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Linux 2.6.0-test3 Released 200

Posted by CmdrTaco from the get-your-test-on dept.
xepsilon writes "Linux 2.6.0-test3 has been released. Grab your copy off your local kernel.org mirror and report those bugs! Remember, any bug you find that you don't report is likely to not be fixed in the next release if you don't report it. See the ChangeLog for more details."
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Linux 2.6.0-test3 Released More

Linux 2.6.0-test3 Released

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  • Round 3... (Score:1, Funny)

    by quinkin ( 601839 )
    *DING*

    Q.

  • Can someone in the know sum up the major changes?
    The 4000+ Line changelog is a little too big to read though.

    • Re:Changes (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Being a LKML lurker, here are a few of the new features.

      • Re:Changes (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        A kernel-based trollkit eh? As if user-space trolling were not enough..! ;-)
      • Ahh there was an FBdev rewrite... that'll be why it doesn't work :) If you enable the framebuffer the machine just hangs on boot (tried on two separate machines so I guess it's a general problem).

        Also there's no /dev/pts so you have to recompile KDE to not use it... that was enough for me so I went back to 2.4 until the distros have caught up.

    • Re:Changes (Score:3, Informative)

      by theIG ( 647290 )
      There are a many major improvements including

      Brand spankn' new asyncronous "Deadline I/O scheduler, which will sort requests more agressivly/efficiently

      phat new scheduler that constantly makes decisions no matter how many processes are running on the current machine. Gets rid of the problem of bouncing processes on smp machines that pleagues the current scheduler.

      NAPI keeps kernel from being overridden with device interupts from high speed adapters. TCP offloading an asyncronous I/O help the networ

  • Heh... (Score:1, Funny)

    by Xpilot ( 117961 )
    Slow news day?

    • Re:Heh... (Score:1, Funny)

      by datan ( 659165 )
      I guess so...the 'breaking news' on cnn.com (the one in red banner) is: Britain records its highest temperature on record -- 37.4C (99.3F) at Heathrow Airport and Gravesend in Kent. Details soon.
      • I am getting 37.5C in London, near Tower Bridge .. though probably my digital thermometer isn't as accurate.
    • Indeed it is a slow news day:2.6.0 has been out for a few weeks.

    • Re:Heh... (Score:2, Troll)

      by Kjella ( 173770 )
      You're new here, aren't you user... 117961?! Nevermind.

      Kjella
  • 2.6.0-test2-bk7 seemed to cause no problems to me, well I must try harder to get these pesky bugs nailed down.

  • Heh (Score:5, Funny)

    by Eric(b0mb)Dennis ( 629047 ) * on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:20AM (#6659104)
    Remember, any bug you find that you don't report is likely to not be fixed in the next release if you don't report it.

    Time for some homebrew babelfish

    Translation: Any bug you don't report (But hundreds of others will) might not be fixed, that is, if you don't report it!

    geeze :P slashdot is replacing fark for the laugh factor

  • Payment? (Score:5, Funny)

    by alien_blueprint ( 681111 ) <alien_blueprint@hire d g o ons.org> on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:20AM (#6659106) Homepage Journal
    Great!

    But before I download this, where do I pay my SCO licensing fee?

    • Re:Payment? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Pharmboy ( 216950 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:28AM (#6659154) Journal
      It appears that any kernel version 2.6 is royalty free, since SCO has only claimed IP in 2.4 and 2.5. so go wild.

      • Re:Payment? (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        No, I found sco in the changelog... so it's only a matter of time before payments are required. It's gonna cost big.

        Various schemes failed; immediately deregistering while in the diSCOnnect routine causes crashes because the videodev layer sets some ..
        stack, and which had gone out of SCOpe. ..
        From: Nathan SCOtt

        • Re:Payment? (Score:5, Funny)

          by Pharmboy ( 216950 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:40AM (#6659191) Journal
          No, I found sco in the changelog... so it's only a matter of time before payments are required. It's gonna cost big.

          Various schemes failed; immediately deregistering while in the diSCOnnect routine causes crashes because the videodev layer sets some ..
          stack, and which had gone out of SCOpe. ..

          Maybe this means they will reduce the price for licensing 2.4 kernels to $499, and charge the $699 for the 2.6 kernels, making 2.4 affordable to most people. I bet they are even nice enough to let you upgrade your 2.4 license to a 2.6 license for only $399. Thank god SCO has been so understanding during this time of potential IP infringement.

          Think I will go buy some of their stock now. Surely if they go with this type of licensing of Linux, it will generate lots of good will in the community.

          • Re:Payment? (Score:3, Funny)

            by dnoyeb ( 547705 )
            hehe. speaking of their stock. if you want to know what SCO actually thinks about their law suit, read their 10K SEC filing ;)

            It is notable that MS is solely responsible for giving SCO their first profitable quarter in history.

    • Re:Payment? (Score:1, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      But before I download this, where do I pay my SCO licensing fee?

      I believe this is one of the rare situations where a goatse link would deserve +5, Insightful.

  • Remember, any bug you find that you don't report is likely to not be fixed in the next release if you don't report it.

    Or: Remember, if you find a bug and don't report it, it probably won't get fixed in the next release.

  • Results (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I tried it. It didn't work.
    • Yeah, I downloaded it, and double-clicked the icon in Explorer, and it opened WinZip - WTF is up with that?
      Why can't they make a nice linux-2.6.0.exe or .msi for gawds sake?
    • Funny, but I agree. (With test 2) I couldn't get it to run on a Red hat box. Always kernel panicked.

  • SCO (Score:1)

    by hak hak ( 640274 )
    Has SCO already taken the opportunity to claim this new version as yet another illegal *x derivative?

  • Correct Link (Score:3, Informative)

    by stuartp2003 ( 690681 ) <(moc.suximmoc) (ta) (ptrauts)> on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:26AM (#6659138) Homepage
    This is the correct link to http://kernel.org [kernel.org]
  • I just built -test2!

    Doh!

    wget http://www.kernel.org...blah blah blah

    h

  • What else do you need beside the kernel? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:27AM (#6659147)
    What support tools need to be upgraded? I assume modutils. Which version of GCC is needed? What about stuff like ip_tables, are any changes needed? Maybe someone could post a quick summary of the "gotchas".

    • Re:What else do you need beside the kernel? (Score:5, Informative)

      by geeveees ( 690232 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:34AM (#6659173) Homepage Journal
      You *need* to upgrade modutils, also if you want to use cryptoloop you'll have to get a new util-linux.

    • Re:What else do you need beside the kernel? (Score:5, Informative)

      by etymxris ( 121288 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @11:31AM (#6659595)
      Here's your list of gotchas. [codemonkey.org.uk] Read it carefully before proceeding.

  • Redundant. (Score:4, Funny)

    by AntiOrganic ( 650691 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:27AM (#6659150) Homepage
    "Remember, any bug you find that you don't report is likely to not be fixed in the next release if you don't report it."

    If I don't report it, it won't be fixed if I don't report it?

    Just making sure I need to submit all bug reports twice.

  • Translation (Score:5, Funny)

    by wfberg ( 24378 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:30AM (#6659159)
    If found a bug, by you it is, report it you must, or fixed not it will be. This I sense in the Force. Chances you must take not, that reported by others it is, such a bug. Vigilant always, a kernel tester must be.

    (For those of you who report "Jedi" as your faith on the Census).
    • Nice, but maybe the grammar is a bit too twisted? Here is my take:

      Unstable, this software is. Coveted by the Dark Side* it is. Prepare for bugs or rampant filesystem corruption you must. Be sure young Jedi; a bug, to The Council, you must report. Ignoring bugs leads to apathy. Apathy leads to subservience. Subservience leads to EULA's. EULA's lead to slavery. Slavery leads to Microsoft.

      *[SCO]

  • Huh? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Ambush ( 120586 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:33AM (#6659167)
    Remember, any bug you find that you don't report is likely to not be fixed in the next release if you don't report it.

    But what if I do find a bug that I do report, is it then fixed if I do report it after I've reported it? Or something.

    My head hurts, I think I'll go and lie down now.

    • Sir, I have just ruined your sig :(

      ternary ( P ) Pronunciation Key (turn-r)
      adj.
      Composed of three or arranged in threes.
      Mathematics.
      Having the base three.
      Involving three variables.

      The latter group of people no longer exist, ph34r my power
      • As you said, ternary is base 3.

        Therefore it would follow that;

        Base3 _ Base10

        00 ____ 0

        01 ____ 1

        02 ____ 2

        10 ____ 3 (What I was looking for)

        11 ____ 4

        And so on.

        Or have I mistranslated somewhere? How have you understood it?

  • Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Not a RedHat user, but I'd think it might take a day or two (at the least) for them to release an RPM?

    • Re:RPM for Redhat 9? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Pharmboy ( 216950 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @09:55AM (#6659242) Journal
      You won't see an official rpm from redhat on an experimental kernel. typically, redhat released kernels lag a couple months anyway. You might find 3rd party RPMs, but your mileage will REALLY vary.

      You really don't want to install an rpm of an experimental kernel anyway, you should build it yourself. If you are not familiar with building your own kernel (not trivial, but not that difficult) then you should probably stick with stock kernels, since experimental and/or release candidates tend to have bugs that can break things. Also, anytime to upgrade from 2.4x to 2.6x you can expect potential to break things anyway.

      The best thing is to install the source on a spare box, and compile it yourself, or learn how to if you don't know how. Its not THAT hard, but expect to screw it up a few times at first. Just be sure to update GRUB or LILO (and run lilo).

      I use pretty much stock kernels now, although I will build them on my test boxes, to get a better understanding of changes. The stock kernels from RedHat are pretty good and functional from my experience, unless you need UberOptimized kernels.

      It will likely be a few months AFTER 2.6 is released officially before RH issues and official version. Keep in mind that any 2.x.0 kernel is going to have the MOST bugs anyway. Most production boxes should wait for 2.x.2 releases anyway, unless they absolutely NEED the new features, or you love living on the edge (which if that is the case, you would be building your own kernel anyway).

      • Re:RPM for Redhat 9? (Score:5, Informative)

        by Xpilot ( 117961 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @10:58AM (#6659466) Homepage
        However, if you do want an rpm, there are people at Redhat who do build them ;)

        You can download from here. [redhat.com]
    • Try here:

      http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ [redhat.com]
      But use it at your own risk.

    • Re:RPM for Redhat 9? (Score:5, Informative)

      by AndersM ( 32304 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @10:04AM (#6659278) Homepage

      RedHat's Arjan van de Ven has RPM's here. [redhat.com]

      But: Half the fun of Linux is hand-tweaking your own kernel setup and compiling your own. Why not just do that? =)

      Also, remember that you need to upgrade other pieces as well when going from 2.4 to 2.6 - the module utilities in particular. They are now known as "module-init-tools" [kernel.org]


      • remember that you need to upgrade other pieces as well when going from 2.4 to 2.6 - the module utilities in particular.

        What is the difference between the modutils RPMs and the module-init-tools bz2 files? Arjan van de Ven's directory has modutil RPMs, but no module-init-tools. I've tried Arjan's kernel and modutil RPMs, but I only get a blank screen on boot (before the expected spew of debug traces).

  • One more thing... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Markos ( 71140 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @10:01AM (#6659264)
    Remember, any story posted to slashdot that isn't edited is likely to have errors if it isn't edited.

    Thank you.

  • HTTTP (Score:3, Funny)

    by Joe Enduser ( 527199 ) <joe,enduser&kidsfromfame,nl> on Sunday August 10, 2003 @10:09AM (#6659292) Homepage
    Remember, any text that you send using the HyperText Transfer Text Protocol, if you send it in text, is send in text.

  • Comment removed (Score:4, Funny)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @10:34AM (#6659385)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  • AIRO driver still sucks (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ywwg ( 20925 )
    The airo driver (for cisco wireless cards) still causes kernel panics. Hopefully this card will become usable at some point. For now it's a process of:

    1. compile 2.6-testX
    2. reboot
    3. crash within 5 minutes
    4. reboot, notice dataloss
    5. restore affected files from backup.

    This is the third test, and the third time through!
    • 6. ???
      7. Profit!
    • That's not the right attitude (nor place).

      Stop ranting and start debugging (or grab the closest hacker near you to do it).
    • 0.5) Make sure I'm running ext3 or reiserfs
      6. Send an email to linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
      describing the problem - so maybe it can get fixed.

      Developers don't have time to test every piece of hardware.

      If you do send an email I recommend listing exactly what airo card you have, including your .config, and any messages that you can maybe extract from dmesg (if it left any there).
      If you want to try it again, I assume you get a big OOPS screen with a bunch of stuff like Stack Trace on it.

      Copying this down an
    • The Oronico PCMCIA card is working with one of those PCI to PCMCIA bridges.

      This seems to be the only thing that is working.
      Frame Buffer to scroll bootlog text and show Penguin is not working. (845G graphics)
      USB is not working,
      sound (ens1371) is not working.

      If I knew more, I would sbmit bug reports. I likely screwed up build the options. But I do not know that for sure.

      The wireless networking is the last thing I expected to work!
    • I ran into the same issue
      http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id= 1011
  • I can boot test2 and test3 just fine, but as soon as I log in, I get "stdin: not a tty" and I can't do anything else. Well, I can ftp in...

    I've selected every console related thing I can seein menuconfig... still missing something I guess.
    • Make sure to activate CONFIG_INPUT, CONFIG_VT, CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE and CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE in the configuration. You can find out if you did that by looking into your .config file.

      Do you use devfs? Than you will want to compile devpts, too, and mount it to /dev/pts. The devfs in kernel 2.4 used to have it's own devpts, but this is no longer the case.

  • If you want people to download from a mirror (Score:4, Informative)

    by kasperd ( 592156 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @11:21AM (#6659551) Homepage Journal
    Then link to /mirrors/ [kernel.org] instead of the top of kernel.org. (Some time in the past I was unable to contact kernel.org for days, so I started mirroring the list of mirrors near my country.)
  • Can somebody summarize in one paragraph or so what cool things the new kernel brings to Joe End-User?

    Thanks!

  • gcc (Score:2)

    by MagPulse ( 316 )
    The README says you need to compile it with gcc 2.95.3. Are there any plans on when the 3.x series will be either supported or just switched to? Since I focus on C++, I know 3.x has a lot of improvements in the C++ compiler, but maybe for C it's not such a compelling switch.

  • Here's How to Test Your New Kernel (Score:5, Informative)

    by MichaelCrawford ( 610140 ) on Sunday August 10, 2003 @04:15PM (#6660919) Homepage Journal
    You should test your new kernel more thoroughly than by just casually trying it out on your machine. You can help the kernel developers significantly by doing so. You should also never deploy a new kernel on a production machine, even from a stable source version, unless you have rigorously tested it. While it may work great for everyone else, you may be personally blessed with the discovery of your very own bug, a bug which may cause data loss or significant downtime.

    You should also be aware the Linus gets to release a new kernel whenever he wants. He does this when he thinks its the right time, for reasons that don't always involve reliability. He posts a new kernel release when he feels its ready, often without testing it particularly rigorously, and it has happened quite a few times that Linus has released a new "stable" kernel that turns out to be quite broken. It is actually quite common for the stable releases of the non-86 architectures to be quite buggy.

    Finally, Linus announced on linux-kernel that the reason he released the first 2.4 stable kernel (2.4.0) was because he wanted more widespread testing, not because he felt it was ready to use. I wouldn't be surprised if he does this with 2.6. Both 2.2 and 2.4 went through several releases before they were really stabilized, and 2.4 has never been as reliable as the later 2.2 versions.

    That's why I ask you to read:

    The Open Source Development Lab's [osdl.org] Japan development center [www.osdl.jp] used to have japanese translations of them but they don't seem to be online anymore. I'll track them down and post them here [sunsite.dk] when I can find them.

    I am actively seeking further translations of these and the other articles [sunsite.dk] that are at The Linux Quality Database [sunsite.dk]. The articles are all under the GNU Free Documentation License so you can just grab them and translate away.

    Thank you for your attention.

  • Hard lockup problem? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Laven ( 102436 ) * on Sunday August 10, 2003 @04:32PM (#6660985)
    http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5

    I have been using Arjan's 2.6 kernel RPMS from here. test1 was working fine, but test2 and test3 have this mysterious hard lockup problem after a few hours of uptime and moderate CPU load. Has anyone seen this problem? Already known reported bug?
  • What if you do find a bug, report it to the appropriate mailing list (Linux USB develpment in this case) but no one cares? i.e. it's too small a thing to cause problems for most people, even if it causes your USB device to completely not work. The linux kernel hackers are a *very* exclusive group and it's hard to get anything external in there. The SCO case has made it even more risky now, some untrusted third party might be trying to sneak in some illegal IP.

    I like the concept of open source and all, but

    • "I like the concept of open source and all, but it's not as "open" as it's made out to be."

      Sorry your having problems, but just because your can't get help with your problem doesn't mean open source isn't "open" as you say.

      No one ever said just because you have access to the source code that your were entitled to free tech support.

      If your commenting as a developer and did actually write some code and can't get it added as you've hinted, then maintain your own branch. You know how many people let alone b
      • I don't want tech support. I want the bug fixed, or our patch accepted.

        The problem is that it's clearly a bug in the kernel, but isn't easy to fix. The whole goal is for our consumer USB device to work with as many OSes as possible. It works on Windows and OS X, but this bug stops it from working in Linux. Forking our own would be no good, our customers aren't going to use our own special distribution.

  • Whenever I run this on my laptop it always changes the screen size by turning off the video scaling; it's annoying that I have to reset this each bootup. Does anyone else run into this issue?

    (dell laptop, nvidia card)

  • SATA (Score:2)

    by kavau ( 554682 )
    I guess this might be slightly OT, but what is the current status of Serial ATA support in Linux?

    (I can't keep my eyes off the WD Raptor these days...)

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