DivX Support Under Linux? 138
Sesse writes: "XMPS 0.1.1beta is out, with experimental DivX support for Linux (by thunking to the Windows DLL). It's still buggy, but it seems to work! Sounds like good news for bringing multimedia another step away from Windows-only systems :-)" XMPS driving force Damien Chavarria has placed a screenshot on this page about the DivX support. Can anyone comment on success with this, name files successfully viewed, etc?
Re:Ahem.. Linux? (Score:2)
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Re:How legal is this? (Score:2)
Obligatory licensing thread (Score:2)
The key difference here is that the authors of XMPS clearly intended it to be used with this particular non-GPL library and that is believed by some (heresay says RMS himself) to create an implicit license.
I small minority of the KDE code was written without any intention that it would be linked to Qt. (e.g. kghostscript which derives a work from the GPLd ghostscript code)
The implicit license fuzziness can be avoided by adding a line to the copyright to be GPL plus it is allowed to be linked to the particular windows DLL.
And just to headoff the next logical subthread, that depends what the definition of `link' is, consider the spectrum...
The GPL says...
Over the years that definition of `modules' and `components' has wandered around in the spectrum of source, libraries, shared libraries, and ORBs. There is not currently a consensus and you will find reasonable and knowledgable people that differ on whether a DLL linked at runtime is a module or component of a program.
Re:segfault (Score:1)
Re:Ahem.. Linux? (Score:1)
The author is under no obligation to port it to any other architechture/OS just because someone wants him to. If you want divx support for another playform, how about programming it yourself?
Adam
Re:Good luck (Score:1)
Oh, your point #4 is completely inaccurate, try actually reading the law, I have. MPAA can't? You mean, haven't yet - they've won every filing they've made and the defense has lost every one. Expect this trend to continue. Corely is a test case - unfortunately his representation is hopelessly outclassed, their depositions hover over useless territory and pick on old men outside of the focus of the case. They waste the courts time and anger the judge, I expect a quick trial. Next you'll be telling us Napster is not used to bootleg MP3s of copyrighted music.
Re:only one question (here is only one answer;) (Score:1)
what I don't appreciate is what the DivX folks are actually coding, and what the xmps people are using. My understanding is that xmps would have to use parts from ms, as well as divx.
Hopefully there will be collaboration between xmms and xmps, as the xmms people want to offer video too.
Re:How legal is this? (Score:1)
Umm... nope. Divx311alpha license agreement doesn't say jack about paying your M$ tax before you use it. They may have assumed that you would have to do so before you run it, but that assumption will do them no good in a court of law. Sorry, trollboy.
==>>Losing karma by the bucketfull by opposing this Micro$erf, what has happened to slashdot?
Mirror at:http://www.warande.uu.nl/~jverelst/xmps/ (Score:1)
The link is: http://www.warande.uu.nl/~jverelst/xmps/ [warande.uu.nl]
Have fun!!
Re:Its a rip of m$'s "mpeg4" codec (Score:1)
Microsoft is an epitomy of the modern, thoroughly immoral corporate mentality: profit at all costs.
Re:DivX and MPEG-4 resource page (Score:2)
I haven't used flasK mpeg but is there any technical reason it can't be ported? The source code (GPL) is available on its homepage under DOCS. Any coders should also look into the DivX port contest [flashingyellow.com]. In the files section there's a ton of useful source code, though maybe not all legal.
Anyone have a technical description of MPEG-4 compression? I understand a bit about MPEG-1 with distance vectors and all that, but what is it about MPEG-4 that makes it so cool?
Re:Why? (Score:1)
One Microsoft Way
flamebait? (Score:2)
Linux is a crossplatform OS. when programmers limit themselves to the x86 architecture, everyone loses out. the PPC and Alpha crowd at first, but Linux can't finally get "world domination" if most apps run on only one platform and we _all_ get screwed.
i shudder at the thought of a x86/Linux dominated world. Linux is all about freedom of choice, and the whole "Linux on x86 is all that matters" train of thought gets us nowhere.
Re:How legal is this? (Score:1)
Can I get a Witnes^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Mirror? (Score:1)
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Guess I was not too far off. (Score:1)
As I have already said, I think this is amazing, and I really approve of what those people are doing. This enpowers users of free system, me included. But I did post [slashdot.org] a related Slashdot criticism yesterday in the KDE-licencing flamewar here. I was raising the issue of double standards. That criticism was largely ignored, but I feel strangely validated, now.
"[XMPS] is a GPLed app which uses a proprietary library. The licence makes no explicit exceptions. Sound familiar? Now read the Gnotices. See anyone complaining? I don't. Everyone looks thrilled. Somehow, I'm not surprised. Slashdot posters would react the same if the news got here. This is a Gtk+ app, after all."
As I say, not too far off...
"But of course, anyone writing GPLed code and linking it against Qt is a GPL-badmouthing, uptight, arrogant, crack-smoking, gay devil-worshipper. [...] When I see how such troll posts about KDE consistently get moderated up to +5 Intersting, I start looking for the button which allows me to moderate *all* of Slashdot down."
Hmmm... A double standard, maybe? Now tell me I was wrong.
Re:Good luck (Score:2)
Yay! It Works! (mostly..) (Score:2)
It works, although the framerate was quite slow for me (using the SDL output on XF86 3.3.6). I just compiled glx.so, so I'll have to try it again with the OpenGL output. Sound was way out of sync, but it may again be because of SDL. If not, I'll just blame my CPU speed (375 MHz)
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Ski-U-Mah!
Stop the MPAA [opendvd.org]
Re:beos v linux gets a bit hotter (Score:1)
-jpowers
This really does work (Score:1)
It really does work great... just be sure to strictly follow the directions on the page (X in 32-bit color mode will NOT work right).
If you get segfaults, try the SDL rendering method - OpenGL seems to crash for me.
The video works great on this Athlon 750, but I hear the audio gets out of sync if you have a lower end machine (audio is decoded in realtime, so if the video lags it gets progressively out of sync).
beos v linux gets a bit hotter (Score:1)
"But Doctor, if they take away my head surely I'll die?"
Obligitory troll response. (Score:1)
It also makes copies. This is a use of DeCSS that is not deencryption. Rectify this fact with your statement.
Bypassing the region code is a byproduct.
But a use of DeCSS nonetheless.
Oh, your point #4 is completely inaccurate, try actually reading the law, I have.
I did, too, specifically:
"1201(2): No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that--
(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof;
(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof; or
(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof."
You may have missed, in your prior readings, the words "primarily designed" or "limited...purpose."
Then there is the issue that the right to prevent fair use propter hoc is not a right granted to the copyright holder, yet the studios' TPM does this.
There is also the issue that non-copyrightable or expired-copyright material may be behind a CSS controlled system.
The list goes on and on. The defense will demonstrate this when the time comes.
Right now, though, they are involved in depositions [cryptome.org] that reveal that the studios cannot tell you how or when you are entitled to use the stuff on a DVD. They're also fighting the preliminary injunction, and in the process they're severly hampering the credibility of the studios' expert witnesses [cryptome.org].
they've won every filing they've made and the defense has lost every one.
Does that include the motion to have Garbus' firm removed from the defense? Or the motion to have every deposition confidential?
You are terribly misled.
You did not address my points 1-3, or 5-7. You failed on point four. All of these are supported by depositions, court filings, self-evident facts or the DMCA. Your response was mere rhetoric.
I haven't even mentioned how certain elements of 1201 may be unconstitutional, though certain of the plaintiffs arguments would entail such a conclusion. In this sense they're digging their own grave before they've even taken it to trial.
Besides trolling, I'm confused why you would waste your time defending doomed arguments and speaking about the case as if you actually understand what is going on. You clearly don't. Or maybe you work for that DVDCCA thing that MPAA President Jack Valenti has never heard of. [cryptome.org]
working DivX ;-)'s (Score:1)
For testing DivX's I just went to http://divx.ctw.cc/ and checked out their Trailers section. All the trailers I tried worked great.
Only problems I noticed where that sometimes after playing one DivX, if you try to play another it would sometimes be messed up...quitting and restarting xmps worked though.
Sock it to them! (Score:1)
Some questions (Score:1)
Isn't Divx not a real standard format? or is it? if it isn't then we're happy about support for a non-standard format? Isn't Mpeg4 not officially released yet? Don't get me wrong Divx is awesome (never thought I'd say that hehe) and I'm very happy to see it go to Linux. Although they do have the codec functioning now on linux (thats good) hmmm well I would really appreciate some answers =) thanks
My Home: Apartment6 [apartment6.org]
Re:Why bother. When DIVX shuts down phone. All die (Score:1)
DIVX sucks, DIVX is a pay-per-view system.
DivX
Big difference.
Re:Why DivX? (Score:1)
Re:The mpeg people? (Score:1)
Because of that, there was supposed to be some sort of copy protection built into it. M$'s first version of the software didn't have the protection, but a bunch of people downloaded it anyway. Now it's going to be the porno standard for a while. It's a good thing.
-jpowers
Re:How legal is this? (Score:1)
Not good for many people around here who only use Linux and most probably don't own a copy of windows.
Re:How legal is this? (Score:1)
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Re:damn. too late. (Score:1)
It's much cooler to remain incompatible with inferior technologies.
Re:How legal is this? (Score:1)
Re:How legal is this? (Score:1)
Why did they name it DVIX? (Score:3)
"DVD rulls DivX sucks!"
Is there a reason why they chose the name DIVX? Maybe they should call it Matt instead
Re:OT: Drug use (Score:1)
Using Win DLL's to avoid License/Patent Problems? (Score:1)
smpeg 0.40 is out! (Score:1)
I noticed the XMPS page last updated 6/13 and the latest version of XMPS is linked against smpeg 0.10, but since then smpeg 0.40 was released. You need SDL 1.1.3 to compile. The "gtv" application that comes with smpeg is simple, but works well on all the mpeg-1 I've thrown at it, such as the Matrix South Park Trailer. Hats off to the developer(s) at Loki for their fine contributions to free software!
Re:What's the point? (Score:1)
NOT THAT DIVX, THE OTHER ONE! (Score:1)
NOT THAT DIVX, THE OTHER ONE! (Score:1)
Re:A plea (Score:1)
Re:NOT THAT DIVX, THE OTHER ONE! (Score:1)
Ahem...Lysergic? (Score:1)
Selling drugs is illegal, unless you're Pfizer.
Using drugs is not illegal, unless you're actively trying to commit suicide, which is often illegal.
Advocating drug use is not illegal.
I'm going to go way out on a limb with the last one:
You are not smart enough to decide for me whether any of these things is immoral.
You're just going to have to trust me to do that for myself.
-jpowers
Re:How legal is this? (Score:2)
Re:OT: Drug use (Score:1)
"What are you doing with my plants? Hey! you're going to have to pay for those!"
-jpowers
kghostscript, wrong example (Score:2)
Codec not "implemented" per se (Score:1)
"Flipper" - Innocent Typo Or Revealing Clue? (Score:1)
BeDope [bedope.com] (it's mainly humour based) has this [bedope.com] a bit back.
Basically, it pointed at 'clues' between Nintendo and Be working on the Dolphin. Sure, it probably won't happen, but being both a BeOS and a Nintendo freak, this would be the stuff of my dreams :)
Re:OT: Drug use (Score:1)
Income Taxes: The 16th Amendment.
There is no amendment to allow the regulation of drug use.
Re:Some problems with it: (Score:2)
Rofl, well, that'd do it...
-- iCEBaLM
Re:Why did they name it DVIX? (Score:1)
Real is arrogant, not profit minded... (Score:1)
There was an article several months back where one of the biggies, like ABC dropped Real in favor of Microsoft. The main point of contention was not the cost of the server, but that Real was insistent that their logo be emblazoned over everything.
They have an arrogant attitude, like if you want to do streaming video/audio well you have to come to them. Well that's not true any more, and they're losing market share due to their attitude more than anything else.
It's the same attitude that killed Netscape.
Most companies are willing to pay good money to buy a solution to a problem, especially if it's a really good solution. But I know of no company who wants to pay a lot of money and then provide free advertising for the supplier by emblazoning their logo... they want to put their own logo to show who is actually providing the content.
Re:What's the point? (Score:1)
Well, I figured I'd follow on your reply, since it was more detailed than the other. This thing has completely passed by me, and now I have to catch up. Is there anything other than the slashdotted link above? Search engines seem to be indifferent to Divx vis a vis DivX
P.S.: I get it now. DivX, as in DirectX.
Re:How legal is this? (Score:1)
It would be just as if I said that Windows' compression isn't as good as linux's. (of course, refering to winzip vs bzip2, but I wouldn't mention that). Comparing windows vs linux in that case wouldn't make much sense, and neither would it in your case. If you want to compare various MPEG playback programs, be my guest.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Re:Guess I was not too far off. (Score:1)
Yes, I have posted about this [gnome.org] to gnotices (before the slashdot story came up). So people *are* complaining ;)
DUMB ASS NITPICKER (Score:2)
Re:Its a rip of m$'s "mpeg4" codec (Score:1)
Re:segfault (Score:1)
skined vs. GTK interface (Score:2)
Use the skined interface. I tried the gtk one, and it was nothing but problems. No fullscreen, aobut a 50/50 chance the movie would even load, horrible sync, etc.
Changed to the skined interface, and it was like night and day. Can do fullscreen, the sync problems went away, and it was interesting to see The Matrix trailer playing full screen thought my V3 3k's TV out =)
So when you try this, use the skined interface =)
Re:IT'S A TROJAN DO NOT DOWNLOAD (Score:1)
Re: no troll, you just don't wanna admit the truth (Score:1)
I'm glad you printed out 1201(2) - anyone reading it and who has the balls to admit what we all know DeCSS does can now so very clearly see exactly what law was broken and how your claimed defense fails.
You are right about the two filings - I missed them, they were so minor. I stand corrected. However, all significant rulings have gone their way, I expect this to continue.
And, if you have ever been involved in depositions you'd recognize the behaviour in these depositions, Valenti couldn't have been better couched, he was perfect. He gave the defense NOTHING - and that is the ultimate best case scenario. A deposition is not admitable in trial UNLESS contradicted by something the same witness says in court. So, Valenti gave them nothing. They continue to flounder desperately looking for their angle.
I'm sure you didn't mention unconstitutional because you must realize it's not - and the judge has ruled and ruled again and again that it's not.
No, I don't work for any of them and I'm not trolling. I just am not a hypocrite and don't pretend that I expect everything in life to be free and given to me on a silver platter and every time someone running an alternate OS gets something I whine like a baby that Linux should have it for free!
Re:The reaon linux isn't so popular (Score:1)
This Works? (+ some links) (Score:1)
I've been messing with video since the vivo format was the best thing out there and every single time I see a DivX I am blown away with the incredible quality. The ONLY reason I reboot to winblows is to watch DivX's and I've been hoping for a video player for linux for a LONG time...
Please let me know if anyone out there has had/overcome problems trying to get this to work.
Thanks
Links:
DivX
Good DivX FAQ [cjb.net]
Great DivX Site [vcdguide.com] (with a post today about *nix DivX!)
Re:Don't you mean... (Score:1)
Well I, for one, am running it in part because it works on multiple platforms. I may be on x86, but that does not mean that I don't care whether or not it runs on Alphas, PPCs, and SPARCs. Everything from GNU [gnu.org] does and frankly I don't see why anyone should settle for less.
Re:only one question (Score:1)
Re:Some problems with it: (Score:1)
Obviously, it's displaying in 3D. You just need to get a pair of those red/blue glasses, cross your eyes, and it should be fine
Re:How legal is this? (Score:1)
Re:This really does work (Score:2)
Make sure you have it in 16.. go in XF86Config and search for any 32 and change it. If you want to really be sure, make the refresh rate different for 16 and 32 bit color modes, then check to see what your monitor says when you run X.
Re:Some questions (Score:4)
Dude, you are just so wrong! DivX is a hack of MS MPEG-4 candidate code. It has been changed to allow it to be used in AVI files (MS only wants you to use it in ASF due to copy protection stuff) and adds in the Fraunhofer mp3 encode for audio. I believe it is VBR. This hack was possible because the MS code was available under an NDA and 'escaped'. DivX (and MPEG-4 in general) whup MPEG-1,2 ass! A standard VCD is 1374 kbits/sec, fits about an hour of 352x240 video on a CD, and looks terrible. MPEG-1 caps out there while MPEG-2 can do higher resolution/bitrates, but still aint great. MPEG-4 can easily fit about 45 minutes of 640x480 (resolution I sometimes use with TV captures) on a CD. Check out some DivX trailers [divx.ctw.cc] and you'll see what I mean.
A lot of people claim DivX is better than a DVD (MPEG-2), which is true. Just don't expect to see than when you are stuffing the same video on one or two CDs instead of a DVD. It still looks great though.
One other thing, this increased compression is traded off with greater processing power to decompress. You could do MPEG-1 with a pentium 133 or something, but I wouldn't suggest MPEG-4 without at least a pentium 450 or equivalent.
Re:Some problems with it: (Score:1)
You are probably trying it on 32 bit display.
clarificationi (Score:2)
Re:WMA under Linux? (Score:2)
I don't know if it's fast, but it's faster than Real. The only thing Real seems to do better than anyone else is buffering, and playing from a buffer. This really shouldn't be that hard, but well, seen Apple try to do it lately? Quicktime does a horrible job of buffering and playing at the same time, and I'm on a P3-500 with a TNT here.
Anyway, the reason I don't use Real when I can avoid it is because of all the crap they shove down your throat, more than the poor video and audio quality. How many boxes do you have to uncheck to make sure you're not deluged with mail? And the last time I installed realplayer, it installed realjukebox without ever asking me if I wanted it, which I don't. I'm firmly convinced that Real is more trouble than it's worth and I wish that people would stop using it for things I want to see.
Then again, this new divx ;) (SIC) codec solution may be the answer there.
Re:beos v linux gets a bit hotter (Score:1)
"But Doctor, if they take away my head surely I'll die?"
Re:flamebait? (Score:1)
I either agree or disagree with you. Here are the conditions:
-If you are using Linux PPC, *slap* buy a new machine
-If you are using Alpha Linux, you're my friend
It seems that power in numbers means that the power draws more numbers. Usually Windows®, and now its x86 Linux...no matter how much you resist, it is always the laziest way (my way) to go with the flow.
[OT] Re:Ahem...Lysergic? (Score:1)
Maybe not, but I can almost guarantee that it will be stamped out somehow. We have a local talk show host who said on the air that people didn't have to fill out the census. The Census Bureau sent a letter to the radio station threatening legal action for his statement unless he was fired! They canned him. The way our freedoms are being attacked really scares me.
Re:Don't you mean... (Score:1)
>was he?
Boy, talk about TOTALLY missing the point.
>It's amazing how many whiny shitheads crawl out
>of the woodwork whenver x86-only software gets
>announced.
Wasn't it basically the same type of "whiny shitheads" that decided things could be done better by open, free software? The guys that figured that just because something was one way didn't mean it was the right way or the only way?
>Either get off your ass and contribute some
>portable software to the community, get x86
>hardware, or shut the hell up.
I think the point he's making (and that you're entirely failing to grasp) is that one of the major strengths of Linux (and [Open,Net]BSD) is that it IS so portable. Releasing code that's so platform specific basically eliminates one of Linux's major strengths.
-LjM
IF "Not Troll" THEN "Wilfully Ignorant" (Score:1)
The copy part is a subfunction.
What you classify is a subfunction is irrelevant. It, as well as bashing regional control, remain functions of DeCSS, and as such a defense to 1201(2).
Visit the crop of new MPEG4/DivX sites that give very specific instructions with screen shots on how to use DeCSS (or newer, better iterations based on the same stolen technology) to rip a DVD, including menus and special features and how to compress them and how to make VCDs or standalone MPEGS/AVIs from them.
Have you actually downloaded and used any of these to determine their nature? Neither have the plaintiffs.
1. DeCSS is not a requirement to make VCD/AVIs of movies on DVDs any more than it is a requirement to make them out of a VHS tape.
2. You cannot put DVD menus or "special features" into a VCD.
3. This is not a copyright violation trial. The plaintiffs have not accused Eric Corley of violating copyright, so your point is moot. Eric Corley is not responsible for what is possible for other people to do with DeCSS.
When I can find for you dozens upon dozens of full lenght DVDs posted to alt.binaries.movies that proudly list "DeCSS" in their subject line your "for educational purposes only" reverse engineering claim goes no where.
I have never mentioned reverse-engineering or education, so your repeated mention of this does not help your argument. These are not my areas of expertise, though despite your sharp argumentation to the contrary, a defense can be made of these issues, too.
However, all significant rulings have gone their way, I expect this to continue.
All one of them?
He gave the defense NOTHING
The "nothing" he gave them was exactly what the defense was looking for. Besides, did you notice there were maybe 25 pages of confidential "nothing" that he testified to? Must have been some pretty hot-and-heavy "nothing."
I'm sure you didn't mention unconstitutional because you must realize it's not - and the judge has ruled and ruled again and again that it's not.
Falsehoods of this nature lead me to the if-then statement in my subjectline. The judge has ruled no such thing. The judge has not had an opportunity to do so, as the case is not at trial; and he would not even consider doing so until the defense pressed the issue given the plaintiffs inevitable position.
If DeCSS is found to violate 1201 and the defendant is found to violate the anti-trafficking elements of 1201, the defense will argue that those elements of 1201 are unconstitutional (or at least vague and internally inconsistant) because of the necessary conclusions that 1201 prohibits fair use, violates the first amendment, etc. The plaintiffs may also be in violation of anti-trust law as a result of their testimony in their depositions.
I just am not a hypocrite and don't pretend that I expect everything in life to be free and given to me on a silver platter and every time someone running an alternate OS gets something I whine like a baby that Linux should have it for free!
While I assume you're attempting to characterize my arguments with that statement, you're pretty far off (again).
I have not mentioned linux. I have not mentioned "free(beer) software." I have argued that the trial is a test case for the media conglomerate's pet law to see how much their money in Washington bought them. Unfortunately, it bought them an overbroad statute that sits in an uncomfortable position between the first amendment and anti-trust statutes that will necessarily be resolved by the judicial system; and I do not suspect they will be rewarded for their duplicity.
So, if you're not "trolling," which really, by definition, you are at this point, you really ought to take the time to educate yourself rather than lashing out at things you don't understand. It really makes you a pitiful character.
And you haven't clearly addressed my original premises, by which the plaintiffs are likely to lose their case.
Re:Some questions (Score:2)
The same thing happened with mp3 you know.. it really had nothing to do with mpeg (i mean, it *IS* mpeg II layer 3, but that's not why it was popular).
THink about it. How many of the mp3 players actually are full mpeg II players? basically none.
mp3 is a standard in it's own right sipmly because it emerged as a popular way to ship music around the net. Period. This would have happeend whether it was a rock-solid ISO standard, or whether it was something hacked up by geeks.
The skinny on "DiVX ;-)" (Score:1)
Oh, and DiVX ;-) looks almost as good and sounds almost as good as a DVD... and if you have a fat pipe, it's easy to get and free... blows VCD/MPEG1 out of the water too. =)
BcKSpacE AKA [Dilbert]
Re:beos v linux gets a bit hotter (Score:1)
This is a classic clueless fanboy post.
I'm NOT a BeOS fan, AC. Nor do I read any of their info. I had a bunch of the same PCs lying around at work, installed Win98SE on one, BeOS on the other. I ran the same videos on each one. Then I ran more than one at a time. Mixed a few apps in. Result: BeOS ran the video with nary a flicker. Windows didn't.
Now look at Civ3. A god-game any os can manage (even linux). Watch the little movies pop up when you build a wonder. Watch the video flicker and the mouse skip across the screen under Windows. (Not much better under Linux). What would that be like under BeOS?
Now look at the increasing amount of CG cutscenes used in video games. You think M$ would fix DirectX to handle them? No. Their video continues to trip over their own mouse drivers.
Their sound is good?
I set up the sound card and it worked. Same with Windows and Linux. Can't ask for much more than that.
Their multithreading is good? They support threading primatives just like unix and win32 Perhaps you're refering to the fact that the APIs force you to use a thread per window, even when it doesn't make sense? You can have your app broken up into 1000 threads, but since 99% of the time, one of those threads is doing all the compute bound tasks sequentially, you gain nothing, and lose due to scheduler overhead.
Frightening as it is, AC, I actually get what you're saying here. The threading makes no real difference unless you have multiple chips to spread the threads among, right? Now, if you were some sort of Lord High Quake god, and you had to have the best machine to beat the other Quake gods, and Quake ran multithreaded under the hypothetical BeOS runtime, how many chips would your computer have? As many as you could fit inside. Win2K handles more than one chip, too, right? Who's multithreading is better?
Who would buy a BeOS game OS? who would write games for it? what is the advantage?
It would come with the games, just like the old DOS runtimes, BUT it would install once and then any other games that needed it would run it. The advantage is that you have an environment to run graphics and sound JUST FOR THE GAME. The other advantage is that it would run under PPC, too. Not that I'm a Mac fan, either.
But Windows DOESN'T get out of the way. Windows freezes and GPFs all the time while we play games on it. This runtime I'm HYPOTHESIZING would never be in the fucking way in the first place.
Please try to think rationally, and more importantly, know when you're in way over your head technically. You're just making yourself look like an idiot.
You disagreed with me. Fine. You presented technical information to refute what I suggested. Good, I don't mind being wrong, and I've learned more reading this board over the past two years than I could ever teach anyone else.
All the same, there's no call to question my ability to think rationally. It's the one area where I'm never [eserver.org] over my head.
-jpowers
Re:Codec not "implemented" per se (Score:2)
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Ski-U-Mah!
Stop the MPAA [opendvd.org]
lys (Score:1)
The station made a choice to protect its financial interests. They could have sued the Census people, though what company makes that decision these days?
-jpowers
Re:Are there any kind souls in Linux Land? (Score:2)
You need SDL (find the SDL-devel RPM, available from lokigames.com), and you also need smpeg (also available at loki). Just install those, and their *devel packages and it should compile fine.
The Perfect Example. (Score:2)
DeCSS + DivX is exactly what the MPAA has been talking about. You can rip a DVD into a very nice quality movie that can fit onto a CD and is easily downloaded from usenet after it's been RARed.
I wonder if there is anyone out there who still thinks DeCSS wasn't built for the strict purpose of ripping DVDs, just as Divx's only purpose is to make the ripped files smaller while retaining decent quality... ya know (wink wink) for all those legit movies you are copying (the ones YOU personally have the copyright to because you cannot even copy a DVD you own).
Of course, by the time the linux Divx playback is working, we'll be running mpeg-4 proper. alt.binaries.movies is the largest usenet group by a nice margin - and nothing but Divx encoded, DeCSS ripped DVDs. I think the MPAA will have no problem proving it's case...
how I got TV out support on my Voodoo 3000 (Score:3)
nifty little program called lm_sensors. Lm_sensors...not just for cpu temp monitoring anymore =)
you can get lm_sensors here [netroedge.com] you will also need the i2c package they have there. Screw RTFM, and just make and make install to the i2c source, then make and make install to the lm_sensors source. The default install is what you want, to compile everything as kernel modules and put them into /lib/modules/2.2.16. Then depmod -a
Now, just modprobe i2c-voodoo3, and modprobe bt869. Now, when you are in X, you can use the TV out. But wait...it's all static, how do I get it to work?
You need to add NTSC modelines into you XF86Config. there are as follows
ModeLine "640x480NTSC" 28.195793 640 656 658 784 480 520 525 600
ModeLine "800x600NTSC" 38.769241 800 812 814 880 600 646 649 735
and for all you PAL people (poor saps (^_^) )
ModeLine "640x480PAL" 29.50 640 675 678 944 480 530 535 625
ModeLine "800x600PAL" 36.00 800 818 820 960 600 653 655 750
Now, what I did was make my 640x480 Modeline NTSC all the time. That way, I could activate it by just a ctrl-alt-(+/-), and then programs like snes9x will automaticly use that 640x480, and be in NTSC mode. Remember, if you don't change your normal 640x480 modelines to the NTSC, and want to use them as is, put 640x480NTSC into your "screen" section of your XF86Config file. And also, as always, restart X after you change your config
That's it, have fun =)
Re:The reaon linux isn't so popular (Score:2)
Lets hope that someone will release either binary RPM (prefferable static), or - maybe someone will write a KDE version
Re:This really does work (Score:2)
The Matrix trailer works GREAT, like flawless... I've tried some intros to some other movies, with varying results. Some of them have messed up video, with audio working fine. Some segfault it.
Re:What's the point? (Score:2)
WMA under Linux? (Score:3)
This really is a relevant issue. Please don't moderate this down just because it has Microsoft smeared all over it. I (frankly) find it quite amazing the support that you all are giving Microsoft's (broken) MPEG4 stuff!
~GoRK
Completely different (Score:2)
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DivX and MPEG-4 resource page (Score:5)
This is an excellent resource for more information about the DivX codec as well as MPEG-4 compression in general. Now, if only FlasK [go.to] could be ported to Linux...we'd be made in the shade.
damn. too late. (Score:5)
People should remember that this DIVX isn't the same DivX as the stupid dvd pay-to-play clone thing, it's just a video codec.
since DIVX and ASF are supposedly based off the same mpeg4 codec, is there a chance somebody can also hack the .asf format to play on linux? Microsoft has boasted that .asf is based on open Mpeg4 technology, therefore it should, in theory, be possible to hack out a decoder for linux.
One of the main things I find lacking in Linux compared to doze is video support. I have a lot of asf and divx files I really want to play, and I haven't been able to get media player to even run in wine, so native support for these would be a HUGE milestone (from my perspective) in no longer needing to rely on windows for video.
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1995: Microsoft - "Resistance is futile"
Re:Some questions (Score:2)
Good luck (Score:2)
1. You can make screenshots of movies on DVD through many means.
2. DeCSS does not help the process. The means of taking screenshots do not require the use of DeCSS.
3. The current case against Eric Corley is not about copyright infringement, but is a test case for the MPAA's pet anit-circumvention law, the DMCA (aka 1201).
4. It is not illegal to traffic in a circumvention device that has non-circumvention uses.
5. DeCSS has non-circumvention uses, such as copying files and bashing region protection. (but that is a copyright violation you say? Unfortunately for you, that's for a court to decide.)
6. The MPAA has not established how a person gets or is denied authorization to access a movie.
7. Until they do, DeCSS may not be circumvention at all.
Care to address these points? You might have a hard time, because the MPAA [http] sure can't.
Technical Question. (Score:2)
What exactly IS thunking and how does it work? I know that Win95 thunks to the Win16 code, but I don't know what process is involved.
Re:WMA under Linux? (Score:2)
Well..it depends (Score:2)
of file formats. Most notably mpeg-1.
This divX-thing is just an addon.
It is probably a bit like plugins for xmms.
As long as neither the plugin or xmms was created
_for_ eachother it is okay.
It all comes down to, I guess, wether or not
the people behind xmps are going to create their
own implementation, and just says "well, ours is not ready yet, but some people have told us you can use the windows-dll".
If however they have deliberately created the
function for the closed windows-dll, it is much
more fishy.
They could probably get out of it by removing
the functionality, and giving it away to some
other people who only distributes a patch
that "may or not" let xmps play divX on Linux.
It really sounds rather scetchy anyway.
The GPL really isn't the right solution if you
want to include closed-sourcecode.
Some problems with it: (Score:2)
-- iCEBaLM
only one question (Score:4)
however, my question is: since DivX is, in some bastardised way, related to MPEG-4, once the real MPEG-4 is finalised will it be possible to adapt the XMPS code as a base for an MPEG-4 codec? Seems like if this is the case, then the time spent developing the DivX codec will have been very very useful. I can't access the page; what liscence is it released under? GPL or LGPL i assume? [go lgpl!]
<font size=-2>note: i'm sorry if i've offended anyone who thinks that DivX is a very useful and effective format for pirating movies or whatever. if you've gotten good use out of the codec, i'm happy for you. i just myself have no use for the thing and think you'd be better off reverse-engineering
[and now watch as slashdot, in its typical fashion, responds to everything in this post _except_ the one thing i _want_ responded to..]
A plea (Score:2)
Why doesn't freshmeat mirror it's files?
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1995: Microsoft - "Resistance is futile"