
HP to Use Debian for Linux Development 143
wfrp01 writes: "Bruce Perens gives us the skinny on Linux Daily News. Notice his use of the term GNU/Linux in a business context." Of course, HP's printers are still shipping with Windows-only drivers... and Windows-only configuration tools... and described as "Linux-compatible" in their advertisements.
It's a good time... (Score:1)
Re:Not in the inkjets (Score:1)
bc of involvement with Debian project? (Score:1)
OK, this doe *not answer* the question, though -- I agree, it's strange. Seems to me like Bruce P. would / should be happily pushing Debian at HP
I guess he wanted it to be chosen for reasons other than "well, we hired this former Debian honcho as our Open Source consultant guy
Cool at any rate. Debian + Gnome + Eazel desktop
simon
Semi OT: HP folks, scanner drivers PLEASE!!! (Score:1)
happy with them. You can make even more friends
by supporting your HP scanners under Linux.
Or at least allow the Linux scanner folks to
peek into the specs, so they can support your
scanners under Linux. BTW: what is your main
business: selling scanner drivers or selling
scanners?
Re:Linux-compatible ? (Score:2)
Linux-compatible printers (Score:3)
GNU/Linux? (Score:5)
A: GNU's not Unix Linux
Q: Could you elaborate?
A: GNU's not Unix's not Unix Linux
Q: That's odd.
A: RMS says it reminds people about their freedom.
Q: Of course, thank you.
Not to be a wanker.... (Score:1)
What didn't Perens have a part in this? (Score:2)
Isn't this exactly WHY Perens works with HP!?! To help them make decisions and form their business direction with regards to Free Software?
Maybe someone can help clarify this. (Bruce?)
-Derek
Re:What didn't Perens have a part in this? (Score:2)
Daniel
Re:Linux-compatible printers (Score:2)
Errr, no. I bought an Optra E312, and it's one of the best decisions I could have made. However, their Linux support is non-existant. For reasons best known to Lexmark, the default setting out of the box is to have PostScript errors turned off, so you don't know *why* something doesn't print.
I phoned their technical support, who said to use their MarkVision software to turn it on. It wasn't on the CD, but they pointed me to a location I could download it from (the 25MB download is painful when you have to pay for phone calls). So once I'd got it installed, it couldn't see any printers. Turns out, they'd lied to me, and MarkVision for Linux only works if you're using one of their external print servers, and can't help if your printer is directly connected. They sent me some magic runes to try printing, but that didn't work, and after many, many weeks and several attempts, they finally sent me a small binary file to send to the printer that worked.
The product is great, but their whole tech support infrastructure is entirely geared to Windows and Mac, and they don't have a clue when it comes to Linux.
I'm confused... (Score:2)
HP Printer support in Ghostscript (Score:3)
All in all, I'm pleased and impressed with HP's support of Linux and free software. Given the context they're operating in, I'm not surprised that it's taking time to do things right, and I'm willing to grant them that.
Re:They're using "GNU/Linux" in a business context (Score:2)
"The new GNUNUNU/Linux"
...or if they decide to expand it again...
"The new GNUNUNUNU/Linux"
...and when it uses a government plane for personal matters...
"The new GNUNUNUNUSununu/Linux"
Okay - this is getting WAY too silly.
Re:Beg pardon? (Score:1)
HP printer support (Score:5)
Michael, check out the Advocacy How-To. (Score:2)
Taco, please, for everybody's sake. Next time Michael posts some non-sequitor Microsoft bashing, liberally apply a clue stick to his head until he cries uncle.
ObTopic: Michael, do you honestly think these drivers would appear by some form of source code parthenogenesis? Patience.
We're not scare-mongering/This is really happening - Radiohead
Re:gnu/linux (Score:1)
GNu components make up such a large part of the entire system (Compilers, All base unix tools)
It's not justified to not call it GNU/Something
99 flavors of linux on the wall... (Score:1)
Then, when someone finally does port to linux, then you start bitching because they don't support your particular distribution.
If there weren't so many targets to shoot for, perhaps you'd have one less barrier to entry for the software providers, one less thing to complain about, and perhaps a bit more respect from the UNIX community.
I print fine on a 722C. (Score:2)
And the higher-end inkjets, of course, do PCL and are supported even better.
It's not great support, and it's not support from HP itself, but you can print to most modern HP inkjets these days.
Beg pardon? (Score:4)
As for drivers, what's a Linux driver in this case? You can send PostScript right to any networked HP printer made in the last 3 years, and at least half of them from before that. What is missing are supported printcap entries for accessing advanced features like multiple trays, collating, sorting, duplexing and stapling. That would be nice to see.
HP drivers at SourceForge (Score:1)
HP has the beginning of some drivers on source forge. I'm using them now to print from my HP Photo Smart 1000. Works pretty good. I still use the cdj550 gs driver for plain old text, as it doesn't use as much ink.
HP Inkjet Website at SourceForge [sourceforge.net]
Re:Taco, check out the Advocacy How-To. (Score:1)
The development manager then said that Bruce was hired for public relations and that I shouldn't take any advice from him on technical matters.
From this response I come to the conclusion that this is either a case of sour grapes between this one developer and bruce, that developers as a whole at HP don't put much stock in Bruce or some combination thereof.
Myself, I didn't get the job, but I found the response to Bruce Perens from one of the developers at HP, shall we say, interesting.
Re:CUPS (Score:2)
You don't usually have to buy printer drivers either.
As an example with our HP LJ4050N, I got the PPD file from the W2K Postscript driver bundle, and installed it under CUPS. Works great: duplex, alternate paper trays, etc.
Check out CUPS and the LinuxPrinting.org Database [linuxprinting.org]
Re:Linux-compatible printers (Score:2)
Re:gnu/linux (Score:1)
What's that? You can't? Oh, so sorry.
Maybe we could call it Linux/GNU since a Linux _requires_ the Linux kernel. Oh, yeah guess you conveniently forgot about that part.
The whole GNU/Linux moniker just reeks of sour grapes for the GNU Kernel still not being useful. Much/most of GNU's increased usage is due to Linux providing the base for it.
Both GNU and Linux are interconnected. Putting one before another in a name is ridiculous, as it implies that one is more important. It becomes a chiken and egg situation. Linux uses GNU tools, but GNU tools require a base OS to run on, period. Hurd, you say? Feh, still waiting
It is therefore, more justified to combine the two as Linux/GNU than it is to say GNU/Linux. The smart choice is to leave the two names separate, as it recognizes each for it's own essence and contribution.
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ROTFLMAO (Score:2)
Perhaps that's because:
Thanks for the chuckles...
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HP has an enhanced lpd/lpr available (Score:2)
They provide an enhanced version of lpd that provides full functionallity for most of their latest printers (i.e. the Color LaserJet 4550, and the LaserJet 8150, which we use here at work). They also provide a gui replacement for lpr, gpr, that allows you to do printer configuration for each print job (i.e. duplex printing, print quality, etc), in addtion to setting defaults. Quite handy.
Re:now if ... (Score:2)
Actually, I think Agilent took that department with them when they split from HP, so you'd have to talk to them. I'm guessing they won't get a clue in this regard for at least a few more years, and will instead continue having NT-only HPLC controllers. (or so I understand it).
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Re:Taco, check out the Advocacy How-To. (Score:1)
Interesting point. I will not argue Bruce's skill, but I hear (although in all honesty I have never talked to him) that his personality can be much like Theo De Ratt (of OpenBSD) at times, and thus, abrasive to be around. You can have all the smarts in the world, but in business, politics always comes into play. (I personally hate politics.)
Re:Michael, check out the Advocacy How-To. (Score:1)
Yes, sorry, my bad, a knee-jerk reaction on my part. I agree, Mike could use a dose of the Advocacy How-To, but then that was the point of my post.
I suspect that the "standard" Microsoft Bashing on Slashdot is par for the course though. Hell, in my first post to Slashdot (which ironically was a "first post") I flamed Microsoft.
The hordes of Slashdotters flamed me back, and although a good quantity were of the "You suck!" Variety, some actually too the time to produce cohesive arguments, and yes, one pointed me to the Advocacy How-To. I had not read it before. Prior to reading it I was a "Pro-Linux Raving Slashdot Lunatic", and I was hardly open to the idea of using Microsoft Products for anything.
Now? Well, currently I am typing this in Windows 2000 (Because the Diablo II Beta test for Lord of Destruction won't work under Linux...) and I am no longer the zealot I once was.
Maybe we can, by the force of calculated persuasion, do this for Michael too.
Taco, check out the Advocacy How-To. (Score:5)
While this is true, HP has pledged support for ALL its printers, heck, Bruce even works for HP now. The fact that the printers are being advertised as Linux-compatible is a big bonus - it gets the name "Linux" out to the public at large. This is called branding.
We have waited a long time (at least I have) for things like this to come about. Cut HP some slack. They are a big company, it will take them time to change their packaging and processing to include Linux drivers on the discs that ship with the printers.
I am more of the position: "Hey HP! Thanks for doing this, I am going to support your company because you support my favoured OS!"
(Maybe I am just over-reacting here, or maybe I have become jaded by the number of unjust flames I have seen originating from slashdot...)
Re:HPUX is painfull (Score:2)
I prefer HP-UX hands down to any other Unix.
I consider HP-UX to be middle-of-the-road myself. It's head and shoulders above SCO or MP-RAS, but that's not saying much. It's about on par with AIX. It can't touch Linux or *BSD in terms of features, although it's more stable on its native hardware, of course.
With HP-UX, you may pay a bit more, but almost everything you need is right there on the OS install disk.
Except for strace, and lsof, and /proc, and gzip, and ssh, and perl5, and /dev/urandom (need to install EGD), and GNU patch, and GNU diff, and GNU make, and the ANSI C compiler (costs extra, but at least you still bundle the K&R C compiler so we can build gcc), and the X11 header files and libraries, and Apache (no biggie, everyone compiles it anyway), and a web browser (c'mon, lynx would be good), and dig/host, and fmt (I had to install it from GNU textutils). I can't remember whether lex and yacc are included or whether they're part of the ANSI C compiler kit, but I'm pretty sure they're not standard either. Oh, and how about a version of whois that doesn't have nic.ddn.mil hard-coded in it?
I can understand not including things like an IRC client, a choice of window managers, etc. But by not including the X11 headers and libraries, HP makes it damned hard to compensate for that.
(All this is based on HP-UX 10.20 -- in fact, I'm typing this from an HP 9000 model 715/100 running 10.20. 9.0x is even worse. I haven't used 11.x yet.)
Re:They're using "GNU/Linux" in a business context (Score:2)
That would be GNG/Linux (Gnu's not GNU/Linux).
Kevin Fox
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Re:Beg pardon? (Score:2)
Re:Ghostscript (Score:2)
Quit your bitching and do it then.
HP scanners (as opposed to printers) (Score:2)
It's a neat little scanner, producing pretty decent quality scans (not as good as the new Nikon scanners, but ...). However, unlike it's SCSI predecessor, it doesn't use HP SCL, and there's no documentation, making completely useless under Linux - no support in SANE.
Anybody know if this situation is ever likely to change or how one might obtain documentation to fix it ???
Tim
Driver? What's a driver? (Score:1)
*Management* is another matter. But you can talk Telnet or HTTP to recent JetDirect firmware loads and the JD neither knows nor cares what OS the traffic comes from. And I'm slowly tinkering up a gadget to do much of what JetAdmin does, but (a) more portably, and (b) without hanging on a useless splash screen for 69 minutes while it fiddles around doing God knows what.
It took a while to find, but there's a CDROM full of PCL and PJL info that cost less than $10.00 with shipping. Go forth and write good stuff.
Re:Linux vs. Microsoft (Score:1)
Re:hp + linux (Score:4)
I've been to the support pages and inquired about linux drivers. A few months ago, I got a variety of reasons for not having linux support for DeskJets. One of them being that linux was considered a varient of unix and printers on unix systems were considered to be outputting 50k+ pages a month. More than what the DeskJet was spec'd for. Didn't matter that I informed them I was using a linux box as a workstation. I then started e-mailing for developer support and got nowhere there. I even took the time to examine the comments in the latest Ghostscript code and found that the developer had an extremely difficult time getting info from HP to build a better driver.
HP deskjets, according to a technician I met at a recent tech conference, informed me that deskjets have a proprietary way of mixing ink on the page to produce high quality output. It's an example they use to explain why their print quality is better than say Epson even though the competitor may have a higher number of dpi on their product. This jives with the Ghostscript comments I read.
Getting the same bang for your buck with a laserjet is no big thing to do on linux. It's when you try to do it on a DeskJet that linux just can't compete and that issue rests solely on HP imho. Providing support on getting linux to run on a PC is one thing. Getting them to develop quality linux drivers for their consumer printers is another.
Re:Linux *is* supported (Score:2)
You forgot lexmark.
Re:HPUX is painfull (Score:2)
HP is supporting Linux because it makes financial sense to do so, just like it makes sense to support Windows NT/2000.
This very question was raised at a meeting with a senior manager when I was an HP employee back in '98. His response, "... as long as we are making $10 billion a year in the Unix market, HP-UX will be around."
I guess I'm biased, having worked for HP before, but I've been doing Unix admin for 10 years on just about every Unix ever made and I prefer HP-UX hands down to any other Unix.
HP-UX is the most fully-featured out of the box Unix there is. Have you even installed Solaris recently? Hmm, no Solstice, no Veritas, no nothing. Might as well be SunOS 4.X, because with Sun, even the basics are extra. With HP-UX, you may pay a bit more, but almost everything you need is right there on the OS install disk.
Let's face it, HP isn't making billions per year in the Unix market by having a sucky Unix. They may not be number one right now, but things can change quickly. Sun better look over their shoulder, because while they spend all their time fighting Microsoft, HP and IBM are gaining ground again.
All IMHO, of course.
- Necron69
Re:HPUX is painfull (Score:2)
This succeeeding in totally confusing install scripts looking for a patch.
Re:HP Printers (Score:2)
About two weeks ago, I came home to find a brand new Phillips CD-RW (32/8/4 or something) waiting for me... of course it happens to be an IDE drive, not SCSI... and I've long since replaced my CD-R with a nice Plextor CD-RW unit, but hey, now my linux box get upgraded from the old Sony 4x reader.
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hp7110i (Score:2)
Re:They're using "GNU/Linux" in a business context (Score:2)
Shouldn't that be GNUNU/Linux?
or GNUNUNU/linux
or for you mathematicians:
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GNU/Linux
not windows only (Score:2)
Linux *is* supported (Score:5)
Gee, maybe they figured that Linux users could actually use the Internet and get the Linux drivers. You are aware that HP is the only printer company (at least that I know of) that is officially supporting Linux, don't you? Do a search for "linux" on the HP web pages and you get a lot of stuff. Do that on the Epson pages and you get zip. Look here [sourceforge.net] for the actual open source drivers on sourceforge.
This was precisely the reason that I bought an HP printer recently when my Epson finally gave up the ghost.
So to Bruce: Know that at least in this one case, the fact that you're there and that HP is supporting Linux has helped an actual sale. Even if you insist on the silly "GNU/Linux" moniker, I can still respect that! :-)
possible solution (Score:4)
Someone should create a form based template with a generic based letter with something like...
Sounds cheesy as all hell, but I'm sure customer service reps, and sales people would surely respond after getting slashdotted with a shitload of emails telling them to wake the fsck up.
Linux config tools (Score:2)
so there ARE config tools.
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Re:Ghostscript (Score:1)
Line printers took text and printed that text, fancy PS and PCL printers also take text and if it is just text, it prints that text just like a line printer would. But it just so happens that to tack on some funky scalable fonts and graphics, a language was added that the printer could interpret and then act on as something much more than just ASCII. As far as lpd is concerned though, it's just the delivery man and could'nt care less what format the job being sent is or what the printer does with it.
My point is, lp does'nt really need to be any more complex with decent (real) printers.
Just one of many reasons no-one in their right mind uses Linux for output to paper.
I just bought a Xerox DocuPrint P8ex laser printer for around $410 au. It's a very nice 600dpi, 8ppm, PCL printer that thinks for itself (ie. has a brain and does'nt need any Megacrap OS to drive it).
I installed Progeny Linux 1.0, and hey what do you know, I was printing from Abiword, Netscape, The GIMP, Gedit and bash just like it was coming from Word, IE, Photoshop, Notepad and command.com. It was a peice of piss.
I could never get my old Lexmark 1100 GDI/WinPrinter going in Linux at the time, including checking Ghostscript. What a slow peice of crap that printer is anyway and why bother! Buying a WinPrinter is about as logical as buying a Win"MODEM", why bother! I personally could'nt care less if crap MODEMS and printers designed to be as cheap as possible to the OEM and encouraged by MS to lock users into their "OSes" are becoming supported in Linux, I won't dare buy another peice of hardware that claims to be something it is not. My CPU is not for modulating or demodulating or telling a stepper motor in a printer to move its dumb arse.
If you want some good stuff, go the extra mile, do the research and buy the good stuff and forget the cheap crap.
http://www.tpp.org/CiscoPrint/ [tpp.org]
Cisco rekons Linux printing is pretty cool.
hp + linux (Score:2)
i recently picked up another computer for my house and got a great deal on a Kayak PII-450 w/ SCSI. At first I was scared about hardware support but there's extensive documentation about all elements of their boxes.
hp-linux.org [hp-linux.org] was a great resource for me, as well as HP's own documentation on linux support for various models.
and in case you're wondering, that site also has info on making stuff like your printers work. so stop whining and check it out, or for christ's sake write your own!
Re:Linux-compatible printers (Score:1)
Ximian (Helix-Gnome) (Score:2)
Re:Linux *is* supported (Score:1)
HP has Linux config tools (Score:3)
There is HP WebJetAdmin for Linux [hp.com] here.
And of course the old standby telnet is very useable under Linux.
As for drivers, the LJ 5/6 drivers that come with the last few RedHat releases work fine for me.
Re:GNU/Linux (Score:1)
Re:possible solution (Score:1)
Re:Linux-compatible printers (Score:1)
Re:Your Firewall (Score:1)
How is this parent post +3 funny? You just wait until I meta-moderate you baby!
Nice cheap shot. (Score:1)
So not to interrupt the public autofellatio session, but shouldn't you wait until a relevant (read: not sinking ship) software house moves over to open-source their products?
Re:Linux config tools (Score:3)
Hey HP: If you really want us to believe you when you say you are jumping into the whole open source thing, how about contributing (GPLed if you like) ghostscript drivers for your deskjets? A lot of us would sit up and take notice if you did, and it really can't be that hard to do (given that you guys have all of the documentation we don't).
I prefer HP's inkjet technology, but support for Epsons in ghostscript is far better.
IBM Linux Printer "Drivers" (Score:5)
My eventual goal was to port the whole thing to C++/Gtk--, non-LPR:NG based setups and the other UNIX systems we supported as long as Gtk was available on them. All the stuff I did was very prototype-level code and it doesn't seem to have advanced at all since I left the company. You can find the drivers at http://www.printers.ibm.com/r5psc.NSF/Web/nppsdr.
Of course, IBM Austin's been cranking out a lot of printer drivers by porting the old OS/2 OMNI driver to GhostScript. If you watch freshmeat or lwn.net at all, you'll see new releases of this driver announced at regular intervals.
Driving printers is a major area where Linux lags behind Windows and OS/2 -- I got to work on those archetectures as well, while in PSC, and the design of the printer subsystem is actually pretty slick. X has Xprt, which seems to do approximatley the same thing, but no one has adopted it. Fortunately we're starting to see movement in this arena at the widget library level, which is better than nothing. I'd still like to see an elegant print rendering system that doesn't require any specific widget set to work, though.
Re:HP Printers (Score:1)
I also like the 932C - have been using it with some lower res HP printer driver under RedHat 7.0. And apparently I'm a trendsetter in this thread, since I don't work for HP. <g>
Re:HP Printers (Score:1)
Just curious - what state is this? I'm from Oregon and HP does a lot of work there.
Re:Linux-compatible printers (Score:1)
Re:HP Printers (Score:1)
I'm just waiting for the first "it's all them damn H1B's taking all our jobs rant rant rant"
I work for HP in the UK. We hear the "it's those damn H1B's" rant in reference to the Brits who have been pushed back across the Pond and are now looking for jobs back in the UK.
I know what you mean about cheap HP printers not working under Linux -- but that's the same for all cheap printers, not just HP. Low-end printers are so impossibly cheap that half of the smarts aren't in there, they're leeching off your main CPU for processing. Nasty Windows drivers for these WinPrinters might sound like a good idea when they give you a I use Windows - but if I buy a printer, I get one that supports Linux, just to make sure it's not one of these accursed WinPrinter abominations.
Re:HP Printers (Score:2)
Re:hp7110i (Score:2)
Your Firewall (Score:2)
postscript (Score:2)
shoot, if a printer is networkable and speaks postscript, are the tools for printer configuration that ship with linux not good enough already? Not trying to be a troll, just an honest question.
Re:They're using "GNU/Linux" in a business context (Score:1)
So it's time for RMS to start using "GNU/GNU/Linux".
It's all part of RMS's strategy: we'll now call it "only" GNU/Linux...
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Linux vs. Microsoft (Score:1)
Has it occured to anyone that Microsoft may be dictating the unavailability of drivers?
I believe that a desktop OS cannot be complete in a home/small office setting without support for low end printing (i.e. DeskJets). Microsoft has been known to perform manipulative practises like this in the past, what is to say they are not collaborating with HP to slow the deployment of Linux DeskJet drivers. Hmmm...any other conspiracy theories?
Dot Martix always worked for me (Score:1)
Re:gnu/linux (Score:1)
Re:Well... (Score:1)
Anything else than what they have now would be great! Anyone else notice that their drivers have turned into full-bore applications? They're memory intensive, take an hour or two to install, and need superfluous 16-bit, ugly windows that run everytime you need to print something. That's not a driver, that's an application!
Not true (Score:1)
Re:Michael, check out the Advocacy How-To. (Score:1)
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To clear this up (Score:1)
He only mentioned parallel, which would not include USB.
Just to clear this up: I'm referring to interfaces that connect directly to a workstation (such as LPT parallel, RSxxx serial, SCSI, and USB) as opposed to interfaces that connect to a network (FireWire, FC/AL, and Ethernet). Printers for the consumer market tend to lack PostScript in favor of raw bitmap printing using an undocumented protocol.
Not in the inkjets (Score:3)
shoot, if a printer is networkable and speaks postscript, are the tools for printer configuration that ship with linux not good enough already?
Last time I checked, a CMYK (i.e. color) laser printer cost well into four figures, too much for a home consumer's budget. Many of the CMYK inkjet printers are often called "GDI" printers (i.e. Winprinters), which means they connect through a parallel port and speak not PCL, not PostScript, but a proprietary language whose only primitive is horizontal strips of pixels one print-head tall. This is why you need (1) Ghostscript to render PS files to bitmaps, and (2) the printer driver to send the bitmaps to the printer. Printer makers often neglect to specify the interface from the computer to the printer, making it hard to develop (2).
Re:now if ... (Score:1)
Yes, HPIB = GPIB. But it gets better: as of version 8.04, all there systems will have LAN based interfaces; no more HPIB cards. You can control the instrument with just a NIC. Of course, my LC/MSD still has their 16 bit ISA HPIB card and it will cost ~ $20K to upgrade the hardware+software to the LAN based version
Will mass spec for food
Re:Printer Compatibility (Score:4)
Re:Linux-compatible printers (Score:2)
OS Compatibility???? (Score:2)
Hardware doesn't need to be "Whatever Compatible". The software should be able to support the hardware.
It'd be like Chevron claiming that Techroline is Ford compatible. Would all Chevy owners start crying foul?!?!? I think not. But if Chevron wants to be stupid enough to cater to just one automobile maker, it would only go to show their ignorance.
Are Linux and Windows Pentium compatible? Yes. The software dictates the compatibility, not the other way around.
Re:Ghostscript (Score:2)
Besides, how else would you do it? That's the Unix way is to cruft things together.
/Brian
Umm... (Score:2)
Of course, if HP did supply Linux drivers, you'd bitch if they weren't open source, or bitch that they didn't work right... and you'd bitch that no one needs a configuration tool, just give me a text file to edit.
They're just saving themselves time and money, and letting the h4x0rs do the work. Seems pretty smart to me.
Re:I'm not convinced (Score:2)
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Debian, but its installation can't touch those of Mandrake, Red Hat, and SuSE. While the install has come a long way, it is far from "chicken-friendly". The closest I've seen to claiming that title was Mandrake 8.0. Of course, I wasn't all that impressed with what the install left me with, it was definitely the easiest I've ever seen.
Re:HPUX is painfull (Score:2)
Linux-compatible ? (Score:3)
Isn't that the way is usually is ? Things are not Linux compatible.. linux is -compatible instead :)
GNU/Linux (Score:3)
Re:Linux-compatible printers (Score:2)
I am aware that ghostscript "hacks" exist for a lot of them, but in my experience they're mostly just that - hacks.
CUPS (Score:4)
Linux OfficeJet drivers are at sourceforge (Score:2)
Debian, an interesting choice for business (Score:2)
I wonder if HPs choice here will affect what is deployed into enterprise enviroments...?
--CTH
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Re:Debian, an interesting choice for business (Score:2)
You're right. I don't know of a software company gettig sued in that context either, but in the telecom industry, when a phone switch goes down, the FCC gets upset, imposes fines on the owner of the switch, then the owner of the switch gets upset and the switch vendor incurs financial penalties for the system's failure to operate. The switch vendor then seeks to place blame on the componant vendors.
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Re:Linux config tools (Score:4)
HP and Linux (Score:2)
Last I checked, the box was still running, even though the project was scrapped and the sysadmin moved to a different position over two years ago.
why HP-UX suXors (Re:Huh? (Score:2)
God bless those Albino Ninjas...
Re:Debian, an interesting choice for business (Score:2)
HP Printers (Score:5)