Transgaming releases "WineX" 4.0 "Cedega" 475
visy writes "Transgaming has opened a new site at today and are announcing WineX 4.0, now dubbed Cedega after a unique variety of grape. Transgaming claims Cedega allows "Windows ® games to seamlessly and transparently run under Linux, out-of-the-box, with outstanding performance and equivalent game-play". Will we see a new era of game compatibilty?"
City of Heroes? (Score:2, Interesting)
Some friends have been trying to get me to get a PC for this game, and I'd rather run Linux on it as opposed to Windows.
Just buy Windows you cheap asses ! (Score:0, Interesting)
Too bad (Score:4, Interesting)
Will Transgaming ever learn to work with the open source community instead of mearly tolerating its existance as an annoying necessity to business?
Shared Wineserver (Score:3, Interesting)
A couple of questions... (Score:4, Interesting)
However, I'm also looking at Crossover Office (or the SuSe "Wine Rack") for office compatability. Can I install both this and Transgaming's software or will they stomp on each other?
Thanks,
Is it ok? (Score:5, Interesting)
All I really want to do is to play Steam and all of the mods and stuff that go along with it, in linux. If I can do it for a really low one time fee and never pay again, then I think this is a good deal.
Nice Work, But.... (Score:1, Interesting)
Seriously, if Transgaming can make money with WineX, then more power to them. They may only be serving a small niche, but if Apple has taught us anything, it's that niches can be profitable if you're smart. Go Transgaming!
Re:Just buy Windows you cheap asses ! (Score:4, Interesting)
Even if TransGaming is not software libre, those who would use it have already made the choice to give up some of their freedom of use in exchange for enjoyment--very few games that would require WineX are themselves libre. However, one may wish to support the developer of a game without supporting an evil organization that they are associated with.
An analogous situation might be, for example, going to a live performance of a band rather than buying their CD in a store, as, presumably, the live performance gives a minimal amount, if anything, to the RIAA, while giving plenty to the band.
Re:Too bad (Score:3, Interesting)
Transgaming has chosen a business-model that requires them to keep their source closed. I'm not sure they have a viable alternative for running a for-profit business.
So, I think the answer is absolutely no, they will never work with the open source community. They will continue to sell useful software to those willing to buy it.
Personally, I see Transgaming as a necessary evil, for a lot of people. They are helping many ditch Windows completely, while enabling them to still enjoy their #1 hobby.
But I still don't particularly like them :-/
Not necessarily... (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, a KDE-Based Linux box with the ability to run thier Windows games as well would be an ideal solution for me.
Re:What I don't get is... (Score:2, Interesting)
Basically what you're saying is that if I want to run linux AND play games, I should spend more money on more computers and more consoles so that I can have 500 different pieces of hardware to do all the things I want to do. If my computer can do linux and games and I don't have to buy anything else, thats more economical and more money for beer later.
Re:How well does this work? (Score:4, Interesting)
Personally, I love it, and I don't regret paying for it [1]. When I want to play a supported game I don't have to boot back to Windows, and that's definately a good thing. I do wish they'd spend a bit more time making the older stuff run though. I vote for it every time I can, but the bulk of the votes always wind up going to the latest FPS candy...
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[1] Put that in your pipe and smoke it, all you "Linux users won't pay for anything" dips.
Re:Just buy Windows you cheap asses ! (Score:1, Interesting)
Quickshot
Re:Just buy Windows you cheap asses ! (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Too bad (Score:5, Interesting)
Brad
[1] Side note to the snarky BSD poster: which is basically the same as the 3-clause BSD license. So much for the inate superiority of the BSD license, huh? Not that I don't like the BSD license, but claiming that its a panacea is just so much nonesense. I think the world needs both licenses, personally.
Re:Too bad (Score:5, Interesting)
New Win ZPI for Longhorn (Score:4, Interesting)
In 05/06 Window$ will release a new OS with a brand nre API - Avalon - based on a completely new file system/table... WinFS (or whatever its called)
I've no doubt they will make this the most convoluted file system ever seen with no chance of proper reverse engineering or even emulating.
So, shouldnt we be pushing for new and smarer ways to develop more sophisticated OpenGL render engines faster and better so Linux can compete eith Window$ in gaming rather than living off M$ scraps?
Re:Support Codeweavers (Score:5, Interesting)
wget http://source.winehq.org/source/ChangeLog
I count 14826 changelog entries
$ grep @ ChangeLog | wc -l
14826
226 of which are from a transgaming employee
$ grep -i @transgaming.com ChangeLog | wc -l
226
And 1701 for codeweavers
$ grep -i @codeweavers.com ChangeLog | wc -l
1701
So Transgaming gave back a little after all. But not that much. I browsed the top transgaming changelog entries and they concerned relatively minor stuff, like fixes for alsa audio support.
Sorry but I'm still convinced that Transgaming has been a bad wine citizen (the fact that the licence permitted it doesn't change my opinion), and that they were deceiving the community when they said they'd give back everything to wine after they reach a certain number of subscribers. I guess they have reached that number since they have not yet filed for bankruptcy.
Re:New Win ZPI for Longhorn (Score:4, Interesting)
I think the point of this is to shut people up about, "The only reason I haven't switched is because I play games." After that, with more people on Linux, a Linux native version of a new game gets released, and it gains more support. Finally, more and more publishers look at making Linux versions.
Hopefully, this will be set in to action before Longhorn is released (you know, right after Duke Nukem Forever).
One more thing, I believe most games don't use too much anymore of the Windows API than the winmain() function (to run the app in windows). The rest is engine code or DirectX/OpenGL. So I doubt it will be that much of a problem when the day comes.
I'm pretty sure it's still spelled "Windows" and "Microsoft." [penny-arcade.com] If they did change the name to "Window$," I'm pretty sure there'd be a Slashdot story on it.
Re:Hey Schmucktard (Score:3, Interesting)
Until you stop bitching and contribute or run your own open-source business, shut up.
yes, native alsa support is not a big deal, since a) most people still use OSS, and b) Alsa OSS emulation works perfectly fine
Re:Yes, it does (Score:1, Interesting)
You and me both.
I subscribed for almost 18 months myself and begged and pleaded for any information concerning the Campaign Series of games.
I came to the conclusion after those many months of hacking and praying that Wine was really a losing proposition espcially in regards to Windows games, not simply because of the technical aspects but for the very paradigm Windows game manufactueres operate under.
For years and years the only way anyone could play any DOS game was in single person mode, and while that improved somewhat with the advent of email and with the even more recent advent of online play, most of those extensions, to call them what they are, are based on a the DirectPlay product made by Microsoft.
In my experience, no element of Wine has ever dealt properly with DirectPlay and while it would seem that dealing with DirectPlay, making it better for actual use, it is still a terrible implementation for multiplayer use. MS can't seem to get it right, so it is impossible to ask Wine to do it either.
Now, I am not crapping on MS's product. It is the best they could do, but they have zero incentive to improve this most awful element of their product line given that they are the Big Kahuna in OS software and they are spending huge sums of money and effort trying to bump Linux off server/desktop sales.
That is why I came to the conclusion that the only way anyone could possibly hope to play a decent game in Linux is to write a decent game in Linux; one that is multiplayer as well as able to serve as many players as the OS/platform can handle. It doesn't seem to be a lot to ask, except there is a lot of effort, espeically on my part to learn the programming in graphics, and in Unix sockets programming to create a decent military game in Linux.
Transgaming broke my heart, but it really isn't their fault. Wine can never be up to the task it has set for itself, but that is okay.
Neither can Microsoft.
Re:Too bad (Score:3, Interesting)
"the fact that corporations can trounce your liberties as much as the government can."
1) Corporations don't back up their threats with guns, as the government does. They can attempt to stomp on your 'rights' on the scale that the government can, but they are not able to force you to do anything.
"Government concentrations of power were pretty closely monitored (until 9/11"
2) Not really. Look back to McCarthy, et. al. and the big name court cases. It takes longer than just a few years for the courts to come into play. I would also add to this that you are focused on only a portion of government -> individual regulation, however there is much more that is often monitored much less than the example you gave.
3) You are absolutely right about corporations being a threat to capitalism. Competition is perfect in theory, but corporations exploit the apathy of the consumer to get around this theory. Competition comes from insistance on quality. And the majority of consumers aren't in the fighting mindset yet. Until the majority care about quality, we'll have to deal with this. I think it's a mistake for the loud minority to run consumer protection through the government -- most of it ends up blunt and poorly worded and costs more to enforce. But, I digress....
Cheers
LGPL vs binary modules (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Just buy Windows you cheap asses ! (Score:2, Interesting)
1) I pay my own electric bill
2) I don't have the floor space for more than one computer
3) It's hard enough hauling ONE computer back and forth from school
4) I already have lots of RAM, a good CPU, and a fast video card in my Linux desktop machine. I'm not going to pump more money into a second computer with lots of RAM, a good CPU, and a good video card when I already have one. Likewise, I'm not going to run my Linux desktop apps on a slower second computer because I've already got all the apps I like on a computer that runs them fast and efficiently. Besides, I'm not getting a second computer for the other reasons above.
So, as it is I do a lot of rebooting so I can play the games that don't run in WineX. However, I'd like to keep that rebooting to a minimum so that I don't have to switch back whenever it's time to listen to MP3s, surf the web, check my email, or God forbid get some productive work done. Hence, I spend $5 for a WineX binary which runs at least half of my favorite games almost perfectly, without the need to reboot. And my electric bill is maneagable. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Re:Yes, it does (Score:2, Interesting)
i think that you did the best thing. you canceled your subscription and stated why. i would not be surprised if they keep some kind of stats on that so they know which games need to be supported before losing more customers. ofcourse you can also vote if you are a customer, but i think that voting mechanism is not really fair, for a company money talks.