Linux Mint 19 'Tara' Cinnamon Will Be Faster (betanews.com) 61
Mint developers say they feel the app-launching time on the Linux distro seemed slow when using the Cinnamon desktop environment. So, they are working on fixing it. BetaNews reports: Windows build time was four times slower with Cinnamon compared to Metacity, while recovery time was nearly four times slower too. So yes, app-launching on Cinnamon -- as of today -- is slow comparatively. The big benefit to pinpointing a problem, however, is that it is the first step in solving it. And so, Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon will be faster as a result. "We developed a little script and a method to measure how long it took to flood the desktop environment with the creation of 200 windows. We could then measure the time reported by the script to build these 200 windows, and the time it actually took the desktop environment to recover from it and have these windows placed/mapped correctly and ready to be interacted with. Both measures were significantly higher in Cinnamon than in other desktops," says The Linux Mint Team.
The problem: (Score:1)
The window manager is written in fucking JavaScript:
https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/pull/7251 [github.com]
Re:The problem: (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem is not javascript per say. It seems to be in the way gtk3 lays out widgets, and that is now surprisingly slow. When I played with cinnamon with just a few panel extensions it took an extra 10-20 seconds to startup, and naturally my first thought is that it was js. But after profiling it a bit, it became clear gtk3 itself is to blame. I think this was also a primary motivation for Ike to abandon gtk in favor of Qt for all future bungie work.
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Per say? For each speak? Does that make any fucking sense at all?
Don't mindlessly repeat phrases you've heard better-educated people use. It makes you look like a right thick cunt."
George Orwell (Collected Essays, Vol 3).
What a useful and valuable contribution to the technical discussion.
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Don't mindlessly repeat phrases you've heard better-educated people use. It makes you look like a right thick cunt."
George Orwell (Collected Essays, Vol 3).
Oh the irony...
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He's not a cunt per se, just someone who makes a spelling mistake for an otherwise perfectly normal phrase.
Now the type of person who derails a good technical discussion to abuse someone for a spelling mistake on the other hand: /knt/
cunt
nounvulgar slang - an unpleasant or stupid person.
Yeah that fits the definition just fine.
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It's not a perfectly normal phrase. A perfectly normal phrase would be "in itself".
People sprinkle foreign phrases around in order to appear intelligent and erudite; he failed because he's neither.
It's one of those things you should do properly or not at all, like skydiving, invading Russia and creating init systems.
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It's not a perfectly normal phrase.
Oh I get it. You weren't commenting on his spelling, you're just clueless.
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Yeah, you might want to check definitions before you spout off shit. It will make you not look stupid, like in this case:
per se -
by or in itself or themselves; intrinsically.
"it is not these facts per se that are important"
synonyms: in itself, of itself, by itself, in and of itself, as such, intrinsically;
Sure looks like he used it correctly to me.
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He didn't use it at all, dumbass. He wrote "per say".
Comment (Score:2)
I use Cinnamon, on Fedora. I appreciate the effort the Cinnamon team puts into the DE. I use xfce on the less-than-heavyweight systems, and Cinnamon where I can. If Cinnamon gets improvements that let it run everywhere, I'm okay with that!
I look forward to trying the new Cinnamon version!
Mint updates don't piss me off (Score:1, Insightful)
Linux Mint with Cinnamon is one of the few pieces of software that doesn't piss me off. It sucks that it uses systemd, but systemd is less bad than the lack of trust I have in Microsoft. Today, it's all about using software that sucks less than its alternatives. I have no love for software anymore. Okay, maybe I have a little love for Mint. For now. But that's it.
Cinnamon devs, if you can hear me, can you please let me lasso files in Nemo when it's in details view? I'll suck your dick man
Why is decades old UI tech so slow? (Score:2)
Make sure all your activities on the desktop are mirrored in a machine-readable metadata file that is loaded into a JavaScript interpreter, all resources of any type are to be assigned a GUID, and remember to load those DOM sources! I'm sure this is all very important.
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App is short for application.
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App is just shorthand for application. It’s a term that has been used for 3+ decades, aspie.
Blame GTK3 (Score:5, Interesting)
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I might wait until 19 has a KDE version then use that, although the Cinnamon version works just fine for me.
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XFCE. Starts from login to last session restored on a 10-year old laptop with PATA SSD in less than two seconds.
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It's gone GTK3, that's what. Mate has the same slow, syrupy feeling Cinnamon does now, and honestly, Xfce has become what Gnome 2 was. I'd rather have Mate than not have it, but I'd rather have, and do use, Xfce than either.
Why now (Score:1)
One would think that measuring performance would be built in from the start. Both Linux and Windows provide simple low overhead high precision clocks so there is really no excuse for not timing important events.
Beautiful OS (Score:1)