SCO Roundup 471
Time to clear out the bin of the taint of SCO, hopefully we haven't posted these already... The Economist has a piece titled Face Value -- Of Monkeys and Penguins. The EFF is pushing an email campaign about SCO. An anonymous reader submits this completely unverified claim that SCO needs to change the password on their mail server: sco.txt. And another reader presents a theory about SCO's stock performance.
Whatabout paragraph 141? (Score:5, Interesting)
To me, it seemed too important to be not commented. Has it been commented upon since?
Re:Whatabout paragraph 141? (Score:5, Informative)
The precedent set in the Berkeley v AT&T decision counters much of SCO's mindless spew. I got the idea that by the time Rob and Eric got to that point in the rebuttal that they got sick of repeating the same point over and over again, resulting in comments becoming sparser.
Can somebody just hand Halloween IX to the appropriate judges so they can dismiss this thing already and focus on IBM's counterclaims? hehe Stupid SCO.
Re:Whatabout paragraph 141? (Score:3, Informative)
Para 141 merely establishes that Sequent has an agreement with whover was the vendor du jour of UNIX, and makes a claim about the terms of theocntract ... Rob and Eric are only commenting on those parts where they have knowledge and expertise, not on the interpretation of contracts.
IBM's reply says it all:
141 Denies the averments of paragraph 141, except refers to the referenced document for its contents. [that's legalese for "that copntract don't mean what you claim it means]
142 Denies the averments
My sig... (Score:5, Funny)
You read my mind (Score:5, Funny)
There's a
Yes, I posted this story yesterday (Score:5, Informative)
I'm not grousing.
The Economist has captured the issue very well, and in a way that any businessman (your boss, your clients, for instance) will understand.
It has also defined the core of this issue, namely the realignment of the IT industry from old to new, with SCO/MS on the old side, and IBM/OSS/Linux on the new.
I never thought I would see IBM on the right side of IT, but there we have it.
Re:Yes, I posted this story yesterday (Score:5, Interesting)
All as it takes is one sanguine person to turn the tide. Remember that.
(I read about one OSS advocate who @IBM who caught the attention of Mr. Gerstner. That was when I was sober...)
Soko
All as it takes... (Score:5, Funny)
All as it takes is one sanguine penguin to turn the tide...
And this bizarre mental image of a sanguine penguin explaining to Mr Gerstner what the future looked like and why it involved lots of ice and fish.
Re:All as it takes... (Score:2)
Slide, Gerstner!
Adapt and Succeeed (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Adapt and Succeeed (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Adapt and Succeeed (Score:2)
Re:Adapt and Succeeed (Score:4, Informative)
The problems were:
a) IBM wanted to charge a rather high fee for anyone to license the new bus, both to clone manufacturers and to card manufacturers.
b) Card manufacturers found it more expensive to make cards for the new bus, partly because the traces required for the slot contacts had such a tight tolerance requirement.
This spurred the industry to create their own new standard, the VESA bus, which was then superceded when Intel successfully forced the industry to adopt the PCI bus. But that's another story.
Re:Yes, I posted this story yesterday (Score:5, Informative)
When they do roundup postings, they'll typically reject all of the original articles (or all but one) and save a few lines out of each submission.
Captured not so well. (Score:3, Insightful)
I was also disappointed by this:"Roughly as apes and humans allegedly have common ancestors, several operating systems can trace their lineage to UNIX, including Linux."
sco.txt (Score:5, Insightful)
I thought the whole point was to take the high road?
Re:sco.txt (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:sco.txt (Score:2)
You have a disparate mob here running the gamut from *BSD partisans down to us Windows users who find
SCO does not get to do battle on just one front. It would be wrong for the linux-community to attack SCO's servers, but I would strongly suspect that its not the linux-community or even some individuals in it that are doing the attacking. SCO has a lot of enemies and a habit of being nasty
Re:sco.txt fake ? (Score:4, Interesting)
I can't remember how many years ago it became standard to use MD5 sums instead, which are way harder to crack. The only reason to use crypt passwords today is because you had to carry hundreds of users forward, and was not willing to re-issue a new password.
I have now put john the ripper at the job to crack the password, so I can see if the password looks likely to be true.
Re:sco.txt fake ? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:sco.txt fake ? (Score:5, Funny)
Nah, they'll just leave the server down for the weekend. It's cheaper than paying overtime for a tech. They need the money for lawyers.
If they even know they've been cracked.
Re:sco.txt fake ? (Score:5, Funny)
They will leave the server down for the weekend not due to cost issues, but due to PR issues. They want as much PR as they can get.
Tuesday, September 2, 2003.
At SCO headquarters this morning, SCO's CEO Darl McBride was quoted as saying: "Those evil hackers are still attacking SCO's superior Unix servers!". He then added "...and it's all IBM's fault!" "We know that IBM is behind this whole affair, including our poor security. We have evidence that proves it -- but we can't show it to anyone."
"If we were to prove that IBM were behind the attacks on SCO, then the attacks would stop."
Re:sco.txt fake ? (Score:3, Informative)
You know you're in deep water... (Score:5, Interesting)
What I want to see happen, however, is an injunction that holds all funds paid for "Linux licenses" in an escrow account until this matter is settled permanently.
business vs tech presss (Score:5, Interesting)
We finally got to see what was presumably their best evidence, and it was a steaming turd of donkeyshit. They were either lying or were unbelievably negligent. While this was all over geek websites, it didn't make much of a ripple in the business press, and as the last article points out, SCO stock actually got pumped in the business press after the bogus code was released. And the business press is the place to hit SCO -- all they care about is their stock price, and the corporate hacks who determine stock prices don't read Slashdot.
Playing on the defensive as the EFF is doing is good, but we also need to go on the offense more.
People and organizations should contact biz journalists, or write letters to the editors. Send out press releases. Post the information at stock sites -- wherever. If stock traders know how bogus SCO's claims are, it will hurt the fuckwads at SCO. While the SCO story may not be of interest to the general public, it is of interest to the business community. I am sick of seeing unbalanced articles in businessweek or whatever, which contain no viewpoint from the free software software community.
And hackers can go on the offensive by filing lawsuits or threatening such. Send out cease and desist letters and make it public with a press release. Specific people and development teams have been libeled. They have accused the kernel team of theft. Now that code snippets have been made public, further lies by SCO can even be considered as slander against the specific people who contributed that code. And those who are the public face of the kernel team can claim damages as well. While the damages one could claim would not be enough to retire on, it can damage SCO's stock price with the publicity. SCum needs to be told to put up or shut the fuck up.
Stick it to the bastards!
Re:business vs tech presss (Score:5, Interesting)
I need your help idientifying alternative companies for each of them. If you know alternatives to them, please contact me [linux-universe.com] with the information, or reply to this thread.
Re:business vs tech presss (Score:5, Interesting)
They know. Check out the SCOX messages at Yahoo. It's got a high noise to signal ratio, but a lot of people there are shooting down the stock pumpers, and spreading anti-FUD in general.
The reason the stock has been going up is because a company known as Integral Capital Partners has apparently been purchasing a shitload of stock and filed with the SEC that they had over 5% interest in SCO as of 8/22. Interestingly enough, ICP owns the majority of shares in Drugstore.Com, and Melinda Gates (Bill's wife) sits on the board of Drugstore.com.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the real float on SCOX's stock was less than 25% at this point.
Re:business vs tech presss (Score:4, Informative)
I can't take credit for the research on this one. It's reported on Groklaw [weblogs.com], and the research was a joint effort of a couple of people, but mostly Pam Jones (I think that's her last name, it might be "Johnson").
Anyway, the story is heavily linked to the reference documents and Sec filings, so if you are interested you can easily verify the story for yourself there. Pam, aka pj, runs Groklaw and is a paralegel. She started the site to provide information on news stories from a legal research perspective.
When she started the site, the SCO v. IBM story was just breaking, and it became the site's focus. It's since developed a community of tech. and legal commentators who add to the research. If you're interested in in-depth discussions of the details of this case, Groklaw's probably the best resource for it on the web right now.
Re:business vs tech presss (Score:3, Informative)
Re:business vs tech presss (Score:3, Informative)
The price of SCO's stock has NOTHING to do with the merits of their case. It's getting heavy attention from day traders, speculators, and what appears to be careful manipulation ... most of the rises happen on very light volume, and may be "painting the tape" (fake transactions at small volume done just to advance the price)
Re:You know you're in deep water... (Score:4, Insightful)
The EFF is not light-handed on the legal representation side, and if they're coming down on the side of Linux against SCO, then SCO has problems.
Would you rather go up against the EFF's lawyers or IBM's lawyers?
Re:You know you're in deep water... (Score:4, Insightful)
Would you rather go up against the EFF's lawyers or IBM's lawyers?
IBM lawyers will hit you with the legal system.
EFF lawyers will hit you with the justice system.
Being hurt by loads of lawyers and financial punishment hurts, but being defeated by justice, is something very painful and difficult to recover form.
Interesting (Score:3, Interesting)
They run Linux... SMP version even. So I guess Linus can sue them for copyright infringement if they won't follow the GPL? Assuming this is a valid text log. Would a Netcraft report [netcraft.com] count as evidence?
Does this make Sense? (Score:5, Funny)
No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense.
If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
Re:Does this make Sense? (Score:5, Funny)
Hey, this gave me an idea. To really increase visibility of the whole case, maybe someone can get the Onion to do a feature article on it. Here's some suggested headlines:
SCO to Sue God
Darl McBride Caught in Bizarre Love Triangle With Bill Gates, Penguin
Darl McBride to Rename Self Darth McBride, Builds Death Star
SCO Accidentally Sues Self For 10 Billion
Local Man Wonders What Is This SCO Shit
SCO Enters Partnership With Gorzo the Mighty (subtitle: New Corporate Motto: "Seize Him!")
Infinite Number of Monkeys Write UNIX, Sued by SCO
Perception of linux crowd at issue possibly (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Perception of linux crowd at issue possibly (Score:2)
root:6X7liA1zmJhyA:12255:0:10000:::: (Score:4, Funny)
Who cares??? (Score:5, Insightful)
I imagine he is using 'we' in the royal sense meaning 'he.' It's a little shocking to me that so many people are devoting so much time to this. Wouldn't we be better off to just ignore him and let IBM squash him and his claim unnoticed as a something as unsubstantiated as his is should be.
Instead we spend an awful lot of time and energy talking and reading...and making SCO a household word. And worse, making people nervous about linux and open source software in general for (so far) no reason at all. This seems to be a guy who likes to make his money suing people and is getting some free publicity at everyone's expense. Until they are willing to pony up with some real evidence let them slither back to the obscurity more fitting companies that have nothing good to offer.
Re:Who cares??? (Score:3, Insightful)
Then nobody will be speaking out against their frivilous claims. Surely that is a Bad Thing (tm).
Re:Who cares??? (Score:2)
Re:Who cares??? (ESR cares) (Score:2)
yeah, so, like, I heard from the guys who were doing it. I told 'em it wasn't cool 'stop, yo,'and they were like, 'okay.'" Ummhmm. Right. I wonder if he'll stick to the story when the FBI comes looking for the e-mail. DDoS is a crime, remember. ESR, last time I checked, isn't a priest or a reporter....
McBride is mistaken -- Free Software users and producers aren't Communists. There are a few idealists who swallow everything like RMS. There are the pragm
it was interesting at some point... (Score:4, Insightful)
Coming Soon: More Of The Same (Score:2, Interesting)
I think SCO have two strategies here. The main payoff is the licence money paid to them by Microsoft. If they want to safeguard they're only reliable source of income, they need to keep the FUD coming. That means slow development, but a constant sense of threat for IT managers thinking of investing in Linux. The second string, of course, is that they manage to distort the facts enough that they get awarded the rights to linux and can start selling it.
Now the
Frozen core... (Score:5, Funny)
Well, I take that back. I wouldn't be surprised if SCO released that themselves in the hopes that they could catch a OpenSource supporter breaking into their server...
You know you have to watch out for them sneaky commie bastards!
SCO.TXT w/ English trans (Score:5, Informative)
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Subject: schvalne jestli ve SCO ctou ceske servery
From: root <root@mail.sco.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:59:24 -0600
To: redakce@root.cz
jestli ano,
urcite se budou lepe venovat svym serverum.. a nejen tomu nasledujicimu
<b>if yes,
it will be better to get the whole server.. trace/follow the server
mail:/usr/share # hostname -f; uname -a
mail.sco.com
Linux mail 2.4.19-64GB-SMP #1 SMP Fri Feb 7 16:29:22 UTC 2003 i686 unknown
mail:/usr/share # free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 2068160 1997756 70404 0 210712 1527008
-/+ buffers/cache: 260036 1808124
Swap: 2097136 0 2097136
mail:/usr/share # df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda2 2.0G 410M 1.5G 22%
/dev/sda1 99M 10M 84M 11%
/dev/sda8 3.3G 33M 3.1G 2%
/dev/sda6 1012M 35M 926M 4%
/dev/sda5 3.0G 1.6G 1.3G 55%
/dev/sda7 325G 905M 308G 1%
shmfs 1010M 0 1010M 0%
root:6X7liA1zmJhyA:12255:0:10000::::
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Knunov
Re:SCO.TXT w/ English trans (Score:5, Funny)
For what it's worth... (Score:5, Funny)
But I did think that the articles were pretty well written. They were not polarized and edgy(as I would have written it...something along the lines of 'those lying cheating @#$% call my @#$# code @#$@theirs??'.
I also, just for kicks, tried to telnet into the mail.sco.com server. No luck. They don't accept telnet links. That would have been fun ehh?
At first I didn't think they were up, still DDoS...but I was able to ping them. Ping Ping Ping. I only did it once, but I'll bet you guys could ping them too...just to make sure they were still up of course. Purely curiosity.
ok, time for bed (Score:3, Funny)
yup. bedtime. I swear I haven't been watching porno.
Free Lunch! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Free Lunch! (Score:3, Insightful)
Calling linux communistic is like Sara Lee calling the local church ladies communist for holding a bake sale.
Code belongs to copyright holder, not community (Score:2)
The current world of OSS is not at all communist. I can write my code under any license I choose. I respect the right of other people to hold copyright in their creations and to choose their own licenses. And I honor the licenses of all copyrighted materials that I use.
Almost every bit of OSS is legally copyrighted by specific people and corpor
Re:Code belongs to copyright holder, not community (Score:2)
Well, not really. Communism says that words like "your" has no meaning when it comes to property, as property is collectively owned. Property is only owned by someone under capitalism because of the government rules that says it is. From some communist viewpoints, simply owning something is taking the community's property without consent.
Re:Free Lunch! (Score:2)
"It's not about 'free-lunch' and he knows it! This more appropriately equates to 'We don't get the whole free-speech thing.'"
You know, I don't think he does know it. He really does come across as being that stupid. I don't think he gets the free speech thing either.
Thank God (Score:4, Funny)
Yes I can't spell and often leave out whole words let alone the endings of words. Some place I lost 20 IQ points. I am only a slightly above average 120 now. maybe I should have some more to drink.
Weird shit (Score:2, Funny)
*wakes up* AAAAAAAAAAH ! What the hell was THAT ?!
McBride and capitalism (Score:3, Insightful)
There is nothing "capitalist" or "fundamentalist" about McBride--his is a campaign of lies and stock manipulation, and McBride's company is apparently engaging in intellectual property theft. Like so many other dishonest people before him, he is hiding his misdeeds by accusing his opponents of being un-American and communists.
There is nothing "communist" about Linux. Linux has thrived in free market economies because it's a highly efficient way for commercial entities to develop software. Linux is about free markets at their best: goods being produced at marginal costs, which, in the case of software, happens to be zero.
Re:McBride and capitalism (Score:2)
Nice! Now along with commies we'll be HACKERS (Score:5, Insightful)
Please.. Do you know what that will look like to the rest of the world? Maybe Michael should read the Linux Advocacy FAQ, or at least what not to do! [tldp.org]
SCO Story Random Comment Generator (Score:5, Funny)
Re:SCO Story Random Comment Generator (Score:3, Funny)
Body: Soon we'll hear zillion infinities lines plus their dads being bigger than our dads. I found IBM wanting to reduce my hourly rate for SCO bashing as so many people are willing to do it for free! Shhh! You are breaking my concentration! I'm trying to shed a bitter tear for them. And we certainly don't want to mash the SCO executives into a bloody pulp, either. Looks like Dennis' check from IBM finally cleared. This is like the director (?producer, someone else)
Ritchie vs Torvalds: Celebrity showdown ... (Score:2)
Re:SCO Story Random Comment Generator (Score:2)
Those comments aren't random, they appear to be quotes taken directly from Slashdot and probably other message boards. For shame!
Re:SCO Story Random Comment Generator (Score:2)
which is quite much actually what the comments coming nowadays to sco stories look like because it's always basically the same story..
The SEC? (Score:3, Informative)
The last article [threenorth.com] looks like it'd be of interest to the SEC [sec.gov], though I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.
Scopes Monkey Trial (Score:2)
Hopefully any victory over SCO will leave a smoking hole in the ground and no one will admit to ever having had the slightest thing to do with them--but that's just my little hope and dream. :^)
And from the other side... (Score:2)
There is a Wired article quoting Darl McBride [wired.com]. Notably, "We're trying to work through issues in such a way that we get justice without putting a hole in the head of the penguin."
I think maybe he overestimates the size of his gun
Re:And from the other side... (Score:2)
Are you insinuating that Darl has a dinky winky?
A tiny weenie?
A miniscule member?
"Our power grid was just fine until it was shut off by dickless here."-Ray
"Is this true?"-Mayor
"Yes. This man has no dick."-Bill Murray
Dear Comrade McBride.... (Score:5, Insightful)
I still don't get the constant references from Gates, McBride et al about Linux being communist.
In Soviet Russia which was communist in name if not nature, the provision of all goods an services was centralised in the hands of a few, huge agencies. These agencies excercised a vast amount of power over those it "served" and generally with property being theft and all that no-one could truly be said to own their their property, e.g. house, car etc. This basically constitutes the large organisations licencing the use of "their" property to the members of the society and as many dissedents found, these licences could be revoked along with the issue of a new one way licence to Siberia.
The free enterprise west on the other hand, benefitted from competition between many decentralised comapanies, organisations and individuals that in some cases formed alliances and co-operated when it would benefit.
If anything, the behaviour of the vast corporations bears more resemblance to the overpowering Soviet interpretation of communism than Open Source. On the other hand, open source follows the free market evolutionary pattern with projects popping into existence all the time with the weaker pointless ones falling by the wayside and the stronger useful ones maturing.
The open source system negates the need for money as developers receive the kudos of a job well done
In the meantime, please stop giving us this shit about open source and communism. The one thing it offers is freedom of choice and action. I don't remember the Russian people having much of that before the wall came down and I don't see that in any EULA from Microsoft, SCO or any other proprietry software company for that matter.
SCO's MIcrosoft connection? (Score:3, Interesting)
It certainly explains who has been buying SCO stock.
I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
SCOX = BRE-X ? (Score:5, Interesting)
BRE-X was a struggling small town Canadian mining company.
SCOX is a struggling small town Utah software company.
Midland Walsh, one of the principals of BRE-X was famous for suing a former employer and getting a settlement for an undisclosed sum.
Darl McBride, one of the principals of SCOX is famous for suing a former employer and getting a settlement for an undisclosed sum.
BRE-X suddenly said they found these incredibly huge gold deposits in a mine in Indonesia. This despite considerable prior evidence that this mine never contained gold before.
SCOX suddenly says they found these incredibly huge illegal UNIX code deposits in Linux. This despite considerable prior evidence that Linux never contained illegal UNIX before.
BRE-X brought in well-known outside experts (Kavanagh and Francisco) which made their claims of gold found, look more credible. Investors didn't know if these outside experts were directly involved in the search for gold - it later turned out that they weren't.
SCOX brought in well-known outside experts (Boies and Heise) which made their claims of gold found, look more credible. Investors don't know if these outside experts were directly involved in the search for UNIX code - how will it later turn out?
BRE-X said they had their own secret teams of experts, whose identities they couldn't reveal, supporting their claims (assaying of core samples for gold).
SCOX says they have their own secret teams of experts,whose identities they couldn't reveal, supporting their claims (finding illegal UNIX code in Linux).
Industry experts criticized the BRE-X techniques for assaying which were unorthodox, which they say didn't follow industry standard practises, and lacked concrete details.
Industry experts criticized the SCOX techniques for code search which were unorthodox, which they say don't follow industry standard practises, and lack concrete details.
BRE-X's reports (with incredible claims) were criticized by industry experts for the same reasons. The industry experts were ignored.
SCOX reports (with incredible claims) are criticized by industry experts for the same reasons. The industry experts are ignored.
BRE-X kept issuing new reports, with no verifiable concrete details, upping and upping their claims of gold found.
SCOX keep issuing new reports, with no verifiable concrete details, upping and upping their claims of UNIX code found.
Despite the obvious reasons to doubt, media and stock analysts preferred the BRE-X version of events to that of the industry experts. Some stock analysts (Bianchini of Nesbitt Burns) really pushed the stock hard.
Despite the obvious reasons to doubt, media and stock analysts preferred the SCOX version of events to that of the industry experts. Some stock analysts (Cohen of JHC Capital Management) really pushed the stock hard.
As more and more discrepencies in the BRE-X story came to light, the company produced a series of increasingly unsatisfactory explanations, and more outrageous claims, which were disputed by industry experts too.
As more and more discrepencies in the SCOX story come to light, the company produced a series of increasingly unsatisfactory explanations, and more outrageous claims, which were disputed by industry experts too.
The BRE-X stock prise rose and rose on the Toronto Stock Exchange, driven by massive relatively uncritical media coverage.
The SCOX stock prise rose and rose on the NASDAQ, driven by massive relatively uncritical media coverage.
BRE-X insiders cashed out millions of stock. It was a tiny fraction of the total company stock, but still a lot of money to them, especially considering their prior investment in the company was worth a relative pittance.
SCOX insiders cash out millions of stock. It was a tiny fraction
there's an interview on wired aswell (Score:3, Interesting)
my fav quote: "The world is moving to a Unix operating environment, and SCO owns the intellectual property rights to it"
SCO to rule the world then? heh!
Possible explanation of SCOX price (Score:4, Interesting)
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Possible explanation of SCOX price
by: heimdal31 08/29/03 04:34 pm
Msg: 98717 of 98729
I've tried to put some of the information I've gleaned from the SCO board into more easily digestible form.
I think the most interesting one is
http://www.threenorth.com/sco/cohen.html
but all 4 are linked from
http://www.threenorth.com/sco
Yes I am in fact a shameless karma whore (Score:3, Interesting)
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Let's Put SCO Behind Bars [goingware.com]
Also, in the day and a half since posting the link a Google search for "Let's Put SCO Behind Bars" [google.com] went from 2190 to 3250 matches.The article is under a Creative Commons license. Please copy it to your website, your weblog, or other message boards. The markup is very simple and the page completely self-contained to enable easier copying.
There is a UBB code version [goingware.com] for message boards that use that format. When I get some time I'll make a plain-text one suitable for email and usenet news.
Thank you for your help.
Weekly ? (Score:2, Funny)
Daily? (Score:2)
Re:Quick question. (Score:2, Insightful)
When reading all available information from both sides it appears that SCO has a weak case against linux (I am biased, but com'on, non-sensicle statements, back pedaling, inconsistencies, the only evidence shown has been refuted with facts not with "our word against theirs").
With that in mind you might think that shorting their stock would be a good way to make some quick bucks. But beware.
If these people are as deceitful as they appear then there is a high likelihood that they are manipulating
Re:Quick question. (Score:2)
IANAFA but that is my financial opinion.
And great advice at that. I was really thinking of playing this game back in June, but changed my mind when it became obvious that things were not matching up to what was being said.
If you play, you need to know the rules and right now the only ones who know the rules are SCO, Canopy Group, MS, and Sun.
Offhand, I seriou
Re:Warm up that password cracker? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Ahh....my fix... (Score:2)
Re:Mormon (Score:5, Funny)
What "secrets" are you talking about?
Re:Mormon (Score:2)
I will be disclosing portions of the secrets if you are willing to sign an NDA, and realize that the book of Mormon can't be cleaned up without crippling its salvation-inducing capabilities.
Re:Mormon (Score:2)
There's only one "religion" [xenu.net] (and yes, I use that term loosely) that I can think of that uses trade secrets. Remember [theregister.co.uk] them?
Golden Tablets of SCO (Score:2)
Re:Golden Tablets of SCO (Score:2, Informative)
I found this letter [utlm.org] from Professor Charles Anthon of Columbia College (now Columbia University) to be quite interesting. More here [utlm.org].
Re:Anyone fluent in .cz? root.cz (Score:2)
From: root
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:59:24 -0600
To: redakce@root.cz
That seems to be Friday morning, just before 6:00am by my reading.
I also wonder if their mail server may still be vulnerable to this little problem [securityfocus.com]
Re:Suing SCO in small claims court? (Score:2)
No
2. If I'm outside US can a lawyer do this?
Yes, but it's expensive.
Reformulated Claim (Score:2, Interesting)
1. I am a small time kernel contributor. I have about 10-20 lines of code in the linux kernel.
2. My copyrighted work is available to SCO for distribution only under the GPL (which is a copyright licence).
3. Caldera/SCO sold my code for 4 years (and complied to the agreement) - attach press releases detailing Caldera/SCO contributions to the kernel - including their praise of the GPL.
4. As of May Caldera/SCO has breached the GPL as follows:
4.a. Section 3 - SCO does not make the source code to the
Re:What if? (Score:2)
That becomes a violation of a contract, which has to be done in something highre than a small claims court.
Re:Suing SCO in small claims court? (Score:2)
Re:Suing SCO in small claims court? (Score:2)
Because if the GPL is found to be invalid (good luck), then all GPL'd code reverts to standard copyright law, under which no one, SCO included, has the right to distribute any of the code that they didn't write.
Don't forget: GPL != public domain.
Re:Contribute your thoughts about SCO? (Score:2)
I hope no one is pinheaded enough to give you their name and address so they can take a 4-question quiz...
Re:This thread is ? SCO sux? SCO is a clown? (Score:2)
Not quite true. A parenthetical sentence within a sentence should not be punctuated with a full stop. Only parenthetical statements *outside* of a sentence should receive a period.
Otherwise, you are correct.
Re:nmap scan (Score:2)
Re:Devout Mormon??? (Score:2)
Re:Devout Mormon??? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:There is only one last possibility (Score:2)
Re:SCO's business plan (Score:5, Informative)
SCO's business plan:
1. Sell $12 million of UnixWare and OpenServer, at a cost of $14 million. Loss of $2 million.
2. Sell $8 million of "SCO Source" licenses to Microsoft and Sun, at a cost of $2 million. Gain of $6 million.
3. $4 million profit !
SCO has executed this business plan successfully for two quarters now. Read their quarterly earnings announcements at finance.yahoo.com. It's right there. They are already in stage 3 and have been there for six months.
Now, in Step 2, what are Microsoft and Sun getting for their $8 million per quarter? They are getting anti-Linux FUD. Linux takes sales from Microsoft and Sun, and this is a way for Microsoft and Sun to attack Linux without getting their own hands dirty. That's the value-add of using SCO as a sock puppet.
Darl's bragging about the number of press releases from SCO rather than products and customer wins. Well, in my opinion, future "license payments" from Microsoft and Sun may very well be based on the number of anti-Linux press releases that SCO puts out!
Canopy, the parent company of SCO, also has a business model based on suing other companies: $150 million lawsuit settlement from Microsoft, $40 million lawsuit settlement with Computer Associates.
Re:Communistic? (Score:2)
GJC
Re:Hostile takeover of SCO (Score:3, Informative)
It would be impossible. As has been repeatedly detailed here, they are 95% privately held. The shares you would need to buy to take them over simply aren't available on the market.