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What Normal Users Can Expect From Ubuntu 8.10 511

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notthatwillsmith writes "With Ubuntu 8.10 due to be released in just a few days, Maximum PC pored through all the enhancements, updates, and new features that are bundled into the release of Intrepid Ibex and separated out the new features that are most exciting for Linux desktop users. Things to be excited about? With new versions of GNOME and X.Org, there's quite a bit, ranging from the context-sensitive Deskbar search to an audio and video compatible SIP client to the new Network Manager (manage wired, Wi-Fi, VPN, and cellular broadband connections in one place)."
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What Normal Users Can Expect From Ubuntu 8.10

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  • by kidde_valind (1060754) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @06:33PM (#25512565)
    A brown desktop background?
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by LingNoi (1066278)

      Brown is Ubuntu's branding. Your artsy fartsy self might not like it but there are many others that do.

    • From the article:

      Yes. [maximumpc.com]

    • by solevita (967690) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:05PM (#25512839)
      Indeed.

      When using previous Ubuntu versions, the first thing I would do after installation was the theme to something less brown. I downloaded and installed the 8.10 beta the day it was released and it was beautiful - no need to change a thing - I loved it.

      Sadly an update replaced the beta's wallpaper with, what I imagine is, the wallpaper for the final release. It looks like crap so I changed to a solid brown background.

      Ubuntu are employing people to do design work now and it really shows. Yes, you get a brown desktop background, no, this isn't what Microsoft or Apple would sell you (unless you've got a Zune, I guess), but yes, it looks wonderful.

      An operating system is more than the colour of the background image, of course, so I really shouldn't be labouring the point so hard, or feeding the troll; if you don't like it you could change it - don't judge the whole thing on its theme. Having said that, in 8.10 brown works well.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Greg_D (138979)

        One of the problems Ubuntu has from a selling standpoint is that Gnome's look, even with the Ubuntu customized settings, look like a dull hodgepodge ripoff of Windows XP and OS X Panther.

        If you can't get people to use your distro because it looks like it's way past its prime, then it doesn't matter how useable it actually is. People need to see past ideology and make something that looks like what people are likely to want to use.

        In other words, brown is bad in this instance.

        • by solevita (967690) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @09:06PM (#25513525)

          One of the problems Ubuntu has from a selling standpoint is that Gnome's look, even with the Ubuntu customized settings, look like a dull hodgepodge ripoff of Windows XP and OS X Panther.

          If you can't get people to use your distro because it looks like it's way past its prime, then it doesn't matter how useable it actually is. People need to see past ideology and make something that looks like what people are likely to want to use.

          In other words, brown is bad in this instance.

          Unfortunately I don't think you've really got the gist of this thread, nor used the software in question. The OP was talking about the colour of the desktop wallpaper - let's not bring ideology into this. Also I don't agree with you when you say that Ubuntu looks "look like a dull hodgepodge ripoff of Windows XP and OS X Panther."

          Yes, previous brown Ubuntus looked bad, that was the starting point of my original post, but in this instance brown Ubuntu looks good.

          And that's ignoring the fact that I've shown 8.10 to a number of people, both highly technical and those who find double clicking hard, all of whom seemed to be impressed by the default look of the software. To repeat myself then:

          In other words, brown is good in this instance.

          • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

            by Jah-Wren Ryel (80510)

            So, it seems like you are saying a lot about the brown, one might even say you are making noise about it, perhaps a brown noise?

    • by Anonymous Coward
      ...someone's in the process of cleaning dog shit from a floor.
      • by Daimanta (1140543)

        and have the dog shit coincidentally spread out in the form of an (intrepid?) Ibex.

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by kv9 (697238)

          and have the dog shit coincidentally spread out in the form of an (intrepid?) Ibex.

          more like Intrepid Goatsex if you ask me.

    • by alex4u2nv (869827) * on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:35PM (#25513015) Homepage
      Its either that, or the naked people! (ubuntu calendar) [google.com]
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        I prefer this [gnome.org] one.

    • by ChameleonDave (1041178) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @11:52PM (#25514593) Homepage

      What is it with these morons complaining about default colours? The unspoken premise of all their whinges is that the chosen hues are bad, and that if only a different (and obviously superior) colour had been chosen, then there would be no complaints.

      What these idiots don't realise is that if it were XP-blue instead of earthy African reds and browns, then a million other idiots would be making exactly the same complaint in reverse.

      Fools, please try to understand: a strange quirk of human beings is that we each have a favourite colour. This means that you will never be able to design a colour scheme that nobody dislikes. Your whining is therefore utterly pointless. It's redundant before it even leaves your mouth. I have three machines: they run Ubuntu Hardy, Kubuntu Intrepid beta, and Xubuntu Hardy. They are red-brown, cyan-black, and white-cerulean, respectively. And you know what? They are all perfectly fine. No, they do not "make me hurl with those turd colours"; no, they do not "give me a headache". They're just fucking colours. If the defaults are not in line with your personal inclinations, then learn how to click on the Preferences menu. Fuck.

  • Newbie Question (Score:4, Interesting)

    by electrictroy (912290) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @06:35PM (#25512579)

    Is Ubuntu the easiest version of Linux to set up? I like the ease of just clicking "install" and everything automagically takes care of itself. (Like my Windows XP disc.)

    • Re:Newbie Question (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 25, 2008 @06:50PM (#25512727)

      Is Ubuntu the easiest version of Linux to set up?

      No. Try Mandriva and PCLOS for the easiest - they've still got the jump on Ubuntu for "it just works" with no fiddling. And their Control Center feature is better.

      Otherwise I prefer and use Ubuntu. Been using it for three years on three boxes.

      Ubuntu /does/ seem to work without fiddling for some people, and no doubt a few will flame here that I'm some sort of Microsoft Shill or whatever, but that's my experience. When I install Mandriva or PCLOS, those just work from GO, and I really wish Ubuntu would have a good look at what they're doing different.

      Haven't installed Ibex yet. I was one of the approx 25% of beta testers who had a wretched time, so filled out the bug reports and am now going to wait a month or two past release before trying the final.

    • Re:Newbie Question (Score:5, Informative)

      by nine-times (778537) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Saturday October 25, 2008 @06:54PM (#25512757) Homepage

      What version of Windows XP are you using? Any time I've installed XP from a normal disk, it requires at least agreeing to some license agreement, partitioning, formating, configuring your network to some degree, choosing username, clicking "Next" a bunch of times, some other random stupid things I'm preobably not remembering, and then installing several drivers. I'd love a copy of XP that installed as easily as hitting the "install" button.

      Anyway, yeah, Ubuntu is about as easy as installing Windows-- potentially easier because it's likely that it will recognize more of your hardware without installing drivers. Also, you can boot up the install CD as a LiveCD and try using the OS before you install.

      • Re:Newbie Question (Score:4, Informative)

        by Lennie (16154) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @06:59PM (#25512793) Homepage

        I think he's probably talking about a restore cd or similair.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Tubal-Cain (1289912)

        I'd love a copy of XP that installed as easily as hitting the "install" button.

        nLite [nliteos.com]

        You can slipstream in service packs and hotfixes, set all those little options you always change, chose not to install certain components (even Luna), set your CD-key...

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by kesuki (321456)

        "Any time I've installed XP from a normal disk, it requires at least agreeing to some license agreement, partitioning, formating, configuring your network to some degree, choosing username, clicking "Next" a bunch of times, some other random stupid things I'm preobably not remembering"

        any big name OEM install includes about exactly picking your username, waiting while installs tons of garbage, (trial ware everything, stupid OEM software, those drivers you mentioned, etc) and then removing all the crappy sof

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by LingNoi (1066278)

      You never just "click install" on windows xp..

      1) Pop in disk
      2) First you have to setup a partition to install windows.. lets assume it's an empty disk so you'd press c (create partition) and number the number of disk space for that partition then enter, then you press enter again to install on that partition.
      3) Windows installs some files then reboots into a install setup. On this page you setup your computers name, organisation, location and language setup, keyboard setup, etc.
      4) Windows installs more file

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by bonch (38532)

        Posts like yours are always fun because they're always wildly biased. First, you overstate the Windows partition step while over-simplifying the Ubuntu partition step. Second, I love how you include Microsoft Office in the Windows steps just to pad the list, as if most Windows PCs and their factory reinstall discs don't already include some form of Office. You also pad the list with things like "Windows installs more files," as if Ubuntu doesn't also, you know, install files. You even throw in Windows U

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by mackyrae (999347)
          Uh, Windows install disks don't include Office. He's right on that.

          And Ubuntu's version of the partitioner is that it gives a "use whole disk" option and a "drag the slider to show how much of the disk goes to each OS" thing. There is a more advanced partitioner available, but the user doesn't have to see it.
        • Re:Newbie Question (Score:4, Insightful)

          by LingNoi (1066278) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:51PM (#25513119)

          you overstate the Windows partition step while over-simplifying the Ubuntu partition step.

          How so? What I said is exactly that. On an unformatted disk you get three options, 1- use the whole disk, 2- custom partiton, and.. wait. there's only two.

          I can't figure out what I mean by me over simplifying it because that's what it is, simple.

          Since you didn't include an example of what you mean (no need to backup your claims, right) i'll just have to assume you don't know what you're talking about.

          Second, I love how you include Microsoft Office in the Windows steps just to pad the list

          I did that because Ubuntu comes with Office software already on the disk.

          You do realise that people use office software don't you?

          as if most Windows PCs and their factory reinstall discs don't already include some form of Office

          This is nonsense, how can you do a fair comparrison of installing the operating system on a custom pc and come up with "the vendor disk".

          It's totally irrelevant anyway because it's still not a click install even with the vendor disk. Which was my whole point in the first place.

          You even throw in Windows Update, as if Ubuntu doesn't pop up a red triangle on the Gnome menu telling you there are updates to download.

          Yes because it would be irresponsible not to download updates for Windows. It's so important that your box can get owned in less then 4 minutes [slashdot.org].

        • Re:Newbie Question (Score:5, Informative)

          by daoine_sidhe (619572) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @08:08PM (#25513221)

          He'll hit +5 because he's right. I install Windows XP every day, multiple times per day, on every piece of hardware you can imagine. As a matter of fact, what he described as the windows setup (which you claim is overstated) actually left out a few steps. Starting at what he should have listed as step six, you still have to install device drivers (this requires multiple reboots as you cover all hardware), install AV software, product activation (may require a telephone call if you've re-installed too many times, or changed any hardware), windows updates (more reboots)...

          He was modded up because he was right. The entire Ubuntu installation, configuration, and applying all updates takes less then 1/2 hr (no, I'm not exaggerating, try it) and is finished while Windows XP is still formatting the disk.

        • Not so biased... (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Junta (36770)

          The windows partition step is accurate for retail disks of XP. The steps aren't complex, but they require user to be explicit. In the Ubuntu case, it does indeed default/suggest formatting that you can just accept, for the most common case.

          I accept that the poster was describing the retail packaging from microsoft. Comparing OEM 'convenience' roll-ups of software to direct OEM-independent media isn't fair either. As such, Windows XP is not useful in and of itself, and Office and numerous other pieces of

      • Re:Newbie Question (Score:4, Informative)

        by BraulioBezerra (1321253) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:31PM (#25512995)

        4) Wait for installer to finish then restart taking out the disk.

        And meanwhile you can access the Internet (in most cases) or play some games.

      • Re:Newbie Question (Score:5, Interesting)

        by jonaskoelker (922170) <jonaskoelker@gnu ... org minus distro> on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:32PM (#25512997) Homepage

        You never just "click install" on windows xp..
        1) Pop in disk
        2) First you have to [...]

        Almost correct.

        1-5) as you said.
        6) Look at the popup that says lsass.exe will shut down your box in 30 seconds
        7) Pull the box off the network
        8-12) Do step 1-5 again
        13) Download antivirus without connection to the network. Pixies and leprechauns are helpful here.
        14) Install the antivirus
        15-16) step 6-7

        Based on a true story. I can't tell you how much I hated windows when I saw the sasser popup.

        • Re:Newbie Question (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Draek (916851) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @09:22PM (#25513599)

          13) Download antivirus without connection to the network. Pixies and leprechauns are helpful here.

          Which is why you should always install XP with at least one of the following:

          a) Behind a firewall (may not be completely safe, though).
          b) With a laptop besides you.
          c) With an Ubuntu LiveCD.

          Option c) is specially funny though, all things considered, but it's the one I usually recommend. In fact, many of my friends' PCs used to have a relatively small FAT32 partition for LinuxWindows file exchange during install/troubleshooting, before Linux got reliable NTFS support.

      • Re:Newbie Question (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Velex (120469) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @10:24PM (#25514025) Homepage Journal

        2) First you have to setup a partition to install windows.. lets assume it's an empty disk so you'd press c (create partition) and number the number of disk space for that partition then enter, then you press enter again to install on that partition.

        As an interesting anecdote to back up your point: a friend/roommate bought a new computer and got ahold of a warez XP 64-bit install CD. None of the cd keys from my secret stash worked, naturally, so he decided to go buy a legit copy of XP. Because the 64-bit installer had already loaded stuff on the drive (yeah I know real technical language—it's the weekend jeez) the legit disk refused to do anything.

        So I got out a handy Linux livecd to nuke the partition table so the legit XP CD would install from scratch. So he was all set.

        A few weeks later he motioned me into his room after I got home from work and explained that Windows wasn't seeing his whole drive. I immediately noticed that Windows had only created a 300 GB partition on his 750 GB drive! I mentioned a few tools I could get together to expand the NTFS filesystem, but he decided to just make the other 450 GB a D: drive.

        Moral of the story is that installing Windows is, as you suggest, not just hitting some big red "Install" button.

    • Nope. Ubuntu is a pita to get working the way you want - oh yes, if you just want it working out of the box as the ubuntu developers want it working out of the box it's ok (unless you want some custom partitions, in which case it's a bit hairy), but to make it do what YOU want is damn-near impossible.

      I was trying to set up a mythtv box a few weeks ago with mythbuntu, and I could get mythbuntu installed, but could I get control over any of the rest of the system to make customisations? Could I heck - I also

      • Ubuntu doesn't need to be infinitely customizable. We have Gentoo for that. Anyways, it's not like you can't put together your own distro if you care enough.
    • Re:Newbie Question (Score:5, Interesting)

      by marco.antonio.costa (937534) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:18PM (#25512927)

      In my experience it's more JustWorkish than Windows. My ancient Bt878whatever capture card and Chinese junk Bluetooth adapter were both a pain to set on Windows. On Ubuntu I just get a recognized capture device and a nice little BT icon on the tray. :-)

      Haven't looked back since. Kudos to Shuttleworth and employees.

      • Re:Newbie Question (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 25, 2008 @08:55PM (#25513477)

        You know what doesn't work for me? Dual monitors. Every time I try to use dual monitors with Ubuntu it gets all confused and ends up giving me two copies of a 640x480 desktop or some crap like that. I've never had it work without writing my own xorg.conf which makes all the video control panel stuff break.

        Why can't I just have what I have in Windows - A properly working Xinerama type desktop (not Twinview)? I don't want all my dialogs centered on the seam in the middle and I don't want to maximize across both monitors. Has any progress been made in this area?

        • Re:Newbie Question (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Falstius (963333) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @09:28PM (#25513637)

          As a Linux Zealot with Mod points, I'd love to mod your exaggerations down. But, I use dual monitors and it never works as well as it should. On my laptop, I can only clone screens. On my desktop it works well except that compiz gets confused with dual monitors (so I turn it off). The latest Fedora and Ubuntu are making strides but it is still extremely disappointing. I love Linux, I'd never go back to Windows but I really wish dual monitor setup was better.

          • Re:Newbie Question (Score:4, Interesting)

            by mechsoph (716782) on Sunday October 26, 2008 @06:43AM (#25516253)

            It's not that hard. You just add one line to your xorg.conf (something like "Virtual 2048 768" to the Display Subsection of your Screen section). Then you do a `xrandr --output VGA-0 --left-of DVI-0'. This gives you one X screen split across your two monitors. I have this working fine on multiple machines with the open source radeon drivers. The only hiccup from compiz is that if your total screen size if bigger than the maximum texture size of your card, you get some strange artifacts in the extra screen area. It's still quite usable, and a reasonable workaround is to just stick some window there pinned to all workspaces (I use an Eterm tailling /var/log/messages pinned using devilspie).

            It used to be possible to run each monitor as a separate X screen using a little more hackery in the xorg.conf file. I thought that was nicer than using a single screen; however, Xorg broke that sometime in the past 10 months. Now trying to make that work (at least with the radeon drivers) will cause X to crash, which is really just pathetic.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by williamgrant (1077817)
          Multi-monitor almost always works fine with the Intel and ATI drivers. The nvidia blob still doesn't support XRandR 1.2, so you have to use their thpecial control panel, which tends to break things.
        • Re:Newbie Question (Score:4, Informative)

          by Eythian (552130) <.zn.ten.itsillak. .ta. .nibor.> on Saturday October 25, 2008 @11:37PM (#25514519) Homepage

          I use twinview on my laptop all the time, switching between dual and single a lot. The problem with it is really a Gnome issue. If you start up with a single monitor and switch to dual, Gnome doesn't think of it like two monitors, and so panels span both, windows maximise across both, etc.

          The solution is to add 'Option "twinview" "1"' (or whatever it is) to your xorg.conf and the first time you use dual monitors after starting gnome, logout and login with the second monitor attached. Then it works.

          You'll need to use the nvidia control panel to set up the monitor layouts etc.

          With the exception of this (which is really less of a problem than it sounds, it meant that every couple of weeks I'd have to log out and log back in), twinview works fine.

          In Intrepid, even this isn't necessary. Plug in a monitor, turn on twinview through the control panel, and it's all happy. Twinview is pretty much just an nvidia implementation of xinerama.

          The reason it doesn't work like all the other cards is thanks to nvidia. Nothing that can be done until they see the light and make their drivers free software.

    • Re:Newbie Question (Score:4, Informative)

      by ricegf (1059658) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:22PM (#25512947) Journal

      It's actually easier than Windows, IMHO. It boots into Ubuntu without asking a single question, so you can decide if you like it. If you do, double-click "Install" on the desktop, answer the same type of questions as you would on Windows, and while it loads onto the hard drive, you can continue using it.

      Or, if you prefer, stick the disk into a computer running Windows, click "Install", and it will install as if it were a Windows application. After installation, when you reboot, you get the usual grub menu to select either Ubuntu or Windows. If you later decide you don't like it, boot Windows and select Ubuntu and Uninstall from Add / Remove Programs, and it uninstalls.

      I really can't imagine anything easier. Well, other than buying [dell.com] it [system76.com] pre-installed [tuxmobil.org]. :-)

  • and what about kubuntu users?

    most of the features seam gnome centric. use KDE fans make up ~30% of the *buntu userbase

    • Re:kubuntu? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Kjella (173770) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @06:46PM (#25512693) Homepage

      KDE4. No more KDE3, if you want that stick with hardy. So if you have already made the jump with KDE4 packages on hardy I'd guess "not that much", if you haven't well better read up on all the news in KDE4.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by fwarren (579763)

        Just as well clue everyone in. PearsonComputing [pearsoncomputing.net] are hosting their own deb repository for KDE 3.5 in Intrepid.

        I fully expect the slashdot effect to kick in by November 1, 2008. I am positive that the repository will shit the bed when thousands of Kubuntu users who finaly see that their cam is supported in Intrepid running a 2.6.27 and still want KDE 3.5. Hardy won't cut it or them. Ubuntu will not have published a 2.6.27 Kernel for Hardy. They will still want 2.6.27 AND KDE 3.5.

        I am set, already have my wi

    • Re:kubuntu? (Score:5, Informative)

      by kesuki (321456) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @06:56PM (#25512773) Journal

      kubuntu 8.10 is coming along too, i've got the beta running, because the 8.04.1 update hosed my system. broke the x.org server, sigh.

      8.10 kubuntu although still in beta has been pretty stable, there was one program that crashed on me, but didn't affect me, and there is an annoying bug with trying to configure the ethernet manually using the 'tray icon' (it won't ask for a password, and the ethernet can't be configured without a password) although, it seems like that icon is mysteriously gone today (there were some 27 updates today) plasmoids are really cool, they let you put useful widgets anywhere on the desktop, on the system bar, etc. but there aren't very many plasmoids right now.

      • plasmoids are really cool

        Man I totally agree. Incinerate and Hypnotize Big Daddy are my favorites, what's yours? :)

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Artifakt (700173)

        I'm running in Kubuntu 8.04 - I just added what KDE4 files I could using adept literally yesterday, and rebooted to it to try it out, then went back to 3.5.
        Biggest issues I saw:
        1. When you say there aren't many plasmoids yet, its an understatement. A lot of the useful desktop applets, i.e. local weather, haven't been added yet. There's just about nothing in the way of marginally useful but neat applets such as moon phase converted to plasmoids. You could use a third party applet program until more stuff get

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Risen888 (306092)

          With regards to #1, you can run SuperKaramba applets and Screenlets as Plasmoids. The weather and moon phase Plasmoids do exist but you have to go to kde-look.org and install them yourself. But I must say that I am distressed by the lack of enthusiasm that applet developers have so far displayed toward Plasma. You're right that that list isn't as long as it should be.

  • PowerPC Ubuntu Help (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Doc Ruby (173196)

    We can also expect the PowerPC distro to fall further behind, unless the outside community helps the ubuntu-cell project [ubuntu.com], which has taken over from the main Ubuntu project (run by Canonical,Inc) in maintaining that architecture's distro. Which means not just PS3 Ubuntu, but also PPC ubuntu on other platforms, including rack servers and workstations, and embedded PPCs that might use a stripped-down downstream distro (but benefit from Ubuntu's APT repos), or any other Cell machines, from workstations to super

  • by jdb2 (800046) * on Saturday October 25, 2008 @06:43PM (#25512667) Journal
    I recently upgraded my Kubuntu 8.04 install to 8.10 and although there are many new features, specifically the main one being KDE 4.1.x, I experienced constant segfaults, lock-ups, and crashes, mostly associated in some way with KDE4 . Also, there were the "little" bugs , a multitude of minor but very annoying UI glitches. So, I went back to my old 8.04 install. I don't see how they could have managed to fix all the above problems in just a few weeks.

    I'm sticking to 8.04 until I hear otherwise.

    jdb2
  • by Cordath (581672) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:05PM (#25512841)
    Proper Bluray media support.

    I don't care if I have to pay for it. I just want to be able to play all Bluray media, including stuff with only HD audio codecs that are currently unsupported in Linux.

    Now, I know some of you think this is unnecessary fluff. However, if Linux wants to compete with Windows it has to tackle the crucial stumbling blocks that force people to continue using Windows. Linux has lots of great home theater software and many aspirations towards filling that niche, but they amount to a hill of beans without support for all HD media.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Just download 720p / 1080p divx like the rest of the universe.

    • by Mascot (120795) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:28PM (#25512979)

      I see a few stumbling blocks between Blu-ray and Linux being licensed to play it.

      1. The distro would likely have to rewrite most of the driver architecture to support the required media path protection.

      2. It would almost certainly have to go closed source.

      Somehow I don't see that happening.

      Personally, I'm not touching Blu-ray with a ten foot pole due to the DRM. DVDs were bad enough, but at least they would never tell me "sorry, I don't like your TV so I won't let you watch me". Once region free DVD players became the norm, I was ok with spending money on them. As for Blu-ray.. Until they are willing to sell me a product I feel comfortable buying, I'll enjoy HD content via mkv on my Tvix.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Kjella (173770)

      It's a problem, but I'm not sure it's a technical one. Even though AACS is trivially broken by AnyDVD, Cyberlink probably doesn't get a HD license for Linux because of piracy BS. They do sell a regular DVD player in the Ubuntu Store if you didn't know. On the open source side there's some progress going on, but it's slow work and to be honest I don't think there are that many Linux PCs with a Blu-Ray drive. But there are interesting developments going on, hardware acceleration is coming soon [phoronix.com] to ATI cards. I

    • by Directrix1 (157787) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @08:02PM (#25513193)
      Does VLC not support this yet?
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by rzei (622725)

        According to Wikipedia's page [wikipedia.org] it'd seem the following codecs need to be supported:

        • mpeg-2
        • mpeg-4 avc
        • vc-1

        VC-1 is Microsoft's shit all over again, and I don't remember libavcodec supporting it yet, if ever.

        Even when you've got support for all the X codecs required by BD you'll still have to crack the encryption (you bought it right? ... instead of downloading a hdrip).

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Jorophose (1062218)

      If you don't mind making backups of your bluray discs, I think K3B et al can burn BD-Rs.

      In that case, get yourself a copy of SlySoft AnyDVD HD. I'm hoping SlySoft will eventually work with Wine to get this running on linux (I don't think they'll make a real port any time soon) because it's totally worth the money. A buddy of mine bought it a while back after buying AnyDVD. Stuff's great; especially AnyDVD, because some DVD players are peculiar (although, I think it's more because most people have started us

  • by dlevitan (132062) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:25PM (#25512959)

    I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 right now. The article claims "The last six months of development have brought tons of new functionality that make running Linux easier for all users". I hardly see anything awe-inspiring. Here's my perspective as a current KDE user:

    1. GNOME: I see nothing revolutionary or even exciting here. Ekiga is their picture for this. That's definitely a niche app. Better bluetooth support and resolution controls are good I guess. I've had the on KDE for a few years now I believe.

    2. X.org: Hotplugging mice/keyboards "works now"? Well, it works now for me with 8.04. They must've had to dig deep to find something like that. So does resolution switching and xrandr support for multiple displays (which is a huge deal, but has already been around for a year).

    3. New kernel: always good for my laptop which typically get a few more things running more smoothly with each kernel release

    4. Network manager: Anyway who has a 3G connection probably has a laptop. And laptop's need network profile. I need one for work and one for my apartment. Ubuntu doesn't support these and this article doesn't mention anything new. Everything listed is minor improvements. Personally, I have to use wicd, which is decent, but isn't quite as well integrated as networkmanager.

    5. Guest account: I see no point for this. Either you trust the person or you don't. And you can create your own guest account if you really want to and switch to it. At least I can do that from KDE. I suppose one click is nicer than click, type in guest/guest, and log in. So maybe a worthwhile feature, though hardly earth-shattering

    6. Flash video: Eh, what was stopping things from working before? I assume this just means version 10 is supported. Which is great, but 64 bit support is still lacking so I'll still have problems with it. No, not an ubuntu problem, but I can complain anyway.

    7. Secret hidden folders: Just use truecrypt. This doesn't even encrypt your home directory based on the article. And you need to go to the terminal to set it up?

    8. Config-less x.org: Now this is nice. Hopefully it'll work well. I haven't had to use an xorg config file for a few years now beyond the default, though to support multiple monitors I've had to include a virtual screen line. Hopefully this will fix that problem.

    Personally, I'm more intereted in Kubuntu dropping KDE3 in 8.10. KDE4 can be set up well, but it certainly doesn't support everything that's in KDE3 and still isn't quite as smooth (though I actually like it a lot).

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Chlorus (1146335)

      2. X.org: Hotplugging mice/keyboards "works now"?

      What's truly sad is that Windows 98 had that feature, and it took the Xorg people so long to implement it. Its XFree86 all over again.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Seraphim_72 (622457)

      Here's my perspective as a current KDE user:

      Would a KooKie and a glass of warm milK make you feel better?

      ;)

  • Eclipse (Score:5, Interesting)

    by epine (68316) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @07:29PM (#25512981)

    I wish Ubuntu would get their act together on Eclipse.

    From http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1265/ [ubuntu.com]

    msarro wrote on the 25 Mar 08 at 01:50

    This has almost 550 vote ups, more than just about anything else on this place, and yet according to launchpad this isn't even supposed to make the hardy release? C'mon guys, 3.3 is a year old, and 3.4 will be in testing shortly after hardy. Some of us like to have a scripted install so we can get ubuntu installed, run our shell script, come back an hour or two later and have everything installed. Yes, it can be downloaded and run from a folder, but we can do that with everything. So if that's the retort people are going to keep kicking back at us why are we even bothering to include apt?

    My attempt to run Ganymede from a folder was unsuccessful. Maybe it was the AMD64 thing, I never figured it out, and I don't want to.

    Ibex appears to be stuck at 3.2.2. That's Callisto from July 2006. If Jaunty remains stuck at 3.2 in April 2009, I'll begin to seriously wonder about things. Does July 2002 to June 2005 ring any bells with Ubuntu management?

    I've read other threads which suggest that Fedora enjoys a small monopoly on the developers who are proficient at packaging Java applications.

    [[Had some problems posting from a public terminal. Sorry if my repost ends up becoming a dup.]]

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by rzei (622725)

      Why don't you just go ahead and install the minimum java support (sun-java6-jdk i believe is the package's name)?

      After that you can download eclipse binaries from their website, and run the binary from the directory! That's at least how I been doing my Java development on linux (kubuntu) for the past year.

      Agreed, those packages don't work, but those seem a bit redundant. Eclipse does have it's own upgrading and addon system, there's really no need for a system wide installation!

      If you screw something

  • by jonaskoelker (922170) <jonaskoelker@gnu ... org minus distro> on Saturday October 25, 2008 @08:02PM (#25513191) Homepage

    X.Org 7.4 [...]. Hotplugging support for input devices actually works now, so you can plug in mice and tablets and use them without having to reboot.

    Having to reboot? Wouldn't that be a kernel issue and not an X.org issue? I can imagine why you'd have to restart the X server, but the kernel? Haven't the kernel had hotplugging support with hotplug or udev for a few years now?

    Improvements to X.Org also allow for the easier to manage display control panel, which allows users to adjust resolutions and screen placement for single and multiple monitor displays easily.

    This is next to this image: http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u7/resolution.jpg [maximumpc.com]. Who wants to bet that the control panel is part of GNOME, not X.org?

    The new Network Manager is a great improvement over the previous release. It allows your Ubuntu machine to connect to the network before a user logs in.

    Still no easy bonding? I submitted a request for that [/me feels indignant].

    A bit seriously though: bonding rocks. Wanna pick up your laptop and not break the sshfs connection to your file server? Sure. Wanna have bandwidth that doesn't suck while you're tethered down by the ethernet cable? You can have that too.

    But not with NetworkManager unless you hack some of its dispatcher scripts. Only for the techies.

    Better Support for Web Video and Audio
    Ubuntu now supports the high-quality setting in YouTube! We shall celebrate by watching videos of other people's animals at a better quality level. Additionally, now Ubuntu users can view the programming the BBC puts online in Totem. That's right, you can enjoy fine shows like Scotland Outdoors and The Archers from your Linux PC.

    Cool! Uhh... what was updated again? Firefox? Flash? GStreamer? Totem? firefox-gstreamer-totemish-flv-plugin?

    Type ecryptfs-setup-private in the Terminal, and you can hide and encrypt a folder in your Home directory. [...] This folder gives a secure location that you can use to store sensitive files, without paying the performance penalty that full-disk encryption incurs.

    I wouldn't trust that. Applications may not know to keep data secret beyond umask, and so will store stuff in /tmp. Or your secret data will be put on the non-encrypted swap partition. And in my experience, full-disk encryption works fine, very little is noticable; a few .5s-delays when saving in emacs.

    Config-less X.Org

    Awesome!!1!

    No seriously, I really think it is. Not much use to me now, but it'll probably be in the future.

    [I'm still going to have an xorg.conf because it's a great place to cast spells that makes my trackball kick ass. EmulateWheel springs to mind, which is really a must with a Logitech Marble Mouse that has scroll _buttons_ instead of a wheel; no repeated scrolling otherwise, but with EmulateWheel I have it, and I have horizontal scrolling. Check out Battle for Wesnoth with horizontal scrolling, I wrote that :)]

    Not the greatest written article. But I look forward to upgrading. Last time I did that, though, something broke. My plan is to pick a new package each day [or maybe every eight hours or so] and upgrade just that one. Then, when something breaks, I can limit it to one package plus dependencies, instead of all $BIGNUM packages.

    Has it been half a year already? :)

    -- Jonas K

  • My Experience (Score:5, Informative)

    by spandex_panda (1168381) on Saturday October 25, 2008 @08:41PM (#25513401)
    I would like to add my 0.02. I installed Ubuntu 8.10 about a month ago due to getting a new pc with an intel ich - 10 (or whatever) chipset where hardy (the great stable one) wouldn't recognise my hard drive (pain in the arse).
    So I installed intrepid and in the beginning there were constant application crashes, nvidia issues, then my wireless card stopped working and I couldn't even compile serialmonkey's drivers!
    But now I am siting pretty, new vlc, new gnome, new gimp, open office 3.0 (from a ppa repo), new deluge ... its all great. Nvidia drivers work flawlessly and I even got 2 screens working (a 22 inch samsung and a CRT TV) without manually editting xorg.conf!! (amazing!). Virtualbox [virtualbox.org] runs in seamless mode so I can use the few windows apps I can't live without (mostly for Uni) and ... its really great!

    So in conclusion, if you want the latest and greatest free software then I highly recommend that you try Ubuntu 8.10, it works fabulously for me. If you want a super stable free software OS then use 8.04.1.

  • by pterandon (967625) on Sunday October 26, 2008 @08:41AM (#25516781)
    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288726 [launchpad.net]

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