World's First Tizen Tablet 74
DeviceGuru writes "Japanese firm Systena Corp. has announced what appears to be the world's first Tizen-based tablet, and the first Tizen product of any kind. The unnamed Systena Tizen tablet offers high-end features including a 1.4GHz, quad-core Cortex-A9 system-on-chip, 2GB of RAM, 32GB of flash, a 10.1-inch 1920 x 1200-pixel display, 2-megapixel rear-facing and 0.3-megapixel front-facing cameras, and a microSD slot — specs that approach those of the most powerful Android tablets currently on the market. Japanese carrier and major Tizen backer NTT DoCoMo will sell the device, according to a report by TizenExperts. Last month at the Tizen Developers Conference, NTT DoCoMo and Orange promised Tizen smartphone launches in 2013, presumably using upcoming Samsung Tizen phones, but mentioned nothing about tablets."
For those of you like me who don't have a clue... (Score:5, Informative)
Basically, Tizen is a cross-architecture, open source software platform based on a comprehensive standards-based HTML5 implementation that was designed to support multiple device segments, including the smartphone, tablet, smart TV, netbook, and in-vehicle infotainment (IVI) markets.
Pasted wholesale from
http://linuxgizmos.com/tizen-android-game-changer/
Re:For those of you like me who don't have a clue. (Score:5, Informative)
Thank you for making up for Slashdot's lack.
What he said is true but it misses the main points. The main thing you need to know is that it's based on the Meego system that powered Nokia's last successful phone, the Nokia N9 [wikipedia.org]. Like most of the new systems coming in (FirefoxOS [wikipedia.org] for example) there is no hope of it immediately catching up Android and iOS on apps. HTML5 is becoming the cross platform way to quickly get that range so that's what they always push.
Tizen is more than that; It's NTT DoCoMo's new main smartphone platform and since NTT DoCoMo is where much of mobile innovation starts that makes it important. As ever, the best analysis is he one from Tommi Ahonen [blogs.com]. NTT DoCoMo was strongly into Symbian and pushing Tizen will be their revenge for it being killed.
Tizen can support QT apps [qt-project.org] so the same ones that will work on Sailfish and Blackberry can easily work here. Also Tizen seems to be source code compatible [bada.com] with Bada which has been very successful in the newer mobile phone markets.
Re:For those of you like me who don't have a clue. (Score:4, Informative)
No it's not. Tizen is based on some parts LiMO and large parts Samsung's SLP combined with a general transition from DEB to RPM. It has nothing in common with the N9, which doesn't actually run MeeGo but what would be better called Maemo 6.
NTT DoCoMo are a laggard in mobile technology by most measures. The Galapagos phones that they touted in Japan were advanced for a while but they were all caught off guard by smartphones, particularly the iPhone. Now NTT, their parent company, they tend to be pretty innovative, but not in the mobile space.
The proper thing to say would be "Qt supports Tizen." Tizen itself will not include Qt libraries so any app that uses them will need to include them in their package or statically link.
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Where exactly are these "newer mobile phone markets" where Bada has been very successful?
The markets in developing countries I'm aware of fall into the following camps:
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that commentary is SERIOUSLY weighed.
"This is the year Tizen will ship. Tizen at least initially will feature Samsung's top phones, so imagine the Galaxy S4 but running an evolution of what we saw with MeeGo on Nokia's award-winning N9." take with a grain.. not a grain, take with a sack of salt and five mushrooms. it's so fucking high s***, it's as if he deliberately forgets how similar "yeah this new os xws will be teh shit and our main line! just wait! billions of devices!" promises went before.. hell, wi
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> since NTT DoCoMo is where much of mobile innovation starts
Seriously?!? Japan is probably the only country on Earth whose mobile phone network is more locked down & arbitrarily gimped by carriers than America's. NTT even makes fsck'ing *Verizon* look like the shining light of open, interoperable Android freedom.
Re:For those of you like me who don't have a clue. (Score:5, Funny)
That was my first thought?
Look up at Japan! It's an OS! It's a CPU! I don't know what the fuck it is! Tizen!
Re:For those of you like me who don't have a clue. (Score:5, Informative)
The only thing your copy/pasted explanation says, is that it's an open source OS, which seems like it should be obvious from the context.
A much better explanation is that Tizen is the bastard offspring of MeeGo (Intel/Nokia) and LiMo/SLP/Bada (Samsung).
If you'd really like to punish yourself, you can see the family tree, here:
https://github.com/kumadasu/tizen-history/blob/master/tizen-history.pdf [github.com]
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I do like that map. Though Mer 0.17 has nothing to do with Mer Core but name, it does show that Tizen truly has nothing to do with MeeGo other than Intel's involvement in both.
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It's not the closest of relationships, but you might want to note that little arrow going from MeeGo 1.2 to TizenIVI Preview.
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hey that's actually an useful map. helps when trying to explain tizen to some people.
btw imagine the amount of money put into the whole mess by now, it felt like an employment program 5 years ago already...
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Useful information like that is always left out of the summary to ensure click-throughs.
a Tizen architecture diagram... (Score:5, Informative)
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Its linux and webkit in a shotgun wedding designed by Intel and Samsung because Android was getting so big those players were getting scared.
It may see the light of day in commercial deployment, but I suspect it is really just hanging around for Samsung to use as a threat if it doesn't get its way in dominating the Android Alliance.
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I can see it happening because it doesn't need a lot of resources to get it going.
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It removes some of the overhead of android and gives access to truckloads of applications that don't require much work to port (in comparison to other platforms).
Yep, that's it. Google's obsession with Java and crappy interpreters not to mention weirdo roll yer own application framework leaving out things like standard application exit is inexplicable.
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Samsung dominating the Android Alliance, "You so funny". Right now the hardest thing I am having to do is choose which Android smart phone, so many choices, so close, mostly separated by just one specific feature. Each time I am about to make a choice a new Android phone is announced, to be released soon throwing the decision out again. Screen size 4.5 or 5 inches, now maybe 5.5 or 6 inches, waterproof, stylus, ir blaster and just to make it more interesting hints in substantive drops in price of top end s
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People are speculating that Google's acquisition of Motorola Mobility has Samsung and other Android partners worried. They're afraid that sooner or later Google will put the necessary resources into making sure Motorola has the best Android devices, and start crowding other Android vendors out of the market. If Google starts to do that, every Android sale by Samsung (and HTC, Sony, Huawei, LG, etc...) gives one more pers
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Samsung has a larger marketing budget then all other cell phone companies combined. If people not knowing what Tizen is presents a problem Samsung can fix it.
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How can Tizen compete with that?
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Tizen runs Android applications. Besides we know from sales data that very few people have an investment in Android applications.
As for the UI... over 1/2 the people using Android are using Samsung's UI (TouchWiz) which may be part of Tizen. Anyone who doesn't like TouchWiz and likes the official UI and cares, they aren't possible to switch.
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Which all boils down to, still not so much attacking each others market share but offering a wide range of choice and ruthlessly attacking Apple's market share and keeping M$ way out in the boondocks when it comes to market share. Paying attention to the Japanese market at this time might well forecast what is going to happen to the rest of the world.
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I don't see how this has much to do with Apple. Apple's strategy is at the $600 price point. The more complex it becomes for applications to target $600 Android phones that more that helps Apple.
Microsoft wanted to go up market. But Nokia has chosen to focus mid-market because Windows Phone runs better on worse hardware than Android. Tizen could potentially be a counter move there, but I'm not sure Tizen will be ready in time. I'd suspect that Nokia is down at the $120 price point by 2015 and I don't t
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They haven't spent billions on windows phone marketing unless you are counting subidies which were mainly being offered by carriers to counter the threat of an Apple monopoly. And yes that worked out very well for them. It created a situation where Windows phone in 2012 was supply not demand constrained.
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The Android brand is no longer important.
Best of luck with that.
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Android is open source, so Tizen can incorporate an Android software compatibility layer. However, in order to use the official Google applications for Android - the Maps app, Google Now, the official Gmail app, etc.... - you have to ag
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Aren't they releasing stock Android versions of the S4? People do miss 'real' Android. The Samsung skin takes away far more value than it adds, in my opinion, and obviously many others as well.
Re:For those of you like me who don't have a clue. (Score:4, Insightful)
When was Android last mentioned by Samsung? Their brand lies now with Galaxy, not Android. Samsung Galaxy is basically an industry synonym for Android (high-end) phone today. They likely intend to use this brand value to eventually ship Tizen phones as Galaxy phones, and if skinned with same UI and some Android compatibility layer for apps, nobody is missing Android.
dunno.. how about the last time they released an android phone.. like, last week.
and I have no doubt that you can quite easily find Samsung people who will say that all their phones will run Tizen in 2 years. I can tell you however that numbers walk and personal hopes talk. in 2006 Tampere, Finland you had no shortage of people saying that in 2008 maemo will be nokias main smartphone platform. so take it with a grain of salt and execs are not likely to mess with big seller lines. in other words the android experience with tizen has to be indistinguishable from android phone, including google play support - it might just as well be an android phone then.
Tizen on Cortex? (Score:2)
Wasn't Tizen supposed to be Intel's project on having a native environment for the Atom? The successor to Meego - moving away from Qt based Meego and to a more neutral development platform?
In which case, shouldn't any Tizen platforms be Atom based? For any Cortex or other ARM based platforms, wouldn't something like Android, Ubuntu Tablet, Plasma Active or something else be more natively supported?
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My heart is all A TIZEN.
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I put on my robe & wizard hat (Score:1, Funny)
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The answer is define run.
Tizen is Linux based. So same kernel as Android and Ubuntu. If you can unlock the bootloader most likely no reason why a Ubuntu firmware could not be installed.
Tizen at this stage does not have virtual machines like Android does that allow Ubuntu to run inside Android. Again you can expect those to come as the platform Applications mature. But since Tizen can run Android applications yes its possible to run Ubuntu inside.
Result is an answer somewhere between yes and maybe
Hardly high end (Score:1)
And the Tizen licensing scheme isn't exactly simple...
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Its clearly a club hanging from Samsung belt. But I doubt they will want to use it to try to build much in the way of consumer devices because the rich application and interoperability that Android already has. I suspect it is a threat which will be used to leverage control of Android away from the Android Alliance so that Samsung can dominate it.
I think the time for that has come and gone. No sooner had Samsung engineered the near demise of HTC than Sony and ZTE and Huawei, and LG started surging.
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I'm not convinced that the biggest companies involved really see "rich application and interoperability" as a good thing.
If they're not going to sell these things in both unlocked and Wi-Fi only configurations, they're not looking out for us. If they do, they'll be celebrated and popular.
They're going to fight this battle as long as possible, b
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It's a tablet. Do you see the word "tablet" in the summary?
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BTW, why did Android/Google feel it necessary to screw randomly with the standard Unixy top level dir layout? Just to piss everybody off? They succeeeded.
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Because Android was closed source during initial development up until Google bought it and opened it, so they did whatever the hell they wanted.
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BTW, why did Android/Google feel it necessary to screw randomly with the standard Unixy top level dir layout? Just to piss everybody off? They succeeeded.
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specs that approach those of the most powerful (Score:2)
those are specs of $150 Chinese Tablet (1K moq)
1920 x 1200-pixel resolution (Score:3)
You call that a camera? (Score:2)
"...2-megapixel rear-facing and 0.3-megapixel front-facing cameras..."
Uh...I hate to be assuming and/or downright stereotypical here, but isn't Japan kinda...ah...known for it's camera enthusiasts?
Perhaps it rivals tablets in other specs, but I think I left my 0.3 megapixel camera back in 1997...
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You seem to have failed to understand the words "front-facing". It's a VGA camera for the purpose of videoconferencing. At typical mobile data rates, that's a realistic resolution to support for this purpose.
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That, and if someone uses a 10" tablet as a camera they probably aren't the sort that cares much about picture quality anyway.
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why do you think they will take less memory?
me thinks you need to take a bit out of that cyanogen. leaving flash with just 35mb of free sounds plausible but 35mbytes of ram sounds like a strange config for official gingerbread phone. what phone is it anyways?
(if you're stuffing it with 4.1... why the fuck?)
high end? (Score:2)
They are very average specs for a branded Android tablet.
Still good to have more choice though.