Linux Kernel 3.0 Released 181
Suchetha writes "In a posting on his Google+ page Linus Torvalds announced the launch of Linux kernel 3.0. This follows the kernel missing the planned release date of the 19th because of 'a subtle bug.'"
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So what's new? (Score:5, Informative)
http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges [kernelnewbies.org]
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Yeah! XEN dom0 support
Now only if my motherboard supported Vt-d this would be a game changer. A DX11 games in a Vbox game changer....
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You're wrong. It IS possible and it is very simple with xen 4.1 and Linux 3.0 as dom0.
An early example here, with a previous kernel:
Ubisoft Is Playing With Linux & Xen Virtualization [phoronix.com]
Re:So what's new? (Score:4, Funny)
No, I think you just have to take the PCI Express port and reroute its DIMM slot through the motherboard's PSU with a flux capacitor to achieve thermonuclear fusion for optimal performance
Also, it can create GUI interfaces in Visual Basic.
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But can it track IP addresses with that GUI interface in Visual Basic? That's the real question.
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I haven't heard such nonsense sence I did some consulting from the government.
It's too hard and it can't be done?
Just because it is complicated, it doesn't mean it cannot be done.
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Xen 4.0.0 is the first version to support VGA graphics adapter passthrough to Xen HVM (fully virtualized) guests. This means you can give HVM guest full and direct control of the graphics adapter, making it possible to have high performance full 3D and video acceleration in a virtual machine.
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You can actually get this to work with VMWare's free (as in beer) ESXi. I have played with it on laptops. You can assign the memory addresses of the graphics controller to one VM. I never solved the keyboard issue directly, had to plug in a USB keyboard. You also lose all access to the console itself, (not that you need any once things are setup).
Naturally there is no way to toggle between VMs either so you will have to use the management tools from the machine you have the video assigned to create addi
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Yes, that's what dom0 was suppose to solve. BUT it's to the MB vendor. Intel Vt-d is supported on the CPU, Bios and now in S/W, but the chipsets selected by the MB vendors need to support it--99% of the times they don't.
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Re:So what's new? (Score:4, Insightful)
And in yet more exciting Linux 3.0 news, the RT tree has been rewritten [lwn.net], allowing them to finally move forward of the 2.6.33 kernel. The re-write better leverages SMP (per traditional kernel implementation), is dramatically smaller, easier to read and maintain, and leverages more stock kernel facilities rather than poorly implementing its own.
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This reads like a commit log, not a list of great new features.
well, the fact that 'defragment' has returned (Score:1)
imho is far worse than goatse
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Mod down, frivolous warning about a goatse that isn't actually a goatse.
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Is zero even or odd?
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Is zero even or odd?
Yes, probably.
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Is zero even or odd?
Yes, probably.
yes. source: google.com
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0 mod 2 = 0, so zero is even.
0 mod 1 = 0, so zero is odd.
Is zero even or odd?
based on the two above segments, I'd say, YES. Is it odd? yes. Is it even? yes. Is it neither? yes. Is it both? yes.
Linux 3.0 quantum computing? possibly.
source: google.com
queries:
0 mod 1
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0 mod 1 = 0, so zero is odd.
Any integer mod 1 = 0. So every integer is odd?
And here comes.... (Score:1)
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And here comes the 30th centuary!
Century...
I'll just download the source on my 9 G phone running Android 50.0.
I suppose it goes without saying that this post goes to 11.
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Hey, at least it's Android 50.0 and not Android 360.
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Hey, at least it's Android 50.0 and not Android 360.
Right. That Version 360 would be for Firefox.
Compensation? (Score:1)
So how much (if) Google is paying Mr. Torvalds to tweet (erm, microblog) about the release? (Maybe we could call G+ tweeting "G-t"-ing).
Feels the same as the last ones (Score:1, Interesting)
Linux 3.0 feels a lot like Linux 3.0-rc7-git10. It really does! I installed the new Nvidia driver (also out today) and so am running both as I type this. Why do I get the feeling that I had an easier time building a new kernel and installing new video drivers than most Mac users have had installing MacOS Lion?
Video drivers? (Score:1)
That's games like Carmageddon, right?
Most Mac users don't use video drivers.
Or at least none that they are aware of.
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Maybe because there is a huge difference between a kernel and an operating system?
Additionally the step from the latest release candidate to the release is so minor that it can barely count as a kernel update on its own.
Compare an update from CentOS 5 to CentOS 6 with the update of Snow Leopard to Lion, or Windows Vista to Windows 7 if you like.
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Can't speak for CentOS, but an Ubuntu update is certainly easier than those.
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Maybe you didn't have any problems - neither did I when upgrading from Snow Leopard to Lion.
There are certainly reports of people having problems on Ubuntu upgrades as well. Considering that more than 1 mio. people grabbed Lion just yesterday I'd say the reports of problems that show up account for only a very small percentage and lots of them are just minor issues, not real problems in the meaning "upgrade failed". In fact the worst I have seen are a few reports that people couldn't upgrade (usually becaus
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"In fact" I know at least one person whose mac book pro doesn't boot after the update to Lion (well it does, but on an endless "updating" loop)
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"In fact" I know at least one person whose mac book pro doesn't boot after the update to Lion (well it does, but on an endless "updating" loop)
That's an easy fix. It is so easy in fact, it shows the power of Apple computers.
Here are the steps you take:
1) Power the system off
2) Press and hold to power button to turn the machine on. Keep holding this down. If you release this button, the system will boot normally, so keep holding it down.
3) As soon as the Apple logo appears, press the command-control-shift-alt-C, F1, F12, and ESC keys at the same time and hold them down.
4) Right before you hear the Apple opening chord sound, place your Lion C
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... or Snow Leopard from the same machine you're using...
and use CMD-OPT-SHIFT-DELETE
But I know you're just attempting to be an ass.
Actually, I thought I was quite successful at being an ass.
Truth be told, I love Macs. I really wish I could have one. Unfortunately, money is tight. When I'm looking at getting a new computer, my options are to build my own, top of the line machine with quality components for $500 (drives, case, video card, monitor, keyboards and mouse usually get reused, add about $300 to replace those), or I can buy a mid-range Mac with much lower specs that I can't upgrade for $799. This is Apple store price as of r
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Visit flea markets and computer shows. I bought my Macbook Pro for $200 at Hamfest (given, I bought a Core Duo one, so no Lion for me, but if I had gotten there sooner...oh well).
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I wasn't saying it was troublesome, just that I didn't think it would be easier than just clicking on an "Update" button and waiting.
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This actually happened to me pretty recently. Maybe I was lucky, but almost nothing bad happened. X was partly broken, and the CUPS config file was zero'd out (No idea how this happened :/). Sudo apt-get install -f, after deleting some useless crap from the terminal fixed everything except for cups, which took me another 5 seconds to type mv ./config.default ./config.
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Linux 3.0 feels a lot like Linux 3.0-rc7-git10.
That would be the definition of a Release Candidate, yeah.
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gb2/b/
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So if you're just going to use closed source software anyways (Nvidia drivers) then what's the point of using Linux? Why not just get your money up and buy a UNIX workstation that doesn't suck.
Because nVidia didn't need permission to write the drivers and I don't have to install them. There are also open source drivers for most nVidia cards out there that I can use instead or I can just use the standard 2D drivers that work fine as long as you don't hope to do OpenGL. Then again, why would you have an nVidia card if you don't plan on doing 3D?
"3.0 Pushed Out" -- Linus (Score:2)
I hope that is not an ill omen.... .
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Listen to the kernel! (Score:2)
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Putting a 3 at the beginning (Score:2)
For a while its going to be like when the year changes and you keep writing checks with the previous year by mistake. Probably 99% of Linux users have only used a 2.0 series kernel. Heck, Slashdot didn't even exist before the 2.0 kernel.
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I feel like such an old fart. My first recollections of messing with the Linux kernel are of answering endless lines of Y/N questions (no menuconfig), modules were still more or less experimental, and ELF hadn't quite replaced COFF. Early Slackware (which has consistently remained my distribution of choice for about 15 years) on a 486 DX2/66 with 16MB of RAM.
Now get off my lawn you young whippersnappers!
by analogy (Score:3)
If this follows the pattern of Microsoft Windows, this means that Linux has finally reached the point of offering what Linux kernel 1.0 promised, and has become usable as a day-to-day operating system. When Linux kernel 3.1 comes out, it'll finally have the features it needs to become widely used, and application developers will start treating it as their primary business-critical platform, instead of just a necessary kludge for certain kinds of apps!
Which may mean that version numbers don't really mean as much as some people think.
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and 3.11 will support TCP/IP networking!
Re:by analogy (Score:4, Funny)
"Linux 3.11 for Workgroups" is going to be AWESOME!
Re:Google+? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Google+? (Score:4, Funny)
In this particular scenario, the post was:
3.0 pushed out.
I think this would fitt even into Shatner's version of Twitter.
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you can follow and be followed exactly like twitter except that you can publish a full-fledged post rather than a 140 char headline
You mean unlike twitter, Google+ might actually be useful. Niiiicceeeee....
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Brevity is the soul of wit.
So you're very clearly saying two things. First of all, my post was witty and funny. Second of all, twitter is only good for telling extremely short, witty jokes. I don't disagree. Beyond that, twitter is largely useless.
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Arrgh - well Google+ is blocked by my companies web filter so I can't judge myself until I go home... I presume there are plenty of others in the same boat.
It could get irritating if Google+ is adopted by others in this way.
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Luckily the IT staff here are not bright enough to pick up g+, but facebook and others are blocked so I suspect it's only a matter of time. That is what you have unblocked internet on the cell phone for :)
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Indeed, however, poking at your phone is a bit harder to disguise as real work... ;)
It does raise a valid (ever so slightly offtopic) point though, a company/person making their Google+ page their main portal will exclude a percentage of their audience for ~8 hours a day.
Even if this isn't goofing off time (which I am sure we are all innocent of), it can be eating lunch at your desk or whatever. I keep my mayo fingers off my phone
Yes, which does mean I get mayo on my mouse... and keyboard...
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If you're getting "mayo" on your mouse and keyboard, you need to adjust your aim.
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convoluted. install the pc suite that came with your phone, click connect. works like that for me (sony x10 mini and nokia e71).
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It does raise a valid (ever so slightly offtopic) point though, a company/person making their Google+ page their main portal will exclude a percentage of their audience for ~8 hours a day.
It is understood that humans require sleep.
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I think you mean "it could get irritating for people working at worthless companies". Don't blame others for your poor choice of employer.
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Is there nothing the open source community won't copy from Microsoft?
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Re:Finally!! (Score:5, Insightful)
Really, the desktop's all that's left for 2011.
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I've been predicting for a while now that when Linux finally arrives on the desktop no home users will have desktops. Already the recycling sites and web sites and streets around where I live are filling up with unwanted computer desks while everyone migrates to PS3s, iPhones or laptops...
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There will always be a segment using desktops for, you know, work. Those professional machines might look a little different than now, but they wont be situated in front of a 50" LCD and couch or in a lap (usually).
I've found linux and freebsd more than competent for work, and I'm not alone.
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Thanks for your reply, i refer you to my original comment (emphasis added)
"when Linux finally arrives on the desktop no home users will have desktops"
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I hear you, I just can't imagine ever actually being one of those homes ;)
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I've been predicting for a while now that when Linux finally arrives on the desktop no home users will have desktops. Already the recycling sites and web sites and streets around where I live are filling up with unwanted computer desks while everyone migrates to PS3s, iPhones or laptops...
Well, you're not getting many psychic points for predicting the move from desktop to laptops, that trend has been going on for years and laptop sales overtook desktops in Q3 2008. But laptops are in every way the traditional "desktop" with desktop software, except with portable hardware. So either you're predicting something that's not very spectacular, indeed has pretty much already happened and wouldn't reduce the potential market anyway, or you're predicting the death of the "desktop" as such and people
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That desktop is on its way out, too. When smartphones with Mini-HDMI output proliferate then many people will have lost their last reason to have a real computer.
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That desktop is on its way out, too. When smartphones with Mini-HDMI output proliferate then many people will have lost their last reason to have a real computer.
You're close.
Keyboard and mouse. That's my main reason for continuing to use a computer.
I predict universal docking stations for phones soon. Everywhere you go, you have your "computer" with you. When you get to the office or house, you simply drop your phone into the dock (or not if wireless) and you are doing your work/play on your 24" LCD with full keyboard and mouse.
You'll take your PC with you, everywhere you go.
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Keyboard and mouse. That's my main reason for continuing to use a computer.
Is there a phone with Mini-HDMI output without Bluetooth?
I predict universal docking stations for phones soon.
Well, they are now standardizing a connector, so it's not actually impossible; but it is unnecessary, so long as you have wireless input devices.
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'When' HDMI proliferates on smartphones? At least a year ago, I saw a smartphone with HDMI on someone I'm pretty sure wasn't the most technical user; my two year old phone *came* with a component out cable. More and more, it's looking like the way to go is to get a portable bluetooth keyboard and mouse, HDMI cable, and just plug in your phone with 64GB+ of storage to the nearest HDMI
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> a year of Linux on the tv (boxee box, google tv, all the embedded TV experiences)
Could be TVs are running Linux underneath now, in which case, another embedded win. As for the other two, let's stick with hardware people actually buy. Google will drop their hardware experiment, and boxee will be gone within two years, I guarantee it.
Tivo runs Linux. As does the DVR that came from DishNetwork. I believe many of the others run Linux as well, but I only have one TV provider.
Oh, and GoogeTV is being embedded in many TV's and is an option on several DVR's provided by Cable/TV providers.
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Make menuconfig and be happy.
Re:SORRY FACT IS MORE WINPHO USERS THAN LINUX USER (Score:4, Informative)
It isn't. If you're counting operating systems on mobile platforms, Android beats all the other smartphone platforms.
Operating system share, Q4 2010 [wikipedia.org]
* Android : 33%
* Symbian : 31%
* iOS : 16%
* Blackberry : 14%
* Windows Mobile : 3%
* Other : 3%
The Android kernel is a fork of Linux.
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Obvious 4chan troll is obviously not suited to trolling
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2% is just wrong. more like 0.2% or more accurately, a rounding error.
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we were talking about desktop/laptop share. the wiki link includes servers too.
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Usage share of web client operating systems.
Emphasis mine. Linux use actually has been growing the past few months. Not that I think this or next year will be the year of linux on the desktop.
Re:It's the same thing (Score:5, Insightful)
That's not entirely true. If you compare 2.6.0 to 3.0, there's a crapload of changes. However, if you're comparing 2.6.39 to 3.0, it's true that there aren't any big changes. The main reason is because there was no experimental 2.7 branch. If 2.6 had progressed to around 2.6.5 or so, then received nothing but occasional bug fixes, I'd think we'd be amazed by all the new features. Linux development has changed quite a lot since the early days, when the stable kernel branch was considered delicate and protected from any major changes. Now that we've changed the way that Linux is developed (old way: even numbered minor versions are stable, odd numbered minor versions are experimental; new way: new features are continually added to the kernel, rather than going to the experimental branch), added in crazy amounts of features, and it's getting to be a bigger pain to maintain, why not bump the major version?
Was there a compelling reason to bump the major version number? It depends on your point of view, really. I agree with Linus on this matter. It was a good a time as any, plus it was warranted. I understand that some people are disappointed that 3.0 doesn't bring substantial changes from the very last 2.6 patch, but that's not how Linux is developed any more. Is the new way better? Who knows. It seems to be working out well, though.
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Just to be certain, this was a joke, right?
It's no joke. [slashdot.org]
Is that you, chicken little? (Score:2)
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So it finally made it out of staging? That's great. Their previous drivers have been a little lacking; I've had them lock up on me. Is the enlightened mouse driver in there as well?
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I for one will be testing 3.0 out to see how stable it is. We run Hyper-V in house (mostly a Windows shop, actually founded by ex-MSFTies) and we had to add some Linux images. It's probably not production quality, but I'd like to get a chance to test drive it to see what improvements we can expect down the line. Now they need to update their SCOM agent for Linux....