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Free Realtime Video Editing for Linux 227

paRcat writes "Broadcast 2000 Final has been released. To those that are into realtime 640x480 video editing, this is good. It's an awesome package, and all free! Here's the link." Has anybody out there tried this yet? It sounds great, but so far we haven't been able to dig up anyone who's actually worked with this software to get their take on it.
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Free Realtime Video Editing for Linux

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    To be perfectly honest, I was under the impression that the cat was dead when it was put in the box. Is there a way to use a box full of dead cats, named Belfry, to perform real-time non-linear video editing under Linux? I think there is. And I know that Corel will bring us that innovation any second now...That's why everyone should buy lots of Corel stock. A company that is on the front lines of Linux Open/Source software manufacturing. This of course leads up to the earlier point of toothpaste embezzlement which has become a growing problem in the local supermarkets. Not a day goes buy when I don't see a smug foreign graduate student stuffing a box of the fabulously whitening toothpaste for $4.67 into the back pocket of their tight levis. I think the Open/Source community should heed this warning. "What warning?" you ask, "Well that's a stupid question." I say. I guess you haven't been reading very intently, mr. slashdot reader. Would the poison gas kill the cat before it's bones are forecefull crushed by a metal divider? Ponder that for a moment. Or don't.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    But why would you? Win95/NT video editing programs are way more functional, support more effects, more hardware, and have a much better user interface?

    Linux is great for a render farm, but leave the real video editing to a Mac or Windows box. You honestly can't compare bcast2000 to programs like Adobe Premiere.

    Yeah, go ahead, moderate the truth down you losers. Can't take it?

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Just because the page was written with a little humor, dosen't mean that this is not a real product...

    The Y2K statement was a joke...

    The Hardware Requirements are also a joke... Indicating that you can never get fast enough or enough hard disk space for video editing.


    As Seen in the GSA catalog:

    Clue, Get A, one each.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I've tried the beta-time-triald BroadCast 2000, and i have to admit it works really nice with my bt848 (Miro) capture card. Multiple audio streams, mixing, fade in/out effects, its all in there...
  • by Anonymous Coward
    If Jean Louis were to follow the pack and go with digital democracy, open- (Blah blah blah)

    That's completely irrelevent to the conversation. Why you chose to start your post with it is beyond me, however some moderator seems to like it so, hey work the Be groove..

    Until that time, Linux should probably focus on building market share by improving the Gimp and developing a strong vector graphics app to compete with the main 2 commercial OSes.

    True. But that's not neccesarily going to happen. Linux does what Linux wants to do, one of the things that make so many of us like it and hate it at the same time. Look at it this way, there are a lot of folks on this very board who will rant on and on that Linux is only good for a server platform and will also mercilessly flame anyone who doesn't understand the crufty old man files and asks for a real help system. There are also people (like me) who simply use it for their desktop OS only, learning basic Unix commands and system administration and checking email, D/L'ing pr0n, things like that. For every one of the above two types there is also someone working on "super-widget2000" which will either revolutionize the way we eat cheese or will copy-cat the functionality of a large, commercial program without the cost. What do all three types have in common? The fact that if we have attracted people to Linux, it's our freinds who we help and support on a personal level. There is no business model for Linux. Let Red-Hat and Corel figure out how to make one. The rest of us are happy enough with what we have/are getting soon.

    By the way, aside from pure evolution - what kinds of long-term goals do the Linux community forsee?

    I think it was the Glorious MEEPT who said something about merging the various divided factions of Linux users into one large divided faction. Above that I'd just be happy that we aren't stuck with 2 closed source commercial OS's and be *real* happy whenever someone releases something cool like broadcast2000...

    Sorry If I'm coming across harsh but that's how I am. You understand...
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Can anybody translate these chipsets into actual product names?

    This is really cool - the Video Toaster comes to Linux - but I need some capture hardware.

  • What is this "joke" word mean? I have never seen such a thing on Slashdot.

    For those of you speculating and do not wish to view the page, here are the recommended specs:

    Linux 2.2.*
    1 terabyte striped RAID
    1Ghz quartathlon (5Ghz per Athlon recommended.)
    BT848, BT878 compatible video card No hardware compression boards are supported, due to high cost and unemployment.
    Full duplex sound card
    1024x768 32bpp graphics card on AGP
    Commercial OSS driver (better card compatibility)

    Although most of Broadcast 2000 was developed on a pentium 150, most users don't feel comfortable running it on low powered systems.

    Too bad I'll have to wait 5 years to build such a machine. But it is interesting that they develop it with a P150.

    Disclaimer: No humor intended as to not annoy the humor impaird. All speculative humor is purely in the mind of the insane reader and has no bearing in reality. Author cannot be held liable for any damages due to enjoyment (or lack thereof) of said humer. Offer void in Massachusetts and Utah. Only while supplies last.
  • Umm, half a biathalon?
  • I hope this is not a hoax; I would definitely like to play with some video editing software on my Linux box. I'm downloading...

    I guess I'll have to put one of my Bt848 cards into my dual celery 450 system.
  • I've got one of the original WinCast boards. Works great, don't let the Win fool you. :)

    One of the labs I'm working in at school uses Hauppauge boards exclusively.

    On that regard, look for even more Bt848 fun in the videoconferencing arena. Hopefully by the end of the semester, it depends on whether or not we can release the code without needing to jump off a bridge from embarassment at revealing it. :)
  • I think he may have meant to say ".5 Gighertz Per Athalon" and just left out the decimal point.
  • that 320x240 interlaced is only every other line in *ONE* direction, not both. So if it's vertically interlaced, that means the non-interlaced source would be 320x480, since the horizontal rez stays the same. If you started w/ a 640x480 source, the result would be 640x200 per interlaced frame.
  • I'd love to be able to use my cheap TV card for *something*...

    Frankly, the rippers and encoders that I've seen for Linux suck. If this one does any better, I'd be thrilled. I went through hell just to try to make a short MPEG-1 movie clip (from Transformers: The Movie, yay!), and I didn't even manage to get sound. Why? Because the free stuff is hard to figure out, and isn't documented that well. If I knew more about the file format, I could probably tweak it more, but I just wanted to capture a movie!

    I'll tell you guys how it works out on my (crappy) system. You really shouldn't do this stuff with IDE drives, and not that much space to boot. I'll probably have better luck once I get a new system.
    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [].
  • Okay, it's pretty neat. Definitely a great first effort. Recording to compressed Qt is way better than recording to individual uncompressed files...

    I only wish that I could upgrade to 2.2.14 and get the bttv grabber working better, and get sound captured too. But I think that's really hardware/driver stuff, and not their fault. I also wish I could get full duplex out of my cheesy sound card.... And get a video player that supported some more codecs...
    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [].
  • Or... you can always edit the /etc/, assuming that you have such a file, and put the directory in it.
    Then run ldconfig.

    Much better for me than LD_LIBRARY_PATH.


  • It's just trying to be a Subtle Hint that it might be kind of slow on today's machines.

    Well, I'll try seeing if it can be used to fsck around with my Blender-produced animations... ::sigh:: I wish I had a faster machine with some free card slots so I could get a video board.

  • what you want is Soundtracker:
  • turn down the volume and listen to yourself. did you even bother to read the changelog for soundtracker? at least it's updated frequently. but for a full sound package, yes, you NEED a sequencer. you said the words "dance music" and i've heard some pretty amazing stuff concocted w/ this lil mod sequencer.

    sure, the built-in wav editor is pretty basic, but it's just supposed to be for quick and dirty stuff.

    my opinion (and it's just that: an opinion) is that if you're spending more time in the wav editor than in anything else, then you don't really know what making music is all about.

  • by Luyseyal ( 3154 )
    too bad those big IDE drives are so SLLLLLOOOOOWWWWW. i lurk on the linux-raid list and they benchmark at the bottom of the list.

  • I've downloaded it this morning. It seem to work nice except for a couple of things:
    * I cannot load an mpeg file that I created using blender and mpeg_encode. Instead, I had to use a 'jpeg list' format.
    * I had problems with loading mp3 music files.
    * I couldn't render the output as mpeg.
    Maybe I was missing something, but the documentation wasn't that complete. I hope that this will change though.
  • The demands for video editing have always been high. And seeing as the software is GPL, performance can be improved where improvements are able to be done.
  • How many copies of ws_ftp are there? Like a dozen.

    Great! Use the one you like best.

    And they are all worse than the original windows clone.

    Hm, have you tried IglooFTP?
    And... what's the "original windows clone?"

    Not to mention how many are still alpha/beta code. I nearly had a heart attack when icewm hit version 1.0.

    It must be rough to have your life so constrained by version numbers... :)
  • by Booker ( 6173 )
    A new version (0.7.14) of bttv [], in which I scratched my very first public itch. :D

    (You need the new I2C stack from the lm_sensors package for this, though)

  • Well.. lets see:
    Is there any such thing as a 5Ghz Athalon? No.

    So yes, it does appear to be an actual joke.
  • NTSC = Never the same color
  • Do you have any idea what were talking about?

    Were talking about converting TV signal to something to use on the computer... scan lines dont matter, we need a resolution.
  • While the hardware suggestions on their page may be a bit high... Do some calculations on how much ram and HD space it takes to manipulate 10+ hours of TV quality footage, and the CPU power needed to apply effects, edits, and various other goodies to said footage.

    Take a look at some of the equipment on Avid Technology, Inc. []'s site. According to one product spec I saw, it allowed up to 1080GB of available storage for collaborative video editing.

    While I don't know if the software in question here quite warrants it.... it's not necessarily insane.

  • In mentioning the 'big players' I neglected to mention that Apple's "Final Cut Pro" and "iMovie" software are big. And microsoft's jumping in too...

    But Avid is definitely the biggest fish of them all these days.

  • the wintv-d card has the s-video output, i don't know if any of the others do.
  • some of the cards by hauppauge have s-video output.
  • There's a difference here...

    Slashdot is really a group of perl files, etc. The main difficulty is configuration..not compilation. I think what we really want from him is a SNAPSHOT...just take whatever code there is and throw it into a tar file. Slashdot is really hardwired for their situation, and anyone else who wants to use it KNOWS that they will have to do a lot of work to make it work on their own configuration.

    In comparison...Broadcast 2000 is a final release of a product made for others. From his release file, it looks like he is making it deliberately difficult to compile.

    In fact, it currently won't compile at all for me, because I need to determine what typedef he left out of /quicktime/quicktime/jpeg.c
  • Wow, I didn't realize we had nazis on slashdot. I thought people here were more intelligent than that. Check out the URL this guy has listed under his name.
  • They're listed as *Recommended*. That doesn't mean they're *Required*.
  • Perhaps if you weren't so inflametory your post WOULD get moderated up - you ever think that perhaps it's not just what you say, but how you say it.....

  • Well.. one thing coming in XFree4 is the ability to use your MGA card for video acceleration. The G200 supports overlays.. and from what Raster has said, it if fscking awesome. (In fact everyone is pretty much in awe. Full, 30FPS with very very little CPU... can maybe even be done in DMA in the future)

    Your going to see some integration of OpenGL into the 2D rendering structure in the future. It really depends on the HW. But there is talk of using OpenGL in conjunction of XIE.

  • Whoops... inadvertent tag generation. I meant to say, I saw a neat project called CineGX [] which seems to have disappeared....
  • Are you really this dumb?

    Uhh, let see, how do you capture video? A frame at a time. How many frames per second do you need to capture an uncompressed NTSC signal? 29.97 Get it? Each frame takes some disk space and bandwidth to capture. It is important.

    Oh, hey I should say that the figure I gave before are the DV standards which is what is used for NLE. So the broadcast suignals might be different, but we are talking about NLE here so that is why I gave those figures.
  • just as a cover my ass addendum to my previous post (damn anonymous coward trolls). The above figures are for CCIR-601 compliance. CCIR-601 is the Encoding Parameters of Digital Television For Studios (ie encoding video into data usable by a computer). CCIR is the International Radio Consultative Committee a predecessor organization of the current ITU-T which is the International Telecommunication Union--Telecommunication Standardization Bureau. OK enough backing? :)

    Heres a link [] in case you are bored and want to read all about CCIR-601.
  • Hi Technos,

    Sure with reparenting on they'll only see my post, but they might also get curious enough to click through to the parent. Since the comment is currently ranked at 5, I think it worked (or at least helped).

    I hadn't thought about simply reposting the data with credit though. I'll try that next time and see what happens.


  • This may be slightly off topic, but yet I'm sure still of Interest to some of us. What is the market for stuff like this in windows? I love linux and the open-source community as a whole, unfortunately, I only have my laptop, and no other box available to use Linux on, and I need Windows for work, so I don't get to actually use it for personal use awhole lot (unless you count BSDi at work), anyway, I love making movies, and would enjoy it more if I could edit them properly in a great environment.. what sort of hardware crap is needed too?

  • Is there any MPEG-4 viewer for Linux or MPEG-4 to MPEG-1 (or MPEG-2) convertor for Windows?
  • Or you could just install it where it was meant to be installed; /usr/local/bcast2000

    Then symlink /usr/local/bcast2000/ to /usr/bin/bcast2000

    That bash script'll set the library path for you, so you can keep the whole distro together, in case you don't want it and have to delete it.

    Anyone interested in making rpms? I'd make 'em myself, but I can't for the life of me figure it all out. (And I still can't find the back key binding for the info-page reader. blah.)

  • ./gfx/jpeg-6b/jpeglib.h:typedef struct jpeg_marker_struct FAR * jpeg_saved_marker_ptr;

    ./gfx/jpeg-6b/jpeglib.h:struct jpeg_marker_struct { ...

    That one at least isn't a problem. But since I'm
    stuck at libc5 I can't install nasm and it fails
    a little later.

    The author may be guilty of a little sloppiness, but hey if it works it can be cleaned up. It's got critical mass, and that's what counts.
  • Well, I don't think it's that they don't have a sense of humor.

    Do you know the author or have you been following the project for awhile? Lots of times when someone you don't know makes "jokes" it looks foolish -- this is especially true for something like a realtime video editing project. I guess when you think of something like that, you're expecting a web page that's a little more professional, that's all. So, I can't blame people for thinking it's a hoax.
  • The proper form of this saying is: "NTSC - Never TWICE the Same Color"
  • by Anonymous Coward
    SOC/RO Update: This BroadCast 200 Finale Program really rocks. Let me tell you, in terms of realtime, 640x480 video editing for Linux, nothing comes anywhere near its realtimeness, editing capabilities, or its nonpareil 640x480ness. If you've got to shoot photon streams through slits to kill cats named Belfry, consider nothing else. This is perfection. But what, truly, is perfection? What is perfect? What is ideal? Do we all have our own ideals? Is there some, ideal video editing tool for linux out there? Plato wondered about ideal video editing tools nearly 10,000 years ago. Unfortunately, Aristotle soon realized what was going on, and decided to take him down. Linux was the Open/Source Operating/System that launched 1,000 ships, some headed to Troy, some headed to the Carribean, some headed to unknown desitantions far away, to do some unknown deed, to some unknown people. "How are your stocks doing?" Well let me tell you, my stocks are doing fabulous. Especially my fine art stocks. Those companies may not make money, and may rely on outmoded business models, but boy do they perform fabulously! My stock in Applied Brushstrokes (NASDAQ: CRAP) has split four times in the past six months. My dead animals have provided me with many fine stock tips these past few lonely weeks. My insane robot pal, KZ-467Y, had told me that I needed to get out more: "You need to get out more." But I did not heed his advice. "Listen," I said, "I will get out when I attend the Poke/Mon Championships, held July 3-7, in the Tampa Bay Convention Center, in Tampa, Florida. Until then I do not need to leave the company of my dead animals, except to steal pricey toothpaste." "Indeed," said the wild and crazy KZ-467Y, "you think that by sitting all alone, in your abandoned dumpster, with your dead animals, you ever will amount to anything?" "No," I explained, "but I have an idea..." I began to whisper my idea to him. Four short (40-50 minutes each) hours later, I had him convinced. "That plan is indeed crazy my friend," he nodded confidently, "but it's so crazy, it just might work." Later that night, I took out the following items: one (1) small, airtight, pressure-resistant box, one (1) cat named Belfry, one (1) vial of poison gas, one (1) subatomic particle. I then put Belfry the cat inside the box with the molecule. I placed a computer controlled device that would release the poison gas if the particular subatomic particle was detected on the vial of the poison (naturally). I then placed this in the box as well, on one side. Not knowing which side the molecule was on, I forcefully inserted a divider into the now-closed box. Now here is the question: is the cat dead? Or is it in a state of half-deadness? Obviously the cat is dead, because I cut it in half while putting the divider in. Doh!
  • by Anonymous Coward
    but may not...I had to copy the file from the bcast2k directory to /usr/lib and/or /lib/ for it to work right. Just saying that because it says there may be a linker error if you don't have a libc6 system and as a newbie it scared me a little at first...
  • by Anonymous Coward
    What in the world is wrong with you people? Of course this is for real. And of course you don't need 1 terabyte raid, etc. Wasn't it obvious by the "falling in love" comments, that the web page author has a sense of humor? And the "harras the author" email links?

    What, so, now any joke or quirky humor (which some of us happen to like) means that everything else is invalid?

    Yeah, ok, let's see, I think I'll waste a ton of time making up a WHOLE BUNCH of crap about a fictional video editing package, just as a setup for a few measly half-jokes at the bottom of the page.

    At least there are a FEW of you who realize how FUCKING COOL and IMPRESSIVE this package is. Are you all linux advocates like you claim so fashionably to be, or not?!

    Sheesh, people...... c'mon now..
  • by Anonymous Coward
    All I have to say is........

    These people have to be the absolutely most stupid, slow brained monkey fucks I have ever
    encountered in my life.
    Practice laughing with me boys and girls.
    "HA HA HA"
    The author is making a JOKE!!!!
    How dumb can you fools be?
    How long have you spoken English?
    Where are you from?
    Do you know what sarcasm is?
    Do you know when not to post and shutup? (I don't)

    To spell it out ONE MORE TIME
    The author is making a joke about the preferred
    hardware for video editing to use his real application.

    Wow - I can't believe I had to do that.
  • "The programmer should ALWAYS provide a good build system."

    This reminds me of something that came up w/ the CmdrTaco interview last week. He suggested he hadn't released the code yet because he hadn't done all the little things, like documenting and setting up a proper configuration system. The response was that he should release it anyway, and the community would fix the problems. I'd say the same philosophy should apply here. I'd rather have the source now, then wait for the programmer to LEARN to setup a proper build system.
  • It's the chance of news stories like this that make me reload slashdot every few hours. I have downloaded the source, and yes, it IS gpl'd.

    From README.src:
    "Broadcast 200 is GPL. Through the magic of credit, the development costs have been shielded from the user."

    When I went to CDIS college for a week, one of the things they showed us was video editing. I ventured a question: How much does the hardware and software cost? The professor gave me a rough estimate of ten thousand dollars. I sadly thought that such a potential low-barrier entry market should not be made high-barrier by the cost alone.

    GPL'd software is not the end of all the caveats to make software great, however. One of the things that makes the GNU project's software so great is portability. Also, a lot of the GNU project's software is very solid. I am very interested in a professional video editor looking at this software and giving us input.

    Kudos to the Broadcast 2000 team.

    What are credits?
  • To whoever wrote Broadcast 2000, thanks! This is exactly the kind of software the Free Film Project needs, to succeed, and the licence is perfect. (GPL, if I'm not mistaken.) This means that if we need some feature that just isn't there, we can simply add it, rather than write a whole video editing suite from scratch.

    This is absolutely perfect timing, too, as we're just about to embark on our first sci-fi film. This could not have been released at a better time, if the writers had tried.

    So, once again, a VERY big thanks!

  • A friend of mine picked up an ATI All-in-Wonder (or was it an All-in-Wonder Pro?) a month or two ago, and after spending a few days futzing with beta software he had TV-out working well. I don't think the TV input is supported yet but it was under development. IIRC it was only recently that ATI saw the open source light, so all the Linux driver software (including Mesa modifications, I believe) is in a fairly alpha stage. If you're desparate you could always get a separate bttv card for input.
  • This looks like an inspired piece of work. Instead of worrying too much about hardware compatability as yet, you could always import/export your footage under W95/NT and then edit the hell out of it via Linux.

    By the looks of the screenshots, this software was used in the making of Titanic!

    ; )

  • by Sesse ( 5616 )
    At least my video card can grab in 768x576, but you usually have some kind of cropping, since most TVs don't show (and aren't supposed to show) the entire screen area. I'd guess you messed up at least one of those PAL resolution numbers (your aspect ratio is 5:4 instead of the right 4:3).

    /* Steinar */
  • I believe standard television translates to 320x240 interlaced... so 640x480 is what you would need to produce TV quality signal from your computer.
  • From what I've seen, you can do a lot with iMovie on an iMac DV. I've played around a little with the software in the store, and I was pretty impressed at its smoothness and capability. That system costs in the $ 1,299 range.

    Right now, I use EditDV for the Mac. I'd probably try B2000 if it had support for QuickTime, since I know of no FireWire capture software for Linux. Anyone have information on that?


  • Missed the "real time" part - iMovie isn't real time. But it's still pretty cool, and definitely cost-effective.


  • Humph. I tried Premiere and would do pretty much anything to avoid using it again. (I use EditDV on a Mac).

    If this is really real time, it's a significant breakthrough - real time typically requires horribly expensive equipment. Only reason I'm not downloading it in a rush now is that I need support for my FireWire video camera.

    What decent bcards are compatible with Video for Linux, anyway? I had the impression it was for pretty low-quality cards.


  • Another thing that would be great, which I don't think even Adobe Premiere can do, is to use the capabilities of your 3D card to accelerate video transition processing. Think about it... all these fades, wipes, blends, flips, and wraps could be done in an instant using a good 3D card. Why not put it to use in processing full-motion video? It should be able to do it in realtime, quite easily.
  • Yeah, but honestly the big cost for the average joe is the hardware. All prosumer level capture cards come with NLE software (many with Premiere itself). You do not need an Avid rig to do work that is good enough for internet distribution right now (if broadband ever becomes super widespread this may change). I have a $500 DPS EditBay analog capture card that I can get 3:1 compression out of. It looks damn good, I know several people who have done some simple TV work with this card. You can get cards for a few $k that will give you broadcast quality results. Avid has a lock in the movie industry. We will see how they stand up, but it doesn't look good for them. As a way of comparison, Avid is the SGI of the video editing world, they were top notch for a long time, now consumer level stuff is starting to get to their level.
  • NTSC is 720x486 @ 29.97 fps
    PAL is 720x576 @ 25 fps

    640x480 is the "standard" internet distribution resolution. So no, this is not TV production level, but it is fine if your only doing internet distribution.
  • It's probably too late, this story is 1/2 way down the front page and all the moderators have used up their points or moved on to greener pastures (or at least less crowded ones).

    In any case, I'm lending my karma whore +1 bonus to the parent [] of this reply. Go read it, it's informative.
  • What hardware would I need to load in a movie? WHat hardware would I need to put it back out to a VCR?

    I'm not directly familiar with Broadcast, but I have had some pretty good results messing around with Adobe Premiere and Aftereffects. I have an Asus V3800 TNT2 with TV out, and exporting to a VCR via that, was quite simple. As for getting video in, check out uk/v4l.shtml [] which has some pretty good info on linux supported video capture cards, as well as other v4l stuff.

  • You don't need to move libraries to /usr/lib or /lib. You can set up the environmental variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to non-standard libraries. For example,


    This allows B2K to find its libraries when it runs.
  • Here's a thing. Does linux in any way support IEEE1394 (FireWire) yet? I'm planning on getting an digital video camera later this year with a FireWire port and an adapter for my PC and play around with some DV editing.

    It'd be neat if I could do it all under Linux and not have to get Premiere for Win2K or whatever.

  • by ricOS/2 ( 23121 )
    I think it was a joke... (As this whole thing may be... -- If you plan on doing something with this, you might be wise to check the source code before you run the binary). Afterall, it said that it was developed on a P150... I seriously doubt that that even met -any- of the "requirements"... :)
  • Specifically which card? There is no mention of output of ANY KIND at hauppage's website and email to bounces.
  • Are you sure it was the AiW? No mention on ATI's website....
  • Yes, this card (and the G400) looked good. But the only link I could find to info on Linux drivers lead me to a page that implied they didn't yet work.
  • Whop! And all this time I had been pronouncing it as tho it had an 'a'. Oh well...
  • An Athalon is an AMD K7 x86 processor. It competes with the pentium and Intel. The two routinely switch off for which is faster.
  • No, 7200 RPM with three the bit density of any SCSI drive out there is rather fast...
    Faster then the fastest 10000rpm scsi drive actually, but it does have higher CPU usage.
    Checkout for the real skinny...
    (a combination of aureal density and rpm is how you get hard drive speed, not rpm alone)(well, plus seek time, buffers, interface, etc..)
  • ACtually, after comparing your scsi drive to the Maxtor DiamondMax plus 40, the CPU usage is about the same (under windows 98 and NT anyway), and the Maxtor is quite a bit faster.
  • Which 40 gig ide drive is slow?
    The Maxtor Diamond Plus 40 is curently the fastest IDE drive out there. There is also a Maxtor Diamond 40 which is 5400 RPM and a bit slower, but still faster then most things going...
    Check out for info on the speed of the more recent hard drives.
  • OK so i read the date wrong but the spirit of my post was still right... it was meant as a joke, it's not a bug.

  • One word: Moron. In case you didn't notice it was November 10th... not actually in the year 2000. It was a joke, not a bug. :-)

    Sorry if i come off as flamebait but that's just idiocy :-)

  • Considering 3dfx's new 3500 card that supports hardware MPEG compression on capture, driver support is a really big deal these days. Capture cards are becoming much more powerful and much cheaper ... it'd just be nice to use them.
  • Using the +1 to inflate the previous posters score won't work. If the 'audience' has reparent on (I'm guessing 1/2 do), they'll only see your post. Second, unless they're browsing in nested mode (not the default), your 2 won't make the parent appear any higher up the list. It's usually better to just repost the data with your +1 and due credit.

    I must thank you for your try, though. Moderators sometimes need a little, um, outside help.
  • Wait! There's more!
    A new version (0.15.6) of bttvgrab [] is available, also today. This is a simple but nice frame grabbing program for BT848 cards.

    I've been looking into using bttvgrab as a cheap replacement for a VCR, but haven't found the time yet. Has anyone done this?
  • Does anybody know if this system will use the Video Capture card which has been put together by Linux Media Labs? (
  • They are good people. They also do some other projects like quicktime for linux, etc. Check out their main page []

  • It is software like this that makes Linux truly viable and usable. Especially in the eyes of the main stream media.

    It's biggest competition is a $500 or more piece of software that will only run on an MS platform. This fits perfectly with "selling" the OS as a mainstream, desktop solution.

    Think of it like this: MS develops apps that people will want to run. They spend money to create software and hardware that only works with it's OSs in order to stimulate the sales of that OS. People not wanting to spend alot of money on apps and software are going to LOVE this Linux based solution.

    Now if the higher end video capture and DV editing cards came with support for linux... My Canopus DV Rex M1 simply won't work under linux... yet...


  • The screenshots look real-enough - and I do not doubt that someone could write such an application - it's just the page didn't seem very professional / authentic.

    And there's an unhealthy amount of anonymous cowards praising this package in a rather juvenile style.

    If it's real and works well then that's really cool. If it's something more sinister. BTW: If it's a real project, I'd be real keen to help - gimp style plugins / scripting would be cool.

  • Here is a link for ya....
  • Umm NTSC aspect Ratio is 4:3. 640x480 fits this ratio. The Toaster was nice in it's time but it's not broadcast quality. I wonder if there is a reason Adobe Premere, Adobe After Effects, The Turbo Cube non linear system, Matrox non linear, Type Deco C.G., Chyron and many more use 640x480. Oh yeah.. 640x480 includes the overscan area. It's not just overscan top and bottom but side to side too.
  • by kzinti ( 9651 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @02:24PM (#1385326) Homepage Journal
    Without having looked at it, let me ask... how does it deal with codecs? Does it come with a set bundled, or do you have to add codecs like with xanim? What codecs are included?

  • by Byter ( 11845 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @05:00PM (#1385327) Homepage
    In the "Readme.src" file...


    This source tree is for reference and posterity purposes, and possibly
    MMX. There is no support for building the source code. You should
    have already run the binary and decided Broadcast 2000 does something
    that you really want to do on a Linux box. If you can't build it, you
    should be doing other things as regards your GPA.


    And sure enough, there was just a make file, no configure script (which is when alarm bells start going through my head). I started compiling from the top level directory, and it stopped at

    jpeg.c: In function `quicktime_read_markers_jpeg':
    jpeg.c:209: `jpeg_saved_marker_ptr' undeclared (first use in this function)
    jpeg.c:209: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once)

    Which is not exactly an error caused by misconfiguration in the make files. I'll start
    going through that code now...

    I hope what he put there was another one of his "jokes", because that kind of attitude really sucks. The programmer should ALWAYS provide a good build system. It takes VERY little time to do if you know how all the code is supposed to fit together. It is MUCH harder (and wasted time), for a prospective user to do the same.

    If I run into a lot of annoying configuration problems, I'll write my own damn autoconf file for this code, and release it on a web page (since the author has little interest in including it in his package :P)

    Building the code should not be made artificially difficult. You're not going to get rid of the losers in that way (the losers will all be screaming about RPM's (I am not implying that everyone who uses RPM's are losers)), but you are
    going to annoy the prospective programmers who are going to have to go through the code and reconstruct what you already KNOW. In my opinion, a sloppy build system is the product of sloppy programmers.
  • by qseep ( 14218 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @05:47PM (#1385328)
    I have followed the Broadcast 2000 development for a while, and I am both impressed by and thankful for their work. The drivers appear to be the missing link. Unfortunately, on the Broadcast 2000 page, they skip the issue of drivers, simply saying that any "Video4Linux" drivers will work, without so much as providing a link to a Video4Linux project page.

    At least it's a good sign that they're sticking to a standard, rather than creating their own drivers. Unfortunately, the driver situation seems to be quite a mess. There's Video4Linux [], Video4Linux 2 [], LiViD [], and other projects and I'm not sure how they're related. Most of them seem to support mostly TV-in-a-window cards rather than full-motion video capture.

    It looks like work on the Matrox Marvel drivers [] is coming along, which is good for me because I just bought an Athlon 550 and Matrox Marvel G400-TV! >geek gloatCineGX [] which seems to have disappeared. The idea was to create a framework for handling video, applying filters and codecs in a pipelike fashion. That would mean that you could, say, stream an AVI file from your disk, and show it as a picture within a live TV feed, showing it on the screen and spitting it into an MPEG2 file on disk all at the same time (provided you have enough processing power and/or hardware assistance). Most editing could be reduced to problems of mixing and matching streams and filters. The editing GUI would exist only to provide a project management function.
  • by Forkenhoppen ( 16574 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @02:12PM (#1385329)
    They're just pointing out that it's not a perfect product, that's all.

    If you'll read the news section, you'll see that these people put their heart and soul into this project. (and sunk a good deal of money in it, too.) After releasing a preliminary version to see if anyone was interested, and seeing that it wasn't quite so hot of a market as they thought, they decided to instead release it GPLed to the public.

    It's not vapourware; I'm using it right now on my system. And from what I've seen so far, it looks very nice. Clean interface, highly configurable, standard interface design, lightening fast toolkit, plugin support, etc. Plus it comes with source! Sweet!

    This is the product I've been waiting for. :)

    (I just wish my ATi TV tuner had a video4linux driver, so I could really test this puppy out. Could someone test out it's performance for us with a supported card, and tell us how it performs? It'd be neat to know how well it captures--whether or not it drops frames, and stuff like that.)

  • by FascDot Killed My Pr ( 24021 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @05:13PM (#1385330)
    I'm so lost it's not even funny.

    I have a very simple need:

    1) Load software from camcorder
    2) Edit (resequence)
    3) Record back onto tape

    Coincidentally I found this software (again) on the morning of it's release. I was ecstatic.

    Then I looked around to figure out what card to buy. Clearly it needs TV in AND TV out.

    Well, I can't find a SINGLE FREAKING CARD ANYWHERE that:

    1) Support TV out
    2) under Linux
    3) today

    Does ANYONE know of ANY CARD that meets these conditions?
  • by wharfrat ( 90464 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @04:43PM (#1385331)
    This is real.
    Here is a link of me using it. []
    It seems like half of us have sence. And look, im not posting anonymous.
  • This software is top notch. I'm using it to edit a documentary [] about Linux. Go to the site to download some clips and see what bcast2000 is capable of producing.
  • by Booker ( 6173 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @02:06PM (#1385333) Homepage
    Josh Pieper just announced on the v4l-list that he has put together an MMX enhanced mpg1 encoder - to the tune of an 85% speed improvement:
    Hello all,

    For those of you creating mpeg-1 movies out there, I have added some preliminary MMX optimizations to the stock Berkely MPEG-1 encoder. I have obtained about an 85% speedup on my tests compressing videocd data. Up to 6.9 fps, from 3.7 fps on my PII 333.

    I have used this together with a stdout-enabled mpeg2decode to recompress mp1e created streams at lower rates. It has no MMX detection, and I am not an intel performance expert, so it's not all the way optimized. I figured it could save some of you quite a few clock cycles.

    The URL is:

    Josh Pieper

    Wow... synergy...
  • by VValdo ( 10446 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @02:23PM (#1385334)
    this would really put a lot of power in the hands of normal people-- video is replacing print (or at least supplimenting it) as a primary means of self-expression and giving a free editing system to the people means taking power away from the media giants and select few who have the $ to purchase such equipment.

    I mean, if we're going to have a million TV stations on the internet running out of people's homes, we have to have a way for those people to edit their shows, right?

    Avid (makers of $100K non-linear editor systems) better watch its ass. I knew this kind of thing was an inevitability, but didn't realize it would be available so soon.

    Here are some other links to similar projects:

    http://www.geocities. com/ResearchTriangle/Facility/6309/index.html - the Free Film Project - not up yet, but coming

    Of course the big players now in this industry are Avid (with the Media Composer, Film composer, Digidesign (Protools), etc.), Media 100, and Adobe (who has Premiere 5.x). If this actually exists, man, that would be great!


  • by Mullen ( 14656 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @02:16PM (#1385335)
    Now I can make commerical quality p0rn at home with my Linux box (No pun intended!). I just bet this is what Linus was thinking when he started making Linux!

    However, on a serious note, this is cool. Now if I could get Quake3 to give me a serious Frame Rate, I would *finally* be happy.

  • by passion ( 84900 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @02:34PM (#1385336)

    If Jean Louis were to follow the pack and go with digital democracy, open-sourcing the BeOS could push this sort of thing into overdrive. To combine the digital media capabilities with the most peer-reviewed OS around has got to be a great thing.

    Until that time, Linux should probably focus on building market share by improving the Gimp and developing a strong vector graphics app to compete with the main 2 commercial OSes. Only by gaining a market share by slowly building people's confidence in the product can attract the proper attention. Otherwise, you'll get Joe Hollywood-Wannabe trying this system out, and finding the man pages way too convoluted to follow. Video editing for Linux will gain a bad rap and go by the wayside, unfortunately crippling an otherwise fat-potential business within the next handfil of years.

    By the way, aside from pure evolution - what kinds of long-term goals do the Linux community forsee?

  • by wharfrat ( 90464 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @02:19PM (#1385337)
    This is real. I have used this, it works well. If your not going to download it that is fine. But it is real. I am running it on my Pentium 200 mmx (not a PII). With a SB16 kernel driver. No OSS-Comercial.
    I am not using the Video features, just the Audio. For Audio it is the fastest editor for Linux.
    If you are still a sceptic, but want to believe. Check out freshmeat.
    Look up the previos version Broadcast on the net.
    This is real, I guess you nay-sayers just don't have faith in Open Source -- or know what it means.
  • by esca ( 40742 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @04:12PM (#1385338) Homepage
    I've been working on a GPL'd video editor for unix for sometime now.
    I'm looking for people willing to help with the project. []

  • by wharfrat ( 90464 ) on Monday January 10, 2000 @02:11PM (#1385339)
    I downloaded the Binary version of this early this morning. Very Impressed. I had played with a Beta, this is much better. Just the nonlinear sound editing capabilities alone are unmached in Linux or GPL software -- let-alone the video. This version has support for any sound card supported by the kernel, the previos version Broadcast. This is a major leap in the Field of MultiMedia for Linux. As well as the buz in the SoundStudio mailing list. Personaly I had a fear this would not be GPL, as this was a major project, and it was not GPL in the BETAs. In fact the BETAs I saw had timebombs in them, they would expire.

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