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Linus Torvalds is Back in Charge of Linux (zdnet.com) 395

At Open Source Summit Europe in Edinburgh, Scotland, Linus Torvalds is meeting with Linux's top 40 or so developers at the Maintainers' Summit. This is his first step back in taking over Linux's reins. From a report: A little over a month ago, Torvalds stepped back from running the Linux development community. In a note to the Linux Kernel Mailing List (LKML), Torvalds said, "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely. I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately." That time is over. Torvalds is back.

Whether he'll be a kinder and gentler Torvalds remains to be seen. In the Linux 4.19 announcement, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux's temporary leader and maintainer of the stable branch, wrote: "Linus, I'm handing the kernel tree back to you. You can have the joy of dealing with the merge window :)"

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22, 2018 @07:51AM (#57516441)

    Step 2: Admit that he was blackmailed and fuck all that bullshit he was forced to say.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      No matter how good he is -- he would have had to been fired by almost all companies out there.

      Being bluntly honest about that code does or does not live up to standard is not the problem -- just keep it professional. Just eliminate the gratuitous BS that he is known for. Also if it is not up to standard, make it constructive.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22, 2018 @09:08AM (#57516709)

        Also if it is not up to standard, make it constructive.

        Some of the cases he called out ended up that way because constructive criticism was met with denial and deflections. In one case I remember the maintainer broke a user land API by introducing a new error code, we got to see Linus laying it in on the maintainer long **after** the maintainer dismissed Linus statements about unacceptable compatibility issues. Wether professional or not BS remains BS and in that case Linus had to tell the maintainer to quit with his BS.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          But was laying it on them necessary, or could Linus just have said "no, this code isn't good enough, refer to my earlier email about it, patch rejected"?

          Functionally there is no difference.

          • The _rudest_ thing he could have written was: 'i have revoked your access to the group! Go away.'

            The flame was a last warning, Linus should have just kicked the dense coder out, but he's a softy.

            I've run some projects in my day, I don't yell, I fire. If someone IS such an asshole that they MAKE me be an asshole to get their jobs done, I just get rid of them.

      • by jez9999 ( 618189 )

        No matter how good he is -- he would have had to been fired by almost all companies out there.

        And they're almost all humourless boring corporate drone houses run by HR. He should take it as a badge of honour.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Funny how some just cannot help seeing a conspiracy at work only because a bully decides his bully ways were unprofessional, detrimental behaviour, which shouldn't be tolerated whereever people work together.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Because that kind of change doesn't happen at the flip of a switch. Either he was forced to, or he had some life changing event happen to him that caused him to rethink things. Either way, there is something bigger happening that we may never know about.

    • Step 3 Name names, force the roaches that tried to pull this into the light so they don't have as easy a time with their next target.

  • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @07:53AM (#57516443)

    I mean with the actual development of Linux? I seem to be getting regular kernel update.

    Other then Linus trying to keep a cooler head, it was also a test to have Linux development controlled by someone else for a while to make sure it will still function, that all the support and infrastructure was in place.

    If something happen to Linus, I really don't want to see the End of Linux.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Of course nothing happened. The shitstorm over the Code of Conduct was just the latest moral panic, largely ignored by people it actually affects.

    • by IPFreely ( 47576 )
      The conduct issue aside, the other question of how Linux survives without Linus is certainly important.

      Over the years, he has set up a highly hierarchical power structure based on trust and loyalty with him at the top. Sort of dictatorial. That is not necessarily a bad thing as long as he manages it with the right goals in mind, and he seems to have done that fairly well.
      (It was often said the best leadership is a benevolent monarchy.)
      I think this speaks to strong focused goals and the ability to exclude

    • it was also a test to have Linux development controlled by someone else for a while to make sure it will still function, that all the support and infrastructure was in place.

      Nothing happened when he was gone. Including no leadership, no major developments, no strategic decisions. If this was a "test" for "control" then it missed on both the test and the control part of it.

      Car Analogy:
      This was a test to see if someone is able to be a full time truck driver, by having him climb into the cabin, start the engine and then calling it a success before they even reached for the gearstick.

  • right (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @07:57AM (#57516455) Journal

    Whether he'll be a kinder and gentler Torvalds remains to be seen.

    Which is part of the problem with these public confession/appeasement things.

    Someone can always claim you didn't get "woke" enough.

    • Which is why I prefer the (rare) appearance where someone states that there is room for improvement of their behaviour (something that's true for most of us), without issuing an apology as well. There's rarely a need to bring right and wrong into these matters, and an apology is basically an admission of guilt. Someone* once said: "regret is something for little children", so just leave out that part and you won't have to acquit yourself either, again and again as the bar keeps getting lowered.

      *) Yes i
      • by Miser ( 36591 )

        100% this.

        An old mentor of mine always said - "Never apologize just to mollify someone, unless it is really and truly your fault. Saying sorry admits guilt."

        I don't know if the poster way above has any merit (Linus being blackmailed), but I for one think Linus should continue to be acerbic in his criticism of code and life goes on. I've read some of those flamewars. It was never about the people. Just the code. Shit code is shit code. Call a spade a spade.

        I also agree that a loosely written code of

      • Re:right (Score:5, Interesting)

        by azcoyote ( 1101073 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @10:11AM (#57516977)

        There's rarely a need to bring right and wrong into these matters, and an apology is basically an admission of guilt.

        I've been pondering this a lot lately. As ridiculous as Trump is, his lack of remorse for anything and everything has shown a kind of fault line in the way in which today's culture has become a culture of blame. Most public figures, when confronted with something that brings public ire, try to apologize even if they don't really feel bad about it, because they think that apologies will diffuse the situation. But these days an apology is not just an admission of guilt; it's also an admission of weakness. It causes people to go in for the kill like a pack of wolves. Trump is just about the only person who can survive in such a situation, precisely because he refuses to apologize and simply "misremembers" what he said or did in a convenient way. Thus ironically it's the kind of witch hunt culture today that has helped to cement Trump's position. Every time people attack him, he shows his dominance by refusing to apologize.

        This is visible, for example, in the difference between the affairs of Bill Clinton and Trump's tryst with Stormy Daniels. Now in terms of morality, both deeds are of course gravely sinful, despite being mutual (notwithstanding the illicit power dynamic in the case of Bill, though Hillary still refuses to acknowledge it). But looking at the cultural/political impact, apart from the question of right and wrong, it's fascinating how Trump is able to weather the storm simply by refusing to apologize. It's almost as if, in the public eye, it's the apology that constitutes the sin.

        • Re:right (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Mashiki ( 184564 ) <mashiki&gmail,com> on Monday October 22, 2018 @10:38AM (#57517117) Homepage

          You're right on the culture of blame, but misunderstand why Trump is able to whether it. It's because he refuses to "bow" to the politically correct culture around it and through it. People were getting pissed off over it ~20 years ago, that PC culture has gotten far worse over the last 6 years. Everything from destroying historical monuments, to active discrimination against others "for the greater good" for education, job positions, loans, and so forth. In general western society was on a very good track towards meritocracy, and the political left injected identity politics into it hard pushing that if you don't fall in line with what they tell you, then you're a racist, sexist, misogynist, rapist, and so on.

          You can round all of this out, that in many cases the people who are screaming this culture of blame from the rooftops are people who've actually done the things they've accused others of. The rank hypocrisy is simply the final nail in the coffin for it.

        • by jd ( 1658 )

          "I'm sorry you have a headache" doesn't mean the speaker caused it. Although it might.

          Apologizing for historic crimes doesn't mean you possess a TARDIS.

          Hidden meanings, secret codes, this is not a good communication strategy. I suggest saying what you mean, meaning what you say, never using coded messages outside of IPSec, GnuPG or SSL.

        • by MobyDisk ( 75490 )

          Most public figures, when confronted with something that brings public ire, try to apologize

          I agree with the rest of your post but I find that politicians do know to not apologize. They have learned instead to blame, misdirect, or just plain flip-flop and claim you always held the opposite position.

          George H W Bush apologized for raising taxes, and became a 1 term president. Note that congress raised the taxes, not him, and he only voted for the spending bill to avoid a government shutdown.

          Compare that to his son George W Bush, who sent the US into the Iraq war on false pretenses and caused a wor

        • I just got done reading a great book Mistake Were Made (But Not By Me) [amazon.com]. It's a very good read and quite insightful about how we justify our actions. It goes into how for the most part, people can't admit they made a mistake. In your example, Bill Clinton did not own up to his mistake. George W Bush maintained that there WERE WMDs in Iraq and we were completely justified in invading and occupying them. When faced with facts, people will double-down on their clearly incorrect statements. It talks abou

        • Now in terms of morality, both deeds are of course gravely sinful, despite being mutual (notwithstanding the illicit power dynamic in the case of Bill, though Hillary still refuses to acknowledge it).

          Are you implying that Hillary needs to apologize to Monica Lewinsky because of her husband's wandering penis? That's just weird. Generally, it's the cheating parties who apologize to the spouse who didn't cheat.

        • > > This is visible, for example, in the difference between the affairs of Bill Clinton and Trump's tryst with Stormy Daniels. Now in terms of morality, both deeds are of course gravely sinful, despite being mutual (notwithstanding the illicit power dynamic in the case of Bill, though Hillary still refuses to acknowledge it).

          Paula Jones didn't consent. She won a lawsuit against Bill. Bill was convicted of perjury during said lawsuit, which triggered impeachment. He settled all the cases after losin

        • I don't really want to get into a political tangent, but I don't think Trump's ability to get away with things is a result of his handling of them. I think it more has to do with who is followers are. Republicans have spent years working their base into a frenzy over crackpot conspiracy theories, so they can easily be in denial about things that would otherwise upset them. A lot of them are completely hostile toward "political correctness" and therefore women claiming to have been assaulted (I know that

    • Someone can always claim you didn't get "woke" enough.

      That's not a problem with public appeasement. You can't please everyone. The correct response is to say "right fuck it it was a waste of time", and proceed to go old school on them. That gives them a healthy dose of perspective.

    • Whether he'll be a kinder and gentler Torvalds remains to be seen.

      Which is part of the problem with these public confession/appeasement things.

      Someone can always claim you didn't get "woke" enough.

      No one is ever woke enough.

      But yeah, I'm expecting a Linux Social Justice distro any day.

  • I can't imagine that trying to understand empathy and integrate it into your personality is like one of those sham Hollywood 28 day substance abuse therapy retreats. It will be interesting to see if anything about Linus' demeanor changes.

    • I can't imagine that trying to understand empathy and integrate it into your personality is like one of those sham Hollywood 28 day substance abuse therapy retreats.

      Has anyone ever told you that it takes about a month to override a habit? Actually, a minimum of about three weeks, though it can be as long as eight. 28 days is perfectly valid for people who want to change. Changing addictive behaviors is not a simple matter of sharing information, though; you have to address the root cause or else people tend to return to their addictions in weak moments. For example, I had stopped smoking for two years when my car was stolen. I walked straight up to the store and got a

  • Comment removed (Score:3, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @08:00AM (#57516459)
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    • So it seems he is able to survive without smaltalk just fine.

      So now you know that if you ask him a question you will get an anser, even if you don't like the answer. You will even get an answer without asking a question.

      If you think it will be different, I have to ask: what have you been smoking?

      I have a bit of Linus in me, where I work to surround myself with those who are not precious and easily insulted. I'm certainly not prone to his level of profanity, but don't deal much in smalltalk.

      But if I were to offer him a suggestion, (damn, how's that for conceit) appoint someone to deal with problem people in a better way.

      You can't run an organization catering to people who use bitching and moaning as a workplace tool. I've been in enough groups to understand that once the whiners get a toehold, t

  • Like all "real men", he keeps what he said. Everyone needs a break sometimes. Linus also deserved that.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @08:12AM (#57516503)
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    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      It would appear that you suffer the problem you are projecting onto others. "A rational person with an IQ higher than the thermostat" might deduce what you are advocating here and conclude that you are a "left wing activist" that "cannot reconcile two principles they've advocated".

      You might first consider the concept of accountability and rethink your false equivalency between someone who loses a job for bad behavior and the bombing of innocents. Maybe then you will feel less "entitled to be disruptive, t

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by robsku ( 1381635 )

      No small part of it is because the left has adopted a view that "marginalized people" are effectively entitled to be disruptive, toxic, etc. Because discrimination(tm).

      BS.

      2. "Marginalized people" cannot be guilty of oppressing "non-marginalized people" no matter how they behave.

      This.

      is. just. bullshit. claim. by. those. who. don't. want. to. give. their. entitlement. to. bully. any. and. every. minority. they. feel. like. they. don't. like.

  • by KiviPall ( 220594 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @08:16AM (#57516515) Journal

    When you allow too many professional complainers and trouble makers, usually with bizarre hair colour and face piercings, your team or even the whole business will got sh**t. Don't hire those freaks and keep everyone else happy.

  • The fates of the two characters in title should caution anyone at the head of anything to not give up control if they still care...

  • I agree 100% (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Chris Katko ( 2923353 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:49AM (#57517543)

    If anything is obvious it is that whatever process led to the creation of the greatest operating system ever written, that process, needs to change!

    Everyone knows that when you've got the top product, company, or team, you need to pull a 180.

  • I want to know where he went and who "explained" things to him.

    Someone should check his forehead for scars.

    Also, why isn't this in the summary: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct-interpretation.html [kernel.org].

    Which has a LOT of really good language. Like how the scope doesn't include other forums. And you're not going to get banned for things you said years ago. But every damn thing in here should be a patch or update to that pile of garbage that is the original CoC. It's a damn good argum

  • If anyone is interested, I got squashed in the #MeToo timeframe, about 15 years ago. What happened was a kernel update suddenly started making my Abit BP6 (dual) lock-up. I traced it to a new System Management Interupt service routine that would not handle double-interrupts. Masking off would fix it.

    I reported this on the LKML, and eventually Linus commented "We don't fix broken hardware." True enough, the SMI bus was vomitous (unbalanced, open-drain). But I'm older than Linus, and remember when softwa

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