SUSE Studio — Linux Customization For the Masses 126
apokryphos writes "Novell just released the first alpha of SUSE Studio (screencast), which provides an easy way to customize your own Linux distribution with the software and configuration you want. Among other things, you can spin a Live CD, a USB image, or create a VMware image. It builds upon the already established openSUSE Build Service and KIWI imaging system."
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Wasn't this a Phil Collins song? (Score:5, Funny)
SUSE SUSE Studio
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No doubt...
They need to make a youTube commercial for this...
Do you think Phil Collins is available?
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Bravo!
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So you... don't want to be entertained in a church?
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For very small values of masses.
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We can now spam distrowatch with a gazillion custom versions!
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So you're agreeing with yourself? How nice for you.
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MS thought they had a Tier 1 Linux vendor by the short hairs and sent press releases saying that Novell agreed that Linux infringed on their IP. Novell released their own stating "Go screw, no we don't" essentially.
Short of the MS apologist, Miguel, Novell has not agreed with MS in many ways, however they have worked on interoperability with contributions to SAMBA as well as Open Office, to allow better MS Office compatibility for macros and such.
Before you make yourself look EVEN STUPIDER, I suggest you stop talking.
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Get over yourself. The fact is, Novell is giving a lot back. They are taking WAY too much flack for their ill advised involvement with Microsoft. They did not sell out. They are help
Correct screencast link... (Score:5, Informative)
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Honestly, what the fuck. We already know the "editors" don't read the articles, but is it too much to ask to verify the links?!?! Sadly, I think the answer is "yes". At this point in time, I see no reason why every single "editor" couldn't be replaced by a simple script.
Re:Correct screencast link... (Score:5, Funny)
-- Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda
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Oh crap, the CmdrTaco script is now self-aware and self-replicating.
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Nuke it from orbit -- it's the only way to be sure.
(There goes my karma, but someone had to say it.)
Re:Correct screencast link... (Score:4, Funny)
curl --silent http://feeds.digg.com/digg/container/technology/popular.rss http://feeds.digg.com/digg/container/science/popular.rss http://feeds.digg.com/digg/container/gaming/popular.rss | grep -e "<title>digg.com: Stories" -e "<link>http://feeds.digg.com" | sed -e '/<title>digg.com/s//slashdot.org/g' -e '/<\/title>/s///g' -e '/<link>/s///g' -e '/<\/link>/s///g'
Yes, I'm kidding, Yes, it works.
Bad link in summary (Score:1, Informative)
susestudio.com [susestudio.com]
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Saved them some time. If IE was compliant, there wouldn't be a problem.
Re:IE not supported... (Score:5, Interesting)
as a web developer, i definitely agree that not having to support IE saves a lot of development time. on most projects i've worked on, about 20% of the development time is spent going back and forth with the client to come up with a layout design that they're happy with. only 5% of the time is used to cut up the graphics and actually implement the layout for standards-compliant browsers like Firefox/Safari/Opera/etc., which is pretty straight forward; just follow the W3C specs, and if it works in one browser, it'll pretty much work in all of them.
but the most painful part of any project is trying to get your site, which validates and renders properly in all other browsers, to render correctly in IE--which takes up the remaining 75% of the development time. not only is it a huge PITA for web developers (who are forced to mangle their previously elegant & well-formed code with a patchwork of unwieldy CSS hacks and clumsy JavaScript), but it also costs website owners a ton of money (if your designer/developer charges by the hour--which most smart freelance web developers do) as well. sure, the percentage may be less if it's a relatively simple site, or the designer creates the layout with tables, or if they simply design the site just for IE, standards be damned. but on the whole, supporting IE takes more time, effort, and money than is required for all other browsers added together.
however, in this case i think SUSE is a large enough company that they can afford to spend the money on IE support. so if their site doesn't work in IE, it's probably done on purpose to, either, a.) support web standards (and send a message to IE users), b.) support Firefox (and send a message to IE users), or c.) filter out clueless IE users that don't belong on their site. i mean, this service isn't exactly aimed at the typical computer novice who accidentally wandered out of their AOL/MSN playpen. anyone who's expected to use this site would know better than to use IE.
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but the most painful part of any project is trying to get your site, which validates and renders properly in all other browsers, to render correctly in IE--which takes up the remaining 75% of the development time
I find that percentage hard to believe. Almost all IE6 bugs have been thoroughly documented including fixes. If you consistently spend that percentage of time, then I think you need to rethink your process. For example, one developer could focus on IE6 bugs and port your layouts. That person would have most bugs (including fixes) in his head.
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first off, just because its litany of bugs, nonstandard implementations, and lack of standard features have been thoroughly documented does not mean they're no longer an issue. secondly, cumbersome hacks and awkward workarounds are not "fixes." a 'fix' would be a patch released by Microsoft that actually fixes those issues.
like i said, depending on the complexity of the site/layout you're working on, that percentage may vary. but for most reasonably intricate professional layouts, that is about the time rat
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I totally agree. However, that's not an excuse for putting 75% of your time in supporting it. Some policies will go a long way to avoid spending so much time on this old browser. Having a list of IE bugs alongside work is one. Graceful degradation is another.
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This is a good point. While IE7 isn't nearly as bad as IE6, it still sucks compared to any of the other major browsers. There are still some things that are not implemented in IE7 that are in all the other browsers and they JS implementation is by far the worst of the bunch.
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Exactly. In my experience as a professional web-developer, it went something like this: http://www.boogdesign.com/b2evo/media/breakdown.png [boogdesign.com]
Except that it was not an extra space, but an extra period that Internet Explorer was throwing a wobbly over, and that took me two weeks to debug!!
I always said, I don't hate. Period. ...Until I had to develop a mock-up operating-system web-site in the IE.
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Oh, and I did not give up and use tables! And this was in the times of IE 5 and 6.
Thank Joe Pesci [youtube.com] for FireBug [getfirebug.com]!
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"That's bullshit."
Here you go.
Though I agree, or atleast enjoy it and think it was cool that they complained on IE. Too bad SuSE isn't really good ..
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Better than Ubuntu, IMO. Their tools feel more polished.
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I know twitter says he doesn't like it, but we all know he does. Keep polishing!
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It's an alpha, genius. Not only that, but their target demographic is *gasp* people who use linux, which has no official version of IE.
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Just because an early alpha test of the system doesn't support IE doesn't mean it's never going to. Is it really that surprising that a Linux project in the alpha stage would give preferenc
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Right, but please tell me where at microsoft.com I can download my Linux version of Internet Explorer?
Oh right, you can't.
If IE mattered for the demographic that will be using this service, then supporting it would be a priority. However it's not, so it's not a priority.
Grow up.
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Why you'd use it, though, I don't know. [tatanka.com.br]
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The only usage I can think of is for testing - making sure your page renders correctly.
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"Because Opera is so wide used, right?"
Yes, I'd say is orders of magnitude more used than IE on the Linux platform.
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Your karma must be really bad. And I'm not talking about /. karma here. Opera works for me with all sites I use. Besides I don't think you need Christ and his bottle of sake to browse the Web ~
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It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
Though Opera is still works, unless we are talking about ActiveX.
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Re:IE not supported... (Score:5, Funny)
"Your browser is not officially supported We have detected that the browser you are using, Microsoft Internet Explorer, is not officially supported. Currently, for the alpha of SUSE Studio, we only support Firefox 2 and 3, and Safari 3."
FUCKING YES!
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i believe i speak for all* linux users when i say:
HAHAHA, how does it feel now bitches!!! oh yeah now its your turn!
*well im sure that's how my mate feels and as microsoft has pointed out many a time, there are in fact only 3 people using linux.
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We have detected that the browser you are using, Opera, is not officially supported. Currently, for the alpha of SUSE Studio, we only support Firefox 2 and 3, and Safari 3.
Other browsers which will most likely work are the various Gecko & WebKit based browsers (Epiphany, Konqueror (with kde4-webkitpart), Camino) AND OPERA.
WTF!
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Reading is an art-form, it seems:
"Opera, is not officially supported" versus ... OPERA"
"Other browsers which will most likely work
What part didn't you understand?
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Best comment ever :D
(yeah yeah, it's offtopic, but I thoroughly enjoyed it)
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Apparently the site only creates Linux distributions. It would be nice if you could roll your own windows cd, too. I'll file both bugs right now.
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Interestingly, the screencast seems to be made on Windows , with Camtasia as the capture software and Linux running under a VMWare virtual machine.
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..and it's in flash, which i do not want to load in my browser. dang. could have been interesting. maybe i should fire (eh) up firefox...
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I don't have IE at home, but if this is true, my desire to try this has gone up.
(BTW it works in Konqueror.)
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People who are either stupid, obstinate, or uninformed enough to *STILL* use IE (even on Windows) should be shunned from everything on the web.
Did they at least include a link to download Firefox, so at least the latter (uninformed) could be helped?
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"Your browser is not officially supported We have detected that the browser you are using, Microsoft Internet Explorer, is not officially supported. Currently, for the alpha of SUSE Studio, we only support Firefox 2 and 3, and Safari 3." Way to go SUSE, not supporting the most used web browser on earth.
Dude, we thank you for telling us...even though I don't know if I'd admit to using IE. You are buh-rave!
Is that you, Ballmer? (Score:2)
You must be new here.
And not very bright...Keep drinking the Koolaid...And yes, it does run on Linux!
Actual screencast URL (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, the screencast is at http://studio.suse.com/ [suse.com], not suse.studio.com, which is an adfarm that just struck gold.
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/\/\/.ers
What community is that, Wavers?
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The masses? (Score:1)
Linux customization for the masses?
"Well, I for one resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me--the free man and woman of this country--as 'the masses.'"
--Ronald Reagan, in his speech on behalf of Senator Barry Goldwater, October 27, 1964.
The free users of free software shouldn't be called "the masses" either.
Looks to be extremely handy.... (Score:2)
OpenSuSE/SLES/SLED are our preferred distros around here for our POS and ERP systems just because it was a fluke that it was the first distro to install correctly on the test/development machines without having to hunt down drivers or getting a kernel panic. But this will make creating a disc image for our Point of Sales systems extremely easy and I'm glad to see it.
An Excellent Idea (Score:1)
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Indeed, it is actually designed to be friendly for other distributions as well. Both the build service and KIWI (both GPL) intentionally have generic designs so that you can both build packages for other distributions, and build customisable versions of other distributions, too. It's a really nice thing: when a distribution goes out of their way to ensure that others can benefit from the tools as well.
Or, to be cynical, perhaps so that they wouldn't have to rewrite it if they wanted to do any major overhauls of suse?
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OpenID (Score:3, Interesting)
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"Mass customization" (Score:3, Insightful)
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6. Any Color As Long As It's Black - The myth that the Model T only came in black probably comes from the reality that almost 12 million of the 15 million total Model Ts were black. But, in the early and late years of Model T production, the car was produced in many different colors, including blue, red, green and grey. Oddly, many these hues were so dark they were hardly discernable from black, another reason the myth lives on.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/def/top-Ford-Model-T-Centennial.htm [seriouswheels.com]
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The supposed myth comes directly from a quote by Henry Ford. In fact it appears there was a time where you could only buy a Model T in black, from the point the assembly line was developed, so it's not really a myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford:
"By 1918, half of all cars in America were Model T's. However, it was a monolithic block; as Ford wrote in his autobiography, "Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black". Until the development of the assembly line,
no more crapware? (Score:2)
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So can I get a Gnome install without Gnibbles?
Do you really care about Gnibbles that much? Delete the binary & remove it from your menu.
Remember - one mans crapware is another man's treasure. Its only 60k, so why remove it?
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On the "confirm" screen in which it lists all your settings and choices the headline "Software choices" (under which gnome is listed) is clickable. Click to get access to a full package manager.
Car analogy..... ... .... (Score:4, Informative)
"We didn't achieve mass customization of cars until Ford thought up the assembly line. We need the equivalent of the assembly line in the (operating system) world:"
Err, no we don't, at least not Dell/Apple's definition of 'customization' where you have two or three choices of hardrive upgrade options, each increment of cost would buy your the retail part outright.
Worse, ford and his mass production gave us any colour so long as it's black.
This is rather the opposite and a Good Thing. The better analogy would have been the custom car scene from the 1950s onwards, where you can pay for a customized build, rather than do all the work yourself. This might get frowns from those who like object to paying someone do it.
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The customization of cars was revolutionized (defined) by Lee Iacoca and Ford when they introduced the Mustang in April, 1964 - it had an unheard-of number of options, unlike any car that came before it.
I forget the actual number, but at a time when a base Mustang was between $2,500 and $3,000 it wasn't unusual for shoppers to add several hundred dollars of options to their car.
Fedora Spins? (Score:4, Insightful)
Haven't I seen this before - yes, over on Fedora, they have a "spins" functionality, making this an evolutionary, not revolutionary improvement.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins [fedoraproject.org]
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From the screencast this looks easy as pie, but I'll reserve my final judgment for when I try it.
Similar to Fedora's revisor? (Score:3, Interesting)
I thought... (Score:3, Insightful)
...that's, what Gentoo Linux is for.
You can't get any more customization, without doing Linux from scratch.
And why in the world would I want to install an RPM-based package manager, when I can have a Ports-based one?
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Wonderful! (Score:2)
According to the website, Konqueror (3.5.10) isn't supported. One gets bumped to a page informing one of this advent and you are further instructed to use Safari or Firefox (2 or 3). Way to go Novell/SUSE! Gotta love a website promoting a product that doesn't support the primary webbrowser provide by said product maker! Sheesh!
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Don't reply to those. Every linux article has to have someone say that Ybuntu has been doing x for years
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Don't reply to those. Every linux article has to have someone say that Ybuntu has been doing x for years
I think the instance of ubuntu doing that would be "uck" [sourceforge.net]. SUSE Studio does seem to be more aimed at end users, though.
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Once again, consumer choice wins.
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What DRM lock-in?
Don't worry, I won't be expecting an answer related at all to actual DRM included in the OSes listed above. I know that'd be too much work for you...and you'd likely explode when you finally realized the only DRM in those OSes is support for playback...no lock-in.
G'day, troll! (This in no way implies that the OP is not also a troll)