Oracle's Infrastructure Now Fully Linux-ized 273
mbadolato writes "An article over at InformationWeek reports
Oracle is aggressively adopting Linux both internally and for its products, despite SCO Group's threats earlier this week that it may sue those who don't pay licensing fees to the company. Chuck Rozwat, an Oracle executive VP, says the company has moved its IT infrastructure to Linux, a year after CEO Larry Ellis issued the mandate. In the coming year, Oracle will move its base development platform to Linux, including putting the open-source operating system on the workstations of 8,000 developers"
Ellis? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Ellis? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Ellis? (Score:2)
Hey SCO! (Score:2)
Re:Hey SCO! (Score:5, Insightful)
I am sure SCO hears the dinner bell. Too bad all they are going to eat is the ashes of their stock certificates.
Nice (Score:4, Interesting)
SCO is no real threat (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:SCO is no real threat (Score:3, Insightful)
but you can bet that sco will get brutally ass-raped if they even try to touch mr ellison's jewels. he's got a big enough ego to go mad about it, and the cash to sue sco into oblivion
Re:SCO is no real threat (Score:5, Interesting)
When it is resolved, if SCO does win(and survives bleeding cash from legal fees), the infringing code will be removed and they're fine anyway. If the infringing code can't be removed [unlikely], then they're banking on Linux being a serious competitor around then anyway and worth the liscensing fees circa 2007.
I'd say it's a pretty safe bet.
Re:SCO is no real threat (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is it that SCO show 80 lines of linux kernel source code that are identical to SCO Unix source code and keep claiming that there are hundreds of identical files. Files - not lines.
Re:SCO is no real threat (Score:2)
Re:SCO is no real threat (Score:4, Interesting)
No, it's because they have those resources to pay the licensing fees should the need arise.
Re:SCO is no real threat (Score:5, Insightful)
Thursday: IBM sues SCO.
Friday: Oracle announces commitment to Linux.
This is a good way to do PR: a rolling wave from different sources.
Objectively, it's the same total amount of commitment to Linux whether everybody does it in one day or they do it three weeks apart. But this timing feeds the news cycle better.
I'm hoping that Google will issue a press release soon. And then a behemoth retailer, like Home Depot. And then a brokerage firm, like Merrill Lynch.
Re:SCO is no real threat (Score:3, Insightful)
Only in the context of database servers. Microsoft does have a monopoly on the desktop regarding office productivity software and gaming. Only recently, have Linux, the BSDs, OpenOffice.org, Mozilla, etc. begun to get enough mind-share such that Microsoft's desktop monopoly is jepardized. Note that Microsoft's monopoly is so entrenched that only FREE products could compe
God I Love It (Score:4, Funny)
Novell buys Symian.
Oracle adopts Linux internally.
And the peasants danced.
Re:Symian? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Symian? (Score:2)
Re:Symian? (Score:2)
Larry Hates Bill (Score:4, Funny)
Half right (Score:3, Informative)
As a target platform for their software, it's perfect. Why run Oracle on Windows if you can use Linux on Intel? And if you don't want to spring for the expensive hardware, you aren't gonna use a proprietary Unix.
Re:Larry Hates Bill (Score:2)
Check this boat out!
http://www.yachtspotter.com/yotw.php
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/americasc u p/ 134648524_newz
What'd they have before? (Score:5, Interesting)
I get the feeling that most large desktop migrations happen from commercial UNIX to linux rather than from Windows to linux. That transition would seem much more difficult and costly.
Also are they using a distribution or are they "rolling their own"?
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually Ellison (like McNealy) is a well know Microsoft hater. Althought Linux is one of the best developement environments available I wouldn't be suprised if the decision to swith to Linux was partially out of spite for Microsoft.
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
Actually, they mostly used Solaris as stated by this ZDNet article [com.com].
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
Course they also said no lay offs.
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:5, Interesting)
The major platform for development was Solaris (and still is at the current time for me and my group). There have been various projects ongoing for awhile now to migrate the development to be Linux based.
And to address the specific question about migrating from Solaris to Linux (not from Windows), there was a plan being deployed in various groups to change the development environment before the Linux plan. The earlier one was to move to small cheap Windows workstations as 'thin' (ha!) clients to rack Solaris machines.
So, the Linux-based plan still shows a large loss of potential Windows licenses (for all the MS-bashers out there).
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:5, Insightful)
Undeniably, a large loss for Sun, too. But this migration fails to demonstrate what many want: that a non-technical workforce can move from Windows to Linux. You have neither a non-technical workforce, nor a workforce that is trained and comfortable with Windows.
Wake me when Geico moves their entire org, including sales agents, to Linux. Until then, while these moves are good, it only demonstrates the preference of engineer types, not marketing types. Unfortunately, there are a lot more marketing types than engineer types in the world.
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't make the assumption that everybody at Oracle is a code writer... there are LOTS, and I mean LOTS, of non-technical people working there. Just because it's a software company doesn't mean that every, or even most, employees are technical. And, most of them were initially running Windows.
Hell, Larry himself will be running Linux instead of Windows, as that's no different than all the marketing people, product managers, doc writers, etc., that are not "technical".
That's about as much of a non-technical workforce as you can get in modern business, even though they may have technical components.
It's not like the coders are going to drop everything and teach people how it all works.
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:3, Interesting)
Don't make the assumption that everybody at Oracle is a code writer... there are LOTS, and I mean LOTS, of non-technical people working there. Just because it's a software company doesn't mean that every, or even most, employees are technical.
I understand that; I would agree that only a sizable minority of the employees are technically inclined. I should have said so in my previous post.
That's about as much of a non-technical workforce as you can get in modern business, even though they may have tec
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
Having spent a lot of time at the Oracle head offices in Redwood Shores, I can tell you that the "technical" staff are hugely outnumbered by the non-technical, and in a switch like this, it's not like the techies are going do drop everything and help or train the non-techies.
I'd imagine that, if anything, Oracle would be in a better position to come up with that "last mile" to help Linu
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:3, Interesting)
Summary (Score:2)
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
I get the feeling that the Linux drive is more a business decision driven from the top. What's the feeling from the guys actually writing the products?
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
And while we're at it, were they using Vi or Emacs? ;-)
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
Of course they use Emacs, everything else is madness. No, the real question is: Are they using GNU Emacs or XEmacs?
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
Or maybe not, if they need to test their software on several major distributions. I would think that one common software setup on a small number of CDs (or DVDs) for the entire organization would be a good for easy maintainance.
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
I hope they kept a few E-Class Suns. I'd hate to think that they don't have the platform I'm running the DB on.
But it makes me wonder if they are running Linux on sun hardware, and if they are, when do we get Oracle for Linux-Ultrasparc?
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2)
Re:What'd they have before? (Score:2, Interesting)
Probably a fair bit of Sun gear has been involved, but I do know that the servers our internal E-Business suite used to run on were HP/UX.
Also, we no longer have any NT file servers - all been migrated to Oracle Files Online running on Linux.
As far a distributions are concerned, pretty much anytime anyone talks about linux here it is RedHat Advanced Server 2.1. Remember - we are talking about servers here. We have a pretty strong relationship with RH, a
8000 developers? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, I'm trolling. You would too, if you had to deal with Oracle on a daily basis---contractual obligations, you see. (Where's my MySQL when you need it?)
Re:8000 developers? (Score:2)
When will they support a modern compiler? OCCI requires 2.95, for jebus' sake!
Re:8000 developers? (Score:5, Insightful)
Could this have something to do with readline being GPL'd, and Oracle not wanting to release sqlplus under it?
Of course, readline (although it already exists) is something, functionnally, which could be reimplemented relatively easily by 8000 developpers.
Re:8000 developers? (Score:2)
Almost certainly so.
But, OTOH, WHY should they not be able to GPL their silly command line client? That thing couldn't possibly have any deeply proprietary code or trade secrets.
Or can the client libraries not be linked to anything GPL? That could be a problem. (I'm not familiar with Oracle's licenses.)
Re:8000 developers? (Score:2)
Re:8000 developers? (Score:3, Insightful)
In most cases the GPL is applied to end-user programs where the only reason to link to them them would be to make a closed-source ripoff. Actually use
Re:8000 developers? (Score:2)
Qt?
Re:8000 developers? (Score:5, Informative)
Most likely.
The readline folks are real fanatics. They've continually denied requests to put readline under LGPL - they want to make sure the only things that use readline are GPLed. That is, they're doing this on purpose.
Because of this debacle, the *BSD camp was forced to come up with the editline library for all their stuff. And then you have stuff like Sun's dbx that has its own readline replacement. And Oracle's SQL client, and Sybase's isql, and sqsh, ....
Now, it's not quite trivial to write a readline replacement because you have to deal with all sorts of crufty, non-portable *nix terminal arcana, but it's also not difficult. The problem is that all readline replacements are incompatible with each other. You can customize readline applications through .inputrc - this is really cool because you can make one binding and it works in bash, gdb, your (GPLed) console mp3 player, etc. However, these bindings won't carry over to FreeBSD's cdcontrol program or Sun's dbx.
The GPL also means that I can't use readline for some program I write for a client because these programs are usually internal company things that the company owns and can license however they want - they won't pay me if I stipulate that the code I wrote (which belongs to them) must be licensed under GPL for such a trivial reason. Since my clients won't be too happy paying me to write stupid terminal IO routines, I'm forced to either use plain old fgets or use editline, which (IMHO) is not as nice as readline.
The fanaticism is costing the *nix community some useful functionality, which is kind of sad.
Re:8000 developers? (Score:2)
A company recieving code for their own use should have no problems with the GPL. Why wouldn't they want source code? Why wouldn't they want the right to redistribute your work as they see fit? Etc... I think its you not they who are wor
Re:8000 developers? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:8000 developers? (Score:2)
Have you tried rlwrap [knoware.nl]? It effectively adds readline support to command-line interactive programs that don't have it. I've used it successfully with SBCL [sourceforge.net] and other relatively complicated command-lines -- so I'm going to guess it'll work with Oracle's too.
Re:8000 developers? (Score:2)
MySQL/Oracle = Apple/Orange (Score:4, Insightful)
Comparing MySQL to Oracle is like comparing a leaking dinghy to the Queen Elizabeth II. MySQL may be used by a lot of companies, but it's still a joke compared to even other open source SQL databases like PostgreSQL. Not to mention it seems like they're always having licensing issues(to the extent that MySQL support has been pulled from the PHP 5.0 development branch).
You want a serious, professional, stable database? Oracle, DB2, Sybase, etc. No money? Try PostgreSQL. MySQL substitutes some crazy locking in place of real transaction support. PostgreSQL not only doesn't need to lock tables for most operations, but it also supports very sophisticated locking. Oh, and did I mention PostgreSQL is object-oriented? The only two thing PostgreSQL is lacking is good replication support in the main release(it's still in development, I believe). That and full text searching is kinda funky(although very sophisticated).
I've seen so many "performance problems" that were due almost entirely to lack of proper database functionality in MySQL.
I can hear the scriptkiddies(PHP scriptkiddies) now chanting "it's lighter weight, it's faster". Guess what? You can make PostgreSQL just as fast if you turn off various sanity checks(these checks are better than what MySQL does) AND the more complete implementation of SQL actually lets you do more powerful(or perhaps efficient) queries. Who finishes a house first, the guy with a hammer and saw, or the guy with a truck full of tools?
Re:MySQL/Oracle = Apple/Orange (Score:3, Informative)
and wow does postgre suck for development. You better get all of your table declarations perfect the very first time and never EVER, EVER have to change them AT ALL, because once you have one row of data in there, forget about it. T
he only way to edit a column definition is to delete it and readd it with the correct properties, which means taking the DB offline, copying the whole table to a temporary table, deleting the offending column, readding the column,
Re:MySQL/Oracle = Apple/Orange (Score:5, Informative)
You, sir, are full of shit. Witness (the output isn't exactly what you'd see because of the crappy lameness filter and the limited Slashdot HTML options):
So: not only can you do the operation without taking the database down, you can do it while within a transaction, and even rollback the entire change if you screw up!
This is under PostgreSQL 7.3.3.
Try that with your vaunted MySQL.
Re:MySQL/Oracle = Apple/Orange (Score:4, Informative)
It is not that painless. We usually do in our db migration scripts:
Works well for any table definition changes. Doesn't require taking the DB offline. Doesn't change order of columns unless you want it.
Ok troll I will bite (Score:2)
Re:Ok troll I will bite (Score:3, Informative)
It seems that people's experiences vary on this. Certainly your complaints were valid in the pre
Re:8000 developers? (Score:2)
I used to have the same problem, until I realized emacs have a sql-oracle mode which calls sqlplus inside a buffer. 'Nouf said!!
Re:8000 developers? (Score:4, Informative)
Do you need sophisticated, automated input? Use sqlloader. Need sophisticated, automated output? Use rman. Need sophisticated, automated schema management? Use sqlplus.
Oracle comes with gobs of very powerful tools, and sqlplus is just not designed to do what you think it should be doing. It seems like you are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. It's like complaining that climbing a fire escape is hard when you live on the third flool. Use the stairs.
BTW, if your doing SW development with oracle, use tora [globecom.se](free) or toad [toadsoft.com]($$$). Both these tools make poking around and doing arbitrary queries a snap. Or, take your pick of the thousands of jdbc-based apps that live on sourceforge.
Re:8000 developers? (Score:2)
If MySQL would seriously be a suitable replacement for Oracle, then you need to talk to your employers, because they're clearly throwing their money away paying for Oracle. MySQL isn't in the same league as Oracle, simple as that.
As for sqlplus, if you're not allergic to Java (and many here seem to be...), there's a very nice Java SQL client available from sourceforge called SquirellSQL [sourceforge.net]. It supports accessing any database that has a JDBC-compliant set of drivers, which a
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Re:Good News (Score:3, Insightful)
Not as big as you'd think (at least not for the developers). The base platform for Oracle (AFIK) is Solaris. The differences between Solaris and Linux aren't that nasty -- besides they already have to be linux-awere in their development tasks, anyways. It'll be a bit more work for the admins who'll need to learn which linux system too
Obligatory Python paraphrasing ... (Score:3, Funny)
PA System: Would Mister Larry Ellis please go straight to the manager's office? I'll repeat that...
(Larry wheels round and listens)
PA System: Will Mister Larry Mellish please go straight to the manager's office?
ad hoc calculator (Score:2, Funny)
Re:ad hoc calculator (Score:3, Funny)
, yada yada (some math) ,
Linux on the desktop (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe this will answer the question "Is Linux ready for the desktop?" for other major corporations. Yes, a developer workstation is a "desktop" if it's their main business machine.
A heavyweight desktop-linux push is what is going to get businesses off the proprietary MS office file formats. When people realize that they are tied to
Re:Linux on the desktop (Score:3, Insightful)
Seriously, developers are the people who run Solaris, HP-UX, Linux, and so help me AIX on their workstations. As often as not, they've got a PC running Windows so they can read their corporate email, but for nearly 20 years, developers in Unix app shops have had Unix workstations on their desk. Putting Linux there says nothing about Linux's readiness for the "desktop" in the general sense.
Re:Linux on the desktop (Score:2)
Yes, a developer workstation is a "desktop" if it's their main business
Agreed, but I don't think you have to rationalize what qualifies as a "desktop" in that way. This move puts the all flaws of the linux desktop in front of 8,000 people ... who can fix them. Think of the bonanza for desktop linux projects if just 1% of these developers started submitting patches.
For an Open Source project, being put on 8,000 office worker desks would certainly be a sign of maturity and acceptance. Getting your project
Oracle in Austin, TX (Score:5, Interesting)
When I suggested at the beginning of the interview that a person would have to be crazy to want to administer 8,000 diskless Linux servers tied to NetApps storage, the interview prompty ended. :)
My conclusion, however, was that Oracle is indeed committed to Linux. In fact they are betting the company on it.
Re: (Score:2)
Nice, but... (Score:4, Informative)
QANTAS, Linux, Sun, Oracle and MS (Score:5, Interesting)
Now, I think Linux is technically great, and I hate the business practices of Microsoft. However, experience at QANTAS says that for us, Linux is not really any threat to Microsoft, it is much more dangerous to Sun. If we switch over to Linux here, we'll be doing Sun out of business, and Microsoft is unscathed. How is that good for the world?
Adoption of Linux on the desktop is a much bigger threat to Microsoft, and much harder to achieve because of inertia.
Oracle not all that serious about Linux desktops (Score:3, Interesting)
Oracle is serious about linux desktops (Score:3, Interesting)
The latest releases of 11i ERP do support running Oracle applications clients out of the box with the standard Sun java plugin under Linux. The certification process isn't done yet however, but we are working on it, so hopefully support for Linux and Solaris clients can be officially announced soon.
Re:QANTAS, Linux, Sun, Oracle and MS (Score:2)
It's not about "Us vs. Microsoft", it's about "Us vs. Proprietary Software".
Some things are services - such as TurboTax. It's software, but it's really an accountant's knowledge of the tax laws for that year embedded in software, and is more of a service than a good.
Others are goods, and are increasingly, commodity goods. An example is the Operating System - rapidly being comm
Re: Imbecility (Score:2)
a) This is an old chestnut (traditionally used to hang sh*t on a different country or other arbitrary grouping).
b) You got it wrong you imbecile...
Begone crack-monkey.
Q.
So with all the cost savings they're getting (Score:5, Funny)
Sometimes I just crack myself up.
Re:So with all the cost savings they're getting (Score:2)
Sure. Like the movie theaters lowered ticket prices after increasing revenue by selling ads before the movies...
It's about time. (Score:4, Insightful)
If every company that Microsoft directly competed with (Oracle, AOL, Sony, Nintendo, IBM, Palm, RealNetworks, Novell, just to name a few) were to boycott Microsoft products for their internal use (still keeping, of course, whatever they need to do development of products which run on or with Windows)
Once the Oracle IT folks finish switching developer desktops over to Linux, they should then begin switching over their administrative staff as well. If Sun can run a multi thousand seat corporate network on *ix, so can any large company. If all Microsoft competitors followed suit, it would create enough momentum to jump-start mainstream adoption of the Linux desktop that much sooner.
has anyone implemented Oracle on Linux (Score:2)
What applications exist where you'd want to go with Sun hardware? Are there any left? My friend's experience was a few years ago. Have things changed?
Re:has anyone implemented Oracle on Linux (Score:2)
Quite honestly, I don't think I'd want to switch to an all-Linux (or mostly-Linux) shop. Solaris is a far more well _designed_ platform to run a company on than Linux.
As for Oracle, well this is only the beginning. I can't imagine too many shops will switch over for another year or two, but
Re:has anyone implemented Oracle on Linux (Score:3, Informative)
A "few years ago" was the height of Sun's dot com bubble. If you wanted to run Oracle reliably, you bought Sun/Solaris/Sparc servers along with expensive storage hardware. Trying anything else was "risky". Compared to now, Linux was far more experimental. Oracle had just announced it was going to support Linux. Oracle's support for linux helped put companies like RedHat and VA Linux on the map. Early pioneers tried Oracle on Linux and bot burned. It's gotten alot better today no
Watching the games of .... (Score:4, Interesting)
A good first step (Score:2, Funny)
Next they should migrate to PostgreSQL for their databases.
Oh. yeah.
More info (Score:5, Interesting)
Rozwat also provided new details on the launch of the Oracle Open Source Development Center -- an online service available through Oracle's online developer network, OTN. The new service will provide developers with software, sample code and extensive tutorials, free-of-charge. Additionally, the company has extended its support for scripting language PHP, including full integration and shipping with Oracle 9i Application Server.
"It is our goal to be a value-add to the developer community," added Rozwat. "With the development of the OSDC and our extended support of PHP, we continue to invest in the Linux development community. This will be an ongoing priority for us." Rozwat also noted that there have been more than 1 million downloads of Oracle software for Linux, illustrating the extensive, growing use of Oracle together with Linux.
But what happens when open source comes after them (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course Microsoft doesn't like open source solutions. Open source solutions are already, and are increasingly so, in direct competition with the products that make up their revenue stream.
Not all of these companies that are jumping on the open source bandwagon are going to be understanding and cooperative when open source comes knocking on their door: their revenue stream.
In fact, I'd venture to guess that the majority of them will be anything but understanding and cooperative. These companies are not adopting open source solutions because they want to advance the common good. They are not doing this out of community spirit. These companies are jumping on the open source bandwagon because they see it as a good economic decision; this is the bottom line.
When their bottom line is threatened, they will turn around, lash out, and bite the hand that feeds them.
They may not succeed, but they will try, and I for one know that I do not want to be the developer contributing to software that infringes whatever wealth of patents they are holding when that time comes.
I do not trust our new corporate bed-fellows.
I do not trust our legal system to protect me from them.
I do not trust our policy makers to even care about protecting me from them.
Oh that I could. Fortunately, or unfortunately, people like me just don't matter in this country of ours.
Well, if nothing else, at least our votes can help the existing power structure project the illusion that we ever had a real, actualizable opportunity to have our interests represented.
And that should be good enough for me, right?
Right?
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Re:But what happens when open source comes after t (Score:5, Insightful)
They either freak out and commit SCOicide, or they try and find more territory.
So far Oracle seems to have been doing the latter. It's not as if there aren't any open source databases, it's just that people trust Oracle to provide features and performance beyond what the alternatives currently deliver. If the alternatives catch up, then Oracle will have to produce something else to make their products more valuable.
And really, is there anything wrong with that? It isn't exactly common economic practice to make a product once and then expect to sell the same product over and over again until the end of time. The Econ 101 rule that price tends toward marginal cost is oversimplified, but it's not that far off, and with software your marginal cost is zero. Even if you never had price warring competitors or open source alternatives to worry about, eventually you run out of customers, who don't need to purchase your product twice because it never wears out.
Re:But what happens when open source comes after t (Score:2)
When this happens, this solution provider will be able to be open to an open source development model. So long as the solution provider finds that the stronger position is to differentiate on the software on which their services are based, or that this software contributes to their ability to differe
About Larry... (Score:2, Funny)
Oracle's database developers reaction? (Score:4, Interesting)
Changing the base development platform is a big move.
The Linux decision seems mainly to be a strategic business move driven from the top.
I'd be very interested to know how Oracle's developers feel towards the Linux move. They're the guys who really know the technical advantages between the various platforms Oracle runs on.
So Larry Ellison is the new Hero??? (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's Larry Ellison. He told us he wants to buy out People Soft and lay off a bunch of people.
But, He's the hero because he likes Linux (more like he hates Microsoft and will use anything to make him top DAWG).
And then look at the "evil" Bill Gates.
He donated $15 Billion to charity and has plans to employ 5000 people.
Yes, I'm happy that Linux is being widely used, but Is it fair to create such a dichotomy of Good and Evil??
Will we demonize Bill Gates and trumpet Larry Ellison as a hero? Aren't they the at least the same breed?
And then, are we any better than Bill Gates? All the "wonderful" things we "would" do if we had his money.
I hate to throw religion into this, but don't judge your neighbor for having a speck in his eye when you have a plank in your own.
Re:So Larry Ellison is the new Hero??? (Score:3, Informative)
Then don't make it a religious statement. What I don't understand is this, how does an announcement of Oracle switching over their developer desktops to Linux have anything to do with making Larry Ellison a hero? Oracle has been saying they plan to move their entire infrastructure to Linux as soon as possible. This is just more of the movement becoming a reality.
Why you want t
Tux Crossing (Score:4, Funny)
Now this is really, really cool. (Score:4, Insightful)
There are lots of stories about how company XYZ is using Linux. However, this one has potential for a *real* benefit to Linux. Why?
Well, when Oracle, with cash flowing out of it's orifices, finds something in Linux that they'd really like to have improved, they have plenty of resources to improve it, which benefits Linux.
If some small, third-world government adopts Linux, that's great. But they're still not going to give anywhere near as much back to Linux as companies like IBM have been able to. Oracle stands a pretty good chance of giving quite a bit back as well, and I think Linux will be much better off for it.
steve
Heard that PeopleSoft will be running on Linux (Score:3, Informative)
Who the !#$% is "various?" (Score:3, Informative)
From the article: Oracle maintains its bullish stance on Linux, despite the copyright, intellectual-property, and unfair competition lawsuits introduced by various players in the market.
Who are the various players? SCO, SCO, and SCO?
This article makes it seem like Linux is the churning center of numberous legal actions by disparate parties, when to the best of my knowledge, there's just one bad apple (SCO) throwing (vague, unsubstantiated) accusations around weekly.
Surely if there were other Linux-related legal actions going on /. would be covering them daily!
Resigned Sept 2002 (Score:3, Informative)
WTF?? (Score:2)
I object to one, and support the other. Sorry if that is a difficult concept for your addled intellect to comprehende.
Q.
Oh stop your bellyaching. (Score:4, Informative)
have gotten it to work [gw.com]