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Mandrake 9.0 (Dolphin) Is Available [updated] 419

Posted by timothy from the swim-with-the-fishes dept.
joestar writes "What else to say? I've tested the RCs and they were great... There are two very interesting links: the Press Release, and a very nice presentation. From the presentation: 'Affirming its leading position in the Linux desktop arena, Mandrake Linux 9.0 introduces many newly redesigned graphical desktops and configuration utilities. The famous "Mandrake touch" is evident throughout the many clean, attractive and friendly desktops to make everyday tasks easier for all users of a Mandrake system.' And apparently it's already LSB-1.2 certified!" Update: 09/25 23:57 GMT by T : Apropos new releases, an anonymous reader writes "Parts of Red Hat's next OS have been unofficially leaked, as news.com reports here. The official release date is scheduled for next Monday, 9/30/02." Update: 09/26 00:29 GMT by T : Gaël Duval points to less-swamped links to the press release and to the Presentation & Features page. Thanks, Gaël.
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  • i hear the red hat desktop is going to kick ass... i'll wait.
  • not to troll, but is it?

    Mandrake 8.2 (running KDE) is dog slow on my 333p2,128RAM and 16 meg video card. Windows 98 was much faster.
    • Try using something like WindowMaker or Blackbox/Fluxbox. I'd expect KDE to lag like hell, with those specs.

      Not to troll, but KDE is bloat. It's not intended for systems such as yours.
      • kde 3.0.3 runs great under Gentoo on my p266, 64MB RAM laptop. Not to troll, but Mandrake is bloat. KDE works just fine.
        • Also, Mandrake 8.2 ships with KDE 2.2.2, which is much slower than 3.0.3

          IMHO, of course...

        • Re:But is it any faster? (Score:4, Interesting)

          by SCHecklerX ( 229973 ) <greg@gksnetworks.com> on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @07:29PM (#4332182) Homepage
          Mandrake is snappy on my 64MB libretto (P233). The thing is, you just have to customize a bit. Remove all the cruft, and use a lighter window manager (I use windowmaker). I do this no matter what distro I use anyway. That's the whole point of linux...being able to run what you want, only what you want, and how you want to run it. Right?

          Another thing I did was to remove many of the scripts in /etc/profile.d along with disabling medusa from running every time X starts. The scripts in profile.d by default run jobs that index all kinds of stuff that I really don't need indexed.

          The only thing I haven't figured out is what causes modprobe to be called on the first console login/logoff. Not much of an issue, as I never really log off, but put the system into hibernation mode.

          Here's my process list:

          PID TTY TIME CMD
          1 ? 00:00:07 init
          2 ? 00:00:10 keventd
          3 ? 00:00:06 kapmd
          4 ? 00:00:01 ksoftirqd_CPU0
          5 ? 00:01:22 kswapd
          6 ? 00:00:24 bdflush
          7 ? 00:01:08 kupdated
          8 ? 00:00:00 mdrecoveryd
          11 ? 00:00:00 kreiserfsd
          64 ? 00:00:01 devfsd
          516 ? 00:00:11 cardmgr
          739 ? 00:00:05 syslogd
          748 ? 00:00:01 klogd
          798 ? 00:00:00 atd
          873 ? 00:00:05 esd
          973 ? 00:00:00 crond
          998 ? 00:00:47 xfs
          1052 tty1 00:00:00 login
          1053 tty2 00:00:00 mingetty
          1054 tty3 00:00:00 mingetty
          1055 tty4 00:00:00 mingetty
          1058 tty5 00:00:00 mingetty
          1059 tty6 00:00:00 mingetty
          1315 vc/1 00:00:00 bash
          2082 ? 00:00:29 sshd
          15441 ? 00:00:00 xinetd
          25484 vc/1 00:00:00 startx
          25496 vc/1 00:00:00 xinit
          25497 ? 00:21:17 X
          25503 vc/1 00:00:00 sh
          25504 vc/1 00:00:40 wmaker
          25507 vc/1 00:00:02 wmcms
          25508 vc/1 00:00:00 wmCalClock
          25509 vc/1 00:18:20 wmtop
          25510 vc/1 00:00:09 wmifs
          25511 vc/1 00:00:05 wmwave
          25512 vc/1 00:00:01 wmtuxtime
          27676 ? 00:00:00 dhcpcd
          28096 vc/1 00:00:00 run-mozilla.sh
          28101 vc/1 00:04:38 mozilla-bin
          28103 vc/1 00:00:00 mozilla-bin
          28104 vc/1 00:00:00 mozilla-bin
          28105 vc/1 00:00:00 mozilla-bin
          28107 vc/1 00:00:01 mozilla-bin
          28115 vc/1 00:00:00 mozilla-bin
          28162 vc/1 00:00:00 aterm
          28163 pts/0 00:00:00 bash
          28184 pts/0 00:00:00 ps
          • Maybe it uses devfs? devfsd will try to modprobe everything you try to access in /dev. If you're feeling really curious, you could replace modprobe with a wrapper shell script and write the output of pstree to a file from it.
            • Maybe it uses devfs? devfsd will try to modprobe everything you try to access in /dev. If you're feeling really curious, you could replace modprobe with a wrapper shell script and write the output of pstree to a file from it.

              Yeah, Mandrake uses devfs, which is something that more distros should definitely do. It's only been in the kernel for a couple of years.

              As for supermount... well... I won't go there...

        • I _believe_ that is probably because Gentoo ownz. ;) Compiling from source definitly helps speed it up, while the precompiled binaries used in Mandrake don't have that advantage. (I say this because when I use the precompiled binaries for KDE (used, I should say, since this was at least 2 months ago), my system was slow as hell...I compiled from source, and I got an amazing improvement.)
      • KDE may be bloated, but GNOME was also bloated, and for both of them, the default window manages were big, fancy, overdecorated before applying skins, etc., bloatware, or (put more nicely) taking maximum advantage of Moore's law in RAM and CPU speeds to provide a feature-rich environment. But as other posters have said, if you want a lean mean windowmanager, there are plenty of them to go install.

    • Re:But is it any faster? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by joib ( 70841 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @06:45PM (#4331823)
      MDK 9 uses KDE 3, which is supposed to be slightly faster than KDE 2.2.2 which is used in MDK 8.2. Also it uses gcc 3.2, which also is supposed to produce faster code than older gcc versions. So probably it will be faster. Noticably faster? Go figure.. If you want a noticable improvement in speed, change to a lightweight wm instead of heavy desktop environments like kde or gnome.
    • I'm not throwing darts. But when you make a statement like that (a rather bold one, mind you), you should use specifics. If nothing else, someone might have advice.

      If by "slow", you mean file accessing and what-not, I'd be willing to bet that Windows 98 is far slower at file access than any linux distribution, even the crapiest. WinXP, NT or 2000? It's a close call, I'd have to see the data.

      But if by "slow" you mean the FPS on your graphic applications, well then, you have a valid point. If you're fortunate enough to have an NVIDIA based video card, you'll want to jump on over to the NVIDIA website and check either the Linux Display Drivers [nvidia.com] or the IA64 Drivers [nvidia.com], whichever applies.

  • Since I'm running low on CD-Rs, and I wanted to install Mandrake tonight, can anyone tell me what changes there have been between rc3 and the final release?
    • Well here is the distro watch page on the diff between all mandrake (no rc sorry). So if you are thinking of going from 8.x to 9.0 here [planetmirror.com] is the info.
  • That should be Mandrake GNU/Linux 9.
  • It sounds great and I will definately give it a try. I think that by the time I have a real opinion this tread will be history though :)
  • The presentation at:
    http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.0/presentat ion/
    is *very* impressive... They really have the best features for end-users, in particular what they call the "dynamic desktop"...!

  • Perfect timing (Score:2, Redundant)

    by Vicegrip ( 82853 )
    Makes me pleased that I joined their club in support of their distribution. I expect to be wiping my Redhat installation soon, cancelling my rhn subscription and making the jump.

    The new control panel looks awesome; I've been looking forward to being able to try out gcc 3.2 on a distro compiled for it.

    Good job guys.
  • I'm suprised nobody else seems to be annoyed with the version inflation of both red hat and mandrake.

    .0 releases are starting to loose their meaning...mandrake even passed AOL for gods sake!

    Pretty soon, they will have to start using random letters, like "PX" or "EM"

    • Re:Version inflation? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mz001b ( 122709 )
      They break binary compatiblity, because of the new version of gcc (the older Redhat and Mandrake versions used gcc 2.9x). Breaking binary compatiblity is a very good reason to start over with a new major number.

    • Re:Version inflation? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Clue4All ( 580842 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @06:50PM (#4331879) Homepage
      They have NEVER lost their meaning. A .0 release represent a major version jump that breaks compatability. In 8.0 it was glibc 2.2, in 9.0 it's GCC 3.2. These releases are binarily incompatible. Perhaps people should learn what a version jump is supposed to mean before they start spewing from their ass^H^H^Hmouth on Slashdot.
  • I recently bought a new laptop to I had plenty of room to try out Mandrake and Suse. Both seem to be excellent software distributions, with just a few faults. So I subscribed to the mailing lists. I found them to be a total turn-off. I am not certain why, but I just don't get the sense of community that I get from the FreeBSD people. So now I'm back to running just FreeBSD. Maybe I will give Linux another try. Am I the only one who has these feelings?

  • Red Hat, Mandrake (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Bobb Sledd ( 307434 )
    With Bero no longer working on KDE, I suggest that Mandrake may become more in the spotlight, especially if they see an opportunity to make emphasized advancements.

    Red Hat will have to work a bit harder now or slip behind. Either way, both of these two recent events have interesting dynamics that could fuel competition between perhaps all distros.

  • gcc3.2 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Screaming Lunatic ( 526975 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @06:40PM (#4331779) Homepage
    It looks like all the big distros [distrowatch.com] have got gcc3.2 packaged. Which would be one of the big reasons at this point in time to pick up one of the newer distros. I've been burned by gcc2.9x a bunch of times. Personally, I'm waiting for the next version of Gentoo for my next distro (Currently running RedHat7.3). RPM has just become a bother.

    So it comes down to either wait 8 hours for it to compile (portage), or wait 8 hours to figure out the dependencies (rpm), or wait 8 months for someone to package it (deb).

    • Re:gcc3.2 (Score:2, Offtopic)

      by (startx) ( 37027 )
      try slackware-current (aka 9.0 beta). it's got gcc-3.2 standard, and has for a couple months.

    • Re:gcc3.2 (Score:5, Informative)

      by leviramsey ( 248057 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @06:54PM (#4331916) Journal
      So it comes down to either wait 8 hours for it to compile (portage), or wait 8 hours to figure out the dependencies (rpm), or wait 8 months for someone to package it (deb).

      Or:

      Download Mandrake and use urpmi or it's graphical front-end, the redesigned rpmdrake, to automatically figure out dependencies. There's even talk of hacking urpmi to support automatic compilation of source on a per-package basis (so you can compile X but not other packages).

      • Yeah?

        I tried installing RC3, and it wouldn't install a single program, always giving me a library dependancy problem.

        Yeah, gcc was the program I wanted to install, but nothing else (games) worked either.

        I don't understand how I can download what seems like everything in the world on the cd images, and not get a set that works.
  • Aside from general personal preference, can anyone outline the functional differences between the various linux-based systems?
    For me, it seems that on any system, once everything is up and running, then I'm good to go. When it comes to desktops, etc, there seems to be a large area of contention.

    Currently I'm running RedHat. The GUI installation was nice. Driver detection was good. Most things I configure I have no problems with. Trying Debian recently was like jumping in a cold shower. I suppose I'm spoiled with GUI and quick-and-easy tools, but besides these what is the core difference?

    Oh, and in addition, in terminal mode I will currently say that the RedHat VIM (default VI editor) is the nicest editor out of all I've seen from RedHat, Debian, Unix and FreeBSD - as I've tried all of these through terminals into various systems I have access to.

    Can perhaps somebody post a page outlining a list of core/important differences between distros?

    In another note: the presentation page has been slashdotted already, since it's probably running on Mandrake configured by the Mandrake people, perhaps I'll take this as a cue to stick with RedHat...

    Anyone with a GUI is spoiled - phorm

    • Re:Differences (Score:2, Informative)

      by Apostata ( 390629 )
      Check this out. I wrote it for linux.ca (when their site is renovated, it'll hopefully get posted there). It'll give a general overview of the major distros: http://members.rogers.com/m-cahill/so_linux-rev3.h tml

  • More information about Mandrake 9.0 (full PR) (Score:5, Informative)

    by joestar ( 225875 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @06:44PM (#4331812) Homepage
    As their server seems slashdotted, here is the full PR from LWN.NET:

    __________

    Altadena, CA; Paris, France - September 25th, 2002 - MandrakeSoft today
    announced the release of Mandrake Linux 9.0 (Dolphin), a new-generation Linux
    operating system for servers and desktop workstations. Mandrake Linux 9.0
    combines all the power & stability of Linux with many new and unique features
    plus the famous "Mandrake touch" which has a long tradition of excellence and
    leadership on the desktop.

    It includes the latest versions of the premiere Free Software packages,
    including the newest stable releases of Linux Kernel 2.4.19, KDE 3.0.3, GNOME
    2.0.1, OpenOffice 1.0.1, Mozilla 1.1, GCC 3.2, CUPS 1.1 -- over 2000
    packages in all.

    The Mandrake Linux 9.0 Download Edition is immediately available as a free
    download from many Internet locations. Mandrake Linux retail packs (Standard
    9.0: $30 USD/30 EUR, PowerPack 9.0: $69 USD/65 EUR, and ProSuite 9.0: $199 USD
    - 166 EUR) - all including support plans -- are now available for pre-order at
    MandrakeStore http://www.mandrakestore.com. Availability of the retail packs
    is planned for mid/end October.

    The Mandrake Linux 9.0 ProSuite Edition has been Linux Standard Base (LSB 1.2)
    certified on Sept 25th, 2002.

    * A major step toward global IT solutions *

    Mandrake Linux 9.0 is the result of over four years of work to offer the most
    powerful Linux operating system and world-class applications to the public.
    With the growing power of PC hardware and widespread adoption of Internet
    protocols, the distinction between 'server' and 'desktop' has begun to blur.
    Server implementations now generally require a polished graphical desktop,
    while many desktop workstations routinely include professional features such
    as a firewall or a small FTP/webserver.

    Mandrake Linux 9.0 answers all these needs with a unique solution to satisfy
    the widest range of uses. At installation time, the system easily adapts to an
    individual users' needs and expertise without requiring any difficult
    configuration choices or options. As a result, individuals receive the best
    set of desktop features, and corporate users benefit from the most powerful
    server features.

    * What's new and unique in Mandrake Linux 9.0? *

    Mandrake Linux has a long tradition of excellence on the desktop: Four years
    ago we were the first Linux distribution to focus on the "human factor" with
    Linux. Since that time, MandrakeSoft has continually introduced solid
    improvements for desktop users and has become widely imitated. As a result of
    our years of experience and expertise, Mandrake Linux 9.0 offers highly
    polished graphical environments and many newly redesigned graphical desktops
    and configuration utilities with the highest level of features and quality.

    Unique features make unique products: The Mandrake Linux desktops are dynamic.
    This means, for instance, that when a new software package is installed or
    removed, the corresponding icon will appear or disappear instantaneously in
    the application menu. This same "dynamic" feature also applies to hardware
    devices: Plug in a USB scanner or WebCam and a corresponding icon appears
    automatically on the desktop.

    Another unique feature in Mandrake Linux 9.0 is "supermount" which lets users
    access removable media (CD-ROM, floppy, Zip, etc.) instantaneously and
    transparently without using the traditional "mount/umount" commands.

    Additionally, MandrakeSoft is proud to release one of the most advanced Linux
    systems in regards to hardware recognition. Most of the "latest & greatest" PC
    devices and protocols -- such as USB 2.0 -- are recognized and configured
    automatically in Mandrake Linux 9.0. Mandrake 9.0 is the first Linux
    distribution to natively support NTFS partitions and the WebDAV protocol (for
    editing and managing files on remote web servers).

    Last but not least, Mandrake 9.0 takes the important issue of security to a
    new level. In early 2000, MandrakeSoft first introduced the concept of
    "security levels" to the Linux world; in Mandrake Linux 9.0, that concept is
    expanded with the integration of professional Intrusion detection tools and
    utilities, encrypted communication support, encrypted filesystems, secured
    authentication, and more. Even regular desktop users will appreciate the
    ability to send & receive encrypted email with Mozilla, KMail and Evolution.

    * Providing choice *

    Each user is unique, therefore different users prefer different applications
    for the same task. Following a long-standing MandrakeSoft tradition, Mandrake
    Linux 9.0 doesn't impose any applications as so-called "standards", but
    instead provides the widest range of choice for all. "Choice" never means that
    Mandrake 9.0 is a "bloated" Linux distribution since it's extremely easy to
    install and remove software packages with the greatly improved "Software
    Management" utilities.

    Since people have different levels of knowledge and expertise, most
    Mandrake-specific tools & utilities are available with an attractive graphical
    interface for point-and-click ease, yet are also fully functional from the
    command line for power users.

    Since Linux is truly a worldwide phenomenon, Mandrake Linux 9.0 supports
    nearly 60 different languages - from Afrikaans to Welsh!

    Mandrake Linux 8.2 was the first Linux distribution to become certified by the
    Linux Standard Base (LSB 1.2). MandrakeSoft implements LSB compatibility in
    Mandrake Linux 9.0 as an option during the installation. This important
    standard ensures that Mandrake Linux will be compatible with a greater number
    of leading enterprise-class applications such as Database, CRM, Accounting.
    Last minute: the Mandrake Linux 9.0 ProSuite Edition has officially been Linux
    Standard Base (LSB 1.2) certified on Sept 25th, 2002.

    * Comprehensive support & services for all *

    Mandrake Linux 9.0 is an outstanding product on its own, but a complete range
    of associated services makes it an indispensable product for all occasions.
    MandrakeSoft offers a comprehensive range of services:

    - Support for corporate and individual use is provided through
    MandrakeExpert.com and by our team of experts.
    - Software update and security advisories are delivered through MandrakeOnline
    - Hardware and software certification is available on demand in MandrakeSoft
    testing labs.
    - Consulting teams are ready to answer & assist with any Linux deployment.
    - Tailor-made OEM solutions are available for PC manufacturers and system
    integrators.
    - High-quality Linux training is available via a network of Training Centers
    located throughout the globe.

    For additional information please see:

    - Mandrake Linux 9.0 Pre-orders (Standard 9.0, PowerPack 9.0, ProSuite 9.0)
    http://www.mandrakestore.com

    - Mandrake Linux 9.0 full specifications, screenshots and package list
    http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/9.0/presentation/

    - Mandrake Linux 9.0 Packs, description and comparatives
    http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/90/

    - MandrakeSoft service offerings
    http://www.mandrakesoft.com

    Press contact:
    press@mandrakesoft.Com

    About MandrakeSoft

    MandrakeSoft provides a trusted interface between users of information
    technology and Open Source developers. The company offers its enterprise,
    government and educational customers a complete range of GNU/Linux and
    OpenSource software and related services, plus user-friendly and highly
    competitive information technologies. Additionally, MandrakeSoft offers
    technologists committed to Open Source software and courseware a trusted
    channel to offer their services.

    MandrakeSoft has technologists in over 20 countries, and is traded on Paris
    Euronext Marche Libre (Euroclear code: 4477.PA; Reuters code: MAKE.PA) and the
    US OTC market (stock symbol MDKFF). "Born on the Internet" in late 1998,
    MandrakeSoft has established headquarters in the U.S.A., Montreal and France.
    Please visit the website: http://www.mandrakesoft.com for more information.

  • Mandrake and Free Software (Score:3, Informative)

    by leviramsey ( 248057 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @06:44PM (#4331817) Journal

    From the presentation:

    Since Netscape and the last few remaining proprietary applications have been removed, Mandrake Linux 9.0 is a "100% Free Software" product. This means that everyone is granted the right to access the sources, modify and redistribute the software. This also means that Mandrake Linux 9.0 can be deployed on as many machines as desired.

    Woo hoo!

  • Mandrake 9 DVD (Score:5, Insightful)

    by robson ( 60067 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @06:55PM (#4331921)
    I pre-ordered the Mandrake 9 DVD release about a month ago. It looks like it'll ship by the end of October.

    Having run (GNU/)Linux for just about 4 months, I'm still very new to it, and I'm proud to support Mandrake financially for providing a distro that's making my transition easier. If you download Mandrake 9, and end up using it, consider buying the next boxed version. Good developers deserve our support.
    (I'm not affiliated with Mandrake in any way other than as a user.)

  • I switched to (Score:3, Funny)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @07:01PM (#4331965) Homepage Journal
    mandrake 9.0 for moral porpoises...

  • Stop being so Anti-Mandrake (Score:5, Insightful)

    by The Analog Kid ( 565327 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @07:01PM (#4331966)
    Sure, its not for the more Advanced so much as the Newbies, but atleast the Newbies have something that can get them started. We should be promoting switching to Linux not scaring them away with something complicated(not that Linux is complicated but still the command-line scares people). So stop being Anti-Mandrake and be more accepting. *Gets a garbage lid and waits for rotten fruit to be thrown*

    • Re:Stop being so Anti-Mandrake (Score:4, Informative)

      by Mr.Ned ( 79679 ) on Thursday September 26, 2002 @07:41AM (#4334995)
      Just because it's easy to use doesn't mean it's only for newbies.

      I've been running Gentoo for the better part of a year. I switched to gcc-3x fairly early on and have been assaulted with many problems that have only been fixed in the past couple months. My gentoo works, but it's a bit cobbled together.

      I installed 9.0-rc3 the other day for a LUG meeting. I was impressed. Really impressed. Everything worked, and worked well. Little tools like DrakSync just made my life easier going between desktop and laptop. NFS and SMB were no longer minor headaches. Printing actually worked. Fonts are beautiful. I'm keeping it, at least until I get bored with not having anything to fiddle with!

      Am I going to replace the server? No way. Gentoo's definitly a keeper there. But Mandrake has re-convinced me that Linux really can be a desktop.
  • can someone familiar with these distros respond the the following?

    Suse pro has:
    1) neat firewall tool, services, user, nis/yp management tools.
    2) samba and nfs are trivial on it (exports/imports).
    3) Oracle, DB2 (from what I've heard, not seen) are easily installed--some kind of scripting thing makes them easy to install.
    4) Possible to make a local "up2date"-style server so not all the local machines need to log into, or have accounts on, red hat network.
    5) Suse pro appears to cost much less than RH pro.

    If any of this is false, please correct me. I only saw it from a distance, or heard from heresay. How do the distros compare regarding these features?
    • Redhat gives out free ISO's and Suse does not.

      Redhat also has most of those features. Regarding cost, well since Suse doesn't pay for most for the people's work that they are distributing with their distro, I don't feel like paying for Suse's work either.
  • The last I heard that no JDK is available (prepackaged atleast) for GCC 3.x. has that changed?
    (Can't get to mandrake.com, seems slashdotted!)
  • Maybe some of you linux gods around here can help me out..

    I installed Mandrake 9 RC3 last week, and here's what happenned..

    Install Win2k on first partition..

    Install Mandrake on second partition.. No problem, Mandrake works.

    Update Win2k to SP3 - Win2k silently formats the Mandrake partitions fat32.

    Scream in frustration.

    REinstall Mandrake. Works fine.

    Booting into Win2k is painful, Windows basically seizes up whenever you open Explorer, I assume because it's trying to access the extfs3 (?) partitions, and has no idea what they are. It doesn't format em this time, but unfortunately my Win2k setup is useless.

    Relucantly format the Mandrake partitions, problem goes away.

    Now - is this deliberate, or is there some workarounds I am missing?

    Cheers,
    Backov
    • Windows is definately NOT going to format a partition unless you explicitly tell it to do so. However, under 2000's disk manager my extfs3 partition shows up as a empty partition (ie: ready to format/map a drive letter to) instead of an unknown partition. Make sure you don't have any drive letters mapped to the extfs2/3/linux swap partitions.

      My main system is set up very similar to yours (ie: W2K installed first, SP3 update then Mandrake) and I've never had issues with dual-booting via lilo/grub. The only major difference is that I use NTFS for most of my partitions -- except for one that is fat32 so I can transfer files between linux and Windows.
  • Has the problem with booting from/using highpoint raid controller cards been fixed in this release? I was very pleased with 8.2 but stopped using it because I was tired of switching the cables on my hard drives.
  • I figure I'll download it in about two weeks, and that just may be enough for the slashdot effect from completely knocking the living crap out of the mirrors.
  • I wish I could moderate the update to this post as Offtopic.

  • Mirrors! (Score:2, Informative)

    by (v)Jargon(v) ( 316889 )
    Here is a list of the Mandrake Mirrors

    Australia ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/iso/

    Austria ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso / (Vienna)

    Czech Republic ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/ ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Brno)

    France ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/iso/
    (Lyon)
    ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/
    (Nancy)

    United States ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrak e/iso/
    (California)
    ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandrake/mand rake/iso
    (NY)
    ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)

    Last modified: Wed Sep 25 12:52:31 2002
  • Australia
    ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/iso


    Austria
    gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Vienna)


    Czech Republic
    mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/


    ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Brno)


    France
    fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Lyon)
    ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Nancy)


    United States
    ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke/iso/ (California)
    ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandra ke/mandrake/is o (NY)
    mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)


    All mirrors are hammered, of course!
    I was able to get on in Australia, but good luck.

  • When I installed Mandrake 8.2, it didn't detect my GeForce4, so I had to do a bunch of wacky stuff to get it working. Does anyone know if 9.0 can detect 'em? How does it go about installing the nVidia drivers?

    • Buy the distro! (Score:2, Insightful)

      by buchanmilne ( 258619 )
      The commercial distro ships with NVidia drivers.

      There will be drivers on Mandrakeclub soon.

      Otherwise, you must download and rebuild, install, and run XFdrake again.

      There were some rumours that the GF4 was working with the latest XFree86 (4.2.1) packages, but haven't tested myself.

  • List of mirrors (Score:5, Informative)

    by woobieman29 ( 593880 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @08:43PM (#4332771)
    For those that cannot get to the /.'ed Mandrake mirrors page:

    Australia

    ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/iso/ [planetmirror.com]

    Austria

    ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ [tuwien.ac.at] (Vienna)
    Czech Republic

    ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/ [redbox.cz]

    ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ [fi.muni.cz] (Brno)
    France

    ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/iso/ [rpmfind.net] (Lyon)

    ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ [ciril.fr] (Nancy)
    United States

    ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake /iso/ [ucr.edu] (California)

    ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandrake/mandr ake/iso [buffalo.edu] (NY)

    ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ [anl.gov] (Illinois)

  • A Quick Review (Score:4, Informative)

    by InodoroPereyra ( 514794 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @09:04PM (#4332903)
    For what it's worth, here go my fist impressions after more than a day running it (I dowloaded the newsest rc3 ISOs yesterday, I believe they were renamed as "final" later). Here is what I liked the most:

    • Supermount. This is so cool. Get floppys and CDs in and out without need for mounting/umounting. I hope the patch makes it to 2.4.* and 2.6.* . Applying the patch is NOT trivial at this point.
    • RPM manager. I forgot the name, but the graphical interface to urpmi is very sweet. This is a killer (yeah, kind of apt/get I know). For instance, I forgot to install LaTeX. So I go afterwards:
      Control-Center -> Software Management ->Install Software
      Then I search for "tex", I get a list of packages, I can see descriptions of each, I select some, it tells me that I will need some more to satisfy dependeces, I say OK, it tells me what CD to put in, THATS freaking it !. Sweet.
    • Control Center. Very useful, most configuration can be done consistently from there.
    • Menus . Very friendly way of organizing the menus, and consistency across different desktop environments.
    • Installation Easy, simple, good looking, intuitive, very, very nice. Had some problems with the ATI 128 mobility card though, luckily I had an old config file around !

    In short, it is a great distro. It gives you the feeling of a consistent operating system, not just a collection of free software. But nothing is perfect. Mandrake's configuration utilities are very nice for basic, typical stuff, but they'll need some work in future releases to cover more complex situations. That's the main drawback I found. I cannot really use ONLY their tools for everything. But they are getting there.

    Overall, I have the feeling that they are not as mature as RedHat, but they have many other advantages as I said before. I hope they build on 9.0 . It is already a great release, and so far my best Linux experience. If they just keep improving what they have right now (as opposed to adding new tools/functionality), the next release will be far ahead of the rest of the distros, at least to my taste and needs.

    Thank you Mandrake, I am having so much fun :-)

  • APT for RPM. (Score:3, Informative)

    by IpSo_ ( 21711 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @09:15PM (#4332969) Homepage Journal
    apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade

    Thats all I've used since version 7 of Mandrake, it works great!

    http://distro.conectiva.com.br/projetos/42

  • Mandrake NTFS read-write could repair Win XP. (Score:4, Informative)

    by Futurepower(R) ( 558542 ) on Wednesday September 25, 2002 @09:39PM (#4333076) Homepage

    The press release says, "NTFS partitions are now supported (read-only)."

    When they can supply NTFS read-write, Mandrake could be used to repair problems with Windows XP. (Windows XP cannot copy some of its own files, even if the files you are trying to copy are not on the partition from which the system was booted. No, I am not kidding.) See Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going. [hevanet.com] if you don't believe me. The third-party tools for read-write to NTFS are expensive, or have shortcomings.

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