Pre-Installed Linux On Dells Coming 340
When Michael Dell took back the reins of he company he founded, one of the first things he did was to launch the feedback site Dell Idea Storm. Following up on the recent Slashdot discussion of the early results of this experiment — an overwhelming expressed desire for pre-loaded Linux — Dell reports on what it plans to do with this feedback. Quoting: "[W]e are working with Novell to certify our corporate client products for Linux, including our OptiPlex desktops, Latitude notebooks and Dell Precision workstations. [On the question of which distro to choose:] "[T]here is no single customer preference for a distribution of Linux... We want users to have the opportunity to help define the market for Linux on desktop and notebook systems. In addition to working with Novell, we are also working with other distributors and evaluating the possibility of additional certifications across our product line."
I hope Ubuntu is an option..... (Score:5, Interesting)
Second, it has both versions available to the public for free being the Long Term Support release and the more bleeding edge. Unlike Red Hat, Ubuntu is willing to "eat its own dog food." Even on the more bleeding edge releases of Ubuntu I don't get the impression that I am running a broken beta release like I did on Fedora.
Third, if you want to utilize it within the workplace you can sell it to management that there is official support available via Canonical, although there are other means of support as well. In addition it has already gained commercial acknowledgement through vendors such as Sun, IBM, and MySQL etc.
Last, but not least because it's completely free Dell can install it on a system and not have to add the associated cost of a license. Perhaps let the user make a donation for each installation of Ubuntu?
Yeah, right. (Score:5, Interesting)
Just watch. They'll put Linux on one overpriced laptop, won't make it cheaper than the version with Windows and Office, and will hide the order page for it. Then they'll claim the market doesn't want Linux.
Because if they do more than that, Microsoft will cut their discount.
Dell used to have a Linux laptop. They discontinued it.
Wal-Mart used to have a Linux laptop. They discontinued it.
HP used to have a Linux laptop. They discontinued it.
Crapplets (Score:3, Interesting)
But I fear the coming of the Linux Crapplets. I fear what happens when AOL starts placing icons on my Gnome desktop.
And I pray that Dell does the right thing and drops the crapplets -- insist that they stop paying per machine sold and start just paying for Windows licenses sold, and use the money saved there to avoid preloading random crap other than the OS.
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I hope Ubuntu is an option..... (Score:5, Interesting)
They can start .. (Score:3, Interesting)
I did a consulting job for help desk at a gaming company and more than always it was odd dell desktops and laptops that had issues or had very bad drivers. Dell loves to modify their video hardware so vanilla nvidia and ati drivers wont work. Sometimes new laptops have drivers from 2005 that wont run many games properly and no recourse to upgrade the drivers.
Also I have never seen techs load tcp/ip stacks on systems that fail to authenticate to a domain controller. Sound odd? It happens with Dell corporate desktops. At a former college they had a guy whose sole job was to run around with a diskette that had the proprietary tcp/ip stack
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:5, Interesting)
HP/Dell can do whatever they want, MSFT can play its tricks withing legal limits. If linux deserves it and is really needed, someone will start offering it soon.
IMHO, so far OSS have been bogged down by bad user experience. We are at juncture where its changing. Look at Ubuntu frenzy.
I wish Vista crams more DRM and they discontinue anything but $500 enterprise ultimate editoon (or whatever its called). And, Dell and HP dont offer any thing in Linux. That way one day when I am looking for new job, I can create Linux-only-Dell
Bottom line -- we should stop whining and making the user experience better and better.
dell playing to the microsoft/novell patent-troll? (Score:2, Interesting)
users can "help define the market" (Score:3, Interesting)
Gee. Thanks, Dell! We users wouldn't be able to define the market on our own without your permission.
Vanilla "Linux"? (Score:3, Interesting)
It's great that the system cost might be lower if the Windows tax isn't applied, but is anyone who prefers Linux really going to use whatever comes installed? Most will wipe it as soon as they get it, just like you would if you ordered a Windows box/laptop. I think what would be nice (though certainly not a productive business model for Dell) would be to step up their options for OS-free machines and then put the energy otherwise spent on Linux installations on creating a repository of drivers for ALL platforms for their hardware. That way you could install whatever the hell you want but have some help with the hardware fun that all Linux users spend so much time on.
Linux users, for the overwhelmingly large part, seem to me to be roll-your-own types, and fairly advanced in their understanding of stuff like this compared to their Windows (and even OSX) counterparts. So why not work with that instead of making this "Linux alternative" option viable?
Re:idiot slashdot readers (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I hope Ubuntu is an option..... (Score:2, Interesting)
It would be nice to see Canonical step in to support Ubuntu desktops. I'm assuming here that the RHEL and SLED taxes will replace the MS tax and if Canonical came up with an OEM support package at a fixed cost to Dell, I think it could be very competive and attractive.
The advantage of offering a distro with the reputation of being "easy" is fairly obvious and with the inclusion of CNR, commercial software could be easily installed. Under the bonnet, there's the Debian heritage of stability (yeah I know Ubuntu is from "unstable", the stable releases are still... stable. :-?) and the niceness of apt.
Then again, the cynic in me thinks there's a chance Dell will provide broken desktop installs, or at least systems that require more experience on the part of the user, just to shut people up while not effecting the relationship with MS. (I'm not saying RHEL or SLED are inherently complicated or broken BTW, just that MS is pretty intrenched in some circles)
This can only be a great thing for drivers ! (Score:1, Interesting)
You can't keep a good thing down forever. The masses obviously want Linux on PCs and laptops and it will only be a matter of time before a customer responsive company (Dell or otherwise) answers the call. The fact that Dell advertised for ideas and got such an overwhelming response requesting Linux means it something that can no longer be ignored.
Dell BIOS (Score:5, Interesting)
In January, Dell released a new firmware upgrade. The upgrade notes made no mention of the Linux problem but after I re-flashed the firmware, the problem disappeared. So, if Dell starts testing their hardware and BIOS with various Linux distros - that will be a very good thing.
Funny you should bring up politics... (Score:3, Interesting)
Why would I want my pro-Linux dollars shooting me in the foot?
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:3, Interesting)
I have come to the conclusion that Dell cannot stop lying about the whole thing, so put up this idea an an alternative :
http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/63774/I
Re:Idiotic Move (Score:2, Interesting)
The fact that there Dell only sells XP installed laptops is the only reason I wouldn't buy from them directly. Their latitude D620 and their desktop core 2 duo boxes all work well with OpenSuse, even the rotatable LCD panels work. If Dell goes this direction they might gain traction with the portion of the computer industry that isn't keen on being locked into a Microsoft solution, this segment does exist, they end up going to a third party that redoes the install, or do it themselves currently.
They have a serious problem with complex tiering on their website incidentally, whatever happened to making things easy to purchase and compare. The Linux options for home and small business up to medium sized business laptops were nonexistent, all Vista. Wasn't someone saying a latitude could be purchased with Linux? I jumped at the chance to grab one, and it was not there. Guess they plan on doing this in the future.
Re:Codecs by default! (Score:3, Interesting)
It's funny that it is acceptable to install codecs on Windows, but not on Linux. Last time I checked, Windows did not come with MPEG2/DVD support, DivX/XviD support, etc.