Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring Released 191
AdamWill writes "Mandriva is proud to announce the release of Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring. Download the hybrid live / install One or the purely free / open source software Free. Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring includes the latest software (KDE 3.5.6, GNOME 2.18, Firefox and Thunderbird 2.0) and several major new features: Metisse, the most innovative accelerated 3D desktop technology; open source telephony with WengoPhone; Google desktop applications including Picasa and Earth; updates and improvements to many of the Mandriva configuration tools, and the brand new drakvirt for configuring virtualization; significantly improved hardware support, including greatly improved graphics card detection and support for several common laptop memory card readers; and a brand new desktop theme. Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring is available in the full range of editions, including the freely downloadable One and Free, as well as the commercial Discovery, Powerpack and Powerpack+. For more information see the Spring product page and the Wiki page, where you can find download and installation instructions, the Release Tour, the Release Notes and the Errata."
Ubuntu is screwed. (Score:2)
If more distros like Mandriva include compositing window managers then Ubuntu is royally boned. And it is time for Gnome and KDE to start including some of Beryl, Compiz or Metisse's features into their window managers.
It is the next step in Linux distro evolution.
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To install beryl in Kubuntu: aptitude install beryl-kubuntu
To install beryl in Ubuntu: aptitude install beryl-ubuntu
To start beryl, type beryl-manager in a terminal.
That's it.
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Except if you have a vid card w/o good 3D drivers. Either you are SOL, or, if you have an ATi, have to jump through hoops to get Xgl working instead of AIGLX. And after you have set it up, it still has many, MANY usability issues. It's nice stuff, but years from being polished enough for the masses.
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Its integration into the desktop environment sucks. A million things stop working. E.g., I lost the option to middle-click and drag in Nautilus, since this suddenly rotates the cube
How is it bloated?
Look at the freaking Beryl settings manager.
What? It has everything clearly labeled and sorted into different perfectly sensible sections.
Oh, I see, you have never worked with the majority of users -- non-experts. Get back to me when you have experience with them. Hint: as long as changing a set
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Beryl is not integrated into Gnome/KDE. And it breaks Gnome themes. Beryl should use Gnome/KDE?XFCE Themes and not it's own.
If you look at the settings manager, There is way to many choices. I turned on one effect and it crashed the system. In the end, it corrupted the partition when I tried to reboot.
And I HAVE USED BERYL. I had to reinstall Ubuntu to get rid of the piece of crap. I don't reinstall it ever again. Settings manager has TO MANY settings. Newbies require less to setup, not more.
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I'm sick of Linux (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:I'm sick of Linux (Score:5, Insightful)
I use it, wouldn't switch to a mac for the world. They don't even have the keys where they should be!
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Perhaps for all the reasons you just mentioned: You don't have to spend hours getting the window manager to work right. It doesn't want to run in only 1024x768@60hz. You don't need to manually edit an xorg.conf, or have the experience required to do so. You can watch movies on it very easily. Configuring the shell isn't a pain. There is plenty of choice in hardware.
Remind me again why Windows is no option?
Side note: N
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Come to think of it, having an easily editable xorg.conf makes things MUCH easier, no need to mess with installing monitors, then making the OS somehow recognize what monitor it is, just edit a couple of lines (and xorg.conf is one of the m
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If you don't mind the differences between the two versions, then you probably shouldn't waste your time with an updated Bash. Since I already had Xcode installed, and I already know how to co
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How hard is it to add a couple of "widthxheight" in a text file? Or even easier: to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg so you can add them by just selecting the resolution (and giving your monitor refresh rates at the same time).
Oh, and by the way, if you had fired up an IRC client and connected to #ubuntu, it would have probably taken you 5 minutes tops.
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As hard as it was to type xcopy a:\dir c:\docs
It is easy when you know that adding *wdhtxlhegt=23131" in the *xrghdpg.xcfngh* file under the "/etc/xconklfg" folder is going to solve your problems. But you see, the problem is how the heck do you get to know how to do that... For some things it might be easy to know the commands wit
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I'm in a situation similar to yours. I've also used Slackware for as long as I've been using Linux and even though I've used all sorts of other distros, including SUSE at work, I keep coming back to it. I also use OS X heavily since my laptop is a Mac and I run pretty much the same set of tools there as I do in Slackware.
If you're comparing OS X to Linux in terms of desktop use (i.e. users wh
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Nope, you're right. Besides, the MacBook Pro is by far the fastest computer I've ever had. Much faster than the game machine / fileserver. But before the MBP I used the iMac G3 I had to type my stories and books in. Giving away that thing was a bad mistake. I'm now working on my next book, on the MBP. Typing on a laptop sucks even more than I had imagined. I could of course use my Ubuntu mach
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As for the room being cold, there's an easy solution for that:
1. Turn on the Macbook Pro in there
2. Open a terminal
3. Run "openssl speed"
4. Enjoy your new tropical climate
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So plug a full-sized keyboard into it!
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I'm still regularly frustrated by some problems that come again and again with each release, it is tiring, yes. But I'm not sick with it yet. Really good job have been done, some features are wonderful (drak-* and package management is 98% operational), uptime is good, custom adjustments unbeatable.
And as you said it "Linux is now really almost ready for the desktop, and world domination is just around the corner", so keep the fai
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I, for one, welcome our new time-travelling overlords! Could you please tell us if 2007 was the year of Linux on the desktop?
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Use easyubuntu (I think it's a package in multiverse, failing that google it). It works pretty well to get stuff like flash plugin and multimedia stuff working. Also, the Ubuntu Guide [ubuntuguide.org] is pretty good as far as documentation goes.
A few weeks ago my windows install here in work crapped itself and I thought I might as well give Ubuntu a go. It's great! Much faster and I've my system set up exactly the way I want it to. Having said that though, if I had the choi
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OT: Lulu is quite OK. It's easy to get your book published there. The only pity is that the shipping price to Europe makes my books so expensive. Mail me if you want some advice from an experienced Lulu publisher
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There's your mistake. To quote the Old Testament...
"Remember your first love."
Although I must admit that apostasy is something that I also have been guilty of in this case as well. Slackware was my first distribution, and although I've tried numerous others including Linux From Scratch, (and have an installation of Ubuntu on my system as we speak) there's just always been something intangible missing. To paraphrase another deeply corny saying, "Once you've had Sla
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Secondly, I personally rate Mandriva way above Ubuntu, I've used Mandriva for about three times as long as Ubuntu has even existed. After all the hype I did ditch Mandriva for Ubuntu for a while, but it was so frustrating that I switched back. The installer for Mandriva is second to none (whe
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Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Mandriva is a legitimate zero cost commercially supported desktop Linux distribution. There is only one other distribution in that category: Ubuntu. Having a bunch of distros in the same niche would be redundant, but having two is a good thing. Mandriva is definatly one of the major players, and they have been for a very long time.
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Mepis and Pioneer are minor players. There are a lot of minor players, and many of them fall in the "having a bunch of players in the same niche is redundant" category. I'm not going to try to judge individual minor distros, but I will say that for most users a major distro is probably a better choice.
OpenSuSE (like Fedora) is a "demo version" of SuSE Linux. I see no reason to consider it separately from SuSE Linux - it doesn't stand alone the way something like Debian does, and it doesn't allow seamless
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About 6 billion distributions would be nice, one for each person on Earth. Change the kernel, change the desktop environment, customize (not just the GUI or settings) your applications as you see fit, and add or remove whatever you wish from the stock distribution. That is why I truly enjoy using Linux. I know that there is some nit picking to be made about what is a "distribution", but I am sure everyone understands what I mean.
To illustrate what I mean:
I wish Mandriva well, and hope that they no long
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I'm going to found a company that is dedicated to supporting a desktop environment that is different for every user. I will be rich!
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Pretty much one per person. It's hard to roll a distro though, so we tend to share many of them.
There's only 12 versions being released here so it doesn't help much percentage-wise, but it's a step in the right direction.
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With something as interesting and configurable as GNU/Linux, many people are going to tinker and come to the conclusion that the distros out there don't meet their needs, and some of them are going to develop distros that DO meet their needs, and share them. Some of
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How many ways are there to partition the universe of users into sets, such that the members of each set have more in common with each other than they have with users outside the set?
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Re:Why? (Score:4, Informative)
Both of which were forks of Redhat, leaving us with two distros where initially there was one.
Re:my dream... (Score:4, Interesting)
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Yeah, and if everybody came together, we'd all love each other and there'd be ponies...
Get a clue. It's not going to happen.
Unless of course YOU want to PAY ALL these people a decent salary to work on YOUR distro.
Which is what Shuttleworth is trying, basically.
And I doubt he's going to succeed in anything less than another ten years or so, if then, because even he doesn't have the money to pay everybody with an idea to work for him.
As someone once said, "Most of the smart people in the IT industry do NOT wo
Re:Here's why: (Score:4, Interesting)
Simple desktop distros: Ubuntu and Mandriva.
Enterprise-priced server support: Red Hat and SuSE.
Community supported for techies: Debian and Gentoo.
Localized in Chinese: Red Flag.
I wouldn't really consider any of the other distros to be "major" (ignoring non general-purpose PC platforms).
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Community supported for techies: Debian and Gentoo."
Pidgeonholing Debian into a "community supported" group just isn't accurate - remember the article a few months back about HP attributing $25 million/year in sales to their support for Debian? http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/
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Well, "techies" tend to work in IT positions for companies, so those companies end up running Debian as servers and even desktops.
But you simply can't include Debian as an enterprise, commercially supported distro in the same way as Red Hat Enterprise and Suse. $25 million for HP is a drop in the bucket in that regard.
An article I found sales the following:
HP had $600 million in Linux-based server sales in the fourth quarter of 2006 alone, which would suggest that, if the multiples are the same, HP's Linux-
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Slackware is extremely popular among Slackware users, but I'm not sure that there's really any reason for a new user to adopt Slackware.
What advantage does Slackware really have over one of FreeBSD, Debian, or Gentoo?
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I found it to be the other way around, but that's probably a way of which kind of help you prefer.
I'd put it like this:
Professional Linux - RHEL, CentOS, SLES, Debian stable
Testbed platforms for professional Linux - Fedora, SUSE, Debian unstable
Easy Linux - Ubuntu, Mandriva (SUSE is not included because YaST tends to complicate things at some point)
Linux for technies - Gentoo, Slack
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Anyway, I've always found Mandrake easy to configure (with their drake- graphical utilities). In some ways it was easier than Ubuntu. It certainly had a friendlier (though not easier) install process. Drakedisk was the most intuitive, stable, and asthetically pleasing graphical partition manager I've used. It was far better than Ubuntu's offering in that area.
The thing that Ubuntu did better than mandrake enough to make me switch though was package management. Mandrake had OK management, actually, good management for the pay-version, but the free version had to either hack something together to use their freely accessable but intended for-pay package servers or hunt down updates for every package manually.
easyurpmi? (Score:4, Informative)
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you know how to click on the link in his message, right? Graphical interfaces can be user-friendly, but so can a simple command in a terminal window. The page shows what to update, and you just have to copy/paste it into a terminal, if you are so frightened about it.
I more like metadistros like Gentoo Linux, which I chose after I got tired of dependency hell in Mandrake (also that I had to use Penguin Liberation Front to get mplayer and such) a couple of years ago. That is probably much better to
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It has been a while since I've had to do that though. Most everything is either already provided by urpmi or the install directions that come with the applications are sufficient to getting everything going without hassle. I
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This is frustrating because I like the FTP installs and have some hardware that needs a few changes to the drivers before they are compiled. It seems easier to start from scratch and build the kernel and all after downloading the source t
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The 'installing Mandriva' page on the wiki - http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Installing_Mandri va_Linux [mandriva.com] - has full instructions on doing a network install (among other types). It's linked from most of the release PR.
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There still isn't anything showing were the source files are kept. If i hadn't been using Madrake since version 8.0 and doing source installs i never would have known how to find them. All the information Mandriva gives is to find the ISO, and on some wikki page, how to do an alternative
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As you say, all the advertising is present no matter what type of install you do, so what possible reason do you have to assume some kind of penny-pinching malice as the 'reason' we're 'hiding' the files? I just don't get it at all.
If you're really asking for a list of mirrors:
http://api.mandriva.com/mirrors/basic.2007.1.i586. list [mandriva.com]
it's really not that hard to find one. Easy URPMI, smart URPMI, http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/CookerMirr [mandriva.com]
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And "it's really not that hard to find one" is a cop out. Doesn't the GPL say you have to make them available in the same place you made the GPLed work available? I am sumdu
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What other motive is there? What other reasons could there be for hiding the source repository for an open-source product? Maybe they only get ad revenue from the ISOs because thats the only way they can count the installs? I don't know. but what I do know is that there is a concerted effort to hide these files from normal users like me.
And "it's really not that hard to find one" is a cop out. Doesn't the GPL say you have to make them available in the
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ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Man drivaLinux/official/2007.1/SRPMS/main/release/ [jussieu.fr]
How long would it take someone who hasn't paid for Club access to find them?
Well, for a start, I don't see what paying for Club access has to do with anything. 'A mirror list' is not among the privileges of Club me
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Then you probably don't know http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ [zarb.org]
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Ubuntu has Synaptic. Just click the check-boxes for whatever repositories you want. Even the suspect ones. I do wish they had finer control though: I'd like some kind of assurance I'm not going to accidentally pick up a multiverse updat
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Well, to be fair, when last I used Mandriva - 2006 version - the only "hack" you had to do was go to a Web site, select your repositories, then cut and past the command line the Web site generated for you into a terminal and hit return.
Dumb that it had to be done that way, but it worked fine. No matter what the legalities of what repositories, Mandriva should have a way to configure the repositories without having to go anywhere outside of Mandriva.
Once the repositories were set, package management was abou
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It's not dumb to do an upgrade ... it is supported. However, you do need to read the errata [mandriva.com], especially the section on installation [mandriva.com] for the new release to know about the potential problems.
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Remember that a lot of users (those who run cooker) do upgrades (via urpmi) daily or weekly
I'm still on Mandriva (Score:5, Informative)
I am now a full time Linux admin, and while I typically use either RHEL/CentOS or Debian on the server, the few Linux workstations in my company are all running Mandriva. The partitioning tool and hardware support are just the best of any distribution I've tried, and with a quick trip to easyurpmi to set up the external repositories, the userland is the best out there as well. I find PLF way easier to use than all the tricks required to get media codecs and such on Ubuntu.
And I still like it enough that even though I do Linux administration for a living, I still offer free Mandriva email support, which perhaps 10 of you have taken me up on, some of you frequently. Seriously...have a problem, I'll help you out if I can. Nothing against the other distros, but despite its reputation as being for beginners, I haven't found anything about it that's less friendly to experienced admins (for instance, the drak tools don't overwrite hand-edited config files the way SuSE's YaST does). Can anyone tell me what has started the 'less good for experts' tagline, other than that experts don't like to be seen using the distro that all the new users are trying out?
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I use it at work also. And no, there are no arbitrary restrictions on functionality, and nothing stupid like what you mention with YaST. It's still very much like
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In those past 7 years I've been really pleased with Mandrake/Mandriva because the config tools are generally fairly comprehensive so you can mess about altering things manually to learn how they work and then once you've really screwed everything up let drakconf fix it for you. It's certainly good for learners but
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So if anyone
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See, now, here we have another example.
The above two posts are about Mandriva not doing adequate testing.
Folk, this is now true about ALL of the distros. There appear to be no exceptions. I've seem this problem with Kubuntu, Mandriva, Suse, Fedora - you name it.
The simple fact is that Linux and all its attendent packages is now TOO COMPLEX for even the commercial Linux companies to adequately test their releases. Too much stuff - especially stuff that will affect new users like installation failings and pac
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Mark is that you?
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(Adam = Club Monkey was most likely given a PR written thing to post so he posted it)
everybody do yourself a favour and check the MD5 sums of your roms there are 2 sets running about and RTFD before you do your install and when in doubt ask on the mandriva Club forums (have a box of banannas handy if you have Borken Your Boxen)
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I've met exactly one person in five years using apt on Mandriva. A few more using smart, but still not many.
Otherwise, well - basically, we beg to differ. As you say, time will tell who's right.
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Why don't you take a few breaths before pronouncing the death of rpm?
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This is not a problem with rpm, it is only the way it is used. Mandriva has allowed multiple library versions installed in parallel since about 8.1 (due to the library packaging policy).
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Zooming out to view all virtual desktops like a fullscreen pagerhas much more value (to me) than a cube—it's essentially Exposé for virtual desktops, except it's actually useful because you always know where everything's going to be.
The ability to rearrange tools in windows so that what you want is where you want it is something I've wanted for ever
Re:Metisse seems like a novelty. (Score:4, Interesting)
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Some of the weird tilting effects by themselves are completely useless, but if you start dragging text to copy it from a non-topmost window, a window partial obscuring it automatically tilts away so you can see what you're copying.
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Finishing sentences is overrated when you're hungry at want lunch. I was just going to say I'd only tried it for two or thre
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I found very useful-looking stuff here [insitu.lri.fr], like this [insitu.lri.fr].
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It will use your graphics card acceleration if it can; it ran very nicely for me on my new laptop using modern 32-accelerated Intel integrated graphics. I also tried it on my old laptop which has very old Intel integrated graphics using the i810 driver (nothing like the modern stuff!) and it ran very nicely considering. But on an old desktop with a 32 MB NVidia graphics card with very simple 32 acceleration (I assume it used the proprietry drivers on the Mandriva live cd)
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AeroGlass on two thirds of the hardware
Re:Google Earth is compelling? (Score:4, Funny)
Well... If you troll Google Earth over the San Fernando Valley (home of the American porn industry), you can spy in on all the outdoor porn shoots.
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Don't be afraid to try Kubuntu; I did. Here's how: (Score:2)
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Heard of Google?
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but, um, if you didn't want GNOME, why did you download the *GNOME* One version? The One versions are always labelled.
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