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Mandriva Businesses Linux

Mandriva SA Cedes Control To Mandriva Community 88

Posted by Soulskill
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jfruh writes "Mandriva SA, one of the oldest pure Linux companies still out there, was on the verge of shutting down earlier this year, but escaped by the skin of its teeth. Now, however, the company is punting control of its flagship Linux distribution to its developer community, leaving Mandriva SA's future prospects up in the air. From the blog post: 'This means that the future of the distribution will not be arbitrary[sic] decided by the Mandriva company anymore, but we intend to let the distribution evolve in and under the caring responsibility of the community.'"
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Mandriva SA Cedes Control To Mandriva Community

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  • by smpoole7 (1467717) on Friday May 18, 2012 @08:56AM (#40039973) Homepage

    I cut my teeth on the old Mandrake stuff over a decade ago. It had its quirks, but it was a great way to introduce a newbie to Linux. Glad that the code base isn't going away.

    Of course, the whole Mandrake/Mandriva story is a sad one in many ways. While Red Hat and SuSE were making money off of support, Mandrake decided to go with education and certification. (This was several years ago, before the name change.) They lost their hineys on it and almost went under then.

    Good distribution troubled by a bunch of inexplicably bad business decisions. Just my opinion, anyway.

    (Any of my fellow old timers here remember Mandrake 7.0's infamous "Move Your Mouse Wheel!" thing during installation??? Heh. More fun than Duke Nukem getting that thing to work!!!)

    • by jbolden (176878)

      I don't think they were inexplicable. There is no money in Linux desktop sales. Mandrake was not going to beat RedHat or United Linux (Suse, Caldera, Turbo, Conectiva) in the enterprise market. They had always been a desktop product so they couldn't move strongly into servers. So going into specialized desktop areas makes sense. With Apple being weak, the education market was, and remains wide open. Had they executed better, and had Microsoft not been willing to lose money to keep this niche they coul

      • by smpoole7 (1467717)

        > There is no money in Linux desktop sales. Mandrake was not going to beat RedHat or United Linux ... in the enterprise market.
        > They had always been a desktop product so they couldn't move strongly into servers.

        Who knows? If it had worked, no doubt Gael Duval would have been hailed as a genius. But thinking back on that time, I was a *huge* Mandrake Fanbois. I installed it every chance I could (my first Web server was Apache on Mandrake) and loved it.

        As I recall, though, the reason it was a dumb move

        • by jbolden (176878)

          As I recall, though, the reason it was a dumb move (again, my opinion) was because what people were looking for was Red Hat Certification. If you'd paid and passed a Mandrake course, it was hard to imagine getting a job off of that. But everyone had heard of Red Hat.

          That Red Hat certification was for server. Mandrake's certification program was directed at companies that were using Mandrake and wanted certified administrators. I don't know if they existed.

          When I talk about education I mean the actual i

    • by mcgrew (92797) *

      Any of my fellow old timers here remember Mandrake 7.0's infamous "Move Your Mouse Wheel!" thing during installation???

      No, and I first installed Mandrake in 2002. Maybe my mouse didn't have a wheel back then and the install software "knew" it and acted accordingly.

  • Long ago I was one of those people who bought their stock at 2€/share to try to support them. Of course I wrote off that money almost just as long ago. But I still get their nifty french proxy cards (that probably cost more to send than my stock is worth)
    • I first played with Mandrake in about 2000 (or thereabouts) and sort of liked it as a variant of RedHat, with a few bells and whistles to make it easier for the newbie. However, I was more than happy to dump it in favour of a return to Slackware, which has only comparatively recently been replaced by Arch Linux on most of my machines.
    • by smpoole7 (1467717)

      > [I] bought their stock ...

      I remember the first time they fell into deep economic doo-doo, because I was a regular in their forums online. They were asking for people to pay $130 euros to join the Mandrake Club, but they required it in a lump sum. I pointed out that they might get more response if they permitted people to do it monthly. But one of their people (might have been Gael himself) posted, "we need the cash NOW." That was when I began to suspect that they were in even more trouble that most peo

  • by Zombie Ryushu (803103) on Friday May 18, 2012 @09:40AM (#40040277)

    Was a complete disaster.

    If you ask my opinion, Mandriva had no corporate offerings that actually offered any actual value. Everything server wise you wanted to do to Mandriva could be done with the base Mandriva Linux distribution.

    I run an Open Directory Server with:
    OpenLDAP + Samba + Kerberos + FreeRadius. On Mandriva Linux. I modified libuser myself to enumerate LDAP accounts. I use Fog for imaging. I use LDAP to administer sudoers, It all works. Mandriva could have taken the Linux Domain controller Market. How? Adding a Widget that said "Create Open Directory Domain" in Mandriva Control Center.

    Instead they created this convoluted mess of a service called Mandriva Directory server that complicated everything five or six times. I tried to warn them. They should have handled the creation of Open Directory Servers the same way they handled Open Directory (And Active Directory Clients):

    You click on an MMC Widget
    The Needed Packages for dhcpd, bind, openldap, samba, kerberos, libuser-ldap, etc etc etc... were all installed, and configurations were written, CLEANLY. Services restart... boom Open Directory Domain.

    I filed bugs, I pissed and moaned, my bugs got marked Invalid or won't fix.

  • "This costs too much, here you do it."
  • by Freshly Exhumed (105597) on Friday May 18, 2012 @01:39PM (#40043323) Homepage

    The community already took control of Mandriva's distro by forking it to Mageia in 2010. Mandriva, as a distro, has seemed almost pointless since then despite some inherent design changes. So, what Mandriva is now proposing seems to be an anachronism.

    The nice Mageia distro was born from all the Mandriva uncertainty of the past several years and is about to launch version 2 any day now. Again, Mandriva seems almost pointless, but all the power in the world to people who take them up on their offer.

    • by unixisc (2429386)
      That's what I was thinking - w/ Mageia out, why would devs care about Mandriva?
      • by unixisc (2429386)
        Forgot to add - Mageia is now #6 on distrowatch, while Mandriva is #26.
  • This is what happens when you don't listen to the community. I had been in an out of this distro for years. What attracted me to it was its ease of use and pretty graphics. What drove me away is very little worked and each patch level would bring a whole new round of troubles.

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