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LibreOffice 3.5.1 Released With Fixes 128

Thinkcloud writes "The Document Foundation has released LibreOffice 3.5.1. Some of the core fixes include: don't crash for empty input data in charts, UI fix on PDF export dialog, don't copy page styles into temporary clipboard doc, and use the correct db range for the copy. 'Another milestone for the LibreOffice project was hit this past month as well. "The number of TDF hackers has overtaken the threshold of 400 code developers, with a large majority of independent volunteers and several companies paying full time hackers." Although some are paid developers, no company employs more than 7% of developers, keeping the project independent and self-governing.'"
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LibreOffice 3.5.1 Released With Fixes

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  • by Bananatree3 ( 872975 ) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:05AM (#39402519)
    The Document Foundation is eating Open Office's lunch. When will Open Office merge with the Document Foundation?
  • Quick question (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:10AM (#39402551)

    Did they, finally, remove that nonsensical Java dependency?

    It made strategical sense as long as it was Sun's baby. But, technically, it really is just a huge "WTF?"

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:11AM (#39402561)

    The ribbon is a nice UI that really isn't very different than the old UI. It takes vertical drop-down menus and makes them horizontal. Then it ads pictures.

    Big deal.

    Some people claim that it takes up more space, but that is debatable. If you're truly hard-up for space you can always minimize the ribbon. Apparently in the next version of Office it will be minimized by default.

    Dunno why people bitch about the ribbon so much. I think it's a combination of "I don't care why they changed it, it's different and I HATE different" and "Look! Microsoft is doing something! LET'S HATE ON IT!"

  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:22AM (#39402691) Journal
    The one thing that I find very unfortunate about the timing of the 'ribbon' is that it managed to coincide with the massive shift in the most common and cheapest PC displays(especially in laptops) from 4:3 to a brief period of 16:10 followed by a rush to 16:9. Having the menu bar expanding even as vertical resolution was being nibbled away at made the always-slightly-awkward editing of 8.5x11 or A4 documents on computer screens even more irritating.

    I mostly blame the fuckers who killed 16:10, since that can't be fixed in software; but it wasn't a helpful coincidence.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:25AM (#39402711)

    Oh, not so different, eh?

    How about those who use keyboard shortcuts? Alt+F, P. Hmmm, no printing? WTF? Alt+F, A. No save as?

    Yes, totally identical.

  • Re:Quick question (Score:4, Insightful)

    by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:38AM (#39402875)
    That's the way OpenOffice was as well. But Java was loaded by default if it was available, which slowed down performance. That behavior should be removed if the Java features aren't commonly used (they aren't) and it gives a big performance hit (it does).
  • Re:I wish... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:44AM (#39402955) Journal
    I'm pretty sure that Access' mission in life is making it comparatively easy for people to develop database frontends(and often get in over their heads and produce some real nightmares...) not to be a database per se. Although I think that MS has been moving toward killing JET, in favor of SQL Server 3-legged-puppy edition, to make upselling to SQL server proper easier, the point is making it easy to dump some forms and buttons in place without having to be a real programmer.
  • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:46AM (#39402981) Homepage

    Which I love they do. IT helps me push Libre office.

    Not only does it have Lower TCO, but it also has ZERO training for the users.

    Allowed us to avoid the MSFT Office tax cince 2005.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:59AM (#39403113)

    Microsoft has to change Office every so often. Its necessay otherwise how do they sell the same product over and over again ? It sure isn't getting new functions is it ? Oh maybe in 2 decades we will make the emacs joke about Office. But until then, to get the suckers (consumers, enterprises, etc...) to lay down $$$ every 3 years for whats basically a glorifed typewriter they have to change, even if its superficial change. Office attaigned maturity with the 95 version. Since then its been about superficial changes and format changes of course.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:00AM (#39403135)

    WTF, WTF'er?

    Word 2007.

    ALT-F. A. Save-As dialog pops up
    ALT-F. P. Print dialog pops up.

    For crepe's sake, it even DISPLAYS the letters for you for keyboard navigation of the ribbon. It's almost like EMACs, except you can see where the heck you're diving down into.

  • by muuh-gnu ( 894733 ) on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:42AM (#39403647)

    > Good luck having another supplier, vendor, or another business view your documents

    Who has to conform to whom depends on who is the dominating partner in a communication. If the dominating partner mandates that all communication with him from now has to be LO-compatible, as a supplier you have to become LO-compatible, or you wont get his business.

    The key to establish LO in the office space is to make a few influential players start using it, everybody who depends on them in some way will have to follow.

    > and have them all looking funny?

    If they depend on getting money from you, it suddenly is their documents looking funny, not yours. It is just a matter of perspective.

  • Re:I wish... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Billly Gates ( 198444 ) on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:42AM (#39403651) Journal

    Because it is not a server database.

    It is a personal one. If you need real databases then use an external source like SQL Server or even Mysql through ODBC.

    Access has a great gui that a non IT professional can create a solution quickly without having the hell of 5 versions of a 1 million line excel spreadsheet emailed and unsynchronized floating on the network were 1 - 2 hours a day are spent finding errors. Yes corporate America is doing this more commonly thanks to restrictive I.T. and the high demand for more results with less employees.

    Think of it as a gui builder to store data for small to medium sized business. Not that is can't datawarehouse and run on 32 cpu systems with a thousand users at once, etc. That is not what it is for. An average Joe will not setup an Oracle Enterprise Data server to store client records in his small local business store. Access fits perfectly.

  • by hackertourist ( 2202674 ) on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:59AM (#39403875)

    Problems with the Ribbon:
    - the change was done with no regard for longtime users who lose ALL of their knowledge of where to find what feature, with no option to revert to the old ways.
    - Worse, Microsoft threw out conventions like the menu order (File, Edit) that have been the same in all Windows programs since W3.1. Again, loss of knowledge.
    - it takes much longer to go through all the Ribbons to find a feature than to drag through the menus. You could drag through all of the menus with a single click-and-drag action. You have to click on each of the Ribbon tabs.
    - minimizing the UI has its own cost in annoyance when the Ribbon deploys when you don't want it.
    - The Ribbon relies on icons more than text. I find that it takes me longer to find the correct icon than it took me to find the correct menu. Not everyone thinks visually.

    All of this for the sake of being more newbie-friendly and ooh-shiny.

  • by Microlith ( 54737 ) on Monday March 19, 2012 @01:03PM (#39404641)

    It's hilarious how people bash LO for not being 100% compatible with what is effectively an undocumented, proprietary format that shifts greatly between versions. Even OOXML is deeply tied into Microsoft internals and features a ridiculously large spec full of binary blobs. Seriously, I'd buy the criticisms if the all of the formats were open and fully documented but virtually every criticism is specific to undocumented formats that the vendors leverage to hinder competitors from encroaching on their market share.

    The rest of your arguments are off topic for the subject at hand.

    I had better stock up on the KY for the reaming I'm about to get in downmods.

    Ironically, if I were to downmod you rather than post, it'd be because of this silly passive-aggressive statement.

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