French Police To Switch 72,000 Desktop PCs To Linux 183
jones_supa writes "France's National Gendarmerie — the national law enforcement agency — is now running 37,000 desktop PCs with a custom distribution of Linux, and by summer of 2014, the agency plans to switch over all 72,000 of its desktop machines. The agency claims that the TCO of open source software is about 40 percent less than proprietary software from Microsoft, referring to their article published by EU's Interoperability Solutions for Public Administrations. Initially Gendarmerie has moved to Windows versions of cross-platform OSS applications such as OpenOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird. Now they are completing the process by changing the OS. This is one of the largest known government deployments of Linux on the desktop."
Victory (Score:2)
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the text is incorrect (Score:5, Informative)
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So these people are Barney Fife.
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So these people are Barney Fife.
More Inspector Clouseau than Barney Fife...
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Yes, Gendarmerie is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXnp7jLlc5U [youtube.com]
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Gendarmerie are not military police. They are not part of the French army. They are uniformed police.
Wrong, see previous comments. To put paid to the discussion, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie [wikipedia.org] has it right: "a military force charged with police duties among civilian populations", which is the case in France. There is also non-military police (uniformed or not depending on assignment and rank and whatever), and the French territory is carved up between these two police forces, mainly Gendarmerie in the countryside and Police Nationale in cities and towns (plus municipal police which do not have th
Proud (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Proud (Score:5, Funny)
I wouldn't go that far. I still claim French Canadian ancestry rather than French, because at least it's diluted by moose.
Re:Proud (Score:4, Informative)
Much of my time in Canada has been spent camping, with only basic water purification. "Diluted by moose" is not something I consider a good quality.
Probably still better than being French, though.
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OSS - with 100% less big brother then commercial (Score:5, Insightful)
So not only do they get lower TCO, they also get 100% less built in spyware (literally) by the NSA.
It's truely a win-win!
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So not only do they get lower TCO, they also get 100% less built in spyware (literally) by the NSA.
It's truely a win-win!
There are thousands of separate groups of people working codes that go into open source distributions. Most openly accept patches from anyone...
So yea "Mission accomplished" Linux must 100% less big brother...
I know I know... "but...but . we have source!"...
And a lengthy historical record of innocent vulnerabilities caused by **innocent** human mistakes only being found years after the fact to prove how much having the source is worth.
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The fact that open source projects accept code from others don't mean that anyone can enter code into a project. New code is checked by a maintainer before being added to the project to make sure its dont suck like closed source code often does.
Most of the old bugs are not in open sourced projekt. Most of the open source projects find that security problems is in new code.
The smart people like me are slow to change to new code unless they have to because of security reasons. Doing that
other have time to fin
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Your first item of homework is to find out how the proverb "People in glass houses..." ends.
With a period!
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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/nsa-router-hacking/ [wired.com]
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Based on the assumption that the NSA didn't slip in anything funny when they were helping create SELinux.
no, based on peer review. with these revelations by the NSA, there has been an even higher level of scrutiny has been out on SELinux. a much more likely vector of attack would be through companies that only distribute binary blobs for their hardware.
Gendarmerie is not THE national law enforcement (Score:2)
Re:Gendarmerie is not THE national law enforcement (Score:5, Informative)
All about the apps (Score:5, Insightful)
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Sadly, even that part is difficult, sometimes. We tried that at my place of employment, and everyone complained bitterly. As far as I can tell, no one likes to change, once they learn something; we actually have some people who are still using WordPerfect, and insist they can't do their jobs without it.
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Look at how long it took the city of Munich to unify and migrate all of its various software solutions. Migrating the OS itself was barely the tip of the iceberg.
Remember all those years of Linux on the Desktop? (Score:2)
Re:Remember all those years of Linux on the Deskto (Score:5, Insightful)
Pert of the problem is that the typical requirement for an office suite is described as "Work like Microsoft Office". Of course any competing office suite is going to be less good when compared to Microsoft Office using this criterion.
I know someone who is always talking up Windows. He knows that Windows has problems but assumes that Linux has these same problems (which it frequently does not), while highlighting issues with Linux. Put another way, he is blinded to problems in Windows while he exaggerates problems in Linux. I think that this is typical behaviour that has slowed down adoption of Linux.
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Re:Remember all those years of Linux on the Deskto (Score:5, Interesting)
Why Gnome? KDE is perfectly stable, have more features, looks great and functions in the same way then Windows 7.
In my opinions KDE is much more user friendly and have more features then Gnome, and have a round-up experience (the KDE applications are integrate very well). I run for 2 years now Fedora with KDE and it's extremely well experience.
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Why GNOME? Polish.
I completely agree that KDE is in many ways the superior, friendlier interface, *especially* if you're a power user. But pretty much all the major corporate distros are using GNOME as the default, meaning that GNOME itself is getting a lot more attention from organizations that can fund things like quality assurance and actual user interface testing (as opposed to only the design aesthetics of the people creating it and "bug" reports by that tiny fraction of people using it that are actu
Re:Remember all those years of Linux on the Deskto (Score:4, Informative)
Gnome is a completely new design of the desktop. KDE is the traditional desktop from Win 3.11. (KDE have an option to switch to a netbook style desktop). As for performance: I run KDE just fine on an Asus Atom with Intel integrated graphics; Btw, it still runs just fine, the family of my wife is using that Netbook now for Skype and YMail.
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That's one of the biggest problems... windows may be extremely buggy, but its ubiquity has resulted in people becoming used to its bugs and working around them... linux may be less buggy, but those bugs it does have are unexpected and take the users by surprise.
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How about the 72,000+ French Police desktops, or the 14,000+ Munich/Germany desktops?
Are you stating that they either don't need a large scale manageability or that they use just browser and OpenOffice?
This very story contradicts your comment, and also all the other large scale desktop Linux success stories.
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Of course they need large scale manageability. What the GP post said was that there are no tools that offer the facilities that AD and GP do on Windows. You can do a whole lot of stuff with scripts and other tools, but that doesn't mean it's as straightforward.
The real strength of GP is the ability to modify the way the software that runs on top of Windows works, not just the OS itself. Of course, MS offers the best support for that in things like Office, although other applications can be managed too. With
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I don't know - often its just a matter of knowing the tooling that's there, so if you don;t know the Linux ways you're not going to be as efficient as a Windows admin who does know the Windows tools. Pretty obvious.
However, In his presentation, Drumond also pointed out that the "Direct benefits (license costs) are only the tip of the iceberg (PDF Link). The force is also saving money with Linux's easier management and a " Huge decrease of local technical interventions on Ubuntu's desktops."
I guess a "huge
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Firstly, administration of a Linux system is much much simpler then Windows. In Linux everything is transparent, the configuration is just ASCII text files. I think you could do "group policy" with a bash script and dsh (distributed shell) through SSH. Secondly, the file system is much more powerful then in Windows. For example, you can mount /home/userA to a remove file server with fuse sshfs. The user will not see any difference and you can link configuration files across networks. Linux is quite easy to
Re:Remember all those years of Linux on the Deskto (Score:4, Insightful)
Hide all mail in a database
Make it difficult for third party tools to backup and impossible with the provided ones
Mangle database
Lose email
Crash
There's your Exchange replacement
Meanwhile there are dozens of things that provide the same sorts of features people really want instead of what you get with MS Exchange - google provides a few of them but there are many others.
Re:Remember all those years of Linux on the Deskto (Score:4, Insightful)
And you are doing the same as the person I discussed in the GP post.
Because, while Linux doesn't have Active Directory, it has other benefits that Windows does not have. So, if you define your criteria to be "must support Active Directory", then, obviously, Linux doesn't pass. If, on the other hand, you define your requirement as (for example), "must support SELinux", then Linux is your only choice.
As for the "nice GUI tools", they may make manageability easy, but they don't make it efficient.
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Effectivly they appear to be saying "The Windows way of doing things is the best/only way to do it". (Or possibly "The only way I know of is the Windows method.")
As for the
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> As for the "nice GUI tools", they may make manageability easy, but they don't make it efficient.
Indeed. I managed a dual-boot Windows/Linux computer science lab for a few years - the sort of thing that often needed "random software X" installed on all the machines for some project or other. On the Linux side I had a script set up that let me just download the package to an internal server and add an entry to a text file listing things to install - the next time each computer was running Linux I'd the
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Yeah, Windows has extremely powerfull configuration management tools because managing Windows configuration is actualy a problem.
By the way, Puppy solves a different problem, one that most Windows admins can't even see because they are too short-sighted.
Where do they get these idiots? (Score:3)
Active Directory is a subset of LDAP which is most definitely on linux and a pile of other platforms. Please learn at least a little bit about Active Directory before making such pronouncements.
Google "cluster management" to see how the above comment has got it backwards.
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You should look better at the less free options provided by the Linux distributions they offer all that manageability just fine.
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Look at it this way, with all the money you are saving on Microsoft licenses you can hire yourself a real Linux guru, and this person you hire will accept natural spoken language as commands so you don't have to deal with criptic stuff or scripts and what not. Way better than what Active Directory does. That way you don't have to worry about administering the systems, will save a lot of money, look good with the boss, and by the time everybody realizes that you have been too lazy to catch up with technology
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French Republic can and probably will do a lot of good stuff for Linux community too. It will not just use it for free and enjoy it.
French civilization is universal. It brought metric system to the world, ideals of Great revolution, etc. When it starts moving, the word watches. I expect much more form this initiative.
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What are you talking about? Let's take it point by point to battle the FUD.
most business software is Windows only
Large businesses using linux: Walmart, IBM, Redhat, Amazon, Rackspace, it goes on and on...their ERP software is web based running on Linux.
Linux has nothing to compare to Active Directory
You realize Active Directory is a *broken* implementation of LDAP - something that has nothing to do with Windows? The enterprise world uses IPA, Radius, and OpenLDAP. It's light years ahead of Active Directory, and actually follows RFC's(Active Directory does not).
Linux has lots of advantages, but manageability isn't one of them
There is no point and click "m
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I'm much more used to seeing this sort of reasoning in language flame wars. "My language does X easily, and I don't know how yours does it, so mine is superior!"
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That should be 'le desktop'. Use proper French or you'll run afoul of L'Academie Francaise.
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In what kind of enterprise system does any kind of "app store" make any sense at all. The "personal computer"
Also if you have a need for per anything licenced software you'd tend to also need a suitable licence tracking system. An obvious advantage here of OSS is that it effectivly comes with a site/enterprise licence.
Come on guys - get real (Score:2)
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With modern Linux distributions you don't have to ever touch a terminal anymore than you do on a Mac - which for me is a lot because I'm a nerd but you catch my drift. Systems "just work" and installing software is no more difficult than looking for what you need in an "app store" just like on a phone.
I use Ubuntu and OSX every day and take exception to this. For 5 months, Ubuntu 13.04 lost the ability to accept external USB keyboard input on the unlock screen after waking from sleep on a laptop... I had to keep opening the laptop to use the built-in keyboard, or change to the user-switching screen to get back to the desktop.
Sh!t like that never breaks on OSX and Windows. Those OS's respect that the user needs the basic IO of the user interface (graphics, keyboard, mouse, audio) to stay rock solid. On Linux, only the wired NIC stays rock solid... a stark reminder its still a server OS with server-room priorities.
Audio is still problematic for Linux users from time to time, and bluetooth audio is still a complete mess... barely usable and requiring periodic system restarts to keep it working.
A fresh non-OEM install of either Windows or Ubuntu on a random PC will usually result in slightly more features working in Ubuntu than Windows. But the remedy in Ubuntu for the non-working stuff involves CLI work, whereas in Windows you can go to the system mfg website and download and install needed drivers using the mouse. OSX and Windows both let you get add-on hardware working by downloading drivers from each peripheral mfg website and install using a mouse. Also, some of the stuff that "just works" will not work correctly because the driver's default values aren't correct for the particular implementation of the chip family in question... more CLI work.
What has changed for the better since Ubuntu's introduction is graphics stability... after many years they finally got graphics to stop mysteriously disappering. Audio is marginally better than it used to be. IMO, that's insufficient progress.
BTW, Gnome 3 (actually, the loss of Gnome 2) was THE reason I had to move a couple users back to Windows. You should have those pom-poms bronzed, cheerleader.
Such modding cowardice. I don't know why I expect better...
Cue lobbyists ... (Score:4, Insightful)
And Microsoft will now unleash the flying monkeys to try to refute any claims about lower TCO.
I'm sure there will be studies trotted out, and all sorts of attempts to discredit this.
There's no way in hell they'll take this lying down, or without trying to get the government to intervene on their behalf -- perhaps as a trade issue and claim they're being unfairly excluded.
Re:Cue lobbyists ... (Score:5, Informative)
And Microsoft will now unleash the flying monkeys to try to refute any claims about lower TCO.
I'm sure there will be studies trotted out, and all sorts of attempts to discredit this.
they tried that with the "Get The Facts" campaign and it backfired so badly that they took down the page.
There's no way in hell they'll take this lying down, or without trying to get the government to intervene on their behalf -- perhaps as a trade issue and claim they're being unfairly excluded.
nah, in the EU, it's not so easy to manipulate governments and really this is small beans to get worked up about. far smaller than say, having the london stock exchange switch to linux.
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Offer more French police and military ongoing US based 'free' training where they are activity reeducated with MS tools. The staff return to France emotionally imprinted with the advanced tools, methods and a list of new US software and hardware.
Given rank, seniority, charm, security clearances and a global political context the US hopes it can generational reshape Frances buying efforts.
Costly to US tax payers but long term alters the mind set of senior French staff.
Inter
Bad, bad, bad (Score:3)
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That's definitely unamerican behaviour!
Yeah, now you guys will have to rename Linux to Patriotix or Freedomnix or... ummm... something like that.
Yup - it makes sense to ditch windows (Score:3)
ATI Posts huge new amounts of GPU documentation... (Score:2)
and now the French go Penguin.
Am I living a dream?
If I am I do not want to wake up.
Is that .... is that the YEAR of the LINUX desktop I see over the horizon?!!!! ;-)
-Hack
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Mandrake was an excellent France-based distrubution many years ago. But the users ran to Ubuntu when the distro were sued over the "Mandrake" name and changed it to the unsexy "Mandriva". Ubuntu had naked people in their marketing at the time.
France has two police forces (Score:2)
France has two police forces. Police Nationale, and Gendarmerie Nationale. The former is civilian and mostly operate in cities, while the latter is military and mostly operate in rural area.
Both can do investigation for justice, which is where it is convenient. If for some reason an investigation is stuck, it is always possible to replace Police Nationale investigators by Gendarmerie Nationale, or the other way around.
practicalities (Score:3)
I'd really like to know some detail on how a migration like this works.
I work for a large healthcare organisation and - being a linux fan myself - often wondered about how it could work. Even if there were support from senior managers, there are some really practical issues to overcome...
I'd love to see some real gritty detail about exaclty how a project like this is done, and the challenges that were overcome. I know the article talks about a staged approach which makes sense, but I don't see any mention of what happened to their helpdesk teams. Grateful for any pointers.
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I do this sort of thing as a matter of course, normally in much smaller environments. Healthcare organizations are problematic: they often have proprietary software wedged into their workflow in fascinating ways, such as laboratory data reporting tools and legacy accounting applications. Whether to maintain a minimal Windows architecture, or any other displaced architecture, for access to this old data is an important technical and buisiness decision. It has become easy to virtualize and isolate such hosts,
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hey thanks a lot, that's really helpful.
this whole issue came up again recently when our regional health boards decided to budget for a windows 7 upgrade. The amount of money involved is truly mind-boggling, and a vocal minority of senior docs asked about using this as an opportunity for migration to a linux environment instead. It was rejected without any investigation! There are some nuances in our set up which makes the staffing issue much harder, but still... in a 'competitive' environment where we have
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Also work for a large healthcare organisation, and have thought the same thing.
I think the key will be webapps - almost all - even radiology - seems to be moving to webapps. Some still need IE6 though!
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national law enforcement agency = FBI in usa? (Score:2)
I think the FBI wants people with better IQ then some of the cops out there.
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FBI in the USA = Police in France
Police in the USA = Gendarmerie in France (The one who pull you over for DUI, giving speeding and parking tickets, etc.)
Re:national law enforcement agency = FBI in usa? (Score:5, Informative)
Actually the Gendarmerie Nationale is part of the Military. It is not a civilian institution.
So Police in the USA = Police in France.
Gendarmerie in France is something in between military police and the FBI in the USA.
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Gendarmerie is the military policy.
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Gendarmerie is the military policy.
My understanding is that in the US the military police only polices the military. So your translation, while literally correct, is wrong. As has been pointed out elsewhere the 'Gendarmerie' is a military force that reports to the interior minister and polices civilians [wikipedia.org], mostly in the countryside. They do have other missions but they are much less visible, mostly crowd control but also policing the military, though that's pretty much invisible to the general public.
I don't think one can equate it to the FBI
Re:national law enforcement agency = FBI in usa? (Score:4, Informative)
Not really.
Police is usually mostly for urban areas, and Gendarmerie mostly found in the country side.
Also Gendarmerie staff are military personnel, while Police are not.
FBI us closest equivalent (Score:2)
...though in France their national police have a wider mandate and are involved in activities similar to state troopers. They are NOT the same as US military police at all.
The RCMP in Canada is a much better comparison to what France has. They are involved in both FBI type activities as well as things like traffic enforcement outside urban centres in provinces that do not have their own police forces.
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Jean Reno
Re:national law enforcement agency = FBI in usa? (Score:5, Funny)
Asterix
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I know in the U.S.A. you can barred from being a Police Officer if your I.Q. is to [sic] high.
Whereas you can say condescending things about the intelligence of public employees without suffering the discomfort of ironic self-awareness. Smells like freedom to me.
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You do need to be more adaptable, which cops notoriously are NOT. I can hear right now the complaint of every (L)user getting a new Linux desktop, "It doesn't look right. The icons are in the wrong place. I can't use this. Give me my Windows machine back." The secretarial staff will probably not have any issue at all, but every actual officer will hate it for the first three months.
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It may well be that the cops need only use a few web applications from a browser.
Chrome/Firefox/Opera works the same on Linux as on Windows.
Re:Are they capable of using Linux ? (Score:5, Insightful)
You do need to be more adaptable, which cops notoriously are NOT. I can hear right now the complaint of every (L)user getting a new Linux desktop, "It doesn't look right. The icons are in the wrong place. I can't use this. Give me my Windows machine back."
What do you think is going to happen when you switch them to Windows 8? Put a Win8 machine next to a Linux machine and they'll chose the Linux machine, surely.
Re:Are they capable of using Linux ? (Score:5, Funny)
I didn't know there was enough crack in Redmond to make the Win8 GUI look like a good idea. Ballmer should have been fired for that alone.
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You seem to be posting in the wrong article - this one is about linux and not MS Windows 8 :)
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Indeed, the question should probably have been whether they were observant enough to notice the difference (which can, to an extent, depend on how well the Administrator did his/her job).
Re:Are they capable of using Linux ? (Score:5, Interesting)
This, exactly.
I once put a Knoppix live CD in the family computer because of some potential virus issue. After my wife asked something like "Why does this look different" and I explained, she found Firefox, got on Facebook, and soon forgot all about not being in Windows.
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If law officers can't figure out the difference between Office and OpenOffice/LibreOffice I *think* there might be bigger issues to worry about. :)
If they need to send stuff out of house, that's what PDF is for. When was the last time they needed out-of-house Office editing??
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"When was the last time they needed out-of-house Office editing"
It might happen, and Open/LibreOffice are no obstacle for plain documents (e.g. contracts).
I've shared/edited documents with my clients who use Windows, while I have a Debian desktop with OO; no problem in years. Actually even less than them on occasions, because that makes me less version dependent.
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"When was the last time they needed out-of-house Office editing"
It might happen, and Open/LibreOffice are no obstacle for plain documents (e.g. contracts).
As I have said before in a previous reply basically the only people who should edit capability on any document are the designated maintainer(s) so any other readers should only get a non editable file. Yes it is still possible for a reader to point out issues with the original document and suggest changes via email however that person should not send the edited document back to the maintainer(s). Unfortunately this often does not happen in practice and the more complex a project that does not have some semb
When it gets down to it there's not much differenc (Score:2)
Working out the real practical differences instead of just looking at the "about" menu option is a different story. When it comes down to it one glass typewriter is just like any other when it's what you are typing in that really matters.
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If they need to send stuff out of house, that's what PDF is for. When was the last time they needed out-of-house Office editing??
Unfortunately many people who use Microsoft Office have a tendency to send the editable document to the (hopefully) appropriate people which can make for massive inconsistencies between the original document and any edits. The problem lies not with Microsoft Office or any Office software for that matter but with the people who are using the products.
You are correct in saying that any document should be sent out as a PDF especially if it is to people outside the company and only those who have been designa
Re:Short term money saving. (Score:5, Informative)
On the contrary, I recently did support at a company migrating from Office to LibreOffice to save on transition costs. Standard issue was Office 2007, but 2010 was present and 2013 was announced, boasting yet another new interface to learn. The company switched to LibreOffice, with only a few key Office installations for things that had to be perfectly correct to leave the company.
There was no real training budget, but there was only one brief period of transition rather than several, no licensing costs, and everything just worked.
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The thorny bit is when dealing with external customers... who use Microsoft Office XYZ. Any glitches in that exchange means lost business, and sending PDFs back and forth is not always acceptable either.
So, we're stuck using what our client use. With a few people trying out LibreOffice for internal only stuff.
Re:Short term money saving. (Score:5, Interesting)
They already switched to OpenOffice, I've used both and while there are some differences, if you know one, you can use the other without too many problems.
Most folks don't even use more than a small percentage of the features of a word processor anyways. I have friends who work with lawyers who say Word is no good for them, and that they have to use WordPerfect for their legal documents.
I agree that formats are very important. This organization is large enough to be able to mandate the formats they will use. But a quick check of LibreOffice Writer (4.0.2.2) shows it can handle the fol formats: odt, ott, sxw, stw, fodt, uot, doxc(MS Word 2007/2010 XML) , doc, xml(ms Word 2003 and Doc Book), html, rtf, txt, and docx (OpenOffice XML Text)
It appears that they won't have many problems accepting any common format.
I work in a very large organization. We use MS Office, and we provide training for many of our staff in Excel, Word, Powerpoint and Outlook. If we were to swtich, it would involve creating new lesson plans, but the savings in licensing would more than pay for that.
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But a quick check of LibreOffice Writer (4.0.2.2) shows it can handle the fol formats: odt, ott, sxw, stw, fodt, uot, doxc(MS Word 2007/2010 XML) , doc, xml(ms Word 2003 and Doc Book), html, rtf, txt, and docx (OpenOffice XML Text)
It appears that they won't have many problems accepting any common format.
It is not that simple. You cannot judge file format compatibility only based on the file type extensions that the program agrees to load or save. The general problem has been that in many cases OpenOffice messes up the formatting of Microsoft Office documents.
And vice versa.
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>The general problem has been that in many cases OpenOffice messes up the formatting of Microsoft Office documents.
Actually I think that's included under "MS Office Compatibility". I can't tell you the number of times I've created a document on Computer A with MS Office, then taken it to Computer B with the same version of MS Windows and Office to print and had numerous discrepancies appear. And that's using only standard fonts and formatting. And in dealing with older documents (from a version or thre
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I more than once had to use Open Office (or Libre Office more recently) for undo a mess created by Word 2007 trying to open Word 2007 documents...
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not to mention the headaches if you work with any other company that isn't using Open Office files themselves
It is gendarmerie we are talking about. Why are you making the assumption that they are working? Let alone with external people.
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Okay... if you seriously need more than a few minutes to migrate from one document editor to another, you're probably lacking in the intelligence department.
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*puts ontin foil hat*
Yeah, but this also has the advantage of not having potential backdoors that US NSA and co. might have introduced. This may be useful for any military documents that they actually want to keep secret.
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OpenOffice is close enough to msoffice 2003 that users usually have very little problems...
The differences between different msoffice versions are often much larger, and yet users aren't given any training for that.
Also it says they were already running openoffice on windows, so that bit is already solved.
As for file formats, using standard file formats like odf is an extremely sensible course of action in any case...
And given that they are the government, and they are using an openly documented file format
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Of course there were very good reasons to do things contrary to American method in color-tv!
Re:I'm taking bets! (Score:4, Interesting)
Ahh, it's so nostalgic to have this discussion on slashdot again!
Re:I'm taking bets! (Score:4, Informative)
They did multiple pilot test and all went all. I don't think they will migrate back anytime soon.
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Unlikely. They have already demonstrated 40% cost cuts. It takes something big to undo a budget cut like that!
And to them, Microsoft is a foreign company - they have no reason to stick with ms at all. Whereas at least some of the linux developers are French.
Now, if the American government saved 40% on purchasing cisco equipment instead of huawei - would any Americans protest? Didn't think so . . .
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It's Ubuntu derived.