Intel's Linux Based Home Media Gateway 158
An anonymous reader writes "This article at LinuxDevices.com takes a look at a new 'home media gateway' design that was unveiled today by Intel at the Intel Developer Forum in San Jose, CA. The device is expected to be manufactured by multiple consumer electronics manufacturers in Asia, and will enable the distribution of PC digital media to TVs and stereos throughout the home.
The gadget is based on one of Intel's new XScale processors running a customized version of Linux, provides support for JPEG, MP3, and WMA digital content, utilizes 802.11b wireless networking, and supports NTSC/PAL/S-video TV connections and AC-97 stereo connection. The home media adapter is a key component of Intel's 'Extended Wireless PC Initiative', which is part of Intel's greater Digital Home initiative."
Always good to see (Score:1)
DRM: Where art though? (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:DRM: Where art thou? (Score:2)
Now think about that for a second, and you'll see what Intel clearly has in mind for this thing. Sure, it'd be cool to play your MP3 collection on your home stereo using this device. (I think Intel would be idiots to not include in this box some sort of MP3 jukebox browser controllable from your television.) But that's not what this will be intended for -- it's for downloading video over the Internet and playing it on your television.
Right now, that's a bit of a pipe dream. Televisions aren't connected to the Internet without a lot of customization, and computer screen are either too small or too poorly placed to be useful for viewing. Plus you have to set everything up with a mouse instead of a remote control. This box could (emphasis on "could") solve all that, by letting you download video on your computer and have this remote-controlled box pick it up for your television, all automatically and wirelessly, so your computer doesn't even need to be in the same room of your house.
Don't worry about DRM affecting your ability to play your own media; in this case, at least, it'll only affect your ability to play somebody else's media which you downloaded, with the understanding that it's not yours to keep.
Re:DRM: Where art thou? (Score:1)
The on screen application also provides the ability to browse your music and digital photo collections on your television to answer a previous comment.
-Jack
How many of these are out there? (Score:4, Interesting)
Whatever happened to Indrema, BTW? I know they closed and went out of business, but for some reason I thought they'd written a bunch of code and given it out under GPL after they went under...
Re:How many of these are out there? (Score:1)
Who cares? All they wrote was a weak form of copy protection. Everything else they demoed was GPL and still exists today.
Re:How many of these are out there? (Score:1)
Hmm, I bet it'd make a nifty MAME-style emulator platform. Nothing like paying a hundred bucks for a device you could get on eBay for pennies..
The basic design could be useful though. I bet you could make a neat answering machine out of the core components.
Features:
-Automatically puts you messages on a secure web site or emails them for remote access.
-TeleZaps those annoying Telemarketers.
-Separate voicemail boxes for everyone in the house.
-Automatically routes calls based on Caller ID.
-Simple calendar, contact list, etc. through the phone using voice recognition/keypad and Text-To-Speech or over the Web.
-Internet telephony.
Jeez, maybe I should quit my job & make this puppy!
Looks Cool (Score:1)
Re:Looks Cool (Score:2)
Had you read the article, you'd know that it's actually projected to be quite affordable:
Re:Looks Cool (Score:1)
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it's actually projected as extra weight thrown in to get customers to buy _your_ oem box over the neighboring firms.
anywas.. jpegs+audio.. geez.. sure.. moaning and pr0n in bed.
Re:Looks Cool (Score:1)
Anyhow, maybe I missunderstood. I thought it delivered that via wireless. I could see $79 for the PC end. If that is for both, cool!
Any notice (Score:4, Funny)
That gave me a chuckle.
blue screen (Score:3, Funny)
Come to think of it, digital LCD screens were the last new consumer item that everyone at Comdex was talking about.
Re:Any notice (Score:1)
-Jack
BOM costs = $79, retail $150? (Score:2)
Looking at the back, they only really have one set of AV/ out cables. Kind of disappointing, it would have been nice to make this device more like a receiver.
Re:BOM costs = $79, retail $150? (Score:1)
Playing didgital media through the TV might be cool, and all. But I'm not going to give up Tivo for it!
Re:BOM costs = $79, retail $150? (Score:1)
Re:BOM costs = $79, retail $150? (Score:2)
A 100% markup on material costs is not uncommon. But, don't forget labour, management, facilities, profit, etc., etc. have to be covered by the price as well. $150 would be optimistic, IMHO. Try $250
Soko
Re:BOM costs = $79, retail $150? (Score:1)
DRM ?? (Score:1)
Media Box Wars (Score:3, Interesting)
Sony's new PS3 may have some digital media capabilities, but no one's quite sure. But it would seem to make sense considering that there are rumors all over that the MS XBox 2 is going to serve as a hub for digital family entertainment. Course, that's running the XBox OS (or Linux depending on the hack). And now Intel is coming out with something that's running Linux? Intel and Microsoft are usually in bed together, and suddenly they're releasing competing products and Intel's is even running Linux? People are fleeing Microsoft in droves... maybe their tactics are coming around to bite them in the butt? At first it was "Game Console Wars," and now it's "Digital Media Center Wars." Let's sit back and watch.
Re:Media Box Wars (Score:2)
My question is, why doesn't the computer provide the GUI and hand off the screen caps to this Intel Device? Seems to me that way, if you have multiple hubs like this in your house, say one for the living room, one for the rec room, you dont have to replicate or use another GUI to access the content?
It seems to me that the dumber and thinner you make these supposed 'hubs', the more centralized your functionality is on your computer, and the better off the technology is. Plus, things like playlists, etc dont become specific to a particular wireless hub, as I'm prone to think it would be in the case of the device in the article. I'm also working on the assumption that adoption goes up when people dont have to learn how to use that new technology.
The computer should do everything - thats what it was built to do! These room-specific hubs should basically be wireless dump terminals that just show X-like or Remote Terminal Services-type sessions from your 'digital media' software running on your computer.
Re:Media Box Wars (Score:1)
>the GUI and hand off the screen caps to this
>Intel Device?
Actually that's exactly what this thing does. There is no application specific code running on the adapter; everything that you see on screen is being rendered on the PC and then remoted to the TV via the adapter. That's partly why this solution is so cost effective, all the hard work is being done on the PC.
Re:Media Box Wars (Score:2)
And now Intel is coming out with something that's running Linux? Intel and Microsoft are usually in bed together, and suddenly they're releasing competing products and Intel's is even running Linux?
In this case the key ingredient is that AFAIK, Winodws doesn't run on XScale.
The lower power requirements of an non x86 design are a sufficiently compelling argument for set top boxes that Intel can plausibly make this argument to MS, though I'm sure there's been overtures that perhaps WinCE might work.
You can be assured that if there not enough arguments against using Microsoft's products, that Intel's biggest co-gorilla would have them using Windows or have them on the carpet explaining in great detail why not.
Re:Media Box Wars (Score:2)
Re:Media Box Wars (Score:2)
Re:Media Box Wars (Score:2)
Re:Media Box Wars (Score:2)
When Microsoft says "jump", Intel asks "how high?"
Re:Media Box Wars (Score:1)
Re:Media Box Wars and maybe no DRM (Score:2)
It's just a case of a difference of opinion within a huge company. Intel really is strongly in favor of DRM hardware; that's why they spearheaded the TCPA. Intel sees that it's not going to be able to expand the market for processors in the US because most people who want computers already have them, they already have by far the most marketshare, and their sales are now mostly from people upgrading, which probably isn't as often as they'd like since a 4GHz Pentium 4 really isn't any more useful for word processing and email than an 800MHz P3 from two years ago. So they want to expand the market by making the PC a media hub for downloading and watching pay-per-view content. Of course, just like digital satellite, cable PPV, etc., this requires strong hardware controls to prevent easy copying, so that's what they're trying to push.
Intel is really into this "convergence" thing, and they see DRM as a way to facilitate that. They obviously don't give a rat's ass about fair use rights, the ability to do what you want with your hardware (like running a different OS), etc. They use Linux now because they're opportunistic--it makes it easy to do something now in the short term, so they'll use it for now in applications like this. But in their grand view of the future, everyone's going to be running Windows with Palladium.
Re:Media Box Wars and maybe no DRM (Score:2)
A hardware protected DRM world will not be as profitable as the free-for-all PC world has been. The reason for this is DRM devices by their very nature are either not hackable or difficult to hack.
When you look at the history of PC's it's the hackers/gamers/whatever's that have pushed the architecture far far beyone what anyone envisioned, PC's were originally meant to be a stepping stone to IBM's big iron.
A DCMA DRM world will hamper the growth of a company based on selling commodity general purpose technology.
Re:Media Box Wars and maybe no DRM (Score:2)
What they're missing is that Joe and Jane Sixpack really don't want to pay for every time they listen to a song or watch a movie, and actually like being able to burn their own CDs with songs they like. I've met a bunch of not-very-computer-savvy people who love this, and they're not all young. So I really am hoping that this stupid DRM crap goes the way of Circuit Sh*tty's Divx, and hopefully Intel's stock price will take a huge dive and they'll lose tons of marketshare, so they (and others) learn a hard lesson about trying to push crippled BS on their customers.
I think the best part (Score:3, Funny)
My wife said to stop being stupid and use my money to buy food for homeless people, but that seems like a waste to me. Any thoughts?
Re:I think the best part (Score:2)
Yeah, it is a waste. If you are going to give them money, at least have them wash your car or shine your shoes or something. Giving away unearned money is a sin.
Big deal, I already have one of these. (Score:1)
Re:Big deal, I already have one of these. (Score:2, Funny)
Xscale MMX (Score:2)
Re:Xscale MMX (Score:1)
Re:Xscale MMX (Score:1)
The "Multimedia extensions" on the XScale come in two forms: the ARM-9e extensions and their own 40 bit multiply-accumulator coprocessor. It'd be nice to see the ARM-9e extensions in gcc as other processors would also benefit - not just XScale. This would be fairly easy to generate code for as you can "simply" replace two adds/multiplies with a single one in many cases.
The coprocessor is another matter and needs a lot of work from the compiler to get any speed increase out of its use. Last I looked at the processor documentation, I didn't see much advantage to using the coprocessor at all, even when hand coding assembler - the ARM-9e extensions give you pretty much the same speed increase anyway.
Re:Xscale MMX (Score:2)
MMX does not stand for "multimedia extensions", it stands for "matrix math extensions."
blakespot
Re:Xscale MMX (Score:2)
Hell no, they won't. Have they ever contributed optimizations for gcc? They already have their own compiler, icc, which they'd rather everyone purchase. Why would they help out the competition?
Re:Xscale MMX (Score:2)
Re:Xscale MMX (Score:2)
$79.00 (Score:1)
Is it just me, or does this sound too good to be true?
Re:$79.00 (Score:3, Informative)
Expect it to be in the $150-$200 range. Still sounds like a good price for what it provides.
Re:$79.00 (Score:1)
I would probably even say - expect it to be in $400-$500 range when it comes out and then drop to $150-$200 in 6 mos or so. They love to mark up new stuff like this, which I can;t say I blame them for. It makes sense because a - they have to recoup R&D costs (everyone forgets that when they count the cost of the device) and b - they know the bleeding edge junkies will shell out the money no matter what.
Re:$79.00 (Score:1)
That's the cost of production (and behold the wonderous miracle of the No Windows Tax) - the cost to the consumer is "How much are you willing to pay?" - everything inbetween is profit.
No video? (Score:1)
ogg/vorbis (Score:1)
Re:ogg/vorbis (Score:1)
802.11b 2.4 GHz Spectrum (Score:2, Interesting)
Re: 802.11b 2.4 GHz Spectrum (Score:1)
Re: 802.11b 2.4 GHz Spectrum (Score:2)
OT: 1U MP3/Internet Radio Streamer? (Score:2)
Re:OT: 1U MP3/Internet Radio Streamer? (Score:1, Informative)
It's a start, but... (Score:2)
Also, wired ethernet would be nice -- if I'm streaming unencrypted DVDs from my server to my TV I want to play nice with the ??AAs (At least to that degree) and not broadcast them to my neighbor.
Still, not a bad start: add a Sigma Designs em8470 H/W MGEG 2/4 decoder, and component or DVI video output, and it starts to look useful.
Re:It's a start, but... (Score:2)
Btw, that does look like an ethernet jack in the back of the box, which as it seems, is clearly marked DELL, not Intel.
whats the real feature? (Score:4, Insightful)
Ok, aside from it not using the PCs CPU horsepower, how is this altogether different from a really long set of A/V cables? (or a 900mhz broadcaster?)
Oh yeah, DRM.. Silly me. Asked and answered.
Of course this is automagically wonderful because they used linux to save time during development.
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:2)
Sure, you can rig up a PC to do all that, but I bet it costs more and doesn't work as well as this. The price point is a deal. My Rio Reciever was about twice that much.
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:2)
Two things: you don't need to worry about installing a TV-output card on your computer, and you don't need to figure out how to run the cables from your second-floor office to your first-floor living room.
Not everybody's a geek with a studio apartment, you know. Some of us actually like to pay a few bucks have things neat, tidy and simplified.
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:2)
In that respect, centralize, centralize, centralize! These things should just host GUI-output from your computer, and accept commands from the remote and hand them back to your machine. I'm not sure why they'd put a device-specific gui on it when the computer might as well provide that in the case where you have 2 or 3 of these things around the house and you'd rather have a consitant interface and consistant playlists/settings/etc.
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:5, Interesting)
That said, I have to wonder if Bill Gates (for once) was right when he suggested several years ago that "media convergence" isn't really a thing that people want. People want to compute on computers, watch TV on a television, and watch movies in a movie theater. Converging the three into the single PC -- or the PC breakout box hooked up to a PC -- is nifty and very George Jetson-like (and who can forget his boy Elroy spiralling down from the old man's hoverbug in a mini-hoverbug of his very own?) -- but it seems that technology (in this case and others [palladium and MS's MediaPC's especially) is thinking too far ahead for its own good.
Watching TV on a computer is (for me, at least) much like reading e-books on a palm or an Ipaq or on the computer screen in a library -- it gets the job done, yes, but it's not very enjoyable. (I'm trying to figure out why the only ebooks I'm able read at any length are non-fiction. I can't, for example, bring myself to read fiction electronically. It seems, well, not right. And not comfortable. Yet I can sit on my little ragged sofa -- feet up, trusty Bawls soda beside me -- and can read deadtree fiction until the cows come home. But that's another story for another day
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:2)
I'm trying to figure out why the only ebooks I'm able read at any length are non-fiction. I can't, for example, bring myself to read fiction electronically. It seems, well, not right. And not comfortable.
Try it with an e-Book reader designed for the purpose, rather than a computer or PDA.
I like my e-Book *better* than dead trees; more comfortable, more portable (I carry a dozen novels with me at all times), more resistant to damage (when enclosed in a ziploc baggy), never loses my place, is visible in the dark, doesn't require two hands, etc., etc., etc.
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:1)
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:1)
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:2)
I'm not a 'geek' with a studio apartment, I have a 3000 sq foot 3 level home. Not that it matters.
"you don't need to worry about installing a TV-output card on your computer"
No, you just need to worry about installing 802.3 hardware. Being as the end-user is too technically challenged to install a video card, expect to see lots of insecure WAPs for the sake of looking at 'net porn in the living room.
"and you don't need to figure out how to run the cables from your second-floor office to your first-floor living room."
http://www.x10.com/products/x10_vk53a.htm
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(IIRC, they're the same thing, just different software bundles)
So I reiterate, what's the feature? Oh yeah, DRM, and maybe a prettier box.
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:2)
To watch divx movies from my linux machine that is downstairs in a closet to any tv in the house
Allows me to get rid of all the kludgy vcrs that I used to have attached to each tv. Having a child who has more vcr movies than dvds this is a great thing.
Re:whats the real feature? (Score:2)
Still, the DRM's as much of a bitch as ever.
hmmm.... (Score:3)
might want to check the source before you turn it on...
WMA on Linux? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:WMA on Linux? (Score:2)
It's a referee, not a player. Or its a coach. Or something. Real world analogies stink.
Re:WMA on Linux? (Score:2, Informative)
Nope, the Empeg and Rio Receiver (which both run Linux) can play WMA files.
Re:WMA on Linux? (Score:1)
Re:WMA on Linux? (Score:2)
And MPlayer (and I think Xine) has played WMA for around a year now.
Re:WMA on Linux? (Score:2)
Teasing rat b*st*rds. (Score:2)
Note to marketing weasels: Don't be using the generic term "media" when the more specific "audio" will suffice.
But, please let me know when it supports mpeg streams to video and zeroconf, aka, rezendezvouss (plus a bunch more french letters, look, if you aren't going to pronounce them I don't see why I should be bothered to remember where they go in the word)
Ideally it should have a tuner and an mpeg encoder, but thats going to rack up the cost. Note I didn't say it needed a disk drive. My computers can take care of that.
Re:Teasing rat b*st*rds. (Score:2)
Sure, higher quality video would be nice. High quality material to record would be nice too.
SCART (Score:2)
Ooops - S-Video (Score:2)
Well, that'd be better than nothing I suppose.
Re:Ooops - S-Video (Score:2)
DRM issues - Research before posting, please! (Score:4, Informative)
From the FAQ [slashdot.org] at the Intel developer's site for this thing:
Emphasis added.
In other words, they're hedging their bets by going to market with a product/product spec/development framework that might not be all that the content providers want while still saying they're a bunch of cooperative guys.
How should we read this? How about - "Buy it when it comes out, because as soon as the CPTWG people get their act together, the next generation will be crippled"?
Oh, God, I'm a screw-up! (Score:1)
This is the link, actually. [intel.com]
".. will satisfy the needs of all content owners." (Score:2)
I need to write to "my" folks in DC about this. I keep meaning to do so, and never have time. As far as I'm concerned, the ??AA can go ahead and push all the DRM and content protection encumbrance into their delivery systems that they want, with only ONE condition:
Full capability for recording/editing/playing unprotected media must NEVER be removed.
As long as this capability is retained, I wish them luck, and hope they impose ever-more-onerous constraints on their content. They're digging their own graves by treating artists like dirt and viewing/listening like taxable criminal activities. Nor do I particularly care if there are legal consequences legislated for removing watermarks, etc.
IMHO removal of recording/editing/playing of unprotected media is and should be protected under the First Ammendment. When digital media distribution becomes the norm, gatekeepers like the ??AA gain unconstitutional power if capabilities for unprotected media are removed. Aside from this, unencumbered capabilities permit the genesis of a 'replacement media business model.'
Intel RISC for the hacker (Score:1)
This must be from before... (Score:1)
Seems to be a mistake (Score:2)
Could work. (Score:1)
why this idea misses the mark (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Turn on.
2. Select media.
3. Push play.
What this idea would look like:
1. Turn on "media adapter"
2. Walk across the house to where the computer is.
3. Boot computer. Wait 5 minutes for boot.
4. Walk back to living room.
5. Find remote for media adapter.
6. Browse through dozens of menus and file systems to locate content.
7. Computer crashes. Repeat steps 2-6.
8. Push play.
9. Wait for content to buffer.
10. Little Johnny decides to play his new networked game.
11. Repeat steps 9-10 until (A) Johnny doesn't get to play any more or (B) you give up.
12. Turn off media adapter.
13. Shut down computer.
14. Go to bed.
I'll wait for the Apple version, thank you.
Re:why this idea misses the mark (Score:2)
1. Turn on.
Get universal remote for TV/STB and turn both on and select the STB as TV input. Maybe turn on A/V [5|6|7].1 A/V receiver too. Perhaps user has a fancy remote with macros to do this with one button.
2. Select media.
Browse for media like one would a channel guide, with a web-like interface on the TV, perhaps.
3. Push play.
Click on desired program.
What this idea would look like:
1. Turn on "media adapter"
O.K., we've done that.
2. Walk across the house to where the computer is.
Whatever for?
3. Boot computer. Wait 5 minutes for boot.
Why? The home media server should be burried away somewhere, in a closet, or basement, or utility room, or something -- always on. It's prolly sinking your email and scraping TV channel lineups as well.
4. Walk back to living room.
Not necessary. See 3 above.
5. Find remote for media adapter.
If ya dinna hafta go nowhere, how could you have lost the darned thing? O.K. O.K. TVs should have a button that makes the remote go "beep".
6. Browse through dozens of menus and file systems to locate content
Er, kinda like a satellite channel menu? Maybe better organized. Maybe we can have several "favorites" buttons on the remote, you know, "B" for Britney Spears video, and "J" for Jenna Jamison pr()n. [Note to self: remember to implement mod_parental for Apache]. Seriously, though, I can imagine third-party installable sites and skins for organizing stuff like this on the web server sitting inside the media server.
7. Computer crashes. Repeat steps 2-6.
What part of "Thou shalt not run a Microsoft O/S" didn't you get in hacker-wannabe school?
8. Push play.
Heck, by this time the geek is already groping around for something to clean his mess up with, having pushed the "J" favorites button.
9. Wait for content to buffer.
Repeat after me: s-t-r-e-a-m-i-n-g---v-i-d-e-o, not to mention the nice, fact, predictible 100 Mb/s switched ethernet ya got. 802.11b would leave old Jenna'Ho as jerky as..., well never mind. Besides, you really don't want all the local geeky teens in your front yard, with their laptops, drooling, or worse.
10. Little Johnny decides to play his new networked game.
I said SWITCHED ethernet! Pay attention. Besides, Johnny has his OWN gaming machine (such is the price to pay to keep him off the pr()n server).
11. Repeat steps 9-10 until (A) Johnny doesn't get to play any more or (B) you give up.
Heh, if you can "repeat" enuf times, you can trade the J-button for the real thing.
12. Turn off media adapter.
I suppose, if you must.
13. Shut down computer.
Look, if you're that cheap when it comes to electricity, perhaps you need to look at other priorities besides uber-hacker-coolness.
14. Go to bed.
Nah! Just slam another Dew, dude! I'll wait for the Apple version, thank you.
Xscale - how better than SA-1100? (Score:2)
blakespot
Antennas are decorative (Score:2)
It looks more like a mockup than a reference design. Some video of it working might have made it more convincing, or source code... though I guess under the GPL they can just distribute that to their licencees. (Who really don't have a compeling interest to redistribute unless say the FSF buys a kit.)
Well its sad really. (Score:2)
Think of the hardware we could have had if Intel had been able to drop x86 10 years ago?
You can't feel all of the people.... (Score:1)
Not to mention that as soon as M$ gets wind of this, they'll make sure that Palladium hammers it down.
it'd better be a customized version (Score:2)
And yes, next time i'll read the article before I start flaming.
Design win for busybox and uClibc (Score:1)
A Sacrificial Lamb (Score:1)
TWW
Sounds Cool (Score:2)
Re:WMA? (Score:1)
Re:Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 54 (Score:1, Funny)
Just cremate the guy, already.
Re:More Reasons to be Lazy (Score:2)