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Impressions From LinuxTag 44

Posted by Hemos from the good-news dept.
Winfried Trümper writes: "I have published a page with public pictures from the LinuxTag in Stuttgart. Although "only" 90 pictures from all sort of developers were selected, the page is still huge. " It's a good summary page -- check it out.
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  • Where can I get those pins? I need a 6-pack of them...now! :-P
  • "Konqi + KDE-Developer [ndh.net]"

    ... isn't that KDE developer actually a slightly shrunken Frasier from TV?



    "Give the anarchist a cigarette"

  • Re:It's official, Hemos hates us. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    No its just the sysadmin didn't believe the machine would suffer with the default apache settings. :) I believe he will fix the settings soon... in the meantime I have installed a redirection to another apache. Should be smooth now. Sorry for the inconvenience. (Winfried Trümper )
  • No mirrors, sorry. However, the apache process has been tuned to more useful settings. At least the load dropped from 101 to 1. :)
  • Hehehe. Just making more traffic than you for one day. :) However, I think we should do an request for more RAM in the machine if we want to continue this game. ;)
  • Well, that is very easy to understand. The LinuxTag people *wanted* to have a huge number of visitors, the people from Linux-Kongress *didn't*. No joke. They said, the important developers will avoid crowded events. So the Linux-Kongress is small but beautiful (?). Just wait a few days and you will hear very exciting news about the upcoming international Linux Kongress in Erlangen. I'm just not allowed to announce something here and now...

  • Of course... (Score:3)

    by Amoeba Protozoa ( 15911 ) <jordan.husney@noSPAm.gmail.com> on Thursday July 13, 2000 @07:05AM (#937909) Homepage

    These should be submitted to the Linux Image Montage Project [remotepoint.com]!

    -AP
  • CobolScript which is "a COBOL based interpreter that allows Web development"
    It's official - there is no god. Next thing you know, someone will release a version of INTERCAL that produces Java bytecode.
    If you really want to deal with COBOL on Linux, I suggest the 'rm' utility.
    --Shoeboy
  • Well, normally I don't respond to flamebait but since you asked, I'm leaning towards BeOS 5.01 now. So far it's very nice and flexible. I can do quite a bit with it and is extremely stable and fast. Perhaps you might climb down from your bitching post and check it out for yourself.

    Perhaps I seemed to whine in my previous post, but at least I had the gumption to sign my name to it.

    "Is that so?...YOU BETCHA!"

  • Hmmmm I think the server has been /.ed. There's probably a big hole in the ground where the potato powered server used to be. Could be useful as a weapon. I can see the headlines... "Slashdot most powerful weapon on the net!" "One server fried per day!" "Post a URL and watch the server fry!" Heh.

  • Nice troll (Score:3)

    by SurfsUp ( 11523 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @02:54AM (#937913)
    I mean I used to support Linux and thought it was really cool; a rebel, upstart, underdog OS that really might give us a chance at something new and different!

    Nice troll. Can I please translate the content for you? "Linux is just the flavor-of-the-day, soon, the small core of fanatics that actually use Linux will will switch to BSD or BEOS and Linux will disappear as a threat to Microsoft". "Oh, and by the way, can you guess who I work for".

    OK, so *I* am one of those "uncool" people who jumped in in the last year. Does the fact that I just landed a job with one of the coolest companies in Europe, doing nothing but Linux, getting paid to do the things that I used to do for free mean anything? Ahh... I think it's kinda cool, don't you?

    How about the concept of pinning those cute penguin pins onto the shirts of young pretty girls who know nothing about Linux, and thereby get drafted to the cause. You should see what happens after a few guys explain the meaning of the penguin to the girl, ok, she's going to be a self-appointed expert soon, and there is just no other advertising space that can compete. (By the way, any lonely geeks out there, this *works* - take note.)

    The bottom line: You ain't seen nothing yet. This year is only the dawn of cool.
    --

  • Linuxtag was a complete success (Score:4)

    by SurfsUp ( 11523 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @03:21AM (#937914)
    The first day was reserved for suits - they had to pay pretty big bugs to attend the show. I wasn't there that day, but judging by the number of suits still poking around the second day it must have been pretty heavily attended. The show was superbly organized and paced. There were big after-closing parties on Thursday and Saturday, and a dress-up dinner on Friday, with lots of goodlooking girlfriends/wives/girlgeeks in attendance. The aisles were constantly packed, and *everybody* was getting good traffic. Some boothes were really packed - particularly Corel's, which should tell you something about the level of interest in a distro aimed strictly at desktops.

    I don't know exactly what the attendance figures were, but they were expecting 20,000 and it looked to me like they beat that. This year's show was three times the size of last year's, and that has happened every year for the last 4 years. It's a safe bet that next year's show will be 3 times the size again.

    The last day included a job fair - graduating students getting jobs in Linux companies. Cool.

    There was a continuous multiplayer drop-in game of Parsec going on about 6 computers, totally cool. Looks like Wing Commander, except the graphics are better. And no crashes at all, according to the Worldforge guy on the other side of the room.

    I got a cute sqeeking toy penguin from HP for my wife, and lots of cute penguin pins. (See previous comment on what the penguin pins are good for;-) And, oh yes, a job. Hacking Linux fulltime. :-)

    I really can't say enough good things about Linuxtag.
    --
  • I say we resurect COBOL on the PRIME MiniComputer

    Dear Mister Troll: It's not PRIME but PR1ME.
    Please look at this [ultranet.com] picture.
  • The first day was reserved for suits - they had to pay pretty big bugs to attend the show.

    Heh.

    bugs=bucks

    *** Surfsup resolves *once again* never to post without previewing
    --

  • Re:It's official, Hemos hates us. (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Actually the box is a little bit faster and located on the German Research Network backbone. I think Winni never expected that he would see his announcement here.

    I was wondering why I couldn't access the box this morning - it acts as the primary server for GnuPG and I released 1.0.2 yesterday including a Windoze version. So Winni mounted a nice DOS against an encryption software :-). You owe me a beer (but no Kölsch), Winni. Werner

  • You need permission for publishing photos of individuals in germany. So you don't do the guy at ndh.net/home a favour by publishing his url. Yes, I asked all the people on my photos for explicit permission to show their face. However, no response from Qt, KDE and RedHat. I contacted them three times, so I don't know why do you say I'm biased. Before you insult me in the public, you could have at least asked me, my email address is mentioned everywhere.

  • I always thought that... (Score:3)

    by ForemastJack ( 58751 ) on Thursday July 13, 2000 @07:23AM (#937919)

    NT tag was much more fun to play.

    ...or am I confusing that with freeze tag?...

    Hm...

  • I don't code I don't use linux I can't write c-code I can't hack I can't even run a script And yet I'm happy that linux is getting bigger. I wonder what that means What did anyone think was gonna happen to linux anyway when it got big? Of course there's gonna be commercialism - it's how the world works.
  • I've been a Linux user for almost as long as its been available on the 'net for download, and always will be, but personally I'm looking forward to the release of Mac OS X as my next personal desktop OS. Linux has served me really nicely as a server OS, far better than NT for my needs, but I don't think I'll ever really get into using it as a desktop personal OS.

    Mac OS X will (hopefully) fulfill my needs of a very media friendly OS with support from a company with balls and muscle enough to support it (unlike Be, which I was so damned close to switching to for good).

    Your post touched a chord here, anyway. I'll be looking forward to Mac OS X as my front-end on Apple's sexy hardware, and continue putting Linux to work on hardcore backend boxes...
  • How about the concept of pinning those cute penguin pins onto the shirts of young pretty girls who know nothing about Linux, and thereby get drafted to the cause. You should see what happens after a few guys explain the meaning of the penguin to the girl, ok, she's going to be a self-appointed expert soon, and there is just no other advertising space that can compete. (By the way, any lonely geeks out there, this *works* - take note.)

    You know, this might actually work. Whenever girls have looked at one of my Linux mascot dolls or the picture of the Linux Logo on my credit card [linuxfund.org], the reaction is almost universally that the penguin is very cute. I can definitely see young pretty women wanting to wear a Linux penguin pin.

    Speaking of which, where can one get Tux pins?

    - Sam

  • Hmm?

    Uwe Wolfgang Radu
  • I just don't get this craze about embedding Linux. Last time I checked, you still need at least 2M RAM to do anything minimally useful, and 20M to store a minimal fileset. In the embedded world that's considered BIG IRON. The embedded stuff we create here at work runs on a 386 PC104 board with 2M RAM and 500k Flash. We're running PharLap, and much of the 2M aren't in use. Look around the industry, and that kind of setup is very typical. If we had to switch to Linux today, our hardware costs would suddenly shoot up--at the very least for a Disk-On-Chip to store the thing, possibly more RAM as well.

    I'm not saying Linux doesn't have the capabilities, only that its bang-per-byte isn't that great. Its main attraction is the price, but other than that there are many (currently) superior alternatives.

    What really needs to be done is to pare down the kernel to 250KB or less and still include all the useful stuff like networking and a FS in there. Once you can run it on a typical 640k 386 and still have room for your embedded app(s), then you're talking. After that, prune away at the required files until the whole things needs WAY less than 20M--more like 1M or so.

    There are OSs out there today that make do with far less hardware than Linux--I believe EPOC is amongst them, so is QNX, PalmOS, etc. Personally I don't like PharLap which we are using, so I'd be eager to switch anyway. But these are the OSs embedded Linux would be competing with. And simply saying "hey, it takes more hardware, but it's free" doesn't cut the mustard.

    Uwe Wolfgang Radu
  • If you really want to deal with COBOL on Linux, I suggest the 'rm' utility.

    You're in luck - there's a link on the page I cited that indicates that "RM COBOL" [liant.com] is, in fact, supported on Linux.

  • I would be hard pressed to find a worse reason to select an OS to use for any purpose.

    Sheesh, quit being so pragmatic. If everyone picked their OS based on technical merits, linux wouldn't exist as it does today. Remember what linux was like back 5 or 6 years ago? When it took a good week to get the whole thing downloaded from a 14.4 modem (it'd always disconnect as soon as I went to bed) and actually installed? When most of your hardware wasn't supported? But when you actually got it to work it was cool. And thats why I did it, and why a whole lot of other people did to, which is why they contributed to and supported their favorite little underdog OS and made it into what it is today.

  • For lack of a better word, that was a mighty fine zinger... I think they misnamed it, though. it should be:
    rm /usr/bin/cobol
    (instead of)
    RM/COBOL
  • Oh, it was a typo?

    I thought that meant that they had to turn in a copy of Windows to get in :-}

  • ... Where can I get one of those cool red Fedora's?

    Fawking Trolls! [slashdot.org]
  • Point taken Tackat!

    I have to say, this is the biggest laugh Slashdot has given me in years!

    (sad eh?)

    :-)

    "Give the anarchist a cigarette"

  • It's official, Hemos hates us. (Score:5)

    by Shoeboy ( 16224 ) on Wednesday July 12, 2000 @11:31PM (#937931) Homepage
    90 pics on a server in Germany? Not only that, but based on the response time, it's a 386 server, fronted by a z-80 powered firewall.
    The only possible explanation is that Hemos is cackling with diabolical laughter and telling his new bride "Look honey, I just threw 400,000 DSL connected geeks at a box that's connected to the net with tin cans and string." I bet she gets off on that. I would.
    --Shoeboy
  • who else is gonna get on the Linux bandwagon. I mean I used to support Linux and thought it was really cool; a rebel, upstart, underdog OS that really might give us a chance at something new and different! It still might, don't get me wrong, I am just seeing scores and scores of Linux oriented ads and articles of everyone's ideas and thoughts on the OS.

    Quite frankly, it's not all that new and exciting anymore; everyone's dragging it into mediocrity, now I find myself yearning for a new "Unsung Hero" OS.

    Probably just locked myself into a never-ending quest to find the perfect OS. I have no idea what to do once I find it but, hey....

  • With a name like "Linux Tag", it sounds like a penguin wrestling match.

    "Quick - tag me!"

  • Re:Kinda Wondering.... (Score:3)

    by rednic ( 8954 ) on Wednesday July 12, 2000 @11:40PM (#937934) Homepage
    well, LinuxTag has been around since 1996, so this event clearly was not just some "let's hop on the bandwagon" event.actually, LinuxTag was quite cool and I had a really good time there. :)
  • It's German for 'Day'. It's in Stuttgart, after all.

    --
    "You take a distribution! Rename! Stamp CD's! IPO!"
    - CmdrTaco, Geeks in Space, Episode 2 from 6:18 to 6:23.

  • Re:Kinda Wondering.... (Score:3)

    by Shoeboy ( 16224 ) on Wednesday July 12, 2000 @11:43PM (#937936) Homepage
    I used to support Linux and thought it was really cool; a rebel, upstart, underdog OS that really might give us a chance at something new and different!
    I find myself yearning for a new "Unsung Hero" OS.
    I totally groove with this. As soon as you find a new OS that's worthy, it'll just become mainstream like Linux is. Anything cool eventually gets picked up by the uncool and then urban hipsters like you and me find the whole scene ruined. Remember when we shopped thrift stores back in 96 for old atari shirts and crap? Now everyone is doing it. It's SOOOOOO cliche and bourgeois. What we need to do is find a trend they won't imitate and coopt. I say we resurect COBOL on the PRIME MiniComputer. That'll rock. We can say things to the Linux guys like 'PrimeOS never needs to worry about new hardware compatibility' and 'Linux won't succeed in the market due to all you "C" hackers refusing to support the COmmon Business Oriented Language.'
    --Shoeboy

  • More Images + KDE-Booth (Score:3)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 13, 2000 @01:28AM (#937937)

    There are much more images from LinuxTag here [ndh.net].

    And it's less biased -- I miss Photos from the huge KDE Booth on LinuxTag e.g. where they showed the incredible KDE2. Have a look here:

    Kalle Dalheimer [ndh.net]

    Hans Meine [ndh.net] showing aRts, the new multmedia-framework in KDE2.

    Konqi + KDE-Developer [ndh.net]

    KDE-Developers [ndh.net](there seemed to be much more of them there)

    Konqi [ndh.net] And someone (Takkat?) sleeping ...

    Thanks to those students who organized LinuxTag and made it a complete success. In opposition to other fairs LinuxTag is a completely non-commercial event where booths are being donated including equipment to non-profit-projects. Also you can visit it for free. And the whole event is being organized by people in their sparetime just in true opensource-spirit.

  • Re:Slashdotted (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    There were, but I looked in one and it broke.
  • I'll wager that the response time is due to a certain organisation in Redmond has released their new web browser within the last 24 hours, and every looser on the planet is currently downloading the thing, soaking up bandwidth.

    Performance here in the UK sucks badly at the moment.

  • ...and 'Linux won't succeed in the market due to all you "C" hackers refusing to support the COmmon Business Oriented Language.'

    Heh. There's a page on IBM developerWorks about Cobol and open source [ibm.com], with links to various open-source Cobol compilers under development, and to vendors of Cobol implementations for Linux, including CobolScript which is "a COBOL based interpreter that allows Web development" and NetCobol which "is a COBOL compiler that generates Java bytecode-based applications/applets from existing COBOL programs".

  • New? QNX was the underdog in '94 already... It was completely wonderful, amazing, extraordinary, beautiful, only the company got their market strategy all wrong. I mean, it was technically ages ahead of anything Microsoft had, and the multitasking was unbelievably slick, but the company would not give copies to universities, either away or for a reduced price, and the licensing was per-computer. I worked doing industrial automation then, and loved the thing. Of course, I had Linux at home: it was not so slick at the time, but it was Free: speech and beer. Also they(QNX Software) lacked office software: who needs it? Maybe they just wanted the industrial automation niche: the OS was certainly perfect for that, but, you know, senior management has always been Office-dependant. By the time I left that company, there was a lot of pressure to install NT in the factory computers. Good that I left...
  • > I mean I used to support Linux and thought it was really cool; a rebel, upstart, underdog OS ... Quite frankly, it's not all that new and exciting anymore

    I would be hard pressed to find a worse reason to select an OS to use for any purpose.

    --
  • ..or there is, a pun you didn't get. 'sch' is the German equivalent for 'sh' and the day ('Tag' in German) took place in Germany. ;-}.
  • I mean to post this under "Linux Announcement from Sony, Toshiba, NEC, Fujitsu", so mea culpa.

    Uwe Wolfgang Radu
  • I am just wondering why the attendance to the Linux Congress [linux-kongress.de] decreases while there were thousands of people attending this year's Linux Tag ...
  • "Tag" is German for "day." I suppose the American equivalent for such an event would probably be "LinuxDaze." ;-).

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