Fedora Adds MATE and Cinnamon Desktops to Main Repository, Releases Beta 56
Already available in third party repositories, the GNOME 2 fork MATE and GNOME 3 fork Cinnamon will now be included in Fedora 18. From the H: "After almost two months' delay, the Fedora Project has released the first and final beta of Fedora 18. The distribution, which is code-named 'Spherical Cow,' includes the MATE desktop – a continuation of the classic GNOME 2 interface – in its repositories for the first time. Fedora 18's default edition uses GNOME 3.6.2 as its interface and a separate KDE Spin provides the KDE Software Collection 4.9.3; Xfce 4.10 and version 1.6.7 of Linux Mint's Cinnamon are also available from the distribution's repositories."
Will MATE make it into RHEL? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Will MATE make it into RHEL? (Score:5, Interesting)
I would guess that it is practically a given. RHEL7 is supposedly going to be forked from F18.
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I would guess that it is practically a given. RHEL7 is supposedly going to be forked from F18.
I would guess not. Though RHEL7 will be based on F18 or thereabouts, RHEL only includes a subset of the packages that exist in Fedora. Remember that Red Hat will be supporting the packages for 10 years. They'll choose the package subset with care. But on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised to see MATE in EPEL7.
Re:Will MATE make it into RHEL? (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, that could well be the case too, since they don't include Xfce as it is. Of course the savvy user knows that he just needs to enable the EPEL repo to get Xfce.
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All right; it's a fair statement that "forked from" is an oversimplification. "Based on" might be more accurate.
RHEL 2.1 was based on Red
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I've got one guy on gnome3 and he loves it but others just think it's too weird and want something that looks like gnome2 (so they are currently on gnome2), or a minority on KDE, XFCE, fluxbox, E16 or E17.
My one and only problem with gnome3 is deliberately breaking gnome2 compatibility in an incredibly stupid way -
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I really recommend you give Gnome3 a chance. There is a lot of hate towards it that I don't understand. It is just new ... that's all. It still does everything I expect from a window manager.
I even like it. Took a little while but I also have an older machine with Gnome2 and I find it almost unusable and archaic when I have to use it. I really, really recommend you give gnome3 a good chance.
ps. I was also mister no transitions, no wobbly windows ... don't waste my cycles with gnome2.
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Replying simply to undo inadvertent mod (didn't mean to click the drop down whilst scrolling the page ;)
But whilst I'm at it Gnome 3 is absolutely not worth a try. The gnome project should be buried as of this point. Their attitude towards their users was so disgracefully arrogant that every developer associated with gnome should be permanently sent to pariah land.
There is no way in hell anything from that bunch of self righteous pricks is geting anywhere near a system of mine again.
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No love for MS... (Score:4, Funny)
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It's called Unity.
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Hi Linus! (Score:2)
So troll me.
Choice is GOOD (Score:2, Insightful)
No doubt this will prompt the weenies to suggest (for the two thousandth time) that everyone who freely chose to work on these individual projects should drop everything, "join forces", and devote their precious time and effort to one unified project. What these people somehow missed -- even though it is blindingly obvious -- is that each of those developers freely chose to work on their project -- based on their own personal goals, not yours. And the reason why all of these projects are individually succes
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That is by no stretch of the imagination a huge effort.
It is also something that can and is delegated to power users.
The Ubuntu variant of this is a good example.
first step, include software (Score:1)
second step......
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Profit?
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no, thats step 3, everybody knows that!!!! (hehe)
Why bother, XFCE is all you need (Score:5, Interesting)
After struggling to use Gnome 3 since Fedora officially released it, I recently tried XFCE again and was blown away with how fast and suitable it is. The defaults are good and there are tons of options to customize it back to the similar paradigm Gnome 2 was. I couldn't believe how much faster my machine felt after switching. Even moving Firefox tabs was better!
I gave G3 PLENTY of time and never could feel comfortable with it even after slowly adding extension after extension to get something workable. The visual component of a desktop is important, and the G3 simply hides too much that is necessary to use it. It's like having a car with no dashboard. The so-called "easy"methods to reveal open windows and find applications are hard to discover, require too much input and memory, and are too slow.
After this weekend's pleasurable re-discovery of the improved XFCE, I'm never going back. Gnome doesn't matter any more to me.
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Xfce 4.10 is very, very good. It has an excellent selection of applets. Automount of removable media and easy unmount support is good. You can now customize both the desktop icons and objects in the file manager to activate on single click (happens to be a must for me).
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Try comparing XFCE with Gnome2 or Mate on a low spec machine. XFCE is actually slower and uses more resources! It might have started out as a lightweight design, but it didn't stay that way.
Re:Why bother, XFCE is all you need (Score:4, Funny)
TWM, on the other hand, runs as fast as ever and has no need for useless cruft.
All you kids with your Gee-nomes and Kiddums and Ex-feeces can just get off my lawn.
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Have you tried G3 in fallback mode? (Score:1)
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If you think XFCE is fast, give LXDE a try, blows it out of the water.
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I've been plugging this for a while. Fedora+XFCE the most usable and stable linux desktop I've ever used. (The XFCE "spin" comes with XFCE installed/default)
XFCE is clean and simple and consistent. It's lightweight but functional. It's visually pleasant and not gaudy. It's familiar yet well suited for it's job. (Lets face it, after nearly decade of being the most popular OS in the world, XP's UI is pretty much the standard by which all others are based)
I've also grown to appreciate Fedora in general. It's s
openSUSE (Score:3, Informative)
Fedora is late, as usual, due to its lack of manpower. Compare with the amount of desktop environments supported in openSUSE:
* Afterstep http://software.opensuse.org/package/afterstep [opensuse.org]
* cinnamon http://software.opensuse.org/package/cinnamon [opensuse.org]
* GNOME 2 and 3: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME_repositories [opensuse.org]
* KDE 3 and 4: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories [opensuse.org] http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3 [opensuse.org]
* LXDE http://en.opensuse.org/LXDE_repositories [opensuse.org]
* MATE http://en.opensuse.org/MATE [opensuse.org]
* Qt Desktop http://software.opensuse.org/package/razorqt [opensuse.org]
* sugar http://software.opensuse.org/package/sugar [opensuse.org]
* xfce http://software.opensuse.org/package/patterns-openSUSE-xfce [opensuse.org]
Lots of window managers, too: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/windowmanagers/openSUSE_12.2 [opensuse.org]
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Fedora has cinnamon, LXDE, Xfce and Sugar (Fedora is the basis of the official Sugar Labs builds, actually), and a bunch of others. MATE just happens to be getting some press at the moment.
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Fedora has Cinnamon and Sugar? Big Deal!
Microsoft has High Fructose Corn Syrup.
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That all you got? [debian.org]
Yes, I know. MATE [mate-desktop.org] and Cinnamon [sourceforge.net] aren't in the official repositories yet, but that's only a matter of getting a bigger hammer.
To be fair, there is a big difference between having a desktop environment and window manager which run on a system and having all of its features fully integrated and supported. I can quite happily run FVWM on my desktop, but things start getting awkward when I run an application which expects to find a dock or notification area from Gnome.
Now if only they would fix the systemd bloat (Score:1)
As it is unreliable, buggy, and just plain wrong.
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As it is unreliable, buggy, and just plain wrong.
Indeed. If something is going to be wrong, I prefer that it have sprinkles on top. Plain wrong is just boring.
Mate-desktop-fedora 17 i386 (Score:1)
EH! Kind of old news to fedora users
I love cinnamon but only in food (Score:1)
I don't know what version of Cinnamon is available for Fedora 16 but it just crashed my system after using up 14.8Gb of virtual mem. It was promptly deleted as soon as I logged in again.
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blah blah blah I made a mistake and I'm blaming cinnamon blah blah blah
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blah blah blah I made a mistake and I'm blaming cinnamon blah blah blah
I installed cinnamon on Ubuntu and it was dookie there, too, which is odd since the dist it was made for is just a tweaked Ubuntu. Not only did it take almost half a minute to start (I have an SSD, Unity takes just a couple seconds) but it was flaky and crashy thereafter. Cinnamon ain't ready for primetime, sorry.
Still would use another distro (Score:1)
Requiring dbus on a server that does not run a graphical interface is useless. Plus since fedora *is* gnomeos basically, support for other desktops will be nonexistent.
Cinnamon experiences... (Score:1)
Personally, I do not really get all the hype around Cinnamon. In my experience, it is unstable, bug ridden and hard to use.
MATE, on the other, works like charm for me. My last linux upgrade was painful voyage trying Ubuntu Unity, Gnome 3, Xfce, Cinnamon... finding no love with either. But then, Mint MATE, I fell in love immediately - everything works out of box as expected.
KDE and Razor QT (Score:4, Interesting)
Do they use Gnome 3 libs? (Score:2)
Sure some apps (GIMP in particular) still need the older libraries but the world needs to move to 3.
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Fedora keyboard support (Score:1)
I really want to use Fedora, but I type in the Colemak keyboard layout, and I can't figure out how to change the system default to Colemak (to work both at the login screen and after logging in).