A Peek Into Tomorrow's Linux 126
jellybeans writes "MadPenguin.org takes a peek into the world of Linux as it looks going forward. "I hear this argument all the time. How companies trying to make Linux more accessible, through any means necessary, so long as they abide by the GPL, are working against the vision of Linux from the beginning. This is asinine. The vision, based on my own interpretation of Linux was always about choice."
Good article (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Good article (Score:3, Insightful)
guis are nice for tools i'm not fimilar with.... but it takes 3 commands for me to setup a network. and i'd rater add them to a boot script then look for -then figure out- a gui tool.
however i do like the push for more gui and windows friendly stuff. i think its good for linux as a whole. i'd just hate to see all the console tools removed. i'd like to see the gui tools have a built in "files to edit and commands to enter" help page. yea its the old way but its also the less resource intensive way... basicly what helps keep my 700mhz 256meg laptop in business. i can't help but of think of the money i have saved not upgradeing.
Summary (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Good article (Score:5, Insightful)
User friendliness (aka usable by idiots) is a GOOD thing because it allows us to do what needs to be done, faster. I don't want to take 5 minutes to do something that could be made in 30 seconds, and I guess other people think the same way, geeks or not.
Guess I should be answering this from Lynx and not Firefox.
Re:Good article (Score:5, Insightful)
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Whereas if you use the latest 'control panel' busybox to configure wireless, you've got your wireless... until the next shiney-thing distro comes along, and you have to learn a whole new set of buttons to press.
There's an inherent advantage in knowing how to read Man pages. It can take a LOOONG time to learn how to slow down and read them, in our clickety-click gui-driven world. It's very much worth the effort. The best software is convergent. It just keeps getting better and better, not more and more different. I have Unix books that are fifteen years old that are still very much so the definitive references on how to do some pretty awesome stuff.
Re:Good article (Score:4, Insightful)
I love desktop Linux (Score:2, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong, I think Fedora and Ubuntu are great! I love how they have such friendly communities to turn to for help. But when The Year Of The Linux Desktop comes, it's not going to be like this -- it's going to be from preinstalled systems. And I, for one, think that this trend is awesome.
Kudos to Everex, Asus, Zonbu and Dell. Let's see some more of these PCs!
Re:Good article (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Good article (Score:5, Insightful)
That depends on what you mean by user friendliness. Generally people refer to user friendliness as a metric of how easy it is to learn how to use a program, and not how productive one will be with said program. The latter is often sacrificed for the former (because it's less work to remove a feature than to make it easy to learn), but it doesn't have to be.
Now you're mixing the two up, assuming that making something easy to learn will instantly also make that program the most efficient way to get something done. This is an incorrect assumption. A program that is easy to learn does not imply that it is efficient, nor does a program being efficient imply that it is easy to use. Similarly, a program that is difficult to learn does not imply that it is efficient, nor does a program that is efficient mean that it is difficult to learn.
Obviously, making a program both easy to learn and efficient to use is the ideal. However, if you can actually figure out how to do so in any non-trivial case, you'll probably be able to retire by the time you're about 30.
For example, Notepad is a very easy to learn text editor. Notepad, however, is hideously inefficient for actually editing text with. In comparison, Vim is a difficult text editor to learn how to use, but once you know how to use it, you'll find yourself several orders of magnitude more efficient at editing text than someone who only uses Notepad. If you think that comparison is unfair, replace Notepad with your favourite word processor, but the large gap in efficiency does not change (though the ease of learning how to use it dips).
So yes, ease of learning is good, but efficiency of use is more important, especially for people who already know how to use the program. Unfortunately, ease of learning a program is more flashy and marketable than efficiency of use, and keeping in mind the quickest path to making something easier to use (removing features, as noted above), you can understand why people who already know how to use something really don't want developers to take the short road to making something easier to learn, as it gains the experienced user nothing, while possibly giving up feature(s) in return.
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Re:Good article (Score:4, Insightful)
They strive for user friendliness just as much as other distros.
However their targent audience is power users, not your average computer user.
People who dont mind opening a text editor to add a wifi key and people who want more power and control than what pretty guis can ever provide.
A few hours to set up wifi is somewhat incorrect.
On Gentoo I had to emerge madwifi-ng and then create a new symlink for the new init entry.
Out of the box it scans for the best open wireless network, connects and runs dhcp.
Adding a WEP access point is just a matter of telling it which AP uses which key. One simple line.
Not for your average user but its certainly not difficult.
asinine? (Score:3, Insightful)
> I hear this argument all the time. How companies trying to make Linux more accessible,
> through any means necessary, so long as they abide by the GPL, are working against the
> vision of Linux from the beginning. This is asinine.
no, this is a straw-man.
it's also a bizarre tangential rant. he was writing a (fairly lame and light-on) review of little linux-based desktop/laptop devices - and then suddenly goes off on this weird rant to pre-emptively address an entirely unheard criticism followed by an even more bizarre attack on imaginary "crazy whack-job" linux dudes who happen to be trapped in the 1990s for some unexplained reason.
Hey Matt, don't look now but your inferiority complex is showing! it must be way past time for your medication.
Re:Good article (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Good article (Score:2, Insightful)
Further, if someone makes a simple distro they aren't ripping Slackware from your hands. Rest assured that you will always enjoy the availability of elitist distros.
If anything, they just add to the pool of choice.
I wonder if the real gripes about simple Linux isn't about that the 1337 h4X0rZ feel that the unwashed masses are treading their turf. "It took me a decade to learn this crap, it should take you as much as well!"
OS X doesn't even do that... (Score:3, Insightful)
Mac OS X doesn't even try a damnfool thing like that.
Hell, even Windows doesn't try a damnfool thing like that.
Re:Good article (Score:5, Insightful)
I think, while by now people have learned to distinguish between "users" and "power users", there is one more level of distinction to be made. That is between "power users" and "system admins". I use command line a lot for my daily tasks, I custom and build some of the software I use, and I constantly tweak my ubuntu installation, so I consider myself a power user. OTOH, I don't consider myself a system admin, not when all I have to manage is 3 ubuntu desktops. For a system admin, yeah, learning how to do things in the bare metal way can be really beneficial, because it's cost effective when you have 278 system to amortize your effort with. It's a completely different economy for desktop users.
You say that as if "the bare-metal ways" don't change as often, if not more often. 8-)the great thing about Linux is ... it Linux (Score:3, Insightful)