Free Realtime Video Editing for Linux 227
paRcat writes "Broadcast 2000 Final has been released. To those that are into realtime 640x480 video editing, this is good. It's an awesome package, and all free! Here's the link." Has anybody out there tried this yet? It sounds great, but so far we haven't been able to dig up anyone who's actually worked with this software to get their take on it.
Re:SOC/RO -- Musings on Video for Linux (Score:1)
Re:Looks Good! (Score:1)
But why would you? Win95/NT video editing programs are way more functional, support more effects, more hardware, and have a much better user interface?
Linux is great for a render farm, but leave the real video editing to a Mac or Windows box. You honestly can't compare bcast2000 to programs like Adobe Premiere.
Yeah, go ahead, moderate the truth down you losers. Can't take it?
HEY MORONS! (Score:1)
The Y2K statement was a joke...
The Hardware Requirements are also a joke... Indicating that you can never get fast enough or enough hard disk space for video editing.
DUH!
As Seen in the GSA catalog:
Clue, Get A, one each.
No Bogus. (Score:1)
Let's clear this up (Score:1)
That's completely irrelevent to the conversation. Why you chose to start your post with it is beyond me, however some moderator seems to like it so, hey work the Be groove..
Until that time, Linux should probably focus on building market share by improving the Gimp and developing a strong vector graphics app to compete with the main 2 commercial OSes.
True. But that's not neccesarily going to happen. Linux does what Linux wants to do, one of the things that make so many of us like it and hate it at the same time. Look at it this way, there are a lot of folks on this very board who will rant on and on that Linux is only good for a server platform and will also mercilessly flame anyone who doesn't understand the crufty old man files and asks for a real help system. There are also people (like me) who simply use it for their desktop OS only, learning basic Unix commands and system administration and checking email, D/L'ing pr0n, things like that. For every one of the above two types there is also someone working on "super-widget2000" which will either revolutionize the way we eat cheese or will copy-cat the functionality of a large, commercial program without the cost. What do all three types have in common? The fact that if we have attracted people to Linux, it's our freinds who we help and support on a personal level. There is no business model for Linux. Let Red-Hat and Corel figure out how to make one. The rest of us are happy enough with what we have/are getting soon.
By the way, aside from pure evolution - what kinds of long-term goals do the Linux community forsee?
I think it was the Glorious MEEPT who said something about merging the various divided factions of Linux users into one large divided faction. Above that I'd just be happy that we aren't stuck with 2 closed source commercial OS's and be *real* happy whenever someone releases something cool like broadcast2000...
Sorry If I'm coming across harsh but that's how I am. You understand...
BT848, BT878 Cards (Score:1)
This is really cool - the Video Toaster comes to Linux - but I need some capture hardware.
Anybody?
Re:5 Gighertz Per Athalon? (Score:1)
For those of you speculating and do not wish to view the page, here are the recommended specs:
Too bad I'll have to wait 5 years to build such a machine. But it is interesting that they develop it with a P150.
Disclaimer: No humor intended as to not annoy the humor impaird. All speculative humor is purely in the mind of the insane reader and has no bearing in reality. Author cannot be held liable for any damages due to enjoyment (or lack thereof) of said humer. Offer void in Massachusetts and Utah. Only while supplies last.
What's an Athalon (Score:1)
If this works it will be great (Score:1)
I guess I'll have to put one of my Bt848 cards into my dual celery 450 system.
Hauppauge boards (Score:1)
One of the labs I'm working in at school uses Hauppauge boards exclusively.
On that regard, look for even more Bt848 fun in the videoconferencing arena. Hopefully by the end of the semester, it depends on whether or not we can release the code without needing to jump off a bridge from embarassment at revealing it.
Re:5 Gighertz Per Athalon? (Score:1)
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This is just plain wrong... (Score:1)
I'll try it! (Score:1)
Frankly, the rippers and encoders that I've seen for Linux suck. If this one does any better, I'd be thrilled. I went through hell just to try to make a short MPEG-1 movie clip (from Transformers: The Movie, yay!), and I didn't even manage to get sound. Why? Because the free stuff is hard to figure out, and isn't documented that well. If I knew more about the file format, I could probably tweak it more, but I just wanted to capture a movie!
I'll tell you guys how it works out on my (crappy) system. You really shouldn't do this stuff with IDE drives, and not that much space to boot. I'll probably have better luck once I get a new system.
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Re:I'll try it! (Score:1)
I only wish that I could upgrade to 2.2.14 and get the bttv grabber working better, and get sound captured too. But I think that's really hardware/driver stuff, and not their fault. I also wish I could get full duplex out of my cheesy sound card.... And get a video player that supported some more codecs...
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Re:Something that should be obvious (Score:1)
Then run ldconfig.
Much better for me than LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
Tim
Re:is this bogus? (Score:1)
Well, I'll try seeing if it can be used to fsck around with my Blender-produced animations... ::sigh:: I wish I had a faster machine with some free card slots so I could get a video board.
Re:Hrm (Score:1)
http://www.soundtracker.org/
Re:Hrm (Score:1)
sure, the built-in wav editor is pretty basic, but it's just supposed to be for quick and dirty stuff.
my opinion (and it's just that: an opinion) is that if you're spending more time in the wav editor than in anything else, then you don't really know what making music is all about.
-l
Re:? (Score:1)
-l
I've tried it (Score:1)
* I cannot load an mpeg file that I created using blender and mpeg_encode. Instead, I had to use a 'jpeg list' format.
* I had problems with loading mp3 music files.
* I couldn't render the output as mpeg.
Maybe I was missing something, but the documentation wasn't that complete. I hope that this will change though.
Re:The requirements are too high (Score:1)
Re:DO NOT OPENSOURCE BEOS (Score:1)
Great! Use the one you like best.
And they are all worse than the original windows clone.
Hm, have you tried IglooFTP? http://www.littleigloo.org/iglooftp_downloads.php
And... what's the "original windows clone?"
Not to mention how many are still alpha/beta code. I nearly had a heart attack when icewm hit version 1.0.
It must be rough to have your life so constrained by version numbers...
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And... (Score:1)
(You need the new I2C stack from the lm_sensors package for this, though)
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Re:is this bogus? (Score:1)
Is there any such thing as a 5Ghz Athalon? No.
So yes, it does appear to be an actual joke.
Re:Hrm (Score:1)
Re:Hrm (Score:1)
Were talking about converting TV signal to something to use on the computer... scan lines dont matter, we need a resolution.
Have you ever seen a pro nonlinear video rig? (Score:1)
Take a look at some of the equipment on Avid Technology, Inc. [avid.com]'s site. According to one product spec I saw, it allowed up to 1080GB of available storage for collaborative video editing.
While I don't know if the software in question here quite warrants it.... it's not necessarily insane.
Of course, Apple is big too... (Score:1)
But Avid is definitely the biggest fish of them all these days.
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Re:please please please someone answer (Score:1)
Re:please please please someone answer (Score:1)
Re:NO BUILD SYSTEM? GRRR... (Score:1)
Slashdot is really a group of perl files, etc. The main difficulty is configuration..not compilation. I think what we really want from him is a SNAPSHOT...just take whatever code there is and throw it into a tar file. Slashdot is really hardwired for their situation, and anyone else who wants to use it KNOWS that they will have to do a lot of work to make it work on their own configuration.
In comparison...Broadcast 2000 is a final release of a product made for others. From his release file, it looks like he is making it deliberately difficult to compile.
In fact, it currently won't compile at all for me, because I need to determine what typedef he left out of
Re:DO NOT OPENSOURCE BEOS (Score:1)
Re:What is funnier is the system requirements. (Score:1)
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Re:Looks Good! (Score:1)
Re:OpenGL for video effects? (Score:1)
Your going to see some integration of OpenGL into the 2D rendering structure in the future. It really depends on the HW. But there is talk of using OpenGL in conjunction of XIE.
Pan
Re:Software sounds great, how about drivers? (Score:1)
Re:Hrm (Score:1)
Uhh, let see, how do you capture video? A frame at a time. How many frames per second do you need to capture an uncompressed NTSC signal? 29.97 Get it? Each frame takes some disk space and bandwidth to capture. It is important.
Oh, hey I should say that the figure I gave before are the DV standards which is what is used for NLE. So the broadcast suignals might be different, but we are talking about NLE here so that is why I gave those figures.
Re:Hrm (Score:1)
Heres a link [crs4.it] in case you are bored and want to read all about CCIR-601.
Re:Another NLE project, a boost for (Score:1)
Sure with reparenting on they'll only see my post, but they might also get curious enough to click through to the parent. Since the comment is currently ranked at 5, I think it worked (or at least helped).
I hadn't thought about simply reposting the data with credit though. I'll try that next time and see what happens.
cheers,
-matt
video editing for windows (Score:1)
OFFTOPIC: I need MPEG-4 viewer (Score:1)
Re:Something that should be obvious (Score:1)
Then symlink
That bash script'll set the library path for you, so you can keep the whole distro together, in case you don't want it and have to delete it.
Anyone interested in making rpms? I'd make 'em myself, but I can't for the life of me figure it all out. (And I still can't find the back key binding for the info-page reader. blah.)
James
jppeg.c uilds for me (Score:1)
./gfx/jpeg-6b/jpeglib.h:struct jpeg_marker_struct {
That one at least isn't a problem. But since I'm
stuck at libc5 I can't install nasm and it fails
a little later.
The author may be guilty of a little sloppiness, but hey if it works it can be cleaned up. It's got critical mass, and that's what counts.
Re:You people are disappointing. (Score:1)
Do you know the author or have you been following the project for awhile? Lots of times when someone you don't know makes "jokes" it looks foolish -- this is especially true for something like a realtime video editing project. I guess when you think of something like that, you're expecting a web page that's a little more professional, that's all. So, I can't blame people for thinking it's a hoax.
Re:Hrm (pedantic alert) (Score:1)
SOC/RO -- Musings on Video for Linux (Score:2)
Something that should be obvious (Score:2)
Read the clues (Score:2)
What, so, now any joke or quirky humor (which some of us happen to like) means that everything else is invalid?
Yeah, ok, let's see, I think I'll waste a ton of time making up a WHOLE BUNCH of crap about a fictional video editing package, just as a setup for a few measly half-jokes at the bottom of the page.
At least there are a FEW of you who realize how FUCKING COOL and IMPRESSIVE this package is. Are you all linux advocates like you claim so fashionably to be, or not?!
Sheesh, people...... c'mon now..
Re:5 Gighertz Per Athalon? -OMG!!!!!!!! (Score:2)
HOOOOOOLY SHIT!!!!
These people have to be the absolutely most stupid, slow brained monkey fucks I have ever
encountered in my life.
IT IS A JOKE. HAHAHA
Practice laughing with me boys and girls.
"HA HA HA"
The author is making a JOKE!!!!
How dumb can you fools be?
How long have you spoken English?
Where are you from?
Do you know what sarcasm is?
Do you know when not to post and shutup? (I don't)
To spell it out ONE MORE TIME
The author is making a joke about the preferred
hardware for video editing to use his real application.
Wow - I can't believe I had to do that.
Re:NO BUILD SYSTEM? GRRR... (Score:2)
This reminds me of something that came up w/ the CmdrTaco interview last week. He suggested he hadn't released the code yet because he hadn't done all the little things, like documenting and setting up a proper configuration system. The response was that he should release it anyway, and the community would fix the problems. I'd say the same philosophy should apply here. I'd rather have the source now, then wait for the programmer to LEARN to setup a proper build system.
Amazing so far (Score:2)
From README.src:
"Broadcast 200 is GPL. Through the magic of credit, the development costs have been shielded from the user."
When I went to CDIS college for a week, one of the things they showed us was video editing. I ventured a question: How much does the hardware and software cost? The professor gave me a rough estimate of ten thousand dollars. I sadly thought that such a potential low-barrier entry market should not be made high-barrier by the cost alone.
GPL'd software is not the end of all the caveats to make software great, however. One of the things that makes the GNU project's software so great is portability. Also, a lot of the GNU project's software is very solid. I am very interested in a professional video editor looking at this software and giving us input.
Kudos to the Broadcast 2000 team.
What are credits?
This is exactly what I need (Score:2)
This is absolutely perfect timing, too, as we're just about to embark on our first sci-fi film. This could not have been released at a better time, if the writers had tried.
So, once again, a VERY big thanks!
ATI cards? (Score:2)
Looks Good! (Score:2)
By the looks of the screenshots, this software was used in the making of Titanic!
; )
Re:Hrm (Score:2)
/* Steinar */
Re:Hrm (Score:2)
FireWire/Apple iMovie (Score:2)
Right now, I use EditDV for the Mac. I'd probably try B2000 if it had support for QuickTime, since I know of no FireWire capture software for Linux. Anyone have information on that?
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Whoops (Score:2)
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Premiere? (Score:2)
If this is really real time, it's a significant breakthrough - real time typically requires horribly expensive equipment. Only reason I'm not downloading it in a rush now is that I need support for my FireWire video camera.
What decent bcards are compatible with Video for Linux, anyway? I had the impression it was for pretty low-quality cards.
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OpenGL for video effects? (Score:2)
Re:I hope this is real. (Score:2)
Re:Hrm (Score:2)
PAL is 720x576 @ 25 fps
640x480 is the "standard" internet distribution resolution. So no, this is not TV production level, but it is fine if your only doing internet distribution.
Re:Another NLE project, a boost for (Score:2)
In any case, I'm lending my karma whore +1 bonus to the parent [slashdot.org] of this reply. Go read it, it's informative.
Re:5 Gighertz Per Athalon? (Score:2)
I'm not directly familiar with Broadcast, but I have had some pretty good results messing around with Adobe Premiere and Aftereffects. I have an Asus V3800 TNT2 with TV out, and exporting to a VCR via that, was quite simple. As for getting video in, check out http://roadrunner.swansea.linux.org. uk/v4l.shtml [linux.org.uk] which has some pretty good info on linux supported video capture cards, as well as other v4l stuff.
hummer
Re:Something that should be obvious (Score:2)
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/bcast2k/lib
This allows B2K to find its libraries when it runs.
IEEE1394 (Score:2)
It'd be neat if I could do it all under Linux and not have to get Premiere for Win2K or whatever.
Re:? (Score:2)
Re:please please please someone answer (Score:2)
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Re:ATI cards? (Score:2)
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Re:please please please someone answer (Score:2)
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Re:is this bogus? (Score:2)
Re:is this bogus? (Score:2)
Re:? (Score:2)
Faster then the fastest 10000rpm scsi drive actually, but it does have higher CPU usage.
Checkout www.storagereview.com for the real skinny...
(a combination of aureal density and rpm is how you get hard drive speed, not rpm alone)(well, plus seek time, buffers, interface, etc..)
Re:? (Score:2)
Re:? (Score:2)
The Maxtor Diamond Plus 40 is curently the fastest IDE drive out there. There is also a Maxtor Diamond 40 which is 5400 RPM and a bit slower, but still faster then most things going...
Check out www.storagereview.com for info on the speed of the more recent hard drives.
Re:Is that for real? (Score:2)
Re:Is that for real? (Score:2)
Sorry if i come off as flamebait but that's just idiocy
Re:Software sounds great, how about drivers? (Score:2)
Re:Another NLE project, a boost for (Score:2)
I must thank you for your try, though. Moderators sometimes need a little, um, outside help.
Re:On a similar note... (Score:2)
A new version (0.15.6) of bttvgrab [uni-oldenburg.de] is available, also today. This is a simple but nice frame grabbing program for BT848 cards.
I've been looking into using bttvgrab as a cheap replacement for a VCR, but haven't found the time yet. Has anyone done this?
Linux Media Labs-compatible (Score:2)
yeah (Score:2)
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Software Like this makes Linux viable. (Score:2)
It's biggest competition is a $500 or more piece of software that will only run on an MS platform. This fits perfectly with "selling" the OS as a mainstream, desktop solution.
Think of it like this: MS develops apps that people will want to run. They spend money to create software and hardware that only works with it's OSs in order to stimulate the sales of that OS. People not wanting to spend alot of money on apps and software are going to LOVE this Linux based solution.
Now if the higher end video capture and DV editing cards came with support for linux... My Canopus DV Rex M1 simply won't work under linux... yet...
--Alex
Trojan / Joke? (Score:2)
And there's an unhealthy amount of anonymous cowards praising this package in a rather juvenile style.
If it's real and works well then that's really cool. If it's something more sinister. BTW: If it's a real project, I'd be real keen to help - gimp style plugins / scripting would be cool.
Re:IEEE1394 (Score:2)
Re:Hrm (Score:2)
Codecs? (Score:3)
--JT
NO BUILD SYSTEM? GRRR... (Score:3)
----SNIP-----
This source tree is for reference and posterity purposes, and possibly
MMX. There is no support for building the source code. You should
have already run the binary and decided Broadcast 2000 does something
that you really want to do on a Linux box. If you can't build it, you
should be doing other things as regards your GPA.
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And sure enough, there was just a make file, no configure script (which is when alarm bells start going through my head). I started compiling from the top level directory, and it stopped at
jpeg.c: In function `quicktime_read_markers_jpeg':
jpeg.c:209: `jpeg_saved_marker_ptr' undeclared (first use in this function)
jpeg.c:209: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once)
Which is not exactly an error caused by misconfiguration in the make files. I'll start
going through that code now...
I hope what he put there was another one of his "jokes", because that kind of attitude really sucks. The programmer should ALWAYS provide a good build system. It takes VERY little time to do if you know how all the code is supposed to fit together. It is MUCH harder (and wasted time), for a prospective user to do the same.
If I run into a lot of annoying configuration problems, I'll write my own damn autoconf file for this code, and release it on a web page (since the author has little interest in including it in his package
Building the code should not be made artificially difficult. You're not going to get rid of the losers in that way (the losers will all be screaming about RPM's (I am not implying that everyone who uses RPM's are losers)), but you are
going to annoy the prospective programmers who are going to have to go through the code and reconstruct what you already KNOW. In my opinion, a sloppy build system is the product of sloppy programmers.
Software sounds great, how about drivers? (Score:3)
At least it's a good sign that they're sticking to a standard, rather than creating their own drivers. Unfortunately, the driver situation seems to be quite a mess. There's Video4Linux [linux.org], Video4Linux 2 [diads.com], LiViD [linuxvideo.org], and other projects and I'm not sure how they're related. Most of them seem to support mostly TV-in-a-window cards rather than full-motion video capture.
It looks like work on the Matrox Marvel drivers [brandeis.edu] is coming along, which is good for me because I just bought an Athlon 550 and Matrox Marvel G400-TV! >geek gloatCineGX [randomhacks.com] which seems to have disappeared. The idea was to create a framework for handling video, applying filters and codecs in a pipelike fashion. That would mean that you could, say, stream an AVI file from your disk, and show it as a picture within a live TV feed, showing it on the screen and spitting it into an MPEG2 file on disk all at the same time (provided you have enough processing power and/or hardware assistance). Most editing could be reduced to problems of mixing and matching streams and filters. The editing GUI would exist only to provide a project management function.
Re:is this bogus? (Score:3)
If you'll read the news section, you'll see that these people put their heart and soul into this project. (and sunk a good deal of money in it, too.) After releasing a preliminary version to see if anyone was interested, and seeing that it wasn't quite so hot of a market as they thought, they decided to instead release it GPLed to the public.
It's not vapourware; I'm using it right now on my system. And from what I've seen so far, it looks very nice. Clean interface, highly configurable, standard interface design, lightening fast toolkit, plugin support, etc. Plus it comes with source! Sweet!
This is the product I've been waiting for.
(I just wish my ATi TV tuner had a video4linux driver, so I could really test this puppy out. Could someone test out it's performance for us with a supported card, and tell us how it performs? It'd be neat to know how well it captures--whether or not it drops frames, and stuff like that.)
James
please please please someone answer (Score:3)
I have a very simple need:
1) Load software from camcorder
2) Edit (resequence)
3) Record back onto tape
Coincidentally I found this software (again) on the morning of it's release. I was ecstatic.
Then I looked around to figure out what card to buy. Clearly it needs TV in AND TV out.
Well, I can't find a SINGLE FREAKING CARD ANYWHERE that:
1) Support TV out
2) under Linux
3) today
Does ANYONE know of ANY CARD that meets these conditions?
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hehehe I can't beleive you all (Score:3)
Here is a link of me using it. http://thunklife.com/bc2k.jpeg [thunklife.com]
It seems like half of us have sence. And look, im not posting anonymous.
been using the beta for months-- Exclnt software (Score:3)
On a similar note... (Score:4)
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I hope this is real. (Score:4)
I mean, if we're going to have a million TV stations on the internet running out of people's homes, we have to have a way for those people to edit their shows, right?
Avid (makers of $100K non-linear editor systems) better watch its ass. I knew this kind of thing was an inevitability, but didn't realize it would be available so soon.
Here are some other links to similar projects:
http://www.geocities. com/ResearchTriangle/Facility/6309/index.html - the Free Film Project
Freefilm.linuxbox.com - not up yet, but coming
Of course the big players now in this industry are Avid (with the Media Composer, Film composer, Digidesign (Protools), etc.), Media 100, and Adobe (who has Premiere 5.x). If this actually exists, man, that would be great!
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Sweet! (Score:4)
However, on a serious note, this is cool. Now if I could get Quake3 to give me a serious Frame Rate, I would *finally* be happy.
this is why the BeOS should go OSS (Score:4)
If Jean Louis were to follow the pack and go with digital democracy, open-sourcing the BeOS could push this sort of thing into overdrive. To combine the digital media capabilities with the most peer-reviewed OS around has got to be a great thing.
Until that time, Linux should probably focus on building market share by improving the Gimp and developing a strong vector graphics app to compete with the main 2 commercial OSes. Only by gaining a market share by slowly building people's confidence in the product can attract the proper attention. Otherwise, you'll get Joe Hollywood-Wannabe trying this system out, and finding the man pages way too convoluted to follow. Video editing for Linux will gain a bad rap and go by the wayside, unfortunately crippling an otherwise fat-potential business within the next handfil of years.
By the way, aside from pure evolution - what kinds of long-term goals do the Linux community forsee?
Not Bogus (Score:4)
I am not using the Video features, just the Audio. For Audio it is the fastest editor for Linux.
If you are still a sceptic, but want to believe. Check out freshmeat.
Look up the previos version Broadcast on the net.
This is real, I guess you nay-sayers just don't have faith in Open Source -- or know what it means.
Another NLE project (Score:5)
I'm looking for people willing to help with the project.
http://www.crow.atu.com.au [atu.com.au]
Eric
bc2k (Score:5)