go. The only time you need one is to take road trips, something you'd need a car for in NYC also.
Re:way to go (Score:4, Informative)
The raw numbers are much higher, but then there are almost 16X as many more people in NY.
No-one in their right mind wants to drive in Manhattan, but then no-one really has to, the trains busses and cabs do a pretty good job of getting people around. Sadly they don't serve Javits too well.
Re:way to go (Score:5, Insightful)
Parking is easier when compared to Mahattan. There is more to NYC than just 1 borough.
I'm sorry, but I think Boston driving is worse than NYC driving, and I've done both. Perhaps this is a matter of opinion, but that is what I think. Also, the last time I drove there, there weren't any lane markers on half the roads...that's just silly! Oh, and to make traffic during rush hour faster they turn all the traffic lights to blinking red/orange lights and I got stuck on the wrong end of that light...
According to recent reports (about 1 week ago) NYC crime rate per population is the lowest of cities larger than 100,000 across the nation. In fact it's dropped over the past 2 years. I'm sorry, but now you're just making things up.
skipping down a few, because I don't feel like listing every historical site in NYC...Boston vs NYC rudeness is a matter of your opinion. I've actually found the people here to be very nice, if you attempt to try to talk to more than one person. Sure people are rude, but that's the case in Middletown USA as well.
Museums, you want me to list em? I guarantee you that there are more in NYC that in Boston.
NYC has the most efficient subway system in the country.
Our mayor doesn't suck either. What else are you supposed to do when you're deal the worst hand in poker? He's given a terrible situation with terrble deficits with businesses wanting to leave, and he's been able to tough it out and generate money for the city. He might not be able to win again, but he was able to do more with his situation, than most politicians would have been able to.
:)
Now, given your first statement "Ahhh, NYC snobbism", your's is worse because it's hypocritic. Pathetic. You should learn to do as your say before you expect others to.
Oh, and just to be a snob...when was the last time Boston won a World Series
Driving outside the lanes (Score:2)
No no! They always paint the lane markers - the problem is that they are quickly erased by all the people crossing the lines...
Re:way to go (Score:2)
1. Parking sucks in Boston. I take the subway every day - it's very effective. Boston's subway isn't as big as NYC's subway, but then again Boston is a smaller city - maybe the 12th most populus metro area in the US (versus the 1st). Traffic in Boston is relatively easy, even with the Big Dig, but it isn't a grid city like new cities. People visiting LinuxWorld should have an easy time with traffic - they won't be driving thru the North End.
2. It's reasonably safe
NYC numbers (Score:2)
Re:way to go (Score:2)
Yes, in addition to lack of lane markings, construction objects that seem to be placed at random
Re:way to go (Score:2)
Haha, I hear this a lot from my friends who live in places where it snows less than an inch a year.
In general, lines are painted on the road. There are few (if any) in-the-road reflectors or other "more" physical devices.
That's due to snow plows. You see, snow plows scrape off any in-the-road markers. Plus, add studded snow tires, and then the markers last for about, um, 3 weeks.
Now, on to painting lines. Boston has very high traffic volumes, and so
Re:way to go (Score:2)
Boston vs NYC:
As someone from NY, now living just outside of Boston...
Not true. It isn't easier, or cheaper, and you're more likely to need parking in Boston because of the inadequate mass transit system.
That's an outright lie. 'Reasonable' and 'polite' are two words that should never be used to describe Boston drivers. NYC drivers may not be better, but a
Re:way to go (Score:2)
In defense of the T, it's pretty impressive for a city the size of Boston. How many other cities of 500,000 have four distinct subway lines, and 10 commuter rail lines? There's not a subway system in the world that can compare to NYC
Re:way to go (Score:2)
Huh?
> # Boston drivers may be insane, but they're
> reasonably polite. NYC drivers are suicidal- and
> downright mean.
Huh?
> # It's safer- crime's a fraction of NYC
Ok, that's probably true.
> # By the time Linuxworld gets here, the Big Dig
> will be totally done and traffic smooth- and
> you'll be able to get to Boston downtown from
> the airport in a matter of maybe 5-10 minutes,
> and out of the city in 15. Try that in NYC.
Uh-huh, I'll s
I'd like to see a LinuxWorld in Linden, Utah (Score:5, Funny)
Come on, you can't tell me that wouldn't beat anything you can see in Boston or NY.
And I live in Boston, BTW.
LinuxWorld moving to from NY to Boston? (Score:5, Funny)
Mmm booze... (Score:3, Funny)
Cheaper for me! (Score:2, Informative)
Macworld used to be here and had its best attendance here before it went to NYC.
You probably won't need a car. If it's at the Hynes (rather than the new Convention Center in South Boston) the food court at the Prudential is OK and there's tons of other fun, distracting things to do in the neighborhood. If it's in the new
Boston? Massachusetts? (Score:2)
Winchester:"Yes, Massachusetts.."
M.A.S.H -- running gag.
Great Opportunity For Non-Bostonians (Score:2)
Re:Strange (Score:1)
Re:Strange (Score:2)
What he said was in quotes. Ha!
Re:Hey Taco! Why not team up with the Ars crew... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:How about Oralndo, FL? (Score:2)