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Posted by CmdrTaco
from the now-we're-talking dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Linux Devices reports that Linux now runs on an Apple iPod. Further information about the project can be found on the Linux on iPod Website." Still lacks features like power management and firewire support, but it's still a cool project. CT Ok it's a dupe. But it's still neat!
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Linux on the iPod

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  • Posted already here [slashdot.org] *tuts*
    • Hey, Taco is a busy guy. He doesn't have time to actually read /.

      After all, he has his own mame cab, and all those SG-1 episodes he Tivo'd last night and the new pr0n DVD's came in and...

    • congratulations to "An anonymous reader", today's dupe story winner. This dedicated anon was able to get a duplicate of the story while the original was on the front page. excellent work. next time, try to submit the story as a registered user so that you can take credit for the dupe.

      today's dupe loser is CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net]. i don't blame ya, taco. if my company was acquired for what is now probably 3 dollars' worth of stock options, i wouldn't give a fuck either.

      want MORE dupes on slashdot? [slashdot.org]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:20PM (#5223252)
    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Linux on the iPod community when last month IDC confirmed that Linux on the iPod accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Linux on the iPod has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Linux on the iPod is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [sysadminmag.com] [sysadminmag.com] in th recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] [amdest.com] to predict Linux on the iPod's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Linux on the iPod faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Linux on the iPod because Linux on the iPod is dying. Things are looking very bad for Linux on the iPod. As many of us are already aware, Linux on the iPod continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    Linux on the iPod leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of Linux on the iPod. How many users of Linux on the iPod are there? Let's see. The number of Linux on the iPod versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Linux on the iPod users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Linux on the iPod posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put Linux on the iPod at about 80 percent of the Linux on the iPod market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Linux on the iPod users. This is consistent with the number of Linux on the iPod Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, Linux on the iPod went out of business and was taken over by Linux on the iPod who sell another troubled OS. Now Linux on the iPod is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that Linux on the iPod has steadily declined in market share. Linux on the iPod is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux on the iPod is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. Linux on the iPod continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Linux on the iPod is dead.

    Linux on the iPod is dying

    Troll 7 of 208 from the annals of the Troll Library [slashdot.org] .

  • Wow, worse than the media. How about a repost of some intresting articles.
  • by cowmix (10566) <mmarch@nospam.gmail.com> on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:21PM (#5223268) Homepage
    The dupe problem is getting much worse, not better..

    The same story HOURS apart.

    Arg!
  • by DrHogie (8093) on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:21PM (#5223273) Homepage Journal
    4 stories down on the front page -- is that a new record?
  • by Anonymous Coward
    ... in order to turn off CmdrDupe's posts.
  • *DOH* (Score:2, Funny)

    by Shdwdrgn (162364)
    You know it's going to be a slow news day when they're duping articles that are still on the front page! Sheesh...
  • ...but I want to stay on topic, so I will add something.

    I like the idea of this, but I am not sure how useful a machine like this is. The viewport is very small [but you can remote X11 in the future, I imagine], you'd have to make your own keyboard/mouse work with the remote, etc.

    That being said, using the iPod as a wearable could be interesting
    • It depends what you want to run; you could run a useful MP3/OGG player under linux with the buttons doing the appropriate job (volume, forward, back etc) without a keyboard.

      This isn't an attempt to run a normal linux session on some other hardware, so much as getting an open OS onto the iPod to support things like OGG.

    • THAT'S IT! (Score:3, Funny)

      by EnglishTim (9662)
      That's it! CmdrTaco is viewing Slashdot on the screen of an iPod running Linux, which is why he never noticed that the story he's about to post was posted a couple of hours ago - the screen is too small to see them!
    • Duuude...staying on topic for even a single reply is just gonna encourage them to post even more dupes - "well, they still discuss the articles, it can't be that bad.." If we make every dupe story nothing more than an endless string of "DUPE" posts and trolls, with not a single tiny shred of redeeming conversation (i.e. nothing more than a total waste of /.'s disk space and bandwidth), *maybe* the ed's will actually take the time to read the last 3 days's stories, all right there on the front page, before they post a dupe.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:23PM (#5223298)
    Y reports that Linux now runs on x. Further information about the project can be found on the Linux on x website. Still lacks features like a, b, and c, but it's still a cool project.
  • of the sixth post on this very page?
  • If there isn't interesting news, talk about something thats not interesting. After a half hour, repeat.
  • Dupe! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by EnglishTim (9662) on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:24PM (#5223302)
    Man, I'm glad I haven't paid for a subscription...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:24PM (#5223304)
    I hear they've got Linux running on the iPod. I think there's an article on Slashdot...
  • Cloned (Score:1, Flamebait)

    by red_dragon (1761)

    Should we call it Linux on the cloned iPod [slashdot.org] instead?

    You guys are starting to f'ing suck (instead of just plainly suck). Get a grip!

  • Pss... I'll let you in on a little secret... It's called caffeine. Brew some coffee, read some slashdot, repeat until you are well awake/alert. THEN write your next article.. >=)
  • ...I can run 2 copies [slashdot.org] at the same time? :)
  • I don't know what the administrator's page looks like, but maybe there should be the following blurb listed every time the mods add a story:

    Important Stuff:

    • Please try to keep stories on topic.
    • Try to reply to posted stories instead of starting new stories.
    • Read other mod's stories before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said.
    • Use a clear subject that describes what your story is about.
    • Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments might be moderated.

    Well, I don't know what we can do about the last one... Maybe we need a "bitchslap" command on the mods?

    • That's way to complicated...

      The only way to stop the dupping is for the admins to READ THE F*CKIN' PAGE!

      Jeez, this isn't fun anymore. I think I'll stick to reading The Register [theregister.co.uk] - they may be tabloid but they seem to have all the relevant "news for nerds, stuff that matters" articles and don't dup every other article!
    • Funny :). What'd you suggest next, -1 Dumbass for duped stories?

      More seriously, here are some of my ideas on how to cope with the dupes:

      • The Submit page should search for other posts in the submissions bin with identical/similar links as the one being posted, and ask the submitter whether it should continue posting or give up. The same should be applied to the backend, prompting the reviewer as to whether it should post the story in the presence of similar previous stories.
      • Similarly, when reviewing a submission, the admin backend should list other submissions with similar links along with the submission currently under review, and allow the reviewer to reject any number of those with a single action.
      • Well, that little blurb is put there to magically make all posts on topic and relevant, so it should work the same for mods.

        Kinda like Homer Simpson putting the "Caution" sign next to the trampolene.
    • Maybe implement a system similar to BugZilla, and then use it? Not that it works too well for them...
  • Speaking as businessman, if you look at the number of developes as a finite resource (given) and the number of man hours per day as finite (given) why wouldn't the Linux community work to develop goals that will enable it as a whole to progress (replacement for Exchange server or Office Sute) instead of these trying to make Linux run on any divice with a chip projects.??? This will be no good for linux in long run.

    I hate to beat a dead horse but the lack of community leadership and fragmented community seems to be driving peoples to FreeBSD. My FreeBSD projects are already up 25% this year, all those taking away from Linux.

    • Sounds like a troll, but I'll bite.


      It's Open Source. People work on what they want, not what some business wants, or what their manager wants them to work on (for the most part). Not everyone who writes OSS cares about bringing Linux to the masses... maybe they'd just be happy enough to bring it to their iPod.


      If you want to move the Linux community towards your vision of progress, you can donate to projects, work on them, or even hire people to do so. Not everyone has to share your vision... but the beauty of it is that you can have your own.

    • Achmed said:
      why wouldn't the Linux community work to develop goals that will enable it as a whole to progress (replacement for Exchange server or Office Sute) instead of these trying to make Linux run on any divice with a chip projects.?
      In this situation, I think getting linux to "run on any device with a chip" is worth it. Why?

      iPod + Ogg Vorbis = Kick Ass!!

      If Apple won't do it, then let the OSS community hack at it. Either way, we get what we want from this. See the quote in my .sig and see who's eating the core right now. Part of the greatness of open source is the freedom to do what you want with it, whether it benefits the whole community, benefits only yourself, or is purely done for the geek factor. That is the freedom (as in speech) if this software. This may not be good for Linux as a whole in the long run, but it sure is good for those of us who want to use other music formats on our iPods and not have to be subjected to Apple's whim.

      Cheers. :)

  • by llamaluvr (575102) on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:27PM (#5223332) Journal
    Well, I can't tell, since the site is slashdotted, but does this mean that there's already 2 Linux distros avialible for the Ipod?
  • http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf [slashdot.org]

    Now Don't post things which are still in there, At LEAST.
  • Need some karma...
    For those of you too lazy to scroll down the main page of slashdot and read the original post...
    (*cough* CmdrTaco *cough*) :)

    See screen shots here [sourceforge.net] here [sourceforge.net] and here [sourceforge.net].
  • For a bunch of really interesting/informative/insightful/funny comments about Linux on an iPod - check out this link [slashdot.org] :o)
  • by dasmegabyte (267018) <das@OHNOWHATSTHISdasmegabyte.org> on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:31PM (#5223375) Homepage Journal
    include support for playing mp3s, using the controls or accessing the screen. But it _does_ run linux.

    In other news, Craftsman is making a new line of hammers made entirely out of wood. No support has been announced for iron or steel heads, either clawed or ball-peen. You can't hammer with them, but they ARE made out of wood.

    This was stupid the first time they posted it, too :).
    • That's simply not true. If you had bothered to look at their documentation, you would have noticed it lists these user tools:

      ==========
      Busybox offers an all-in-one solution to providing many basic binaries such as a shell, file manipulation etc.

      MAD is a MP3 player that does not require a FPU.

      Tremor is an OGG player that does not require a FPU.

      SoX is an audio processing application capable of playing a variety of music formats (.WAV is probably the most interesting here).

      uClibc is a C library for developing embedded Linux systems. Normally this is built as part of the toolchain (and is included with the binaries from uClinux.org).

      Intel's IPP package and IPP MP3 Sample program. Intel's IPP is a highly optimised set of libraries that includes MP3 processing. The sample program seems to work fine under uClinux.
      ==========

      Additionally, it states in the FAQ that mp3s play at 99% realtime, and oggs at 80%. Doesn't support accessing the screen-- what do you think the screen shots of are? The parent is not only not interesting, but it's totally wrong.

      Some moron posts something absurd, so it has to be modded up, eh? This is one of the many reasons /. is beginning to suck.

      • Kind of stupid to use a software mp3 player when somewhere there is a chip that plays an mp3 directly. Must get a horrible battery life with MAD. Still, there are interesting uses for 10G drive and firewire port.

        iRIP - connect directly to a firewire CD drive and siphon off the tracks

        iBurn - well

        iSwap - connect to another iPOD and synchronize music collections.
    • missing brains. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Erris (531066) on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @01:02PM (#5223741) Homepage Journal
      include support for playing mp3s, using the controls or accessing the screen. But it _does_ run linux...This was stupid the first time they posted it, too :).

      A man can smile and smile and yet still be a villian. Should we not attribute malice where incompetence will do?

      Can we compare free software to propriatory software elswhere to imagine where this will go?

      Propriatory software:

      • choice of one desktop
      • choice of two file systems
      • hardware becomes useless when drivers are no longer "supported"
      • unilateral EULA which incluce revocation on demand

      Free software

      • several video subsystems and dozens of window managers
      • more than 80 file systems
      • hardware lives forever once a driver is made
      • free is yours to do as you please.

      So what you have is a 10 gigabyte system that you can walk around with running free software. While MP3 is a propriatory format, OGG will work just fine with 10 gigs. What kind of interface does it have? Fire wire? USB? I can imagine all sorts of cool things you can do with that, such as rig any piece of hardware you want to it. The thing that is staring you in the face is that linux was ported to the device in the first place.

      Craftsman is making a new line of hammers made entirely out of wood.

      You are not looking at a wooden hammer in the iron age, you are looking at a V2 in the age of black powder and cannons. While you are busy thinking about busting down walls with projectiles, others are figuring out how to get to Mars.

      • you are looking at a V2 in the age of black powder and cannons. While you are busy thinking about busting down walls with projectiles, others are figuring out how to get to Mars.

        No they're not. They're figuring out how to kill the people on the other side of the wall you're cannon-ing down.
  • by grub (11606)

    Be nice you guys. Yes it's a dupe, but at least they were from different editors. I'm still waiting for that to happen.
  • Even tho the stories a dupe, i wont bother posting dupes of comments, so heres [slashdot.org] some i produced earlier.
  • by dr_dank (472072) on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:33PM (#5223401) Homepage Journal
    CmdrTaco is in the running for the role of Jimmy Two-Times for the remake of Goodfellas.

    Film at 11

    and again at 12.
  • I just read a story related to this on slashdot, that there's Linux on the iPod. I'm off to go post a story on slashdot about the story I just read on slashdot.
  • Maybe taco's trying to hook all the dupes into some unholy cluster of news stories, all the 'this is a dupe' posts linking back to the other, in an evil bid to control the patent on 'Duplicate Posting'. or he's been replaced by the Google News bots.
  • How about:

    from the now-we're-talking again [slashdot.org] dept.

  • I like that Linux is beeing used on more and more hardware. I even have a TV-encoder which runs Linux 2.2, it acually has a sticker on the side that said that. It is used by Norways largest ISP, so its good to see that Linux is getting a bit more commercialized.
  • Instead of posting on the same story twice, how about posting about the updated iMacs and eMac price cuts [apple.com]? eMac now starts at $999, and iMac tops out at 1GHz with Airport Extreme and Built-in Bluetooth.
  • Quick everyone - look at the front page. Yeah, I didn't believe it at first either, but it's right there four stories earlier!

    Was I the first to catch it? The world needs to know!

    How can they keep insulting us with this irresponsible journalism day after day is beyond me.

  • OK, which will happen first - back-to-back duplicate stories, or a story posted twice by the same editor.

    Place your bets...

  • See this story. [slashdot.org] (literally)

    (I hope this gets modded up, and people just keep clicking on it)

  • A dupe within 5 hours?

    And when brought to his attention what does he do? Remove the dupe? Fold the two together? Apologize for being the biggest offender of krunk on /. in recent months?

    Oh... CT Ok it's a dupe. But it's still neat!

    You're right!! It's neat! Please, dupe it more. Let's post this story once every 4 hours! Because it's neat! Hey...how about you dupe all neat stories!

    Somebody's ego has blinded his brain.
    • BTW, I maintain that any reply to a story that is a dupe should never be considered off-topic. Maybe not even redundant.

      Think about it...you won't see people actually reply with pertinent information to a dupe. A dupe is useless, so are it's replies. It's just a bandwidth-sucking no-op that serves as nothing other than an example of /.'s decline.
  • When he went to filter out Katz stories he must have set it so that he's filtering everyone but his own.

    • Ahhh don't be too hard on him. I'm sure that if anyone can, he'll figure out how to dupe his own.

      Just wait a couple hours and check back.
    • don't think so (Score:1, Offtopic)

      by b17bmbr (608864)
      George W. Bush: Too stupid to know any better.

      he's a helluva lot smarter than you think. and most likely you too. just because he doesn't buy into that psuedo-scientific crap about global warming, just because he knows the UN is a farce (libya chairs human rights comm., syria chairs security, iran/q co chair disarmament, puh-f***ing-lease), just because we should proceed with a missle defense shield because countries like n. korea might just push a button or two, because he thinks that life (as easily verified by two ultrasounds on my two children can prove) begins in the womb,and that abortion is murder, and just because he thinks that hard working people should keep their income and not have it stolen by the government, and redistributed to lazy mf'ers, doesn't make him stupid.

      disagree with him. fine. attack him, you look like an idiot. and besides, clinton was as smart a POTUS as we've had, and what a piece of shit. no, sadly the left has nothing left but ad hominem attacks. posting anon because it is off topic. ah screw that, i have plenty of karma.
  • Yes, deja vu [slashdot.org].

    Or the form os slashdot spam?

  • All the Slashdot editors/writers/bots (whatever they are) have to do is:

    1)Read submissions of stories. A simple keyword comparison could mark likely duplicate stories before they even get delivered to an editor.
    2)Put stories on the front page. Again, a simple keyword check on clicking submit would prevent duplicate stories.

    AAARRRGGGGH. Combined with the increasing delay between something happening and it appearing on Slashdot and decreasing quality of stories, why do I keep coming back here? For the comments I suppose.
  • <obligatory stupid joke>

    "Wouldn't it be cool if you could run a cluster of these?"

    </obligatory stupid joke>
  • by jea6 (117959) on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:54PM (#5223646)
    Here's my suggestion, once an editor notes a duplicate story, change its category to "dupe" then allow users to filter out "dupes" from their pages (haven't seen a JonKatz rant in years...). Or would this get rid of too many ad-views?
  • the amount of Dups is getting ridiculous
  • Rob "Right Hand" Malda reports that the Linux operating system has been successfully ported to the Apple iPod MP3 music player. For more details, visit sourceforge.net, your place for the latest in open source software.

    In other news: Chris "Left Hand" Nandor reports that the uClinux group has successfully installed the free operating system, Linux, on Apple Computer's iPod music player.

    This message was brought to you by /. "All the news that's fit to replay."
  • You know, a recent story about who really discovered the telegraph could use this story as compelling evidence. Most stories get rejected by slashdot. On the other hand, some stories' time has come. They burst to the surface and are so new/hip/relevant that multiple editors deem the story noteworthy/newsworthy and slap the 'publish' button. This mirrors how reality works: so many inventions, patents, movies, etc. see similar near-simultaneous 'discoveries.'

    Couldn't a bayesian filter be rigged that would give slashdot's "editors" a tool for avoiding dupes like this?

    Hmm... Tools for tools, thus avoiding dupes from dupes. What next, new news?! Unthinkable, Absurd.

  • by ceranta (86805)
    wholly sh*t. this site is (has become) such a joke.
  • so? (Score:4, Funny)

    by sporty (27564) on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @12:58PM (#5223685) Homepage
    CT Ok it's a dupe. But it's still neat!


    Yes, it's neat, but it's still a dupe!
  • From the FAQ:
    3.3 Is there a OGG player
    The Tremor player is running at about 80% real-time. Apparently an update is on the way so hopefully that will provide some speed-up.

  • I've read on other message boards that the Ipod batteries can't be replaced. Does it mean that the ipod is in fact disposable? Has slashdot ever covered this?
  • Wooo! (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonvmous Coward (589068) on Tuesday February 04, 2003 @01:10PM (#5223797)
    Alright!! Linux is running on an iPod! This means we can... uh...
  • ...for that webmaster!

    /.'d twice in one day...

  • ... I think the author of Foxtrot reads Slashdot.

    Check out today's (02-04-03) cartoon.

    http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2003/ft030204. gif [ucomics.com]
  • Is it possible for apple to bring some sort of DMCA related charges to this project? Not that I think this would happen, but is it possible since they mention that the iPod's architecture is closed sourced?
  • WTF good is Linux on the iPod without 1394 support?

    That's like Windows not having Ethernet support.

    Hello?! *sigh*
    • by jcr (53032)
      WTF good is Linux on the iPod without 1394 support?

      Good question. Of course, one could also ask what good *anything* is on the iPod without Firewire support.

      If they had IP over Firewire running on this linux port, then it might get interesting. It would be amusing to log into my iPod from my Mac.

      -jcr
  • I wonder what sort of effect duplicate articles have on the Slashdot Effect? I'm looking forward to that essay.

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