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mrcgran writes "Dell announced the availability of Ubuntu in Europe and future plans for China. 'I hinted at this before, but today, it's official: Dell announced that consumers in the United Kingdom, France and Germany can order an Inspiron 6400 notebook or an Inspiron 530N desktop with Ubuntu 7.04 pre-installed... In his LinuxWorld keynote, Kevin Kettler announced that Dell and Novell intend to offer SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 factory-installed on select consumer notebooks and desktops in China.'"
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Ubuntu Dell Now In UK, France, and Germany

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  • Canada? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by javacowboy (222023) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @09:23PM (#20151367)
    Why wouldn't Dell extend this deal into Canada?

    Seems like the next logical step since Canada is a very similar market to the U.S.

    I don't buy the excuse that they would have to deal with French language regulations, since they're extending their deal to France and to another non-English country, namely, Germany.
    • Definitely a weird move... While this is obviously not a representative sample of the whole population of Canada, I know of at least two people who were holding off on much-needed laptop purchases in the hopes of Canada making that list. Guess Dell won't be getting their business yet.
    • by CastrTroy (595695)
      Also, Linux does quite well on the i8n front. Installing Mandriva, there was more languages then I could even name. Also, being a Canadian, I don't think that they are required to sell all their products in French. You don't see the book stores selling all the same books in both French and English. Then again, all the video games come with a French manual, even if the entire game is in English.
      • by jez9999 (618189)
        Also, Linux does quite well on the i8n front. Installing Mandriva, there was more languages then I could even name.

        Does it include i8n 5p33k?

        Seriously, why are otherwise-sensible programmers too lazy to type localization? I've never gotten it. Is it something to do with an old 8 character filename restriction?
    • Quebec French language restrictions are probably to blame for this.

      For example: France has 'Stop' signs whereas Quebec has 'Arretez'...

      It should also be noted that Parisian french and Canadian french are bastard cousins of each other.

      ---
      Dammit, it's my bike shed and it will be green.
    • by Benaiah (851593)

      Why wouldn't Dell extend this deal into Canada?
      No way... Aus is a more of a bitch of the US then Canada.

      We should get Ubuntu dells first!!!

    • by Fred_A (10934)

      Why wouldn't Dell extend this deal into Canada?

      Well, they could extend it to France as they claimed they did... I just did a search for "Ubuntu" on dell.fr and got a "Sorry, your search yielded no result" response (except it was "Désolé, aucun résultat trouvé" obviously).

      Also I always wonder why PC makers who try this always do so only on their entry level model. As if they believed people got Linux because it was cheaper (hint : I seriously doubt that's the main reason for the great majority of users). I had my sight sets on someth

  • by 3seas (184403) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @09:33PM (#20151451) Journal
    ...but apparently its the OSS fractions that's wedging into territory occupied by MS...

  • Is this a win? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Mukunda_NZ (1078231)
    I feel this is only a win if Ubuntu and Suse stop embracing proprietary, non-free (as in freedom) drivers. If they don't then the hardware manufacturers will still in in control of your computer, and you'll be at their mercy if there are bugs in the drivers which make the hardware unusable with your selected distro. Only if there is a push for free drivers will this be a win for everyone, rather than just for Ubuntu, Suse and others that happily ship non-free drivers.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Machtyn (759119)
      While I agree that Open Sourcing either the drivers would be good, I think I'd rather have the full microcode for the chipsets. That would give several different groups a chance at making drivers. I'm not sure why AMD/ATI and NVidia don't release the assembly code, they may find they would not have to work as hard on drivers and they just might get some free assistance in tracking down bugs in both Windows and any other OS. Having said all that, I'd rather take these baby steps with Dell offering any pre
      • by Fred_A (10934)
        Apparently because it's not wholly theirs to release. At least that's what they claim.
    • Re:Is this a win? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by grcumb (781340) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @10:58PM (#20152101) Homepage Journal

      I feel this is only a win if Ubuntu and Suse stop embracing proprietary, non-free (as in freedom) drivers. If they don't then the hardware manufacturers will still in in control of your computer, and you'll be at their mercy if there are bugs in the drivers which make the hardware unusable with your selected distro.

      I am inclined to trust Mark Shuttleworth when he makes reasonable compromises to make PCs work today. I feel this way because he does so without relenting in his efforts to ensure that a Free Ubuntu remains available to all. It's obvious to anyone who watches how he spends his money that he really is committed to Software Freedom, and that Ubuntu and Canonical are simply means to achieve that end.

      He is also a businessman who understands what is required to achieve acceptance of said Freedom in the real world. It's clear that there are interim steps involved, which involve dirtying one's shoes with proprietary kludges from time to time. It's a necessary step, not because of any innate shortcomings in the FOSS model, but because of limitations in the manufacture and marketing of proprietary hardware and software.

      Free Software breeds more Free Software. It's not 'viral', as Microsoft likes to say - it's addictive. The benefits of openness and cooperation are immense in a world where intellectual wealth is infinitely replicable. Shuttleworth knows this. In order to addict a wider part of the population, therefore, it's necessary to ensure that some product (heh) reach them, even if it's been adulterated somewhat.

      • Free Software breeds more Free Software. It's not 'viral', as Microsoft likes to say - it's addictive.

        That's not the same. Free software in itself is not 'viral'. The GNU (and similar licenses) could be viewed as viral though.

        In working for a corporation, I've seen the "why not use open source?" question asked a few times, and the answers are the same everytime:

        free open source is fine

        stay away from GNU

        I don't know, let us see the license .

        We (for example) use the ACE framework [wustl.edu] with no problems,

        • by trifish (826353)
          That's not the same. Free software in itself is not 'viral'. The GNU (and similar licenses) could be viewed as viral though.

          Absolutely. See here [slashdot.org] for more detailed explanation of why even truly open source software (BSD, Mozilla License) often can't even touch GPLed code. Sadly, GPL is viral and prevents co-operation even in the open source world. It's not MS who says it's viral, it's open source developers who do.
        • by jez9999 (618189)
          We (for example) use the ACE framework [wustl.edu] with no problems, but the managers and the legal department around here are terrified that if GNU code entered our codebase someone would scream "show us the sourcecode!" for everything.

          And your legal dept. have a problem with that, why? Because you're relying on closed-source to make money instead of providing ongoing services for clients that they couldn't get otherwise get with just the sourcecode? Maybe you need a new businessmodel.
          • And your legal dept. have a problem with that, why? Because you're relying on closed-source to make money instead of providing ongoing services for clients that they couldn't get otherwise get with just the sourcecode? Maybe you need a new businessmodel.

            They're making over 2 billion dollars a year in profit (and have been for some years) and they're in the top 5 providers for their domain (though this position is self-proclaimed, so it might not be really that accurate). Considering their purpose is makin

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Repossessed (1117929)
      I'd call it that. I've got a fairly intimate knowledge of the Dell systems that can be configured with Ubuntu (I fix Dell's for a living). Dell tends to favor Intel for it's onboard graphics (and Linux users have little reason, to upgrade this). And Intel produces it's own open source* drivers. Sadly, right now it looks like the new Inspiron desktop doesn't have an onboard graphics option**, and the XPS machines never do, so until that changes, a pure open source system will have to be the notebooks.

      *GP
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Repossessed (1117929)
        Addendum. There *is* a Intel GMA something or other on the 530 lineup, but in order to get it, you'll have to pay 50 dollars more, and Ubuntu won't be preinstalled. (Go to Dell.com/open and click on shop for FreeDOS)

        It makes no sense to me either.

        Another nifty trick? They have an ultra low end (as in celeron) machine with Vista on it, will only cost you 400 dollars and should run Linux great (except the modem, which will be useless).

        Okay, so I'm borderline astroturfing at this point. I'm being honest ab
  • KDE? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Karma Sucks (127136)
    Is KDE the default on any of these configurations?
    • Re: (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      It's Gnome for Ubuntu.
      • by compro01 (777531)
        though you can always get Kbuntu, though i find the application management isn't nearly as streamlined as the GNOME one is. then again, i haven't tried kbuntu in a few versions, so it might have improved since then.
    • by plaxion (98397)
      If you purchase a Dell system with Ubuntu installed on it you can easily install KDE onto it, either through the graphical Synaptic package manager or by simply typing the following in a terminal:

      sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
    • by ianare (1132971)
      Both Ubuntu and SUSE-super-enterprise-desktop-10000 default to GNOME.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by kripkenstein (913150)

      Is KDE the default on any of these configurations?

      No. GNOME is the default on all distros that are likely to be pre-installed these days, Ubuntu, SUSE and Red Hat/Fedora.

      You can of course very easily install KDE on these systems, a simple apt-get on Ubuntu for example.

      The reason, I suspect, is mostly the licensing of Qt and KDE, which is the GPL (and not LGPL, which GTK+ is). This makes it less corporate-friendly, in a way. It probably explains the big shift to GNOME in the major distros, as well as

      • Of course, GNU have said that "LPGL represents a retreat for [them]", so getting "acceptance" of GNOME through that route doesn't really count as winning any sort of Free Software battle.
      • The reason, I suspect, is mostly the licensing of Qt and KDE, which is the GPL (and not LGPL, which GTK+ is). This makes it less corporate-friendly, in a way. It probably explains the big shift to GNOME in the major distros, as well as the focus on GNOME in nearly all the new mobile Linux initiatives.

        KDE's libraries are LGPL, so it's only QT libs that are GPL'ed, though that is of little consequence as of the present. And I don't worry too much about KDEs future, the shift to GNOME just mark the entering of the non-powerusers into the linux system. KDE is empowerment, features and customizability. Gnome is "get-the-hell-out-of-my-way", "do-as-little-as-possible" and conformality. Nothing wrong with either one, as long as I don't have to use Gnome. A limited system might be better for new users, especi

  • by Anonymous Coward
    As I recall, from a few weeks ago, dell's cheapest desktop is $349 and is available with Vista Home only.

    The cheapest dell/Ubuntu is $499.

    I'd buy a machine right now if the pricing made sense.

    Even if they shipped the $349 box with a blank hard drive I'd buy that over the Ubuntu @ $499

    And the walmart everex 20 watt machine that was in all the news a couple weeks ago is MIA. I went to the local superstore and they not only did not have any everex desktops, they had no idea what $298 offer I was talking about.
  • Maybe with backing from Dell, Ubuntu and especially SuSE, NVIDIA will finally be forced to make a video driver worth the powder to blow it to Hell.
    • by ianare (1132971)

      NVIDIA will finally be forced to make a video driver worth the powder to blow it to Hell.
      I would rather any new drivers NOT blow my video card to Hell, thank you very much!
  • In the US the max CPU offered on the Ubuntu-loaded Inspiron 530N is currently the E4300. If you want a faster CPU with Ubuntu, you have to go with the (much more expensive) XPS 410N instead of the Inspiron.

    Whereas on Dell's FreeDOS-loaded 530N you can go up to the E6420.

    Why does Dell restrict the Ubuntu-loaded Inspiron to low-end CPUs?
  • Good job, editors. With all the complaints we see about bad summaries, it's nice to see a summary that's so concise and correct.
  • I checked both the UK and German dell websites and even if I specifically search for Ubuntu, the only thing I can find is the US Dell Ubuntu site.
  • dell? (Score:5, Funny)

    by larry bagina (561269) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @10:57PM (#20152085) Journal

    For all the haters out there, let me just say that I like linux and I like ubuntu. Being community based, they've managed to get popular without getting the illwill that red hat did. And I think this is a good thing in general, but let's be honest: Dell sucks. This would have been great news 5 years ago when Dell was the top dog, but now they're racing to the bottom. HP/Compaq, Gateway, Lenevo, etc are eating their lunch. Apple is where it's at.

    I've started a letter writing campaign to Steve Jobs to encourage him to sell Macintosh computers preloaded with Linux. Apple is on the leading edge of personal computing (or at least the journalists and newsmakers seem to think so). If we could encourage them to ship an iMac with ubuntu linux (or maybe kubuntu), that would have a halo effect. Curious people would install ubuntu on their home pcs. Maybe Apple will even open source iWork (Pages/Keynote/Numbers) and we'll finally have a decent word processor and spreadsheet.

    • by lixee (863589)
      Macs preloaded with Linux? You're forcing your luck.
    • by Vexorian (959249)
      I guess you'll get laughet on return of your request, I guess it is easier to see flying pigs than to ever think of apple selling computers with Linux...

      and we'll finally have a decent word processor and spreadsheet
      Oh sorry, we already do.
  • Good job, Dell (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TheModelEskimo (968202) on Wednesday August 08, 2007 @12:00AM (#20152531)
    I "voted with my cash" as I've seen others mention, and ordered a Dell Ubuntu laptop. Best computing decision I've ever made, easily. If you are even entertaining the slightest thoughts about getting one, do it.

    The machine made it through its first major presentation to clients today (not presenting the laptop, but presenting materials to the client) without a hitch. I've installed Kubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Enlightenment, and Fluxbox on it so far. I was really, *really* tempted to run Enlightenment during the presentation today, just because of the slick animations and minimal GUI.

    I'm not the most talented Ubuntu apologist, but I think that most of us who should be using it, know who we are.

    BTW, my non-techie wife uses this machine every day without problems.
  • Not yet your can't (Score:5, Informative)

    by Spad (470073) <slashdot@noSpam.spad.co.uk> on Wednesday August 08, 2007 @01:06AM (#20152905) Homepage
    Hidden in the press release and not obvious on the main UK site is a text link to www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu [dell.co.uk]

    Following this link takes you to the "Dell with Ubuntu" homepage, but clicking on "Choose Desktop" or "Choose Notebook" results in a 404.

    Excellent work there Dell.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by lobStar (1103461)
      The corresponding German [dell.de] and French [dell.fr] sites exist too, with the same 404 errors.
    • by Britz (170620) on Wednesday August 08, 2007 @04:15AM (#20153781) Homepage
      As well as www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu www.dell.de/ubuntu also presents an Ubuntu page in German with the same results if you click on the links.

      The only option for the Inspiron 6400 in Germany remains Windows Vista for now (going through the normal www.dell.de pages). They don't even have XP any more. I wouldn't touch Vista with a ten foot pole before the first service pack comes out.

      Are there notebooks with Ubuntu that have a modem built in? A modem can be your only option on the road sometimes. And I even got my brothers Thinkpad A20 modem to work with Debian.
      • by bfields (66644)

        Are there notebooks with Ubuntu that have a modem built in?

        The Dell 1420n that I'm posting from has a modem that is "supported" by the preinstalled Ubuntu OS. With "supported" in quotes only because the supported depends on a proprietary bits. (And I haven't heard anything to indicate that's likely to change soon.) But it should work. I haven't tried to use it, though.

  • by l3v1 (787564)
    availability of Ubuntu in Europe [...] consumers in the United Kingdom, France and Germany

    Well, geography was not my favourite subject, still, I got fed up with similar moves. Reminds me of iTunes, like how it's available in Europe... right. People complain about globalization, hell, I'd really prefer it, if it would mean services would be global - or at least be available in Europe if they say it's available in Europe. Made me angry about on the same level when I happened to find some good stuff in an on
  • "Dell announced that consumers in the United Kingdom, France and Germany can order an Inspiron 6400 notebook or an Inspiron 530N desktop with Ubuntu 7.04 pre-installed..."

    Not as of today, they can't. I live in the UK, and I just went to dell.co.uk and started to customize an order for an Inspiron 6400. Guess what? The operating system options are Windows, Windows, or some other flavour of Windows. "Any OS you like, just as long as it's Windows".

    Looks like the Dell marketroid who issued the statement was usi
  • Dell are acting like amateurs. At Dell France website there is no way to find any machine with Ubuntu, I tried the search, "/ubuntu", manually checked almost all their offer, there is no Ubuntu on the page. At best the client is redirected to Dell USA with the USA offerings of PCs with Ubuntu.

    I have a friend of mine who runs his business with only email and phone, he have 4 employees that do the same thing. All the PCs at his office are used for email, browsing the web and some document editing sometimes
  • by wandm (969392)
    From Dell Ubuntu Page:

    "The main thing to note is that when you choose open source you don't get a Windows® operating system."

    Aaahh, so that's what this Ubuntu thing is all about..
    • by Coopjust (872796)
      Well...yeah. The buyer doesn't have to pay for the cost of a Windows License, which to many enthusiasts or people that don't plan to keep Windows on the computers, means avoiding a "Windows Tax" that they have had to pay on laptops for years. Additionally, even if you don't use Ubuntu, you've bought Linux compatible HW.

      Of course, that warning is also an ass covering; somebody who bought a Linux laptop might think (somehow) it includes both Linux AND Windows, and that is a pretty clear clarifying statemen
  • I've seen the reports as of late, and I can't help but wonder if this is the very beginning of the end of M$'s reign. This is how it starts, how history repeats. One by one the OEM's open up, let Linux in, and soon every OEM offers it. People buy it, thinking it might be a breath of fresh air from Microsoft. "I've heard about this Linux thing, I wonder what its like?..." And word of mouth is a powerful thing. The strongest, greatest advertising campaign can be brought down by a few simple words... "That pro

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