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Linux Desktop Summit Program Announced 121

jrepin writes with this excerpt from an announcement by KDE: "The Desktop Summit is a joint conference organized by the GNOME and KDE communities, the two dominant forces behind modern graphical software on free platforms. Over a thousand international participants are expected to attend. The main conference takes place from 6-8 August. The annual membership meetings of GNOME and KDE are scheduled for 9 August, followed by workshops and coding sessions on 10-12 August."
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Linux Desktop Summit Program Announced

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 22, 2011 @06:47AM (#36207264)

    My problem is Gnome / KDE / UNITY all seem to be obsessed with being progressive and messing up common sense schemes that have worked well for years. IMO they should be jailed in the Museum of Contemporary Art and clubbed to death with hardcover copies of Ulysses.

    Gnome 2.0 seems to be the epitome of quality design... the menus are all simple and straight forward, good for getting work done.

  • by Datamonstar ( 845886 ) on Sunday May 22, 2011 @07:01AM (#36207306)
    If you like it, use it. The beauty of open source. You can use what you want how you want and leave the other shit alone. If you don't know how, there's bound to be a community of like-minded kooks out there that can show you how.
  • by GuerillaRadio ( 818889 ) * on Sunday May 22, 2011 @07:53AM (#36207490)
    I think I must be a desktop Luddite, because none of the new developments you mention appeal to me at all, with the possible exception of Wayland. I'm now running Debian 6 with XFCE after years of running Ubuntu (since it started in fact - I was running Debian Unstable before then and this new Ubuntu was just that with some bugs ironed out and some polish).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 22, 2011 @07:57AM (#36207508)

    (NOTE: another AC here: just can't bother with the cookies crap needed to login)

    Look -- formally you are right. Still I think the "innovators" have some responsibility to tread with some care and try to be inclusive. As just an example, I watch in disgust and fear the firestorm systemd is causing. Granted, nobody loves SystemV, all that rat's nest of scripts with 90 per cent boilerplate and that. Still, replacing that by an intransparent piece of compiled code mechanism and policy all in one big mess: what is that doing to the hackability of the system?

    Other examples: NetworkManager, PulseAudio, *Kit (many of those examples are CamelCased -- is this a CoInciDence?). I'd hope innovators in the realm of Free Software would take care of interested users, leaving for them a path into hacking the system, starting by little config options, through some shell scripting into hacking C. This means cherishing simplicity at all levels. The opposite tendency seems to be in fashion nowadays. The "user experience" of the absolute novice is paramount -- sacrificing the simplicity and hackability of the system by the slightly more advanced user (all novice users will reach that stage eventually, remember!).

    This reminds me of a pattern often seen in proprietary software, especially that kind of software where the ones to make the business decision of buying the package won't be those who will have to use it: it tends to be shiny and easy to use for fitst-timers, but far from the optimum long-term.

    WTF happened to this idea of the 1970ies that giving the user a chance to improve her understanding of the system should be part of what's called ergonomy?

    So: "It's open source. Do it yourself if you don't like it. And now go away" is almost always the wrong answer.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 22, 2011 @09:07AM (#36207916)

    "Don't like it? Fork it."

    Can people PLEASE stop with this bullshit "don't like it? Then fix it yourself!" argument? Like it or not, linux is about communities, ideals, and shared tools now, just like your nation is. You might as well be saying "Don't like the new laws? Then start your own country!". In either case, it's disenfranchising, and wrong-headed.

  • by obarthelemy ( 160321 ) on Sunday May 22, 2011 @09:20AM (#36207986)

    between what the devs want to do, and what the users want. In a commercial company, this conflict is handled by management weighing in on the side of users/customers. In OSS projects, the devs have free reins to play with new concepts, technologies, paradigms... whether anyone else is interested at all, or not. My take is that Gnome, KDE and Unity have evolved into cool geek research labs. 5-10 years from now, we might be using some ideas that originated there. Right now, most users want and need a simple interface that Just Works and emulates the Windows they know, not some buggy half-finished avant-garde stuff.

    The main quality of an OS is to let me use my hardware and apps with minimum fuss.

  • by Kabloink ( 834009 ) on Sunday May 22, 2011 @09:20AM (#36207992)

    The biggest problem I see isn't the radical design change of Gnome 3 or Unit, but the lack of customization. We once criticized Windows for being fairly rigid in that matter, but Windows now looks in comparison to these new desktop a tweaker's dream. Someting I thought I would never say.

    So, in a way I would have to agree they suck at the moment, but I hope the project leaders will come to their senses and realize people like to be able to customize their desktops to some degree.

  • by tchernobog ( 752560 ) on Sunday May 22, 2011 @10:00AM (#36208188)
    If it is a nation, start paying taxes and do military service. Then you can have your say.
  • by Grishnakh ( 216268 ) on Sunday May 22, 2011 @02:18PM (#36210392)

    What would you suggest Canonical do instead?

    Simple: switch to KDE (4.6) instead. It took them a while, but they've finally fixed up pretty much all the problems with the early 4.0 series, and it's a really nice desktop system now, with tons of configurability (unlike Gnome). It could still use some touching up here and there though, but all the fundamentals are there, and the architecture is much cleaner than Gnome, which is basically just a giant mish-mash of smaller projects arranged in a house of cards.

    With the resources of Canonical at hand, they could customize KDE with their own defaults and themes, fix up the few rough edges that remain, port over some of the better Gnome stuff to KDE/Qt, etc.

  • by fnj ( 64210 ) on Sunday May 22, 2011 @05:49PM (#36211918)

    Your parent is merely pointing out that KDE and Gnome have both headed down the toilet, and Unity is STARTING OUT in the toilet. This is obvious to anyone. The bloody desktop developers have turned into wankers chasing stupid directions that are NOT user driven, ruining perfectly good products. They could use an injection of reality. They are screwing up big time. Not in terms of technical quality, but in terms of basic direction. A lot of users care about that. The process is broken. If developers don't care what users want, then to hell with them.

    It's not up to users to fork software and develop it themselves in a more sane direction. It's up to developers to get a grip on the real world.

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