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Fedora 8 Released 194

Cat in the Hat writes "Fedora 8 has been officially released. Ars Technica has a run-down of what's new in Fedora 8, including the PulseAudio sound daemon, Nodoka visual style, and a new authentication system. 'Another major change in Fedora 8 is the new PolicyKit authentication system that makes authority escalation more secure. Instead of providing root access to an entire program when it needs higher privileges, PolicyKit makes it possible to isolate individual operations that require higher privileges and put them into system services that can be accessed through D-Bus. Another advantage of PolicyKit is that it will give administrators more control over which users and programs have access to individual operations that use escalated privileges.'"
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Fedora 8 Released

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  • Re:Back on Track (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, 2007 @08:46PM (#21288909)
    You can't really performance-test RC against the release. RCs usually have lot of extra overhead caused by debugging flags turned on.
  • by schwaang ( 667808 ) on Thursday November 08, 2007 @10:08PM (#21289577)
    For past Fedora releases I've had slow torrent downloads (and I'm not even on Comcast). This time I downloaded at nearly full bore the whole time. I don't know why that is, but thank you seeds.
  • by Spy Hunter ( 317220 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:21AM (#21290541) Journal
    Thankfully, it does appear that PulseAudio is the One True sound server that we can all finally agree on. It emulates esd, OSS, and ALSA, so legacy apps like Flash and your smartphone work. It supports hotplug of audio devices, including networked ones (using Zeroconf even). It supports synchronized output between multiple devices, even when those devices use different sampling rates or have out-of-sync clocks (it resamples automatically). It has a zero-copy low latency architecture, taking advantage of the latest high resolution timer and real-time scheduling capabilities in new Linux kernels (when available), and it supports latency measurement for sound/video sync even when high latency is unavoidable (such as over a network). It has a modern user interface that provides per-application volume sliders like Windows Vista, and allows on-the-fly routing of audio to devices, including "saving" audio streams to another device if the device they are using is unplugged.

    The guys behind PulseAudio really "get it". They even decided to drop their typically-awful open-source project name "PolypAudio" in favor of the infinitely better "PulseAudio", for wider acceptance. You've got to give them points for that; the GIMP could learn a thing or two from them.
  • by Spy Hunter ( 317220 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:42AM (#21290723) Journal
    Oh, and I forgot to mention that PulseAudio has aspirations to become "Compiz for audio", providing earcandy effects such as surround-sound positioning for on-screen events (so sounds from a window on the left of the screen come from the left speaker, etc) and muffled sound from background windows (so the Flash ad in Firefox's background tab doesn't blast your eardrums and the new-mail notification doesn't sound over the movie you're watching full-screen).
  • by Spikeles ( 972972 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:43AM (#21290731)

    Once developers realize that PulsaAudio is on *every* modern system
    Yes, but isn't DSP supposed to be on *every* modern system? Then wasn't ESD.. no.. i'm sure it was ALSA.. no wait, wasn't it aRTS?
  • Finegrained security (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jandersen ( 462034 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @05:33AM (#21292299)
    ...PolicyKit makes it possible to isolate individual operations that require higher privileges...

    I'm not sure I like that one too much. Finegrained security models have always been a bloody nightmare, one way or another, and very often don't get used/are switched off, resulting in the opposite effect of that intended. Look to Vista to see why it sn't a good idea - users feel their are being bugged by constant dialog boxes asking them to confirm that it is OK to do trivial tasks, or asking for administrator passwords etc. People just want to get on with life, so this is a huge irritation - it may be true that all you need is to spend a little time and effort on setting it up, but people in general are not security minded and meticulous. This is, by the way, why Windows became so popular despite the huge problems with security and stability - a PC was almost an appliance that allowed you to use the internet and write documents, you just turned it on and used it.

    Vista isn't the only example of finegrained security, only the latest and perhaps the one that has succeeded in pissing off most people. Oracle has it's own, very finely grained model, which I have never seen used seriously; and then there is RACF on IBM's mainframes, not a joy to work with either, IMO.

    I think the basic UNIX security model is just about as much as most people want to bother with.
  • by MichaelSmith ( 789609 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @05:55AM (#21292411) Homepage Journal
    Which points to the underlying reason why VMS didn't take off like Unix. It had features to burn, and pretty good documentation, but no community such as existed for unix, bsd and linux.

    Even with decus the agenda was mostly controlled by DEC, and directed at selling more stuff. I knew most of the answer you gave to the GP's question, but I never played with that feature, even though I had seen it used.

    If there was most open source stuff available specifically for VMS I would have learned more. Unfortunately the freeware CD which DEC put out mainly contained ported UNIX apps.
  • by aztracker1 ( 702135 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @06:13AM (#21292499) Homepage
    On the same note, I may give it a try... if it detects my fakeraid, that would be nice (openSuSE did, but failed when initializing X for my desktop)... Latest ubuntu installed, but running two vidcards didn't work correctly, I had to remove one, and have both monitors on one card... S-L-O-W and no Compiz/Beryl :( .... if Fedora 8 can handle both video cards, and displays without issue, cool... if it supports the fakeraid, or at least has an easier to configure raid setup than the pain with Ubuntu.. I'll switch my main OS... most of my work is done in VMware anyways... so doesn't matter to me what my main OS is... As long as firefox, thunderbird, pidgin X-Chat run (pretty much everywhere). So long as I can use VMWare, I'm happy.

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