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SuSE and VA Linux Partnership 37

Posted by Hemos from the working-together-for-a-brighter-tomorrow dept.
calibanDNS writes "SuSE has a news article on their web page announcing a new partnership with VA Linux. Apparently SuSE will help develop a software load for VA systems. " Co-development is set to start in December and will mean that SuSE will be an option on VA systems.
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  • Thats the old "freedom of choice" thingy!
  • So what?

    VA Linux now uses SuSE as the "official" distro. So what? Big deal. I'd just reformat it to RH (or a clean SuSE install). Still coming with Linux, not Windows. In general, I don't like most OSes default installation procedure. I want a BLANK formatted hard drive. I know what to do after that. =) After all, I'm OS agnostic (should start a movement...). But, this is why I build my own systems...

    However, I almost hate to think that when I buy a VA Linux system, I'm *paying* for the OS. Wasn't that the whole deal of open-source? Don't want it? Don't pay for it.

    Seems like we are becoming our enemy, not becoming different.

    Later,
    Justin
  • SuSE Linux AG, Europe's leading Linux distributor, [...]

    Since when is SuSE a stock cooperation (AG)? Have I missed their IPO? Last time I checked, SuSE has been a private limited company (GmbH) and it still says so on their homepage. [www.suse.de] (Not that I'd have the money to make some major investment, though ...)

  • given comdex... (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    ...all the distros have to rethink everything they are doing.

    va linux gave me a free copy of the sgi/debian distro, and it is *okay*, but that's it. there are outright errors in the documentation that make it impossible to install unless you already know how to do it. IE, bad dos commands, missing words in sentences. (hint: use the book, not the pamphlet, which has gross errors). VA had great, friendly people at the booth.

    i suspect Corel is going to spank everyone; at least they've rewritten the book on linux distros. Having a in-house pro development staff leveraging the "best of the free" is going to be the linux of the future.

    I tried several basic drag/drop operations in Suse, at their booth, and they didn't work. Corel showed some cool DND within their apps.

    Looks what Corel has:
    1) 4 step "brain dead" installation.
    2) free download or $4.95 CD. (plus shipping)
    3) Corel draw, Quattro Pro, Paradox within months.
    4) Friendly booth staff at comdex.

    No one else had a demo that came close to Corels. Caldera's was...ok. RedHat had little exciting or new. How much is RedHat now, anyway? The "Pro" version is like $149 or something...is this a joke?

    Plus, I think "back offices" world wide will get a big boost from the upcoming Jbuilder, Delphi and C++Builder for Linux from Borland. Supposedly a quick recompile of the win code and you're done.

    oops, this turned into a comdex thing. sorry. i started thinking about how nice the Suse and VA people were, and got carried away. must sleep now.
  • Um, I'm assuming they just preinstall and support it for you and you don't pay for the OS. As for the install, it's just to give variety. Settle down there and be happy you have a choice between redhat (a terrible distro imho) and suse (which I can stand more). Besides, not everyone wan'ts a blank slate.

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  • I wouldn't say they rewrote the book. They just wrote the firstp age. Too bad the advanced chapters are debian, suse and mandrake. It was kinda funny that all the unicies were complicated at first and got simpler, eh?

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  • Yeah, but in some way you still pay for the installation and support, because those things cost VA money and even a cool company like them has to cover its expenses. In theory, a blank slate ought to be cheaper. Maybe not much cheaper, but cheaper.

    --Bogey
  • I almost hate to think that when I buy a VA Linux system, I'm *paying* for the OS. Wasn't that the whole deal of open-source?
    OSS is about free speech, not free beer, remember? I'm sure that VA has options to ship without an OS. But why would you buy at VA if you don't want Linux preinstalled? Isn't that what VA is all about?

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  • VA Linux sells and supports expensive Linux boxes. Probably using Intel chips helps that out. Now they bundle it with SuSE, the more-than-complete distribution, which makes sense for them.

    Of course, if *I* wanted to buy a machine, I'd get it locally (at Intrex, in my case) and if I wanted it from a "vendor", Penguin Computing wouldn't be a bad choice.

    But VA Linux isn't looking for my money, they seem more targeted to selling boxes to businesses who hear that Linux is a good idea, but don't know yet that downloading and installing it yourself is a good idea too. ;)
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    pb Reply rather than vaguely moderate me.
  • Yeah, I know, "Real men don't use preinstalled things", but have you ever thought about how many people want to *get things done* instead of tweaking a system to its limits?
    IMHO SuSE includes everything you'll ever need to get things done, and with YaST you get an easy (and complete, as opposed to linuxconf) way to administer your system. And if you are going to tweak your system, you are free to install/uninstall/upgrade whatever you need or want, both distros *are Linux* you know?
  • I don't understand why VA is limiting itself in this way. They tend to it a lot, with Intel and now it seems to be that way with SuSE. I don't really care what distribution is on there, as long as it's Linux (Or BSD).
    I hope that VA realizes that they could get just as much done without bundling with Intel or SuSE or any other specific vendor.
    *sigh* .. guess I'll continue building my own.
    At least that way I can get an Athlon.
  • Probably just a typo. AFAIK, the IPO has not yet taken place, or has it? If not, when will it be? In the summer, rumors said it would be before the end of this year. However, now it's already past mid November, and if they really planned to do it before December 31st, shouldn't we have heard more specific details by now. Are they postponing it? Or has it already happened, but nobody noticed?
  • ...I've never used SuSE before. But I think that if Debian ever went el-crappo that's the one I'd run as I hear it is very good for software development, though Slackware would be another big choice. I don't have any stock in computer companies... but I may look into it now. I may wait, as well, because the day afer I decided to wait on getting RedHat stock it plummetted. I'm lucky, I guess.


    If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.
  • I love SuSE.

    YAST is a great installer for those
    of us who are not Linux Jedi.

    The e-mail support, though not
    instantaneous, was upbeat and genuinely
    helpful.
  • No one else had a demo that came close to Corels. Caldera's was...ok. RedHat had little exciting or new. How much is RedHat now, anyway? The "Pro" version is like $149 or something...is this a joke?

    That's right. For which, you get 30 days of phone support covering not only installation, but configuration of Red Hat's secure web server (Apache based). As well as all the extra software, yada yada yada.

    Personally, I think that's on the expensive side, so I wouldn't bother: if you need a support contract, it makes more sense to buy it seperately. But, RedHat has a $29.95 version just like everybody else. If you're going to compare their products to everyone else's, at least make it apples-to-apples.

  • Since we always end up discussing distributions of Linux, no matter what the article or post is actually about, why don't we just have our very own, in-house Linux Distro Sux vs. Rox O'Meter. This way we could get all our pet peeves of off our chest, and move on to really important issues like: VA Linux vs. Penguin Computing vs. ASLab vs. making your own from scratch. A SUX-ROX Meter would be just the new feature to rile up the readership !! ;-)

    Plasmax - "I am Darth Vader's Evil Twin"
  • Anyone know when it will be?
  • How does this effect the stuff they do with Debian? It doesn't. VA will continue to support the Debian project.
  • I heard the expected pricing date was 6-Dec
  • Since when is SuSE a stock cooperation (AG)? Have I missed their IPO? Last time I checked, SuSE has been a private limited company (GmbH) and it still says so on their homepage.

    I had wondered for some time what those abbreviations mean, so I played with Babelfish [altavista.com] a bit and got these results:

    • AG: Aktiengesellschaft, or corporation
    • GmbH: Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung, or limited liability company

    You learn something new every day. I lived in Germany for two years, and never figured those out while I was there. :-)

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