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System76 Linux Computer Maker Offers a Sneak Peek Into Its New Factory (betanews.com) 110

BrianFagioli shares a report from BetaNews: System76 has long been a Linux computer seller, but recently, it has transitioned into a Linux computer maker. What's the difference, you ask? Well, currently, the company doesn't really make its own computers. System76's laptops, for instance, are made by other manufacturers, which it re-brands as its own. No, System76 doesn't just slap its name on other company's laptops and ship them out the door. Actually, it works closely with the manufacturers, tweaks firmware, and verifies that both Ubuntu and its Ubuntu-based Pop!_OS will work well on the hardware. System76 then offers top-notch support too. In other words, the company isn't just selling a computer, but an experience too. Unfortunately, when you rely on other computer manufacturers, you don't fully control the experience. Ultimately, System76 cannot achieve its true vision without building its own laptops. And so, that is exactly what it is going to do! Yes, System76 will be building and selling the computers right here in the USA (Denver, Colorado to be exact). I mean, when your company supports open source ideology and takes pride in being "Made in America," how can you go wrong?

Many folks in the Linux community are excited to see the fruits of System76's labor, and today, we get a small peek. No, the company isn't sharing any of its computer designs, but it is showing off its new manufacturing facility. In a new blog post by System76 customer service all-star Emma, she shares several photos of the new factory. [T]he space is absolutely massive! It seems System76 has very lofty goals. Exactly when these new computers both designed and manufactured by System76 will become available for purchase is anyone's guess. Quite frankly, based on the System76's blog post, it seems they are still at very early stages. With that said, it will be interesting to see what is born inside that factory in Colorado. The Linux community is anxiously awaiting something special.

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System76 Linux Computer Maker Offers a Sneak Peek Into Its New Factory

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  • Pop!_OS? (Score:2, Flamebait)

    by fisted ( 2295862 )

    Seriously, "Pop!_OS"? That's the dumbest name I've heard in a while. I suppose the underscore is supposed to look "modern", because random punctuation is what the kids use -- oh wait, that was maybe 20 years ago.

    Good fucking grief.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Seriously, "Pop!_OS"? That's the dumbest name I've heard in a while...

      Given how long the *NIX community been embarrassing themselves with build names, this is par for the course, and actually an improvement. At least the name doesn't immediately conjure visions of a development team consisting of 40-year old Bronies running around in Pokemon pajamas speaking Klingon all day.

    • Just the name makes me think of advertising rhetoric or some guy in marketing talking about edgy, or throwing buzzwords at something.

      Realistically, they should have made a name for the OS that is simple and understandable. Even something like 76OS would be useful.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Most likely 'Assembled in an American factory'.

    Where do all those parts and software components come from?

    • by BlueStrat ( 756137 ) on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @04:39AM (#56966820)

      Most likely 'Assembled in an American factory'.

      Where do all those parts and software components come from?

      Of course they're getting their active and passive components from the same places everyone else does who builds to that architecture. If they do it right, building the motherboards and assembling/testing the units in the US will make possible a much tighter quality control and inspection process and greater feature-flexibility.

      Naturally, the 'holy grail' relating in large part to security, openness, and freedom in the manufacturing of personal computers is making your own CPUs/GPUs/etc etc, but that takes enormous capital and R&D, not to mention overcoming huge regulatory and legal hurdles and burdens.

      In today's US economic/taxation/financial/environmental landscape and regulatory environment an Intel, AMD, or even a MS or Apple could not make a successful start. The big players use the government's powers to pull up the ladder after themselves through laws, Acts, and regulations. That's a danger anytime the government is allowed to broaden it powers & scope, and extend it's control into more markets and technologies.

      Strat

      • Most likely 'Assembled in an American factory'.

        Where do all those parts and software components come from?

        Of course they're getting their active and passive components from the same places everyone else does who builds to that architecture. If they do it right, building the motherboards and assembling/testing the units in the US will make possible a much tighter quality control and inspection process and greater feature-flexibility.

        Naturally, the 'holy grail' relating in large part to security, openness, and freedom in the manufacturing of personal computers is making your own CPUs/GPUs/etc etc, but that takes enormous capital and R&D, not to mention overcoming huge regulatory and legal hurdles and burdens.

        In today's US economic/taxation/financial/environmental landscape and regulatory environment an Intel, AMD, or even a MS or Apple could not make a successful start. The big players use the government's powers to pull up the ladder after themselves through laws, Acts, and regulations. That's a danger anytime the government is allowed to broaden it powers & scope, and extend it's control into more markets and technologies.

        Strat

        The benefit they have is in purchasing power. We pay retail to Amazon, Newegg, etc. They purchase items at the same prices as the mentioned resellers.
        And it is always easy to beat BB's prices.

    • I once toured an American factory for specialized communication equipment. They were proudly stating that all their products were made in America, but I couldn't take my eyes off the giant MADE IN CHINA emblazoned on the PCBs the workers were soldering things to.

      I understand what they mean by Made in America, but China was pretty brilliant to get that stamp on the largest internal piece of hardware.

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      Most likely 'Assembled in an American factory'.

      Where do all those parts and software components come from?

      Exactly.

      And it's not their entire lineup, either. It's just the desktops that are being "made in America". The laptops are, and still will be, OEM designs that System76 buys from companies like Quanta and such and simply put their badge on it.

  • Made in America (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Errol backfiring ( 1280012 ) on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @04:22AM (#56966782) Journal
    Especially when it comes to computers, "Made in America" is not really a mark of quality. I do not expect it to come with less spyware than a machine labelled "Made in China". "Made in Iceland" would probably be a far better deal.
  • Does anyone have one of their laptops? How is the durability? I got a Dell laptop recently, and the durability of the case is miserable. There are so many parts made out of plastic, and the hinge is not strong at all. Makes me miss the metal Apple cases (but not the lousy keyboard and weird bar).
    • Re:Durability (Score:5, Informative)

      by jercul79 ( 5466800 ) on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @05:34AM (#56966932)
      I recently bought a Gazelle with RAM upgrade. This came to about ~1000$, similar to my low-end gaming laptop from a well known name.

      Delivery:
      Arrived about 2 weeks after purchase.
      Boxed fine.

      SW:
      It got stuck during installation, I had to hard reset.
      Other than that it is typical Ubuntu. (I didn't get pop os)

      HW:
      Looks stylish
      Plastic is flimsy, feels cheap and light.

      I did my duty to Linux community and donated money to the cause. I will not buy again, I do not recommend either. I'd rather but another gaming laptop and install ubuntu myself.

      I wouldn't write this comment but I am seeing so many ads and "good things" about System76, I had to get it out of me.
      • Re:Durability (Score:5, Informative)

        by ausekilis ( 1513635 ) on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @11:04AM (#56968326)

        I bought a Gazelle some 4-5 years ago - it has a 4000 series i7 inside and no dedicated graphics card.

        I've installed Fedora and Ubuntu on it, I've run virtual machines, I've developed code, built stuff in Unity 3D, played a handful of games (on lower settings). Overall it has been a very solid laptop and I've not had any problems with it. The battery doesn't live like it used to, but that's always the case over years of use and abuse.

        The plastic of the Clevo-built laptop does feel a bit flimsy, but I've never had anything break or crack. The screen still looks crisp and sharp. I've had HP, Toshiba and Dell laptops that basically self-destruct after 2-3 years. Overall, I'd buy System76 again, though next time around I'd get a dedicated graphics card built-in. Intel just doesn't have their act together when it comes to pushing polygons.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          The problem with System76's systems are not that some parts get manufactured by Clevo as Clevo manufacturers for EVERYONE. People who are saying System76 is just re-branding are mentally challenged, but the truth is System76 isn't competent to do what needs to be done to put out a line-up of systems that can be properly supported. System76 doesn't need to design a case- which is all this is actually amounting to from what I've heard. They're not actually doing anything of significance here. With Clevo you c

      • I'd rather but another gaming laptop and install ubuntu myself.

        Which gaming laptop?

      • by skogs ( 628589 )

        I'll stick up for System76 on this one. You say Gazelle, which is only slightly beefier than the ultra portable Galago. You can't complain about 'flimsy cheap and light' on what is essentially a low end laptop with crappy CPU run integrated video. I've had their other laptops and they are fantastic build quality.

        You then complain about getting a gaming laptop and doing it all yourself - here is an idea - don't compare a 1700 gaming laptop to an ultra portable. Even the Oryx isn't the mightiest gaming lap

      • by pots ( 5047349 )
        I have a Zareason laptop (System76 competitor) which I'm typing on right now. Also a Clevo rebrand, also feels cheap, etc. Same experience as you really. It might be fairer to judge these companies on their desktops, rather than their laptops, since they have many more options for sourcing those. At least insofar as judging their capability or dedication. Every complaint I have about this is really directed at Clevo.

        Consequently, I'm hoping for great things from this factory. I'll keep an eye on it, but
    • by Anonymous Coward

      They are re-branded Clevo systems - so Sager, Eurocom, Xotic, MALIBAL, ProStar are all clevo resellers.

    • I had that feeling when I got this all-plastic Toshiba Satellite. It replaced an old Sony Vaio that had a metal case. The Toshiba feels "soft", I'll grant, but it has been very reliable. Knock on ... plastic.

      • by Luthair ( 847766 )
        Metal isn't a good material for laptops, just look at all the macbooks with dented edges.
        • Survivorship bias. The Macbooks may have dented edges, but the plastic laptops have cracked and have been taken out of circulation. You see the dented MBPs because they survived being dropped on the concrete floor by clumsy TSA agents ( /me examines dent on current MBP...).

    • I got a 15" Oryx Pro a couple of years ago to replace a 2012 Macbook Pro that was showing its age. The Oryx Pro doesn't feel as solid as the MBP, but it's handled the everyday abuse I put on it over the past two years. It travels in a backpack that's frequently tossed around into the back seat of the car or a chair at the office or house. None of the parts feel loose or worn on it at this point. I guess a bonus that comes from it not having as solid of a feel to it is that it does not show dents and dings
      • : Doesn't jump between network settings as easily as the MBP and only has about two hours of battery life.

        Woah.

        • To be fair, I did know about the short battery run time before the purchse it, so I have no complaints about it.
  • Custom built hardware for a thankful niche audience. I like it. System76 has been doing some neat stuff in the Linux Hardware Camp and I wish them well with their new endeavor.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Wow, this story seems like nothing more than an ad, especially the writing style. It's like one of those infomercials that pretends to be a news broadcast with a skeptical reporter. How unprofessional.

    • by Luthair ( 847766 )
      The submitter also the author, as a spammer he's just trying to get people to click through.
  • Ad, not news (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @05:44AM (#56966960)

    "In other words, the company isn't just selling a computer, but an experience too."
    "how can you go wrong"
    "customer service all-star" ...seriously?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I don't use Linux exclusively I tend to stick with Windows. But seriously, the custom Linux PC's seem really over priced when you factor in the OS is free and there is no licensing fee. Most people I know buy a inexpensive Windows PC that is spec'd out to run a Linux desktop OS and simply goes that route. That System 76 Pop OS is the dumbest ideal yet in Linux desktops. Its a knee jerk reaction to Ubuntu going back to Gnome 3 from Unity and Pop OS is so not what most want in a Linux desktop.

    • I looked at their models and comparing their Oryx Pro with the Dell XPS
      You can configure a much more powerful system with the System 76 (Faster SSD) and way more storage options. And still be in the same Price range with the Dell. Windows License cost for most of these systems are often the least of the concerns.

      In general if I find a system that is well supported by Linux distributions, they also run very well on Windows Systems. Mostly due to hardware makers making drivers for windows first then for linu

    • Depends on how much research you're willing to do / capable of doing and how much you value the research time at, and how willing you are to still end up making a mistake. I run Linux exclusively but have always bought cheap Windows PCs to do so. Several times that's come back to bite me with hardware that has no driver, or for which the driver disappears after a time. For example I got a netbook with an Intel graphics chip because I read Intel was the only company with open source 3D drivers at the time...

  • What I saw was open floor space and some tables- small for a "computer factory" tiny if it is also to include warehouse space. A factory requires a massive amount of infrastructure and capital investment. If they are also taking more development on, the amount of test space is significant as well. Commercial rent is not cheap in Denver, nor is the cost of living- I live in Austin, TX- relatively expensive for Texas, and Denver is about 10% higher than here. This is the type of move they need to grow, I'm su

  • Flag this article as trash written by an idiot.
  • by m.alessandrini ( 1587467 ) on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @11:50AM (#56968678)
    Just what the world needed!
    • If they had gone with Fedora and/or CentOS they could have nabbed a slice of the business market. I have nothing against Ubuntu at all, but TPTB in IT shops will go with RedHat based distros more often than not when purposely ordering something for Linux use.

      Not that the OS that comes on it has much bearing. It was quite satisfying the other day taking a brand new server the other day and wiping out the preinstalled Server 2016 to install RHEL 7.

  • pity it's ubuntu and not debian

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