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Mozilla Starts To Follow a New Drumbeat 226

ChiefMonkeyGrinder writes "Key, then, to the Drumbeat project is openness, specifically openness as applied to the Internet. That fits in well with the original impulses behind Mozilla and Firefox. The former was about transforming the Netscape Communicator code into an open source browser, and the latter was about defending open standards from Microsoft's attempt to lock people into Internet Explorer 6 and its proprietary approaches. Both Mozilla and Firefox have succeeded, but the threats have now changed."
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Mozilla Starts To Follow a New Drumbeat

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  • Crunchy Goodness! (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Frosty Piss ( 770223 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @11:37AM (#30723630)
    Rah, rah, rah! Open standards! Who will not support that! It's got OSS Crunchy Goodness!

    Actually, what I'd really like to see in FF is *LESS BLOAT* and some attention to memory management... I'll wait...
  • bad writing. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mooingyak ( 720677 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @11:42AM (#30723686)

    Key, then, to writing summaries is quality sentences, specifically sentences that don't read like this one.

  • Communioncator (Score:5, Insightful)

    by roman_mir ( 125474 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @11:43AM (#30723704) Homepage Journal

    I don't know what this 'Drumbeat' project is and also I am not sure what is Communincator exactly so obviously I must provide an opinion on this 'story'.

    Really, whatever is written in the summary, I don't understand what they are talking about, can anyone translate into normal speak for the ununinitiateted?

  • I have an idea (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Jason Quinn ( 1281884 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @11:43AM (#30723712)
    Imagine if Firefox was perfect and the web environment was stable: in other words there was no need to change it anymore until the environment changed. Would the Mozilla folks let it be? No because people are now employed by the Mozilla Foundation and jobs are at stake. Firefox is effectively a commercial product now. As happens to nearly every commercial software product that meets its users needs and original design goals, the software will come to experience feature bloat as the developers try to keep the attention of its userbase. (For the record, I think the claims that it is already bloatware are premature.) Feature bloat and change for the sake of change are the future of Firefox and it will all come in the name of "innovation". PS In any case, the Linux version of Firefox could use some attention devs!
  • What to do after ? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by i_want_you_to_throw_ ( 559379 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @11:44AM (#30723716) Journal
    FTA:That's all well and good, but it raises the question: what should Mozilla be doing *after* it conquers the browser world – that is, once it has 50% market share?

    Easy, people should begin to explore other alternatives like Chrome, Safari and Opera. There should ALWAYS be choices because absolute power corrupts absolutely whether it's IE or Firefox. It's naive to make simple assertions like Microsoft = bad and Mozilla = good. Any organization that gets that kind of control eventually capitalizes on it. I know the article says "The threats have changed". How about "Mozilla's motivations will change?"
  • by starbugs ( 1670420 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @11:46AM (#30723742)

    I really hope Mozilla can make it happen.

    Where is Google in this? Why are they dragging their feet?
    After all, without openness where would they be?

  • Re:bad writing. (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2010 @11:48AM (#30723762)

    Key, then, to not writing summaries like this, is not copying random paragraphs from the article.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2010 @11:48AM (#30723780)

    The largest challenge to openness stares us in the face every day, and nobody seems to notice: Much of our data is stored in proprietary servers controlled by private companies, including Facebook, Google, and Twitter. The Internet was consciously and carefully engineered to put the power in the hands of the end user; data was stored at the end point in open formats (think of POP/IMAP mail and USENET forums, for example). Now a new generation of less sophisticated users hands over their personal data to private companies. Not only are there serious privacy risks, but we've lost control of our data. You are dependent on Facebook's good will to migrate *your* data to another application. What happens when your cloud vendor goes out of business?

  • by Enderandrew ( 866215 ) <enderandrew AT gmail DOT com> on Monday January 11, 2010 @12:06PM (#30723998) Homepage Journal

    Firefox has been much better on memory management since FF3. Everyone talks about Chrome being lean and fast, and FF being this bloated piece of crap.

    You do realize that using current builds of both, Firefox uses less memory? The UI will likely never be quite as fast due to XUL, but Firefox's memory management is pretty dang good. They could probably take a page from how Chrome handles garbage collection with their V8 Javascript engine, but that's another story.

  • by Verdatum ( 1257828 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @12:15PM (#30724110)
    Too long; didn't read. Repeating the same mission statement 3 or 4 times with minor modifications doesn't make for a terribly great article. Generally, mission statements shouldn't even be expressed the first time around.
  • by quantumplacet ( 1195335 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @12:28PM (#30724252)

    yea, i went that route (6GB of RAM on Vista x64), problem is that Firefox shits the bed long before my OS runs out of memory. in my experience, once FF hits about 1.2GB of RAM, it crashes.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2010 @12:38PM (#30724348)

    Wow, I've that there is a trend for schools to stop teach cursive writing, which I couldn't care less about, but have they also stopped teaching the scientific method? Your hypothesis is that FF is the most unstable program in common use, and you back up that hypothesis with your own, no wait, with anecdotal evidence that some people are having issues with FF. The conclusion from that evidence, is that you are correct?

    Have you collected any evidence about other browsers crashing, or any program, as state "most unstable program", and not just browsers. Have you collected data on actual program usage to determine crashes per program use? Have you considered that some, perhaps even all, though unlikely, that those users problems might be caused by another source and not the FF programming? Have you considered...

    The Mozilla Foundation may be badly managed, it may not. From the simple amount of, what can only be considered crap, data you've 'collected' it is impossible to tell, and your assumption that it is badly managed should be considered nothing more than FUD.

  • by alexborges ( 313924 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @12:49PM (#30724524)

    Okay, you are using a web browser as a development tool and find it trendy to beat on it because it gets bulky when you decide to make it do stuff that it wasn't inherently designed to do.... and thats the developer's fault?

    So you want a web browser that can double as the best web development tool in the planet (i do think that ff+plugins is the best dev platform for the web today), and when doing that is faster and slimmer than even browsers that can only browse (like safari)?

    Go code your own, lets see if thats possible.

  • by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @01:20PM (#30725024)

    The UI will likely never be quite as fast due to XUL,

    Therein lies the problem. Memory management to me doesn't become a problem unless I run out (and I've made sure that on my desktop machines, I won't run out). What matters to me is the speed at which I can interact with my desktop.

    Now, Firefox on Windows isn't that bad. Pretty snappy. Firefox on Mac isn't as good, but still OK. Firefox on Linux drags along at a speed slow enough for you to think someone is intentionally sabotaging it. I don't care how much memory it's using, but if the UI feels draggy I don't want it.

    Chrome on the other hand - feels like greased lighting in comparison. It's fast and snappy across all three platforms. What's bad is that for a UI LOOK perspective I don't like Chrome. I have to use an addon to make sure new tabs always open at the end of the list, and I wish to goodness that there was a way to move the tabs below the address bar. Not to mention that downloads open at the bottom of my browser rather than in a seperate window. Still, despite those quirks, I've taken to using Chrome on everything just because of it's speed. It's also proven more stable for me. Firefox will typically slow to a crawl if you leave certain Javascript heavy pages open on it for an extended amount of time. If I leave the same ones open on Chrome it's fine when I come back the next day.

  • Re:I have an idea (Score:3, Insightful)

    by BZ ( 40346 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @02:07PM (#30725730)

    Are there particular Linux issues that are bothering you? "Pay some attention to Linux" isn't nearly as useful as "please fix X, Y, and Z" in terms of getting things to happen.

    I would dearly love to know the actual issues Linux users have, as opposed to generic "it sucks, but I won't tell you why I think that" grumbling.

  • by QuoteMstr ( 55051 ) <> on Monday January 11, 2010 @03:04PM (#30726476)

    isn't a flawed concept there are just flawed implementations of it.

    Ah, the last refuge of ideologues.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2010 @04:23PM (#30727958)


    * FF is a user's primary browser; user has loads of crap piggybacked on top of it
    * User tries a fresh install of a different browser, without aforementioned loads of crap
    * User is amazed!

    This works both ways, I'm sure this is why most average joes think FF is so much better in the first place.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2010 @05:44PM (#30729324)

    Apparently nobody taught you to differentiate between an Opinion (aka. comment on a forum) and a Paper/Thesis/Study. Unless specified otherwise EVERYTHING in the comments section is opinion. Forcing people to write "In My Opinion" in front of every damn sentence they type is stupid. This is already assumed. And you are a moron.

  • by Pebby ( 1321397 ) on Monday January 11, 2010 @05:58PM (#30729544)

    The sad thing, to me, is not that this is happening, but, rather, that only a small minority seems to care about it.

"We don't care. We don't have to. We're the Phone Company."