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CPU Review evaluates Redhat 6.0 78

Posted by CowboyNeal from the kick-the-tires dept.
fusion94 writes "CPU Review evaluates Redhat 6.0 and gives it an overall grade of "A". The full article can be found at CPU Review. " Check it out, if you like that sort of thing.
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  • Re:Partitions (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I thought you were supposed to make a nice-sized
    "/boot" partition (maybe 10-30MB) at the front of the disk, then maybe a max of 96M swap (if you're that deep into swap, then fer crying out loud, spend some money on mo' RAM )and then allocate the rest of the monster-size drive to "/" then you've got your little bootup partition for many iterations of vmlinuz and other keep-lilo-happy stuff and then the rest of the big honkin' disk for the rest of your system so you don't have to bother yourself with such trivia as managing a bunch of separate partitions for /, /usr, /var, /home, and whatever.

    :-)
    --Lorky.

  • My RH6 Gotch's (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward




    I wanted to see what gnome and wordperfect 8 were
    like so I wiped out slackware on my personal (vs kids)machine and installed Redhat 6.

    I knew that I was asking for some trouble as this is a machine with all sorts of special case hardware on it. So to enlighten folks as to what to look out for and how to work around it here are some tips.

    1) As part of the install Redhat asks for a description of your graphics hardware and monitor. If the Xconfigurator can't figure it out the installation ends up being incomplete (if you say to skip the config after failures). The only way to get X installed properly after that is to re-install RedHat. The solution I used was to install for SVGA and a default monitor. After that completed I was able to manually edit XF86Config based on my previous config under Slackware. This works fine. You can also run various XF86Config builders after the fact.

    2) Non-Standard interrupts on boards.
    a) Modem
    RedHat neglected to have the file rc.serial in /etc/rc.d even though the init scripts refer to it.
    Create one if needed. (I was running my modem on ttyS3 (com4) with an interrupt of 5 and without rc.serial the function setserial is never called to configure the port.
    b) Sound
    The Gnome gui config controls for setting up the modem didn't let me choose the interrupts I wanted.
    Solution: Set for the wrong interrupts and then go to the appropriate file(s) in rc.d/* and edit in the proper values.

    3) Gnome PPP dialer. I was never able to figure out the default PPP dialer for Gnome but the GUI lets you run KPPP from the KDE platform and that works just fine.

    4) Networking: I have two nets. One a local subnet on ethernet and the other dial up. Using the GUI's I was unable to get the whole mess set up properly. I gave up and edited the /etc/* files based on the ones I had in slackware. The main problem was that it just didn't configure DNS properly esp, the resolv.conf file.

    5) Makedev.
    Scanner: The setup script didn't notice my scanner (scsi) so I had to make the device with an explicit command.
    CDR: None of the linux distributions know what to do with a CDR. I just make a /dev/CDR -> /dev/cdrecordabledevice link.

    6) Kernel defaults:
    The default kernel with SCSI support wasn't compiled to support scanners.
    In addition the NT file system wasn't included in the mountable filesystem as kernel or kernel-module. To Support NT and scanners the kernel needs to be recompiled.

    7) A question for some RedHat expert. How does one create a new /boot/initrd.xxxx file for a new kernel version?
    (I just skipped it for the 2.2.7 kernel but left it in lilo for the 2.2.5 kernel)

  • Is it possible to upgrade to RH 6.0 from 5.2? I know that it was possible to upgrade from 5.X to 5.2- there was an upgrade option in the RH installer. Is it still there? Would I be better off just upgrading the kernal?

  • Yeah, it's still possible to upgrade from 5.2 to 6.0. It's actually pretty smooth, with just 2 small issues that I've found in upgrading 4 machines

    • The upgrade leaves your XF86Config file as is. That makes sure that you still have a working X11 config, but you have to hand edit the file to take advantage of the TrueType-aware font server they install by default.
    • The upgrade will blindly install sendmail. This causes havok with a machine running qmail or any other MTA.
  • I was trying to keep it simple for people new to Linux; depending on who I listen to my review was either too Linux oriented or not Linux oriented enough...


    I personally would prefer a small /boot, a fairly big /home, a big /usr, a big /usr/spool on a separate spindle, and at least a /opt or /var; but I felt it would be counter-productive to go into that much partitioning detail in what was supposed to be a review.
  • Tweaking httpd.conf fixed the loading problem... I was not expecting quite the load I got from being /.'d so I had logging (and a customized referral log) turned on, not enough spare servers started etc.

    Tuning Apache a bit got the load back under control (0.3-1.9)

    Since it was a tuning problem, does that mean I was Mindcrafted? :-)
    (that was meant to be a joke, for the humour impaired; they are re-doing the benchmarks in an "open" enviroment I will be quite interested in the outcome)
  • Actually the package listing was mostly from their web site; the outside of the packaging does not give nearly that much information.


    As for the review being bland/dry, you have to remember that the majority of CPUReview's readers are solidly in the Win95/98/NT camp; I was trying to present the review from their point of view.
  • I did present a simplified view; the article was meant as a review not as a beginner's guide or howto.
    You are right, some of my suggestions were a bit advanced for a newbie; I tried to tone down the complexity but apparently I did not tune it down enough.
    I did not follow the "Workstation" install because in the past I ran into numerous problems when I did not do a custom/full install.
    I agree, the upgrade process could be smoother; I usually re-install from scratch every year or so.
  • does 6.0 support voodoo banshee based cards?


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    Why am here?
    Where is the chocolate?
  • I agree -- the reviews are becoming very repetitious. But what I'd like to hear is a review that doesn't cover installation. Imagine you are given a computer with a good installation of some Linux distribution -- now, how good is it?

    Most reviewers never get past installation, it seems, and are too lazy to talk about whether Linux and its associated apps are actually a good operating system and environment. Of course, to do that you have to use it for a while after you've installed it.

    Lazy journalists...

  • hmmm (Score:1)

    by PHroD ( 1018 )
    looks like the 1st part of the review was generated by reading the packaging (what apps are bundled etc). The rest is a pretty bland and dry review...nothing new.


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  • I had a nicely functioning RedHat 5.2 (updated to kernel 2.2.6) system until I did something stoopid and messed it up. Rather than try to figure out exactly what I'd done in the 40 days since I last rebooted, I figured I'd just save my home directory & install RH 6.0, reformating and starting from scratch. Install went well except for the one time it hung. I was doing an FTP install off of my BeOS machine, so I'm not sure exactly what happened there. I get it all installed and boot, thinking how cool the graphic login screen is (gdm?) I decide to try out Enlightenment (I've been using WindowMaker for about a year.) At first I'm thinking that this is great, but then strange things start to happen. The gtop program, which I love, suddenly stops working for my user account, but not for root. The tray thingy suddenly disappears for no reason. I can't get the Gnome configuration app to come up. Finally, I say to hell with it and switch back to WindowMaker. Now all I have to do is figure out how to set it up so non of the Gnome stuff starts up when I log in. Oh well, I guess that's why we have "kill".
  • The problem is with glibc 2.1. It's not entirely binary-compatible. Many apps (including StarOffice) need to be recompiled for glibc2.1

    That being said, apparently StarOffice has been recompiled--but it's licensed only for the Applications CD. Aaargh...seems like a very Microslop-ish move. :^(
  • Gee, seemed pretty easy to me, too...

    I always recommend to new users that they shell out the cash for Partition Magic 4.0. That makes the job *much* easier.

    Truth be told, I've installed Win95, Win98, and various Linux distributions. I know some otherwise fairly knowledgeable people who have gone through the WinNT ordeal. I would say that Red Hat is the easiest of all, by far. Sure, as long as nothing goes wrong with the install process on a Windoze machine, you're OK, but whoa Nellie, if something does go wrong...

  • Redhat 6.0 gets an A? Bah! (Score:4)

    by Hrunting ( 2191 ) on Sunday May 16, 1999 @07:28PM (#1889336) Homepage
    I think the review was an overly simplified view of a highly atypical Redhat installation. The person obviously doing the review has quite a bit more clue than even the average new Linux user if he's choosing fdisk over Disk Druid. While he continually makes reference to how easy it is to setup Redhat from a new user's standpoint, all of the recommendations and methods he gives are for advanced users, not newbies. I'm surprised that he didn't go more into Redhat's recommendations for setting up swap space and disk partitions. In fact, I'm surprised that he didn't simply follow Redhat's guide for new installations rather than simply doing it his way. I wonder if the installation would've gone as smoothly. A better review would've installed the Workstation setup to see if it worked as advertised since that's what a "typical" installation should be. His "nice" GNOME desktop took a little work to get setup. How easy is that for a newbie? Who knows, but I bet it's more difficult than the phrase that he gave it.

    I'm not trying to badmouth Redhat 6.0. In fact, I'm running it now off an upgrade from Redhat 5.2. The upgrade didn't go as smoothly as I would've liked, mainly because I have a bastardized system consisting of weird partitioning, symlinks, and non-RPM installations. I could give a D to their upgrade process in a nice fancy format like CPUReview, but why? My experiences are probably due more to the way I set things up than to Redhat's merits. Their review is the same way. A much more valid review would come from someone who truly was new to Linux, or at least to Redhat. Then you find out how easy it really is to partition space, understand the instructions, and use a Window Manager.

    Personally, I give RH6 about a B, B-. I give this review a D+, enough to pass, but not enough to mean anything more than it was done.

    NOTE: of course, with the ever-increasing number of test cases of Linux in the computer media community, it's getting tough to find someone green enough to function as a "Linux newbie".
  • I've had the same problem with Netscape in 6.0. I figured it was just me though.

  • /.'ed (Score:1)

    by Otter ( 3800 )
    If you enjoyed this review, I would appreciate it if you told your friends and coworkers about CPUReview... who knows, someday even SlashDot might point to a story here! [Update: Slashdot did point here, and my server load went up to 87... I turned apache logging off, tweaked max servers/spares and now I can take the load.]

  • | 6.4 gigs of /var seems a bit high for me. :-)

    Maybe he really meant to suggest creating a relatively large /usr partition instead, as that's where most stuff you install wants to live.

  • I did a couple of my 5.1 systems and they just went ape on me. They crashed over night and samba wouldn't talk to NT 4 machines anymore. I think it was an issue with libraries not being upgraded corectly. I just backed off the essentials, blew em all out, and reinstalled clean and it seems to be rock solid.

    I had only 1 5.2 system and it seems to be OK.

    From 5.1 to 6.0 gets ugly due to bind versions too ... just some little gotchas to watch for. I suppose with patience and time I could have fixed it, but I had little of either that day. :-)

    I guess i'll shut up now and go write some more requirements. woohoo.
    /dev

  • I tried 6.0 on a system. runsocks compiles, then segfaults consistenetly. Netscape dies upon meeting up with some complex Java....all this works fine on RH 5.2 and SuSE 6.0. It seems to be a library problem. Until it's straightened out, no RH 6.0 here.

    I'm curious to hear if these are known issues/are there workarounds?
  • Count me in on Java problem. I tried many different versions of Netscape figuring it was the cause of the problem. Then I assumed the Java I was accessing was coded for Windows since the developers used J++. I'm glad to hear that others have had the same problems I have. At least I know I'm not crazy.
  • Yeah, there's still an upgrade option during the installation. I didn't use it so I don't know how reliable it is but the option is still there.
  • xemacs belongs in any linux dostribution, period. Not to mention one that comes on three CD's. Or costs 80!

    There are some niceties to it that GNU emacs doesn't have.

  • 6.0 is better, but ... (Score:3)

    by cthonious ( 5222 ) on Sunday May 16, 1999 @04:37PM (#1889345)
    Enlightenment is still flaky, and not even close to being complete. You need to write your own themes to change anything, and the default themes have widgets that are too small (to me) for any res above 800x600.

    I wish RH included more window maker stuff, since that is by far the best wm out there (they have window maker, but no dock apps, you still need to go download a ton of crap to get a nice window maker setup).

    At least they dropped that awful FVWM95 crap, and windowmaker is at least the default wm for the "Another Level" setup.

    The biggest difference with the install is that the package selection is a LOT better.

    Still no xemacs. Why?

    Still no /opt; so KDE won't work with the added "switchdesk" tools unless you install it to the Red Hat locations.

    They added /misc and /net ... weird. Who thought that up?

    Still the rogue file locations as always.
  • Whoah:
    Note that if your drive is greater than 8.4Gb in size, you should create a 2Gb root partition at the beginning of the drive, and assign the rest of the drive to a "/var" or "/opt" partition.

    6.4 gigs of /var seems a bit high for me. :-)
  • looks like the 1st part of the review was generated by reading the packaging (what apps are bundled etc).
    Not hardly, he specifically states that the packaging contains almost no description of the contents. There was probably such a list inside, however. So what's wrong with copying it?
    The rest is a pretty bland and dry review...nothing new.
    Actually, the review (which is not of Linux in general or RH in general) is pretty much what such a review should contain.

    What do you want here, some kind of highly creative description or new things that no-one else has written about, raves about features of Linux that have not been mentioned before? These things would not be appropriate for a review unless they first appeared in RH-6.0.

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  • Use the mkinitrd command.  For help with its syntax, try man mkinitrd. Enjoy!
    --
  • I found the GNOME documentation on this to be sparse, but I figured out. Launch the applet from your favorite terminal.( /usr/bin/dialer_applet )
    Now click on the buttons and read the error output in your terminal. The applet is calling ppp-on and ppp-off, which on my system do not exist. (Let it be noted that the GNOME documentation said that a properly set up ppp connection is required for the dialer applet. I set mine up with RedHat's netcfg.) Anyway, i created a couple of bash scripts in /etc/ppp to execute /sbin/ifup ppp0 and /sbin/ifdown ppp0 respectively. This seems to work just fine for me. If anoyone has found a better way let us know.
  • I needed to compile my own kernel because:

    1) I needed to do some special stuff that wasnt included in RedHat's kernel.

    2) I didn't want to run RedHat's 1.4MB kernel.

    My kernel was about 40K. After configuring my /etc/lilo.conf with an entry for my new kernel and running lilo I got a message that my kernel was too big. This makes no sense to me since the kernel that came with 6.0 was 1.4MB. I uninstalled lilo and installed the version that came on the RedHat 5.2 CD and it worked fine. Anyone have any ideas what went wrong here?
  • Oops, I meant 400K. But I also tried make bzImage. Wouldn't that use bzip?
  • I know that Mandrake has a reputation for being a beginner's distro, but I've found that their releases to be better than Red Hat's. It seems like they wait just long enough to catch all the gotchas in Red Hat, plus they set up a little nicer defaults.
  • I've had nothing but problems with it so far...
    First, I have no floppy, so I downloaded just the loadlin/autoboot stuff and tried an NFS install...no such option, so I had to dl everything.
    Second, (not an actual problem, yet) I accidently said yes to booting into X, and I thought what the hell, it'll make it easier for my wife...
    Third, the gnome terminal has a memory leak when transparency is on...everytime I switched virtual desktops I lost a few K...I didn't realize that until my box slowed to a crawl....so I rebooted, which brings me to
    Fourth, upon reboot, xdm just flicks my monitor between video modes, and the only option is to reboot....and since I have no floppy..its back to dos, and loadlin to remove xdm.

    maybe its just me
  • I installed the Star Office from the Applications CD and it works just great. I believe there might be some library problem with the version you just download from the Star Divison web site.
    ----------
  • I've been using 6.0 for about a week now, and it works rather well. GNOME has been very stable, and so has Enlightenment. The only problems I've found so far are as follows:

    1. If using the X login screen to login, XTerms don't die when you logout, even though the X server is restarted when it provides the login screen again.
    2. Bash doesn't recognize the Meta key in XTerm.
    3. GNOME linuxconf still has several bugs in it which make it hard to use. Darn shame it's not more stable, it has a lot of promise.

    Otherwise, I'm pretty please with it. Of course, everbody's mileage will vary, as has been evidenced by many people already...
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  • Re:Redhat 6.0 gets an A? Bah! (Score:3)

    by cale ( 18062 ) on Sunday May 16, 1999 @08:07PM (#1889356)
    I'd rather have a non-newbie review something for once. I am getting kind of sick of reading reviews of distros and having them all soley aimed at the newbies. I have installed linux a bunch of times and been using it for a while, I want a review of the distro that might actually tell me something about it instead of the normal newbie crap.

    Just my $.02
  • > Enlightenment is still flaky, and not even close to being complete. You need to write your own themes to change anything, and the default themes have widgets that are too small (to me) for any res above 800x600.

    I've been "playtesting" GNOME+Enlightenment under RH 5.2 for a few weeks, and I found that it wasn't too terribly hard to hack an e.theme to suit my tastes better. I moved some buttons around, hid some dangerous ones away in the slideout, and for stylistic match I replaced the title bar pixmaps with some that came with the gorgeous "Cyrus" theme for GTK.

    I agree about the buttons being too small (I'm using a variant of ShinyMetal), but a quick test in The GIMP indicates that the buttons still look nice if you scale them from the 16x16 up to 20x20 or so, so maybe I'll kludge up a BigShinyMetal++ or something next time I have a free evening.

    My biggest gripe is that there isn't a common theme file shared by GNOME and Enlightenment, so that I could make any desired changes in one place and using a common syntax.

    But a big question for me is: what is all this eye candy doing for me? Not that I don't like eye candy; it's just that I also like having my limited resources available for more important matters.

    Also -- no flamewar intended -- my G&E combination only has a stability similar to Windows 95. Windows 95 often suffers from "Winsanity", and sometimes comes up all screwed up (or merely in a configuration you didn't request) whenever you boot, and parts of it tend to die unexplained deaths while you're using it. Similarly, G&E often comes up other than the way I configured it, and parts of it sometimes die while I'm working.

    These problems may be in part because I installed over several beta versions. When people told me that that was causing problems, I did a major cleanup and got a substantial improvement in reliability. So I'll probably do a clean install of RH6, and maybe get yet more improvements when I do. And unlike Windows 95, I can expect improving patches over the next few months. So maybe I'll end up keeping it.

    BTW, people on the GNOME list are talking about throwing a GTK-based lightweight window manager for use under GNOME. It doesn't sound like too big a project (they're talking about cannibalizing existing window managers' code), so it wouldn't surprize me to see something along this line within a few months.


    > At least they dropped that awful FVWM95 crap

    I can add a resounding "Hey man!" to that.

  • Out of the box, Netscape always falls over for me on sites running java applets, an example site of this is http://news.ninemsn.com.au/default.asp

    However after much soul searching I have managed to get my Netscape runnning a lot more stably by switching off java in the Windows Tools menu but leaving java applets enabled.
  • I don't think that StarOffice is to blame. I Installed both KDE and GNOME and I got the same error messages, right out of the box!.. I then installed only KDE, and everything worked fine.... any comments? what is this ld.so prob!?
  • I haveam expieriencing the runsocks segfault's too.. seems to be a glibc2.1 thing maybee?

    It works with debian stable, then i tried redhat 6.0 when it came out (just the get a more informed picture over which distri ist best :) First i thought that runsocks crash must be a redhat thing, but then i wiped RH of the disk and installed Debian unstable.. same thing.. hmmm
  • As easy as loging in, clicking on the tigert's kewl logo on the sta^H^H^Hmain menu, selecting Settings->Desktop->Theme Selector, selecting a theme and hit OK? Not that hard. THey did a quite good job in their default config.. Just make shure you don't install that kde crap hehe just kidding.. Only gripe i had is that they don't run sndconfig by default. Why? I don't get it, they have auto-detect for network and gfx card, WTF did they leave the sound out of the default setup? Well i still overall prefer debian, because of apt/deb wipes rpm's ass.. It's just a little harder till you have it running in the nice polished way redhat has by default, but it's worth it.
  • you can count me in on that one
  • Simple. Edit /etc/inittab - look for the line:

    id:5:initdefault:

    Change this to:

    id:3:initdefault:

    And no more X on startup.


  • I've had a host of annoying small problems with RH 6.0. No the least of which has been an unstable X-server. I'd never had X crash before. Window manager or application, sure.. but not the server. it's too bad. I like the Gnome/KDE integration.

    On a side note: has anyone else had problems with gtop [gnome.org] after recent upgrades?
    (on 5.2 systems not just 6.0) I can't trace it to any one thing, but it's stopped working for me. it executes, but just sits there, display's no window, drops no errors. Recompilations, stack traces, nothing is fixing it, or showing me why! *whine*
  • I installed RH 6 from scratch and it does screw up once in a while. So its not your system.

    I look forward to the GTK window manager. One that uses the GTK themes would make Gnome more consistent and would avoid the WM/Desktop duality problem (e.g. two sets of root menus).

    --

  • I've had bad experiences with Netscape's Java VM on SuSE 6.0. The problems seemed to start when I went to the 4.5 version of Communicator. I've just downloaded 4.6 and I get the same problems.

    I usually get a complete lock-up on pages with applets. A tiny alert dialog appears (you have to look for it). The few times I've been able to resize the dialog and read it's contents, it had "xlib: unexpected async reply" over and over.

    Worst of all, Netscape keeps popping up these nearly-invisible dialogs until you're able to close it. I usually end up doing a kill -9 on the process.

    I've downloaded Mozilla (M5, I think) and I'll be trying it. I guess I can also install glibc2 and see what the latest XFree version is.

    BTW -- I don't think it's J++. I've compiled applets with the Blackdown JDK, and they run fine in every browser except Netscape for Linux.

    Thanks for chiming in on this. If anyone finds a fix, please e-mail me (donkpunch@maiermedia.com). I would like to post the fix on my company's site.
  • The Netscape problem has been discussed on RH's Bugzilla and seems to be trivial. just do
    chkfontpath --add /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
    then
    /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs restart
    and the problem should go away (works4me)
    see bug 2386 on http://developer.redhat.com/bugzilla/
  • Hi

    Try turning off acceleration features of your
    video card and see if that fixes it.

    I had the same sort of problem with an
    S3 Virge GX/2 under XFree86 (machine locked solid
    when moving windows etc. Not just X.) No
    problem under the Accelerated X demo, though, so
    it looks like a bug in the accel code for S3
    Virge GX/2 in XFree86.

    If you don't have an S3 Virge GX/2 it could still
    be a similar problem. Try turning off
    acceleration and see what happens.

    If that sorts out the problem, maybe you could
    persuade the people you got the machine from to
    swap the card for something else with better
    XFree86 support.

    Hope that helps.
  • A 40k kernel? Wow! :)

    If you compiled using make zimage, the kernel will be too big. Use make install - it uses bzip for compression and intsalls it neatly into /boot.

    I'm running stock RH 6.0 and it works fine for me.

    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 14 14:48 vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.2.9
  • A few points that I hope'll help:

    1/ As root, you can run "setup" which will bring up a menu for different system configurators (Mouse, XF86, etc). Or you can just run XConfigurator by itself - this does just the same thing as the install process. That'll give you the chance to fiddle with things.

    2/ I work for an ISP, which explains my hatred of internal modems. Wretched things. Throw it away! (Helpful, I know)

    3/ This is a point - in RH, you really need to set up your PPP via LinuxConf, and then use the dialler. Needs improvement.

    4/ Were you using LinuxConf, or the rather stale old control panel?

    5 and 6/ I think theirs still too much wyrdness happening with the gen_scsi stuff - check out LWN for details. A valid point however.

    7/ use mkinitrd as normal. There's also a kernel-updaters mini-howto on the RH site.

    Rob
  • I've upgraded a few systems from 5.x to 6.0 now, with no major dramas.

    Rob K
  • Interesting to see that the Manual increased in size. MacOS 8.5 came with electronic installation manual only. :)

    (I actually like manuals. But I think RH is going in the wrong direction.)

  • yes, I agree.
  • I just installed RedHat Linux 6.0 on my System at home. It runs by first time install.. but...

    Don't even try to install any libraries for use with StarOffice 5.0, that makes your Linux crash if you update /etc/ld.so.conf and hereafter run ldconfig.... Please StarDivision, make us an update.....
  • What can I say?
    L A M E R!
  • I just recently installed Redhat 6 and I will agree, it is very "idiot proof". I'm still having problems getting online with it. I'm hoping that someday Redhat will come up with a OS that is as easy to use as *GASP* windows.
  • It seemed like the update and installation program was a lot more robust. RedHat Linux is becoming more idiot proof.

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