Fedora 23 Released (fedoramagazine.org) 57
An anonymous reader writes: Today marks the release of Fedora 23 for all three main editions: Workstation, Cloud, and Server. This release brings GNOME 3.18, Libre Office 5.0, and Fedora Spins — alternate desktops that provide a different experience. Fedora 23 also includes a version optimized for running on ARM-based systems. You can read the full release notes on their website. "Fedora 23 also has important under-the-hood security improvements, with increased hardening for all compiled software and with insecure SSL3 and RC4 protocols disabled. We've also updated all of the software installed by default in Fedora Cloud Base Image and Fedora Workstation to use Python version 3, and the Mono .NET compatible framework is now at version 4. Perhaps most importantly, Unicode 8.0 support now enables the crucial U1F32D character."
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neither. He's just happy to see you.
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Insightful != inciteful
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Anyone else bored of hearing from anti-systemd people?
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Anyone else bored of hearing from anti-systemd people?
Try doing development that has to interact with it, you'll quickly form the same opinion.
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I'm willing to bet good money that number of systemd services I've written as as high as yours and I love it.
By switching from sysv to systemd my company dropped 1000's of bash, python and C code that was used to start, keep and manage network services and replaced them with 10 line unit files and 5 line bash support scripts.
Your turn.
- Gilboa
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yum? You should be using dnf since Fedora 22.
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> Unless they're dropping systemd, not interested.
Ok, I see your systemd complaint is a full twelve minutes after a loosely related article dropped. You need to up the rate of the systemdQQ cron job or something, get that downtime fixed.
This release brings... (Score:1)
This release brings GNOME 3.18, Libre Office 5.0, and Fedora Spins — alternate desktops that provide a different experience.
Does it also bring Nouveau drivers that don't crash every 48 hours? Because if it doesn't I recommend AMD or Intel display card.... I'm not on their advertising payroll or anything, just a friendly warning form a long time Fedora user.
Unicode 8 support (Score:4, Funny)
Perhaps most importantly, Unicode 8.0 support now enables the crucial U1F32D character.
Hot dog!
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I searched for it and, I have no idea if this link will work, but it's in my address bar!
http://graphemica.com/ [graphemica.com]
I have no idea if that will work so the link from this Google search [google.com] should help - it's the fourth one down on my screen. The one that is, obviously, graphemica.
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And one wanted to
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I thought there was a Unicode code point shortage?
Nope. Originally, Unicode only had room for 65536 code points, but it was extended with Unicode 2.0 to 1,112,064 code points. At least if the Wikipedia page on it [wikipedia.org] is to be believed, only 120,737 characters have been defined as of Unicode 8.0.
Maybe that's just because UTF-8 because has to maintain backward compatibility with ASCII.
Nope, UTF-8 can actually represent even more code points than that, but any encoding that results in a code point value past 0x10FFFF is invalid in UTF-8.
From what I understand, in doing so, it wastes a few hundred other code pages.
Nope. All that "maintaining backward compatibility with ASCII" involves is "encoding code points 0x000000 through
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I know... This is a tech site... I also hate emoji... But, damn it, a hotdog in the URL is just awesome.
Will any team pick up Fedora after being released? (Score:1)
Hopefully this isn't the end of his career.
Running with kde5 since the beta (Score:1)
Multi monitor support is hosed, shutdown sometimes hangs, per-application audio controls are now hard to find, network manager doesn't resize and gets hidden under notifications, dnf is quite like but not quite the same as yum (changelog support obscure, fastest mirrors disabled by default).
All things that used to work fine in fedora 18.
Oh, but the graphics are not flatter and more spaced out.
Open source hates users.
Re:Running with kde5 since the beta (Score:4, Interesting)
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I'm on 22, and I use xfce. Am I safe to upgrade?
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Improvements? (Score:3)
We heard you liked
More and more stuff
So we had to add
More and more cruft
Bloat is the name
Lines of code is the game
Bumping version numbers
Gets us attention again
Sure you don't need
These improvements but we
Need them for vendor
Lock-in you see.
You want something simple
Like green eggs and ham
Don't be a fool
Just eat our spam.
Burma Shave
This post was NOT brought to you by "the crucial U1F32D character," which many of us have survived without until now. What a bunch of hype!
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You obviously do.
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Fedora is free software, and Red Hat uses it to see what will get pulled into their Red Hat / Cent OS distros. Vendor lock in? What on earth vendor lock in is implied here?
Also, how dare you say a hot dog is a non essential character?
http://www.fileformat.info/inf... [fileformat.info]
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Spamming of audit messages to syslog fixed? (Score:2, Interesting)
Fedora 22 user rant here
Is it (audit spamming syslog) fixed ? I have no use for the audit daemon on a home machine.
And no I don't need someone to tell me to filter them out with some convoluted command line to read the fucking system log.
'less /var/log/messages' should be usable, as should the output of dmesg (how the hell they fucked that up I'll never know).
I just checked and wtf is dnf spamming the system log now too? Is this a new fuck-up ? (yum never did this). Oh I see the problem "systemd: Starting d
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I don't even know what it stands for. I always read it as Do Nice Files. Like, make the files nice so I can use the thing? I'm sure it stands for something else.
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Yes. Also: DNF = Does Not Function.
Follow the bug in Bugzilla for audit logging (Score:2)
The Red Hat Bugzilla link you want is Audit events in /var/log/messages [redhat.com].
(dnf-makecache.timer is basically a "systemd-style" cron job for periodically updating your DNF cache)
And finally VNC support? (Score:3, Interesting)
But the real question is: can we finally, after all these years, run a Gnome 3 session over a VNC connection without getting the "Oh no! Something has gone wrong" error and the ridiculous workarounds for that?
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That sounds ugly. Same result with different flavors of VNC?
Makes me wonder how some other virtual display technology would fare with it.
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I was wondering the same thing... VNC is only supposed to be a remote frame buffer protocol, which only needs to be compatible with the frame buffer (e.g. xorg, or an xvfb) and doesn't need to care about anything that runs on top of it. I think vino has some extra semantic compression so it can send fonts, gnome desktop specific primitives etc faster and render them client side instead - that's probably where all the bugs are.
I just stick with basic x11vnc and be done with it, if it's too slow then don't do
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The $1 million question, how do you do ctrl-alt-f1 on a Virtualbox? Enter that and of course the host machine will think it was meant for it and will drop you in the host's full screen console, not the guest's.
Thus if you bork Xorg on a VM and didn't set up ssh or the networking needed for ssh (or a serial console which you connect to.. how, exactly?) then the VM is lost, at least in its current state. Duh.
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It's year of the 6 watt, 14 nanometer Atom (sold as Celeron N or Pentium N).
There is/was some ARM Android laptop, which you likely do not want.
I'm sure someone can make a Tegra laptop right now that will run the whole Xorg, GNU, OpenGL etc. deal but how will you justify selling it to the general public?
So year of linux on the ARM evaluation board.