The Release Candidate For Linux Mint 14 "Nadia" Is Out 295
First time accepted submitter Type44Q writes "Well, the latest edition of Mint is finally here (the release candidate, anyway); according to The Linux Mint Blog, 'For the first time since Linux Mint 11, the development team was able to capitalize on upstream technology which works and fits its goals. After 6 months of incremental development, Linux Mint 14 features an impressive list of improvements, increased stability and a refined desktop experience. We're very proud of MATE, Cinnamon, MDM and all the components used in this release, and we're very excited to show you how they all fit together in Linux Mint 14.'"
Full-disk encryption? (Score:5, Informative)
FDE is good for privacy and security; as EFF's article notes, having it be as simple as possible to set up can only be a good thing. If this new version of Linux Mint features this FDE option, I will strongly consider switching to it, and will certainly try it out at the very least.
Re:Full-disk encryption? (Score:5, Insightful)
There is still no FDE in Mint 14. Even worse, the reports I've read suggest that Mint 14 broke the popular howoto hack [linuxmint.com]. The feature voting board [linuxmint.com] was recently updated to say this feature was "selected" though. Hopefully that means it will be coming in Mint 15. Linux distributions are useless to me without encryption; you're basically saying "this is not meant for real work" to every business user who might consider it. It's a shame that Mint isn't ready to fill in yet for companies who are pushed away from Microsoft OSes by the mess around Windows 8.
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FDE is mandatory for keeping all of the data on a stolen laptop from being exposed. It allows something that is broken to be repairs without fear that the repair company will get access to everything as well. That someone might give up their key if pressed for it--via violence, court order, or stealth [schneier.com]--doesn't mean it's useless to use in the general case.
Minty Goodness (Score:4)
Mint "Just Works". Installs easy, does everything that I want without headaches.
And with Vista in a Virtual machine I can even run Quickbooks, the single program that forced to boot into Windows once a month for bookkeeping and invoicing.
I've got enough years of computers behind me that I really want easy, reliable, and stable. Mint does all of those things.
LMDE - Linux Mint Debian Edition (Score:2)
Been using mint debian edition as my daily desktop for awhile. I'm really loving the polish and look of Mate on Mint. Went with the debian edition as I'm tired of Ubuntu and its anti competitive behavior. But the biggest issue I'm running is neither are rolling releases. I have a mixed LMDE and Debian testing running which has been mostly ok.
Also, running mate which is based grtk2 you have to use a theme that looks good on gtk2 & gtrk3.
I see the mate team talking about moving to gtk3, but no idea if its
It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (Score:5, Funny)
I like the idea that Mint includes a lot of stuff out of the box (mp3 etc). However most people now have moved onto the Unity interface. I don't see that as an option, which makes it seem a bit ancient.
Phillip.
Re:It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (Score:5, Informative)
Not sure if troll. The whole point of Linux Mint, and being based on Ubuntu, is that it *doesnt* use Unity. If you want Unity, use Ubuntu.
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Why would you want that? I thought the point of Mint was having a Linux desktop with an interface that is not a piece of shit!
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That's the whole point of Mint. If you want Unity, just install Ubuntu.
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Thank you for starting the obligatory unity flame thread.
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this is slashdot.
we're not usually 'unity gain stable'.
(wait, will software geeks get that?)
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However most people now have moved onto the Unity interface. I don't see that as an option, which makes it seem a bit ancient
Let's be honest, if you think Unity is the next 'big thing' then you've got your head up Mark Shuttleworth's arse. Just because it comes from Canonical, it doesn't mean it's good.
If you put some thought into it, it's rather clear how Unity is (at best) an average desktop interface and a terrible tablet interface. It's incredibly unstable, poorly thought out and simply not configurable. It would serve quite averagely as a touch screen desktop productivity GUI. To top it off, Gnome 3 is actually a better
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Let's be honest. You didn't get the joke.
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And This is About... (Score:2)
Maybe everybody but me keeps up with all the strange little Linux distros. But I don't. So just for stupid people like me, could all these breathless distro update announcements take just a little time to explain why I should give a shit about their distro? What does it have to offer that better-known distros do not?
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As others mentioned before, Mint is not some "little" distro, it is possibly the most popular Linux distro now.
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and netcraft...
... is silent on the issue.
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Yep, so it is (according to ZDNet). And you know something? I never heard of it before. Maybe that says I'm not paying attention — or maybe it says that nobody cares about desktop Linux any more.
You want us to care? Tell us why.
Because Windows is failing to make an impact in the modern world, but Linux owns it :). Your trolling
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Well, the Mint team also develops Cinnamon (Gnome 3 fork) and supports Mate (Gnome 2 fork). So if you want a good, modern Linux desktop, this is pretty much the distro to get.
I can install those on Ubuntu, and then I get to keep using PPAs, and Ubuntu software center. What do I actually get out of installing mint that I don't get with Ubuntu? So far I know of at least one thing (full disk encryption) that I don't get with mint that I do get with Ubuntu.
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If you think Mate is a strange little Linux distro you are clearly not up to date.
What it has to offer that other well-known distros have not? Well, a more traditional Gnome interface that Gnome Shell or Unity.
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Hey, I said I was stupid, didn't I? And we stupid people have trouble keeping up with stuff.
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If this is just about the user interface, why is this a distro and not a shell? A decent distro makes it easy to change the shell.
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If this is just about the user interface, why is this a distro and not a shell? A decent distro makes it easy to change the shell.
Yes its easy on Linux, unfortunately not so easy on Windows where you are forced to use an Screen full of advertisements.
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And that's relevant because....
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It's both, you can get the shell on Ubuntu through a PPA. Which does come back to your original question, why is this a distribution, and not just a PPA?
Re:And This is About... (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe everybody but me keeps up with all the strange little Linux distros.
Short Answer : There is only Ubuntu
Longer Answer: If your not interested in Linux your shouldn't. That is the short answer, and even if you are interested in linux you shouldn't. The reality is. Distributions [Distro for short] are just that collections packages [Applications/Modules Building Blocks that make up a modern OS with sensible selection of programs] together in essence a kernel[BSD/Linux] Userland[GNU] + Display Server[X and Wayland] + Windows Manager[KDE/Gnome/XFCE] + Office Package[LibreOffice Calligra Suite] + Internet Browser....you get the idea.
Now because Linux can be tailored for different processors processors [ARM;Mips...] different community is [Religious Christianity and Location Brazilian] Specialist [Boot Disks; Extra Secure]...but if your using any of these then you know why! there is even a Ubuntu Satanic Edition http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/ [ubuntusatanic.org] Satanists.
But mainstream there really is only Debian, Ubuntu(Popular Debian variant), and Fedora(You have heard of Red Hat) [Yes I could easily add a couple more :)]. In context of this article Mint should be considered Ubuntu without Unity[Its own Metro nighmare]
Seriously install a distribution its not hard.
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You know, I can't make a whole lot of sense out of your writing. Which fits. You can't be bothered to express yourself clearly
Having reread my post. Its not bad. The reality is I use "Mint because I do not want or use Unity"...and your right, its confusing blobs, but its no less confusing than I'm "sticking with windows 7 because I don't want Metro".
The worrying think here is you have posted 8 times in this forum, actually proud at your basic lack of knowledge. You are I suspect being disingenuous.
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The worrying think here is you have posted 8 times
Yeah, nothing wrong with your writing.
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Maybe everybody but me keeps up with all the strange little Linux distros. But I don't. So just for stupid people like me, could all these breathless distro update announcements take just a little time to explain why I should give a shit about their distro? What does it have to offer that better-known distros do not?
Should I give a shit about Windows 8, which is getting tons of mentions everywhere but is a huge step backwards? I don't care about it, but guess what, lots of people do. Same deal with you and Mint, which is the top desktop Linux distro today. It is not strange or little in any way. Linux Mint has become what Ubuntu intended to be - an easy to use distro that is complete, has plenty of community support, and makes for a great desktop OS, though it is now even better than Ubuntu and is gaining market share
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Bottom line is that the arrogant Gnome developers gave everyone who uses Gnome no choice.
To be fair you can't blame Gnome on this one. I agree with what you have posted, but Mint replaced Unity with Cinnomon [and Mate] not Gnome shell. Its actually a subtle difference.
If they have fixed the bug... (Score:2)
...whereby it dies on closing the lid on a toshiba NB550d, I shall sacrifice many fatted oxen on the appropriate altar.
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Mint 14 does include support for AMD Trinity APUs (Score:2)
Which while being a little late is still nice.
sorry, done (Score:2)
the last 3 versions of mint have been nothing but a headache to me, good luck to you mint, but I am done riding this bus of half broken, poorly executed, mess
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I recently installed Mint on this old Dell desktop with no problems at all; including a newish ATI graphics card. No headaches, no compiling of utilities or messing with X.
I don't give any credence to your argument. I have been in the trenches with *nix for almost two decades. Mint won me over from Suse, who I thought was the most user friendly.
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a phenom II
Thinking of switching to PCLinuxOS (Score:3)
I was thinking of switching from Ubuntu to PCLinuxOS, because I want to use a computer without ever needing to reinstall, in other words, rolling releases.
Mint looks really nice, but I don't think it has rolling releases.
Has anyone else used that PCLinuxOS, and how is it? Any better rolling releases distros out there that aren't too hard to install and set up?
Mint does have a rolling release option (Score:2)
The debian edition of mint is usable (though less friendly than ubuntu version) and is a rolling release. It updates slow though and I'm used to distro versions where I can easily know what version I'm running.
Re:Thinking of switching to PCLinuxOS (Score:4, Funny)
"I was thinking of switching from Ubuntu to PCLinuxOS, because I want to use a computer without ever needing to reinstall, in other words, rolling releases."
You could try that "Debian" thing, I think it's a fork of Ubuntu or somethin'....
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What if I use XCFE? (Score:2)
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It goes both ways, there's no reason to use Xubuntu over XFCE mint. Both are the same OS, the difference is default selection of software, wallpapers, theme and set up of panels and start menu. Arguably Mint is less gimmicky and looks less dated, from screenshots Xubuntu looks like a dark, poor man's OSX rip off whereas Mint Xfce gives you a taskbar on the bottom, a better start menu, is themed white / light gray. It also has LibreOffice instead of Abiword.
This is weird (Score:5, Insightful)
I have trouble taking Mint seriously. I only hear about it when people complains about Unity.
No, seriously, every single time I hear about Mint is because there's some controversial thing about Ubuntu and a lot of guys come in saying "I moved to Mint years ago because I am tired of $NEWS_TOPIC". At times there are also Mint comments even if the news about Ubuntu are good (I am sure I saw a "I moved to Mint..." routine on a few of the Steam for Linux news reports in Ubuntu-related news sites).
I am skeptic about how valid Distrowatch's score is. Until I find a real happy user as opposed to someone complaining about Canonical in every Ubuntu-related news, it just sounds like haters got busy inflating scores (wouldn't be the first time something of the sort happens). Everyone I know uses the same usual subjects, and while anecdote is not proof, I've met a sizable amount of Linux users from being a developer. Not even a single issue reported by Mint users.
So, is there someone using Mint for any reason that is not spiting Canonical? I'd like to know, just to make sure I receive information not coming from people giving the impression of being zealots. They seriously need some PR as opposed to just say bad things about the competition.
It's like that commenter above that asked about what made Mint good and didn't get a single answer other than "it's not Ubuntu".
Nothing weird (Score:4, Informative)
I am skeptic about how valid Distrowatch's score is.....It's like that commenter above that asked about what made Mint good and didn't get a single answer other than "it's not Ubuntu".
You should read through the comments. People on the whole love Debian, and love Ubuntu's spin on Debian. Most mint users also *love* Ubuntu. What they don't love is "Unity" They love "Cinnomon". In fact thats what they talk about in the summary.
Unity
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface) [wikipedia.org]
Cinnamon
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http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ [linuxmint.com]
Look at the pictures. One comes with a menu panel...the other a full screen of applications icons similar to a smartphone.
People are not zealots, they are exercising choice on a platform that allows it. In fact Mint is basically Ubuntu with Unity replace with Cinnamon. In fact so many people prefer cinnamon over unity mint has become the most popular download on distrowatch.
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I immediately install KDE4 (at least the core) as soon as I finish installing Ubuntu. I am also exercising my choice to not use Unity, just without needing to change the whole distro.
And I am not exactly saying they are zealots, but that they sound like that because of the negative context surrounding most comments promoting Mint.
Also, isn't Cinnamon always composited (AKA 3D-accelerated)?
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I immediately install KDE4....And I am not exactly saying they are zealots
I see your promoting something by calling the other side zealots...its kind of sad that we live in that world. KDE is an excellent windows manager [and XFCE is too]. Many people including myself love Gnome and gnome applications...we are just not particularly enamoured by either Unity of Gnome Shell [even though they have got an awful lot better]. There is friendly competition between Gnome and KDE, but its just that friendly.
Personally having noticed E17 is at alpha, it the first time I have been excited f
Perhaps Ubuntu Should Die Now (Score:3)
Ubuntu screwed up with Unity, which did more to divide the Linux landscape than any other event in recent history. Mint has been working harder than anyone to make sure people can work hard with a useful desktop. Thank you all.
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Well aren't you all bitter. What's the problem, no one in your life to name anything after?
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Maybe he's just angry that they didn't nickname it "Nyder" :-)
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:5, Funny)
Me, If i developed anything and name it nice names, like "Fuckoff" "sloppyshit", "kludge", and "ididyourmom"
Lemme guess, you're involved in the GIMP project?
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's a hint for you: N is the 14th letter of the alphabet.
Alternative (Score:4, Informative)
Who the fuck modded this insightful!? Yes, Sherlock, it's the 14th letter of the alphabet. Thanks for your "clue".
Why the vile? Here, have some knowledge:
Names of full releases, see the pattern? Female names alphabetically.
Ada
Barbara
Cassandra
Daryna
Elyssa
Felicia
Gloria
Helena
Isadora
Katya
Lisa
Maya
Nadia
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Here's a hint for you: N is the 14th letter of the alphabet.
Depends on what alphabet you use.
Which is relevant considering how short the US one will last.
There's a US alphabet now? How does it differ from the English one?
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:4, Interesting)
It should read "whoever started"
"whoever" is performing the action (started), it is the subject of that clause.
Don't try to use proper English if you don't know the rules.
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You don't like code names? Then WTF are you doing on a geek web site?
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:5, Funny)
It's much better than ubuntu - with names like "Wanking Warthog", "Horny Heron", and "Onanistic Ocelot", it's no wonder corporations don't take them seriously.
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it's no wonder corporations don't take them seriously.
"The Chicago Mercantile Exchange employs an all-Linux computing infrastructure and has used it to process over a quadrillion dollars worth of financial transactions[82][83]
The Chi-X pan-European equity exchange runs its MarketPrizm trading platform software on Linux.[83]
The London Stock Exchange uses the Linux based MillenniumIT Millennium Exchange software for its trading platform and predicts that moving to Linux from Windows will give it an annual cost savings of at least £10 million ($14.7 million
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I don't care about the name and just hope LM14 works and Cinnamon progresses, though I still pref
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It's much better than ubuntu - with names like "Wanking Warthog", "Horny Heron", and "Onanistic Ocelot", it's no wonder corporations don't take them seriously.
Yeah right its the name!?
Unlike Microsoft - Whistler, Longhorn, Blackbomb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames [wikipedia.org]
Android - Cupcake, Donught, Eclair ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history [wikipedia.org]
Linux Pink Farting Weasel, Holy Dancing Manatees, Batman!, Jeff Thinks I Should Change This, But To What?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names [wikipedia.org]
OS X Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X [wikipedia.org]
The adoption rate in enterprise has clearly nothing to do wit
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:4, Informative)
well, before jumping to conclusions you should have looked up previous names:
1.0 - Ada
2.0 - Barbara
2.1 - Bea
2.2 - Bianca
3.0 - Cassandra
3.1 - Celena
4.0 - Daryna
5 LTS - Elyssa
6 - Felicia
7 - Gloria
8 - Helena
9 LTS - Isadora
10 - Julia
11 - Katya
12 - Lisa
13 LTS - Maya
14 - Nadia
This way it makes much more sense, doesn't it?
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Whomever started this naming version releases by nick name should be shot. Is this named Nadia because that is the wife of the main developer and he had to show some love otherwise he's never get some love again?
Me, If i developed anything and name it nice names, like "Fuckoff" "sloppyshit", "kludge", and "ididyourmom"
I guess we all need to feel cool.
Well, Clement Lefebvre has been naming his Mint releases since he started the project, something like six years ago, so I doubt he is going to stop now just because a few people think the whole concept is dumb. And you are free to create something and name it "fuckoff" or "sloppyshit" if you so desire. In fact, I recommend you go spend some time on that and less time whining here.
Ripping on other people's projects for no reason is childish.
I guess we all need to feel cool.
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:5, Interesting)
Nadia,
Meaning: Hope (in Ukrainian, diminutive form in Bulgarian/Polish/Russian, etc.)
Moist and dewy[1] (in Arabic)
Dew in Persian
Courtesy of Wikipedia
Its from Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars Trilogy, Nadezhda “Nadia” Chernyshevski is Maya’s best friend...Maya was the name of Mint 13 :)
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:5, Funny)
Nadia,
Moist and dewy
I think I know her.
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:4, Funny)
This is completely off-topic... but I'd really like to change that to "Maoist and dewy", and see how long it took anyone to catch on.
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:4, Interesting)
Nadia, Meaning: Hope (in Ukrainian, diminutive form in Bulgarian/Polish/Russian, etc.) Moist and dewy[1] (in Arabic) Dew in Persian
Courtesy of Wikipedia
Its from Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars Trilogy, Nadezhda “Nadia” Chernyshevski is Maya’s best friend...Maya was the name of Mint 13 :)
Also means "rivers" in Hindi
Re:names are so cool, not! (Score:5, Funny)
There is no such a word in Persian. I have never heard such a word in Persian during my 40 years of life.
I've never heard more than a handful of words in Persian during my 30 years of life, but I don't deny the rest of the language exists...
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Apple shills are getting strange.
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No, a jackass is one who thinks that it's cute and funny to introduce confusing reference designation schemes ...
No, a Jackass is one who stubbornly complains about things of little significance, and antagonizes others instead of doing anything productive at all. Sound familiar? It should.
Debian Lenny. [snip dubious claims of friendship].
The names are just codenames, you know like everyone uses: "Longhorn", "Chicago", "Tiger", "Snow Leopard", etc. They don't matter in the least bit except to the devs and irrational people like you. Debian is from the names Deborah and Ian, who started the distro. Lenny and the other names used for Debian releases are from the
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Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What? (Score:5, Funny)
This would sum it up well for you: -
MATE is basically a less ugly version of all GNOME releases; CINNAMON is even better.
Re:What? (Score:4, Informative)
Cinnamon is just a fork of Gnome Shell from Gnome3, but proper in appearance and operation and with actual working applets like Gnome2 and in general discarding all the garbage in the "real" Gnome Shell.
Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)
Disclaimer: I have used Mate but I have not used Cinnamon.
AIUI Mate and cinnamon are two different approaches to the same problem.
The problem being that the gnome developers decided to throw out the boring but functional gnome2 and replace it with the radical gnome3 and further the distro vendors decided to allow gnome3 to take the package names previously used by gnome2 thereby screwing those users who wanted to stick with the desktop they knew while upgrading the rest of their OS (and things are sufficiantly tightly coupled in the linux world that sticking with an old OS version is not really a reasonable option).
The mate approach has been to fork gnome2 and rename the components to remove the config. This produced immediate results but long term leaves them with a load of forked stuff that perhaps doesn't really need to be forked and no easy way of getting any good stuff that comes out of gnome3. The cinnamon approach is to try and build a traditional GUI within the gnome3 framework, this avoids relying on outdated and barely maintained foundations but it also means a lot more work upfront and probablly more user visible change and runs the risk that gnome will decide to screw everyone again.
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to remove the config
That should have said to remove the conflict.
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I use Mint 13 and still have no idea if I am running MATE or Cinnamon nor do I really care. It works just fine for me. It will be nice to find out the major differences between the too, which one you are currently using and how to switch to the other one.
Re:What? (Score:4, Insightful)
There was a time when you could expect people on Slashdot to know about the most popular Linux desktop distro and not need to be spoon-fed that information.
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Microsoft, Apple et al used shills and reputation managers to chase anyone interested in technology away.
Now Slashdot is full of marketing drones trying to flog their latest product, and their only interest in Linux is ensuring nobody wants to try it.
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Yes, it is. It absorbed a lot of Ubuntu's user base.
I'd like a source for that claim.
Ubuntu's core appeal as a client OS is not to the hardcore FOSS and Linux geek.
In a 2012 Lifehacker poll for Linux distributions, Ubuntu and its variants received 51% of the overall vote, followed by Linux Mint with 16%.
User agent counting suggests Ubuntu is the most popular Linux distribution for web clients, generating between 0.5%and 0.72 of Internet traffic.
Ubuntu (operating system): Adoption and Reception [wikipedia.org]
Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)
Mint is on the lead since the beginning of 2012:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/246826/as_2012_dawns_mint_leads_the_list_of_top_linux_distros.html [pcworld.com]
And was in first place at least until August 2012:
http://www.zdnet.com/the-5-most-popular-linux-distributions-7000003183/ [zdnet.com]
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And was in first place at least until August 2012
Stephen Vaughan-Nichols of ZD Net went on to say:
Well even though I like (the) relatively new Unity interface, a lot of other people really don't. I think that mostly it's because while Unity is great for new users who aren't especially computer savvy, a lot of Linux professionals find it gets in the way -- and, of course, experienced old Linux hands are exactly the kind of people who visit DistroWatch.
That said, Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth thinks the operating system will see 20 million new PCs sold with Ubuntu in 2012, and that's not counting people who install it. Those people will also largely be new computer users. If Ubuntu can get most of the new users coming to Linux, I think they'll be happy even if they're no longer as popular with old-guard Linux desktop users.
http://www.zdnet.com/the-5-most-popular-linux-distributions-7000003183/ [zdnet.com]
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Mint is an end-user distribution targeted to the same public that uses Ubuntu. The main difference between them is the UI. Mint decided to keep the traditional UI, while Ubuntu chose to go to Unity,
Mint is on the lead since the beginning of 2012:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/246826/as_2012_dawns_mint_leads_the_list_of_top_linux_distros.html [pcworld.com]
And was in first place at least until August 2012:
http://www.zdnet.com/the-5-most-popular-linux-distributions-7000003183/ [zdnet.com]
I've been using Linux Mint as a replacement for Ubuntu after Ubuntu tried to Mac-ify the UI.
I want a desktop Linux distro as a drop in replacement for Windows that I can use in situations where there is no requirement for Windows software. So I don't want to have to modify the UI to get it looking the same for people who have learned how to use a computer by rote memorisation on Windows. If I wanted to modify everything I'd be installing Debian or Gentoo.
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There was a time when you could expect people on Slashdot to know about the most popular Linux desktop distro and not need to be spoon-fed that information.
There is nothing informative about "an impressive list of improvements, increased stability and a refined desktop experience". At the very least the summary could have contained something detailed or specific about the distro release apart from its name.
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Yes, there should have been a description of what is new in that version. But that's something different from describing what Linux Mint actually is.
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So you're too lazy to simply click that link in the summary body, right?
Re:What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?
Ubuntu is the "go to" version of GNU\Linux, based on the incredibly good Debian, but supports features without sacrificing too much stability, and because it has some money thrown at it. Has rightfully become the most popular distribution out there.
Unfortunately Gnome; Microsoft; Apple; Canonical have all made the decision that the future is ditching mice and keyboard, and running our fingers all over the screen.
Mint has become popular simply by supplying a desktop that those of us who still love mice and keyboards love [whatever you think of that]
In short its a great new OS release, get it downloaded and installed now...or at least read the article before posting on Slashdot.
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Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?
Linux Mint [wikipedia.org] is a computer operating system based on the Linux distribution Ubuntu. Linux Mint adds many features that baseline Ubuntu does not have, one of which is providing a more complete out of the box experience.
MATE [wikipedia.org] is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2.
Cinnamon [wikipedia.org] is a fork of GNOME Shell, initially developed by (and for) Linux Mint. It attempts to provide a more traditional user environment based on the desktop metaphor, like GNOME 2.
Why is there MATE and Cinnam
What is Linux Mint? (Score:5, Informative)
Linux Mint is a distribution of Linux that is based off of Ubuntu. Like Ubuntu, it uses Debian packages.
When Ubuntu made the decision to make a new desktop environment ("Unity") and the GNOME project made the decision to make a new desktop environment ("GNOME Shell"), Linux Mint in turn made the decision to support those of us who loved GNOME 2. We have two options: MATE and Cinnamon. Both are well-supported by Linux Mint (and in fact primary development on both is by Linux Mint guys).
MATE is simply a fork of GNOME 2. For reasons that are not clear to me, GNOME 2 and GNOME 3 cannot co-exist on the same system... something about library conflicts. (Doesn't Linux have library versioning that should make it possible to avoid these conflicts? Eh, moving on.) The MATE project did a mass rename on everything in GNOME ("libgnome" -> "libmate", etc.) so MATE can co-exist on the same system with GNOME 3. So, those of us who loved the smooth polish that came from man-decades of development in GNOME can still use it.
But MATE isn't the future. From what I have heard, the library underpinnings of GNOME 3 really have improved over GNOME 2, and the new technology is a step up. Who wants to be locked into a frozen clone of GNOME 2 forever? Thus, Cinnamon. Cinnamon is a project to build on top of GNOME 3 and provide a user experience similar to GNOME 2. New plugins, new themes, etc. all go together to make a very usable desktop; but GNOME 3 apps will work seamlessly with it.
Many disgruntled Ubuntu users have abandoned Ubuntu for Linux Mint. Mint is now the top Linux distribution [distrowatch.com] on distrowatch.com; I'm not sure it was even in the top ten before the whole Unity/GNOME Shell fiasco, but now it's number one.
A comment I have seen multiple times on Slashdot from different people: the Linux Mint guys are focused on making their users happy, rather than making something new. Where the GNOME Shell guys promise a "consistent and recognisable visual identity" [gnome.org], and Mark Shuttleworth (the head Ubuntu guy) said "This is not a democracy. [...] we are not voting on design decisions." [launchpad.net], the Linux Mint guys promise that you will "Love your Linux, Feel at Home, Get things Done!" [linuxmint.com]
Linux Mint has always focused on making a beautiful system that is out-of-the-box usable. Now they are one of the top choices for people who have rejected Unity and GNOME Shell.
For me, the most important part of the announcement is that they have the password keeper working right now. I'm using Linux Mint on a laptop at work, and I can't connect to Windows shares; I'm hoping the new updates will sort that out for me.
Since this is based on Debian packages, I can probably just update in place without needing to do a full re-install.
P.S. One of my biggest complaints about GNOME 3 is that I can no longer take sit a Windows user down and just say "it works pretty much like what you are used to". You may like GNOME Shell and you may think it is better, but you cannot argue that it is very different, and it would take a bit of training before a guest could use it. Linux Mint, on the other hand, works a lot like pre-Windows 8 versions of Windows; with a little customization and theming I'll bet you could fool people into thinking it was actually Windows XP.
Likewise with Unity, it is pretty different from Windows. But it's very similar to the Mac, so maybe users familiar with the Mac can use it?
Re:What is Linux Mint? (Score:4, Interesting)
Likewise with Unity, it is pretty different from Windows. But it's very similar to the Mac, so maybe users familiar with the Mac can use it?
As a long-time Mac fan, I must say it is pretty much unusable for us too.
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Likewise with Unity, it is pretty different from Windows. But it's very similar to the Mac, so maybe users familiar with the Mac can use it?
As a long-time Mac fan, I must say it is pretty much unusable for us too.
Unity has all the silly tricks of OSX's interface including the unified menu bar, and then some. Is it the extra functionality that confuses you?
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He was a president, and his motor skills were often called into question, hence, the article you read.
hth,
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It's not *a* MAJOR linux distro, it is, according to several sources, *the* MAJOR linux distro, after masses of Ubuntu users jumped ship in the Unity/Gnome 3 debacle.
Certainly this machine will be switching from Ubuntu to Mint shortly.
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With Cinnamon, it definitely doesn't have the program menus at the top of the screen (at least by default; I didn't check if you can get that as option), although it does have those annoying dialog windows which are attached to the main window's title bar, non-movable, usually hiding the stuff you want to see, and since the programs usually were not designed for that, often even missing critical information (the most extreme was a dialog asking "yes" or "no", without any hint what it was asking about, becau
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Could be worst--at least it's not Cinnamon the Maltese puppy [imdb.com]
Cinnamon Is...Traditional layout,advanced features (Score:2)
Cinnamon Is...http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
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I actually donated to Linux Mint about a month ago, and yet I've given up Linux (again) for Windows 7 (again) due to a lack of comparable software (no, 80% functionality isn't good enough compared to the 100% I get with Windows unfortunately). So I feel kinda stupid for donating and yet still abandoning the operating system. Then again, I do appreciate Linux on an intellectual level so hopefully it helps.
I gave up on Windows 7 for the same reason, and moved full time to Mint. I just cannot find the same functional programs I can on Linux, or they are riddled with malware, or they can charge thousands to do basic things, and I have to sacrifice my privacy to do so, all I end up doing is installing those programs I know from Linux, only I have a massive headache in maintaining all the packages. I gave up in the end after the OS I was using was tied to the hardware it was on? I had to use a live distribution t
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Well I suppose I must know how to use Windows better if I choose malware-free software. I will admit this is a skill that comes from experience, but I have a LOT of Windows experience and see little point in switch from something that works so damn well. Windows 8? It can go to hell. Hopefully Metro fails and Windows 9 allows for a more traditional desktop operating system.