

Preliminary Injunction Against SuSE 246
Random Walk writes "The German news site Heise Online reports that on behalf of an anonymous client,
a lawyer has won a
preliminary injunction (German only)
against the Linux distributor SuSE.
The injunction forbids the delivery of SuSE CDs as long as they contain some program name that apparently violates a registered
trademark. No more details available, but SuSE seems to be in negotiations with the other party." Head over to the fish for translation.
Who? (Score:1)
Re:Who? (Score:1)
Perhaps it's 3COM suing them for the use of the number 3...
Killustrator again? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Killustrator again? (Score:1)
Re:Killustrator again? (Score:1, Interesting)
project quit naming their applications
such that they can be confused or mistaken
for registered products. Seems easy enough
and it solves the whole problem.
Re:Killustrator again? (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, true, KIllustrator was a clear reference, but it was clearly distinguishable, would not cause confusion, didn't run on the same operating system, etc. So a decent lawyer and an honest court would have thrown the case out. But that would have cost a lot of time and money.
Again, possibly the lawyer was at fault, but Adobe didn't say "boo", so I haven't forgiven them, and don't intend to. I no longer recommend Adobe products. Ever. That was before they sic-ed the feds on Dimitry, and I must admit that that was the final touch, but even that first act would have taken quite a while to forgive, just by itself.
Adobe sees that it's big enough to act like a bully. To me this means that I don't want to give them any money or any credit for anything. They are treacherous. Unreliable. And companies that act like that generally fail within a couple of decades (of course there's MS, but Adobe isn't anywhere near that tough, and there are signs that MS is on its way down too).
If you need a graphics program for a Windows or Mac, may I recommend that you look into Deneba Canvas. It's what I use on that side, and I'm quite pleased with it.
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Re:Killustrator again? (Score:2)
The reason KIllustrator was named what it was named was that so you would instantly recognize it as being a free knock-off of an Adobe product.
It's like how "Kam" sounds enough like "Spam" for you to know right off the bat that it's a similar product.
There are two reasons I can thing of for the KDE guys do this:
1) They think it's clever, like all the recursive GNU names... fair enuff.
2) They don't spend any time/money on marketing, so they have no other way to let you know what their product does before you try it, or browse specifically for it.
So in short, the KDE guys are piggy-backing on trademarks to publicize their functional-equivalent products - which in my books, isn't right.
Re:Killustrator again? (Score:2)
Didn't think so. Maybe morons should understand that infringing on trademark isn't just about 'confusion'.
Re:Killustrator again? (Score:2)
KDE is allowed to use the word illustrator (well they would be allowed if they had enough money). The law is clearly on their side on this but they can't afford to fight adobe. In america the amount of money you have determines how much of your rights you actually get to exersize.
Re:Killustrator again? (Score:2)
Re:Killustrator again? (Score:2, Informative)
Here's the fish translation (Score:2, Informative)
In English this time (somewhat easier to read) (Score:5, Informative)
Attorney general v. Gravenreuth confirmed he was requested to file suit on behalf of a third party, but declined to give further details, at the request of said third party. Christian Eagle, head of public relations at SuSE, stated his company will provide more information at a later date.
ok, so it's not shakespeare, but it's readable at least.
Re:In English this time (somewhat easier to read) (Score:1)
Re:In English this time (somewhat easier to read) (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:In English this time - No Attorney General (Score:3, Informative)
Re:In English this time - No Attorney General (Score:2)
Re:In English this time (somewhat easier to read) (Score:1)
Re:In English this time (somewhat easier to read) (Score:2)
In fact, the right to change the name is of paramount importance. If the original name is a trademark (think Linux), then I can't fork the product without violating trademark rules *unless* I can change the name.
Re:In English this time (somewhat easier to read) (Score:2)
This is for a german distubution. For many programs translating the name would be a good idea, and when translating you usually have roughly equal choices to pick from.
It sounds like they should probably just change the name. The last thing you want to do is settle and let the schmuck make money.
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Re:In English this time (somewhat easier to read) (Score:2)
Yeah. Too bad there's no way to use a new name without creating a code fork.
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Let me try... (Score:5, Funny)
This is what I was given:
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In A.D. 2002, war was beginning. What happen? SuSe get signal. Main injunction turn on. It's Gravenreuth! A regional court in Munich say "How are you gentlemen! All SuSe distribution are belong to us. You have no chance to survive make your time." Apparently, somebody set SuSe up the bomb. The injunction forbids SuSE to continue to take off every 'zig' until SuSe knows what they are doing.
Attorney general v. Gravenreuth confirmed he was requested to send SuSe on the way to destruction on behalf of a third party, but declined to give further details. What Suse say! Christian Eagle, head of public relations at SuSe, stated his company will move 'zig' and provide more information at a later date. For great justice.
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Huh. Maybe I accidentally translated into Japanese first...
Re:Let me try... (Score:2)
Thank you. =)
Re:Here's the fish translation (Score:2)
Informative? I understood the german much more...
... and I took spanish and latin!
Re:Here's the fish translation (Score:2)
comedic gold (Score:1, Redundant)
Gravenreuth against Linux Distributor SuSE
After Samba and kIllustrator now a further open SOURCE program employs the lawyers. The attorney Guenter Frhr. v. Gravenreuth obtained a provisional order against the German Linux Distributor SuSE before the regional court Munich. The cause seems to be one on the SuSE d referenzierte open SOURCE often commodity. Gravenreuth let obvious forbid to the Nuernberger enterprise judicially to deliver its Linux distribution further as long as on it the disputed program name is contained. For SuSE from it a substantial financial loss could arise, if the copies already produced could not be issued any longer.
Frhr. v. Gravenreuth acknowledged on demand a provisional order against the indication of an open SOURCE often commodity to have received. It did not want to call further details however, since its mandator " with the opponent agree " become and require no denomination. Christian Egle, press speaker of the SuSE GmbH, explained, his enterprise in the next days as the affair will express themselves. ( odi / c't)
Does OSDN own stock in altavista or something?
Let's see... (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.suse.com/en/products/suse_linux/i386
Ok, not sure if NVIDIA_kernel is actually made by Nvidia, that would do it.
The spell checker iGerman...maybe Mac was planning a lager-scented blond powerbook.
sax and sax2 seem to be SuSe specific...but I don't think anyone can sue over a name like "sax". Too generic.
"TerminatorX" is an audio mixer...though I think Public Enemy would shoot first, and bring the lawyers later...
You know, this could take a while...the company distributes 8 goddamn CD's full of litigation-feed.
More Speculation (Score:1)
Stupid Stupid Stupid (Score:2)
Re:Stupid Stupid Stupid (Score:2, Insightful)
Software authors, think of original names for your products, end of!
Re:Stupid Stupid Stupid (Score:1)
Re:Stupid Stupid Stupid (Score:1)
To sidestep a little, who on earth would dare approach such a scarily large project as to try and emulate all of MSPaint's vast functionality on Linux???
Re:Stupid Stupid Stupid (Score:2)
my $0.02
Re:Stupid Stupid Stupid (Score:1)
The point is that is cases like KIllustrator, many would agree that the intention of the author was to convey 'hey, this does exactly what Adobe Illustrator does', rather than that it is an Illustrator package.
I assume 'Apple' have trademarked the COMMON WORD (your capitalisation, fuckard) 'Apple' but they won't be suing any grocers soon, but if someone releases a computer called the 'Apple' they hay have something to say about it.
Re:Stupid Stupid Stupid (Score:2, Insightful)
K Illustrator is far from Adobe Illustrator? With the standard of KDE software being Ksomething I would put it to you that they are not at all very far apart.
It doesn't make any sense (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:It doesn't make any sense (Score:1)
Re:It doesn't make any sense (Score:1)
Re:It doesn't make any sense (Score:2)
Re:It doesn't make any sense (Score:1)
Re:It doesn't make any sense (Score:3, Insightful)
Evil, but not beyond Gravenreuth or someone doing business with that guy.
Re:It doesn't make any sense (Score:2)
I wish it were that easy.
In Germany (where this mess originates), you can trademark a term in a category, e.g. trademark the term "pencil" (hint: or the same word in a different language) for anything related to computers.
Secondly, there is a way to research trademarks to find out whether you would be violating one or not
I have yet to see something that will let me research trademarks worldwide at no cost.
If I release an open source application called "dsgfoisejrfioeasjlfr", I have no way whatsoever of knowing whether this random gibberish (to me) is not a trademarked term in some country (it might even be a word in some language I'm not familiar with).
Re:It doesn't make any sense (Score:2)
Not really. You need some product, but you can use that to trademark the term for anything that is related, even if it's not closely related.
IANAL, but this is how I understand it:
There is a (much too) small number of categories in which you can register trademarks.
If you run some store selling paperclips at www.xyz.de, you could trademark "xyz" in the "computers" category [your store is accessible online with a computer, therefore it qualifies].
It would prevent, for example, anyone from writing an open source text editor and calling it xyz, because that would fall into the same category.
That's pretty much what this mess is all about, the trademark holder has nothing whatsoever to do with the open source product they're attacking, except for the fact that both are in some way related to computers. They don't have anything that competes or is in any other way related to the program, in fact they're not even using the same name (just a very similar one).
Yes it does (Score:2)
This appears precisely cognate to the folks who register web-site URLs with company names, and then barely use them (perhaps only post an "Under-Construction" page). That, however, has been ruled illegal.
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Gravenreuth (Score:5, Interesting)
I once got a letter from him: Back in the old Amiga days, i posted a classified ad somewhere, since i wanted to sell some of my old hardware. A couple of days later, I got a letter from some girl (including picture), who listed some of her games and wanted to trade.
Back then, I heard of these Gravenreuth tactics, so I just threw it away. Even writing some witty response on the illegality of the proposal would have probably invited some action from the law firm.
Re:Gravenreuth (Score:2)
Re:Gravenreuth (Score:1)
Interesting. Do you have anything to back this up?
This made the (it-) media back then. Just search
google for Gravenreuth, you'll find a lot of links
about him - most of it in german, though. Guess
that'll give babelfish some work to do.
Re:Gravenreuth (Score:5, Informative)
Much of Gravenreuth's tactics in these days happened in the German magazine "64'er". I think this has also been covered in this magazine itself once. The scheme was more or less the same every time: Some people (kids, in most cases) annonced something in the private ads part of the magazine. A computer game, for example, but not a copy. They were then contacted by some girl by snail-mail, often including a photo (the same photo, but different names for the girl..) who was interested in the ad. She then asked, if one would like to "trade" some other games. If the victim sent back a list of (copied..) games back, he was sued a short time after.
So this "girl" *asked* to trade her copied software and then sued the people who responded in the name of the software company.
Gravenreuth later started to work for companies like Symicron. Symicron claimed to have an older Trademark "Explorer", and Gravenreuth successfully negotiated some sum of money with Microsoft (they did this instead of going to court; hell knows why). The point is that Symicron hasn't proven yet that an actual Symicron product called "Explorer" ever existed. But they, with Gravenreuth as lawyer, continue to sue nearly everybody who uses the name "Explorer" in Germany for computer thingies. Like a tool named "FTP-Explorer" and so on.
They even went to court against Heise (which host the newsticker that this Slashdot story is based on), because they just put one of these tools *named* with something like "Explorer" on their CD for the printed magazine "c't". They threatened to go to _every_ shop that had this issue of the magazine legally to frighten them so sell it.
There are lots of stories about Gravenreuth. Most of the very details are not known because it's always legal affairs and you can easily be sued yourself by Gravenreuth if he claims you wrote something that is not correct or not publically proven.
So, of course this whole posting is just IMHO, AFAIK and AFAIR, and IANAL, and nothing of all this is true anyway.... (I'm living in Germany.)
Re:Gravenreuth (Score:4, Interesting)
Plan of action: (Score:2)
1: Create a PERL script which creates canned cease-and-disist letters. Call it Gravenruth.
2: Trade-mark the program name.
3: Sue this fellow for trademark infringement (offering a confusingly similar product with the same name).
Re:Gravenreuth (Score:2, Interesting)
Gravenreuth FAQ [koeln.ccc.de]
In case you need the fish. [altavista.com]
Re:Gravenreuth (Score:2, Interesting)
Here is a scan [ruhr-uni-bochum.de] (German) from 1992 that is supposed to be one of the letters that this "Girl" wrote to cluesless people to convince them to copy games and trade them with her (which resulted in aforementioned law company to contact you if you responded).
Yes, back in 1992. Looks like there are always ways to make money by frightening people.
Re:Gravenreuth (Score:4, Informative)
Dunno about German law, but ... (Score:2)
lawyer: nope, butcould be estoppel (Score:5, Interesting)
Entrapment is a criminal doctrine, not civil. It applies to the police going too far--convincing someone to commit a crime they otherwise would not (simply asking or offering the crime isn't enough.). THink of Delorean (sp?). The goverment harassed a man with a failing business with repeated opportunities to commit a lucrative time, after repeatedly being told no. They *created* the criminal. This is a far cry from a one time offer.
WHile this doesn't apply, the doctrine of "estoppel" could potentially apply. In a nutshell, this doctrine says, "even though you may be legally correct, your own conduct makes it inequitable for you to be able to make that argument, so you can't."
It would probably be a close call as described above.
hawk, common law lawyer
Am I missing something? (Score:2)
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:2)
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:2)
It isn't. You have to know a little more about the RESPONSE he got to know what he was talking about. In some of the other posts, you'll read that the girl's response (with her picture) was probably an attempt by the aforementioned "dirt" lawyer to entice him into "trading" copies of software. This practice, of course, would have been illegal. That's why he just threw away the letter and didn't respond.
I would personally take that approach with ANYBODY who sent their picture in a letter of that type. Either it's an attempt to trap me in something illegal, or there's something else wierd going on. Why on earth WOULD you send your picture to a perfect stranger?
Sounds like the guy with the XOR cursor patent. (Score:3, Interesting)
A similar thing happened in Silicon Valley. A guy got a patent on the bitwise-XOR cursor. This firm of three lawyers got hold of it. Then every time a hi-tek company was going public - WHETHER THEY USED AN XOR CURSOR OR NOT - they'd file suit. And offer to settle for some non-trivial pittance like $10,000.
Now going public is a touchy proposition, and having a suit pending against you can cost you big time, regardless of the suit's merits. So essentially all the companies knuckled under. It amounted to a small tax on going public.
And the people in question were the most hated in the Silicon Valley financial community for a decade or more. (There were rumors that a hit had been contracted...)
(Funny thing - I once worked for a company that had a patent on the BLINKING cursor, back in the days of character-only terminals. They never used it for this sort of thing - or litigated it at all. Instead they kept it in the pile of patents to be used in a countersuit against anyone who sued THEM for patent infringement.)
German lawyers have this strange tool... (Score:3, Interesting)
Great system, huh? So, a lawyer found a trademark violation, and is going after it. Fun stuff. I'm sure we'll see even more.
Gravenreuth (Score:5, Insightful)
This lawyer v. Gravenreuth is quite well known (and hated) in Germany. He's done lots of "Abmahnungen". This means cashing in money for stuff like usage of the term "FTP Explorer" which supposedly violates a Trademark of Symicron (sp?). A case of use of a chipset codename by shops for advertisement is also well-known.
Of course, he only evers goes after smaller fish, but doesn't dare trying the same with bigger companies (unfortunately, or he'd at last get his nose bloody).
I really wonder which name and company this is all about. I'd hate to see SuSE hurt for one of Gravenreuth's usual BS. They definitely need to spend their money on improving their distro, not on laywers (saying this as a long-time SuSE user who is not too convinced of the current 7.3 version).
Re:Gravenreuth (Score:2)
this is *not* true. He went against microsoft (with the "explorer" trademark) and won - well, at least MS settled out of court, supposedly paying quite a dime.
He also went against heise (again "explorer") - and lost in the first trial
Say what you want against him, but he doesn't fear big fishes.
my translation (Score:1, Redundant)
Neither English nor German is my first language, so flames to /dev/null please...
Gravenreuth versus Linux Distributor SuSE
After Samba and kIllustrator, another Open Source program is keeping the lawyers busy. The lawyer Günter Frhr. v. Gravenreuth has obtained a preliminary injunction from the State Court in Munich against the German Linux distributor SuSE. The reason seems to be an Open Source program referenced (?) on the SuSE CD. Apparently Gravenreuth has had the court ban the firm from Nürnberg from further distributing its Linux distribution as long as the debated program name is included. This could lead to substantial financial loss for SuSE, if the already produced copies are no longer allowed to be sold.
Frhr. v. Gravenreuth, when asked, confirmed he had obtained a preliminary injunction against the mark used by an Open Source software package. But he would not give further details, because his client would "come to an agreement with the opponent" and didn't want to be named. Christian Egle, press spokesman for SuSE, said that the firm would release a statement on the matter within the next few days.
Abmahnungen (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Abmahnungen (Score:1)
Human translation (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah I know, my German is not perfect (I'm Dutch), but those babelfish translations hurt.
Gravenreuth vs. Linux distributor SuSE
After Samba and KIllustrator yet another Open Source program is keeping lawyers busy. Lawyer Guenther Freiherr(1) von Gravenreuth has obtained a preliminary injunction against German Linux distributor SuSE from the Muenchen State Court. The reason seems to be an Open Source program referenced on a SuSE-CD. It appears(2) that Gravenreuth has had the court forbid further shipments of the Neuremberg company's Linux distribution, as long as the contested program's name is used in that. This could lead to substantial losses for SuSE if it can no longer ship the already produced copies.
When asked, Freiherr von Gravenreuth confirmed to have obtained a preliminary injunction against the name(3) of an Open Source program. He declined to name further details because his client would want "to settle with the opposition" and did not want to be named. Christian Egle, press spokesman for SuSE GmbH, declared that his company would make its position known in the coming days.
Notes:
On a side note: Why does this bloody Windows (I'm at work) insist on raising the focused window? At home (Debian GNU/Linux) I could have left the original article on top and typed in the textbox simultaneously. Now I had to switch constantly. Grrr.
MartRe:Human translation (Score:2, Interesting)
[OT] Windows Tip (Was: Re:Human translation) (Score:1)
Thanks for the tip. (Un)fortunately our admins have some clue, and these NT boxes are locked down pretty good. No third party software installs for me, sorry.
MartRe:Human translation (Score:2)
Seriouisly, you can fix NT by editing a registry setting so it is point-to-type, which will work as long as you can navigate your cursor without clicking. There is NO way to prevent a click from raising the window, even if you write the program that owns the window!
The KDE window manager (not Gnome yet) is getting really bad at assumming this. It is almost impossible to turn this off and still have a functioning window manager. This is really really sad.
Re:As others will surely also state... (Score:2)
I have been meaning to look at the source code, I do think the kde people would be receptive to changes (I have also written a window manager of my own flwm [slashdot.org], so I think I can do this).
One difficulty with both major window managers is the "what does this mouse button do" type of controls. These are not user friendly, allow you to set it to an infinite number of useless settings, and often do not allow you to set it to behave as wanted. I would prefer a few checkmarks to control the major unknowns about window management:
Click-to-type or point-to-type (for point to type just use sloppy focus, the others serve no reason).
Click in contents raises window.
Timeout to raise focused window (works in click-to-type as well as point-to-type).
Dragging or resizing a window (using the title bar or window border) raises it.
In my opinion these are the only things that need changes. What each mouse button does can be fixed by the window manager or intelligently figured out from the above settings.
Gravenreuth FAQ (Score:2, Informative)
Real translation by a native German speaker (Score:2, Redundant)
Gravenreuth against Linux-Distribution SuSE
After Samba and kIllustrator there is another open-source-program which keeps the attorneys busy. The lawyer Günter Frhr. v. Gravenreuth has won a preliminary injunction at the Landgericht (court) in Munich against the German Linux distributor SuSE. The cause seems to be some open-source-software referenced on one of SuSE's CDs. Apparently Gravenreuth keeps the company from Nuremberg legally from delivering their Linux-distribution any further, as long as it contains the contoversial program name. This could bring a significant financial loss for SuSE if the already produced copies couldn't be sold any more.
Mr. Gravenreuth confirmed on inquiry to be granted a preliminary injunction against the name of an open-source-software. But he didn't want to tell further details, since his client is going to aggree with the opponent and would like not to be mentioned. Christian Egle, press spokesman of SuSE, explained that his company would express itself on the matter in the next days.
It's about Krayon again ... Crayon sues, not Adobe (Score:5, Informative)
*sigh*
Re:It's about Krayon again ... Crayon sues, not Ad (Score:2)
Re:It's about Krayon again ... Crayon sues, not Ad (Score:2)
Re:It's about Krayon again ... Crayon sues, not Ad (Score:2)
They probably wouldn't be able to sue, since they are in a different industry. Crayon is in the same industry (they sell computer graphic stuff) so their case is much stronger.
Looking at the web site, though - the design is so plain, that it looks like the company has been setup solely for the purpose of this lawsuit. There is not a single decent graphic on their site - and that's what they claim to be selling...
All their products are CDROMs with image collections. The actual company is "Software Service Seidel", the "Crayon Vertriebs GmbH" which is their subsidiary, was founded last summer. (see: "wir über uns" [crayon.de] )
Re:It's about Krayon again ... Crayon sues, not Ad (Score:2)
How many trademarked words in a Linux distro? (Score:2)
Xix.
ByteMe inc. sues SuSE (Score:2)
Xix.
Court Gesture (Score:2, Funny)
That's one of the bad things about Open Source software in general: no fun with lawsuits!
At least SuSe lucked out with offering commercial software. Just think of all those poor Debian saps who'll never see the court jesters.
Re:Court Gesture (Score:1)
Germany has better quality Assholes too... (Score:2, Funny)
This german guy is so f*cking full of sh*t, he's even a shame to the lawyers trade on this whole flippin' planet!
From what I gather he needs bodyguards whenever he moves in public. Note that this is germany where violence in public is considerably more seldom than in the US. Anyhow, he'd better have them if I ever bumb into this creep.
Possible Solution? (Score:2, Funny)
mv /bin/offending_name /bin/to_hell_with_gravenreuth
alias offending_name=to_hell_with_gravenreuth
Of course, you should feel free to use classic four-letter Anglo-Saxon words in your implementation, should that better fit your mood. :-)
Re:Possible Solution? (Score:2)
I just wonder how long it'll take before M$, Adobe or another EBC trademarks ls and forces everyone to use different commands.
Since you can trademark a generic term and sue someone using a variation thereof (not even the same term, just like in this case), it shouldn't be too difficult to get trademarks on "l" and "d", and then sue the hell out of any two letter commands using either trademark.
Instead of babelfish, use google translation tools (Score:5, Insightful)
Why?
Cause you can directly link [google.com] to the translated page.
Something Altavista doesn't like.
Re:Instead of babelfish, use google translation to (Score:2)
Abmahnungen (Score:2)
Re:Abmahnungen (Score:4, Interesting)
these German "Abmahnungen" seem like a really bad idea as they can be abused by scum like this lawyer.
an idea that can be exploited is not necessarily a bad idea. Think of an idea just as a tool. Just because you can hurt someone with a hammer, a hammer is not a bad thing by design.
Why do they still exist?
-alAn "Abmahnung" is intended to prevent a lawsuit. The idea behind it is, that company A shall be able to have a means against unfair competition done by company B without having to go to court and have a year-lasting lawsuit. At least that is what the means of "Abmahung" was developed for.
The problem is, that german jurisdiction tends towards the attitude that any online activity can be interpreted as "taking part in brand competition" and therefore "Abmahnung" gets applied to virtually everyone in the same way, be he a hobbyist, an university, an OS-programmer or a company.
Public Record? (Score:2)
I somehow doubt "potential bad press" would count as a good reason to prevent publication of court records.
Since they've already been to court and had a preliminary injunction, that would mean that the plaintiff's name is a matter of public record, no?
Couldn't someone in Munich find out some more info?
Translation from The Register (Score:3, Informative)
After Samba and kIllustrator, yet another open-source-program fillsthe pockets of lawyers. The [ill-reputed] German lawyer Günther Freiherr von Gravenreuth has won a preliminary injunction at the Munich District Court against the German Linux-distributor SuSE.
The reason seems to be an open-source-software referenced on one of the SuSE-CDs. Apparently Gravenreuth has prohibited the Nurenberg based company from delivering its Linux-distribution,
as long as the disputed program name is contained on the disks.
SuSE could face serious financial losses if the copies already produced cannot be sold.
Being asked, Freiherr von Gravenreuth confirms the preliminary injunction against the name of the open-source-software, but refuses to give any more details, since his client wishes to get a settlement with "the opponent" and doesn't want to be named.
SuSE spokesman Christian Egle says his company will publish a statement in a few days.
Much as I loathe SuSE... (Score:2, Funny)
But much as I despise the non-free nature of the distro, I do hope SuSE can stand up to this asshole.
If the lawyer's not prepared either to name his "client" (yeah, right) or to tackle the package with a "conflicting" name at source, then he really has to be a dipshit, sorry, I mean "he deserves to lose in court".
Re:Much as I loathe SuSE... (Score:2)
Re:Much as I loathe SuSE... (Score:2)
And the answer to your ignorant question is, `me'.
And to the idiotic "moderator" who marked my original down as flamebait: learn not to read flames where there are none. If you can't discuss simple facts, don't assume a role of responsibility.
Re:Much as I loathe SuSE... (Score:2)
You can get the SuSe distribution online, for free. That's free so far as any reasonable human being is concerned. The inclusion of non-free software means jack. Only a fanatic or RMS-lover would claim otherwise.
Max
The offending App is Krayon (Score:2, Informative)
Incidently, as the article says, Krayon is not even included in SuSE 7.3, apart from a KDE-Menu entry. Krayon is unmaintained upstream and so not longer part of Koffice.
The article finishes with the question whether Distributors will have to scan their packages for possible namespace clashes and in doing so, might abandon a loarge portion of free software that's not cleared.
In a land where you can get sued for using the colour Magenta [telekom.de] anything can happen, I guess.
Michael
surprising (Score:2)
Maybe it's time for SuSE to upgrade to the newest KDE-stable?
Update (Score:5, Informative)
Basically: it's about Krayon, which used to be part of the KOffice suite. The program is not actually on the SuSE CD, but there is a leftover entry in the KDE menu, labeled Krayon.
Krayon is supposed to conflict with the "Crayon" trademark, which is held by Seidel Softwareservice [seidel-online.de].
Gravenreuth the "lawyer" who wrote this Abmahnung stated that he's prepared to settle with SuSE.
It's presumed that SuSE will want to settle, too.
Re:Prognosis/SuSE one buys (Score:2)
Every country has stupid laws somewhere - German trademark law is one, the UK its libel/slander. The US has its catalogue too - DMCA, liability law, patents.
Re:Hypocrites (Again) (Score:2)
You don't even hear about most attempts by FSF to enforce the GPL. They seem to do things in a nice, civilized and quiet manner. The FSF has yet to crassly paralyze an entire company.
Re:Dave Thomas - of Wendy's fame - dead at 69. (Score:2)
Didn't he have like a quadruple bypass a few years ago? I quit eating those burgers.