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SuSE Linux 9.2 Professional Released 267

Posted by michael from the if-you-love-something-let-it-go dept.
InnerPhalanx writes "Today, SuSE 9.2 Professional Edition has been released. SuSE writes: 'It combines a fast, secure operating system and more than 1,000 popular open source applications. It is the first complete Linux package to harness both the improved Linux kernel 2.6 and the recently enhanced GNOME 2.6 and KDE 3.3 user desktop environments. Ideal for Linux enthusiasts and developers, SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 improves support for mobile users and delivers a host of essential tools.' More information at the SuSE website. The price is $89.95. The update version is $59.95. A live DVD image is also available on the SuSE website, for use by DVD. Have fun, SuSE Pro users!" Reader tannhaus submits an early review.
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  • How about a laptop (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    So when will Dell ship a SUSE laptop with compatablity right out of the box?

    • Re:How about a laptop (Score:2, Interesting)

      by atta1 ( 558607 )
      When enough people express an interest in buying one that it will be worth the trouble to change their factory process and build an image to put on it. In other words, not anytime soon.

    • Re:How about a laptop (Score:3, Interesting)

      by sloanster ( 213766 ) *
      Dunno about Dell, but HP will ship an NX5000 laptop with suse preinstalled right now.

    • Re:How about a laptop (Score:3, Interesting)

      by IANAAC ( 692242 )
      Don't know about manufacturers shipping laptops with Linux preloaded, but SUSE, since 9.0 at least, has loaded very nicely on four different laptops I've thrown at it (currently running 9.1 on all but one).

      As a matter of fact, I've had much better luck installing/upgrading SUSE than I've had upgrading XP Home to XP Pro.

      While nobody was looking (or they were focusing on RedHat/Fedora) SUSE's become a top-notch distro.

    • It's not about popularity, it's about Microsoft. To gain the right to ship OEM verions of Windows, most computer manufacturers had to sign a contract, part of which states that they can't ship any other OS with their hardware. At the time, Linux wasn't nearly as big as it is now, so companies didn't realize they were signing away their rights as much as they were. In fact, I think Dell is really screwed because I believe they also have such an agreement with Intel as well.

    • Not pre-shipped but... (Score:4, Informative)

      by Knara ( 9377 ) on Friday October 29, 2004 @03:48PM (#10667306)
      I just got (yesterday) a Dell Inspiron 600m and installed SUSE 9.1 on it.

      Believe it or not, the install worked better out of the box than installing XP Pro and using their shrinkwrapped driver CDs.

      As far as I can tell, everything was detected automatically. I haven't played with it much yet, but nothing leaps out as broken or non-functional.

      And for us techno-types, that's pretty nice.

  • The Linux Mirror Project... (Score:5, Informative)

    by tcopeland ( 32225 ) * <tom@NoSPaM.thomasleecopeland.com> on Friday October 29, 2004 @10:44AM (#10663458) Homepage
    ...is hosting BitTorrents of the SuSE 9.2 LiveCDs here [tlm-project.org]. 1.3 TB [tlm-project.org] transferred on the DVD so far!

    • Re:The Linux Mirror Project... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by suso ( 153703 ) on Friday October 29, 2004 @11:09AM (#10663752) Journal
      For those of you that live around Bloomington, IN. Suso Technology Services [suso.org] will give away free copies of the live CDs (Gnome and KDE) versions. They should be ready later today like around 5pm. We'll be open til 7pm.

      Pick them up at:
      Fountain Square Mall, Suite 008B
      101 W. Kirkwood Ave.
      Bloomington, IN

      • Re:The Linux Mirror Project... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by psyco484 ( 555249 ) on Friday October 29, 2004 @11:39AM (#10664116)
        Additionally while SuSE doesn't distribute their "professional" version in cd image format, net installs are of the professional distribution and are very easy to do. They offer a boot cd image (or a floppy disk set) to get the net install started. There are a lot of mirrors around the world and the net installs are usually pretty speedy.
        • Novell actually gave out a 4 DVD set with all this server software on it and a DVD of Pro 9.1. It was my first SuSE exposure, but unfortunately the damn thing constantly overheated my laptop. I'm looking forward to the new power management features.
          • Ah, the "Linux Technical Resource Kit." I did get one of those a couple months ago (though, it took about 2 months from request to actually receiving it). Very nice to be able to check out SLES8 and Openexchange Server (though both products are now available for download at http://www.novell.com/products/ [novell.com] it seems, wish I knew that before I went and waited a couple months for them). I'm not 100% sure how I feel about Novell, but that was definitely a nice gesture. The link for the resource kit was http: [novell.com]

  • Question (Score:5, Interesting)

    by humuhumunukunukuapu' ( 678704 ) on Friday October 29, 2004 @10:44AM (#10663461)
    Is there a need to upgrade SuSE [ever] if I use APT to keep up with the latest and greatest packages?

    It's something I have always wondered. Do I not need to worry until they release v10? Or do I not even need to worry then because I can use apt to get the updates they make to Yast et al?

    Or will the packages for 9.2/10 be in a different repository than those for 9.1?

    • Re:Question (Score:3, Informative)

      by purplebear ( 229854 )
      Updates for each version of SuSE have always been in separate repositories. If you want to stick to standard packages, you'll have to upgrade.
    • ive always wondered the same thing. as i understand it, apt(et al) doesnt get you the major package updates, just patches. gentoo's updates are not like this, iirc. im no expert, tho.

      also, nice username. im only 1/32 hawaiian and have never even been there, so is that the abbreviated spelling nowadays? i figured the apostrophe is for the two missing a's.

    • Re:Question (Score:5, Informative)

      by sloanster ( 213766 ) * <ringfan@@@mainphrame...com> on Friday October 29, 2004 @11:53AM (#10664324) Journal
      I will definitely want to go to 9.2 for various reasons, I don't see any benefit to staying on 9.1 when it's easy and free to upgrade. While current and older releases will continue to get security fixes for awhile, many packages will never get upgraded, and you'll need to move forward to get some of the fresher goodies in 9.2 (and later versions)

      As far as upgrading 9.1 to 9.2 via apt, it is just a matter of pointing your apt sources to a 9.2 repository - next "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" cycle will get you on 9.2 -

  • Thinking of Switching your Enterprise To SuSE? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 29, 2004 @10:45AM (#10663466)
    You may be interested in this then:

    Last January the borough of Newham in London reversed course on a planned change to Linux after a consultant's report said Windows would cost $600,000 less to support each year. The Finnish city of Turku also changed its mind about dumping Windows after a three-year experiment with Linux showed employees resisted the switch. There are reports of glitches and cost overruns from other Linux adopters, including Munich and the German Parliament, which had to revert to Windows servers temporarily in mid-October when a third of its 5,000 PC users couldn't access the Internet or get e-mail.

    From http://businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_45/b39 07083_mz054.htm

    Read it for additional information.
    • Isn't funny how the guy that posts this does so as 'Anonymous Coward' - we may have worked out who steveb or billg was
    • I use SUSE at home and I enjoy it, that said I don't see how this posting is -1 troll.

      This kind of crap on /. needs to be fixed or it will stop being such a great site. You have all the tin foil hat people that say how they fear any new technology becuase it will be an invasion of privcay. You have the people that start yelling about teh goverments actions before the even read the article and you have the we hate microsoft so much we willmod posts that are citical of linux to -1 troll. It's getting crowded
      • And let's not forget the political modding. Say one thing that slightly supports one candidate or the other (although, especially a conservative candidate like "Bush doesn't eat babies! He just hunts them.") and prepare to have your post moderated into oblivion.

        The other major problem with the moderation system is how how one post, say a post that many people find funny, but others find offensive, can completely decimate your karma. On my old account I went from Excellent karma to Terrible because of one
      • I use SUSE at home and I enjoy it, that said I don't see how this posting is -1 troll.

        Easy, he's painting a distorted picture, using innuendo and carefully selected opinions to make it sound as though linux doesn't work, and windows does.

        It's an obvious troll.
      • The fact that the post is somewhat anti-linux doesn't make it a troll, agreed. It has little to do with the release of Suse 9.2, so it is by definition off topic. What makes it a troll though is the signal to noise ratio. Read the parent again, it's just a copy and paste of a news article along with the link to businessweek. No additional commentary, no effort to conduct intelligent conversation, and no intention of responding to any replies. He's just posting copied text that is likely to generate controve
        • I tried SuSE 9.1 on my workstation and immediately noticed a problem integrating it into our windows environment.

          We named our domain mt.local, because that's what our MCSE-trained consultants told us to do, ignoring the fact that Rendezvous uses that tld for local domain browsing.

          Our Macs using osX broke immediately, of course, but there's a patch to their DNS resolver that fixes it, so we patched them and stopped worrying about it.

          Apparently SuSE 9.1 supports Rendezvous, as the exact same behavior cropp
    • Mods, read the article [businessweek.com] in question. This is not even close to a troll. It is something that is on topic and people should see it. The article is quite interesting and does not takes sides. It is also not something that would ever be allowed on the front page becasue it presents an objective overview of the problems that Linux adoption has faced in Europe. If nothing else, this shoudl be a good lesson for future adoption efforts. Some of the mods just dont want people to read this becasue it is not full of

      • Some of the mods just dont want people to read this becasue it is not full of glowing praise.

        You must be new here. The post was a troll, probably somebody throwing a hissy fit because their article didnt get posted. If the article they submitted had as much thought provoking commentary as the post did, than it's not surprising. The folks who modded it down recognized that the article linked had nothing to do with suse 9.2, and beyond some copying and pasting from the article, the post had no substance.

    • On the off-chance that the parent is not a willing troll, here's some additional info on one of those - Newham. No "reverse course" there (the OSS consultant suggested a mixed upgrade, not a full OSS migration) They used the OSS trials as baragaining chip to get the Windows deployment price down:

      Netproject's Eddie Bleasdale says his consultancy was used as a negotiating tool to get a better deal out of Microsoft. He argues that the council never really intended to deploy an open source solution at all - b

  • Update version at Amazon for $55 free shipping (Score:5, Informative)

    by UnderAttack ( 311872 ) * on Friday October 29, 2004 @10:46AM (#10663481) Homepage
    I wasn't able to find the update version at Suse.com. However, it looks like Amazon.com got it (with free 'super saver' shipping):

    Suse Linux Professional 9.2 Upgrade Strong Encryption 128 Bit [amazon.com]
    • I thought it was just early when I received an e-mail yesterday stating it had been released and pointing me to the SuSE store. They only show 9.1.
      Since it still only shows 9.1, it looks like someone at Digital River is slacking.

      Also notice that Amazon says you get a $35 discount. The show the retail price of the full version for the upgrade, then show the actual price of the upgrade as their discounted price.

    • But they suck anyway. I've had problems with 4 of the last 5 orders I placed with them. And with the exchange rate being what it is*, it's probably cheaper to order it from Amazon.com anyway. I guess Bush is good for something after all.

      * USD$1.00 = CDN$0.821

  • That's a big download (Score:3, Insightful)

    by RealAlaskan ( 576404 ) on Friday October 29, 2004 @10:46AM (#10663486) Homepage Journal
    That live DVD is 1.3GBytes. SuSE is smart: they don't host it, they just have a bunch of links to mirrors. Maybe the SuSE site won't go down. The mirrors might be in trouble...

    So, nobody use the mirror I'm downloading from for about an hour and a half, so I have a chance to get done.

  • Slashdotters, I have always used the free downloaded version and have fond the fonts not that crisp and clear. Installing M$ fonts made several KDE apps unstable. Anyone know whether the fonts in SuSE 9.1/9.2 are any better?
    • Despite my other problems with SuSe 9.1 Pro, I have been quite happy with the fonts provided. They're quite nice. My eyes aren't that great, so I'm picky about that...
    • AFAIKT, SuSE used to ship with the patented Freetype bytecode interpreter turned on. A couple of releases ago, the fonts suddenly looked worse because they turned it off. (At least this seems to be what happened when I did some searching on the subject.)

      However, if you read a few HOWTOs, you can install the source RPM, change a #define to turn it back on, recompile and reinstall. I think it's a big improvement, but people seem to have varying opinions on whether the patented or non-patented hinting looks

  • DVD??? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Omniscientist ( 806841 )
    So you can download this for free of course, but its a DVD image? meaning those of us without dvd burners (i'm assuming alot of us don't own those) are forced into buying this if we want to try it out?

    • Re:DVD??? (Score:2, Troll)

      by pomakis ( 323200 )
      So you can download this for free of course, but its a DVD image? meaning those of us without dvd burners (i'm assuming alot of us don't own those) are forced into buying this if we want to try it out?

      Since you can buy a DVD burner for less than the cost of the SuSE DVDs ($89.95), this sounds like a great justification for you to buy a DVD burner.

    • I'm not 100% sure how SuSE Pro works (is it even available for a free?). But with regards to the Live version, you can download the full live DVD images, or you can download a DVD image of SuSE GNOME or SuSE KDE. Each of which is less than 700MB.
    • Doesn't SUSE allow network installs?
    • Well, you could use one of those DVD emulator programs (http://downloads-zdnet.com.com/Original-CD-CDRW-D VD-Emulator/3000-2646-10321215.html) and rip the entire thing to your hard drive, then install from there. I'm not sure of the details, but I'm sure it would be possible.
    • ... so download one of the cd-rom images for the LiveCD or wait for the FTP install stuff to be available in a short while. RTFA.

    • Re:DVD??? (Score:2, Interesting)

      by MrTheBunny ( 728979 )
      To answer your question, I don't have a DVD burner (it's on my chrismas list) but was able to install SUSE on my box : I downloaded and installed SUSE 9.2 Personal Edition a few weeks ago, it's a single CD image. After installing it I went into YAST and added a installation reference to one of the SUSE FTP sites. I was then able to download the kernel source (I needed it to install 3d acceleration on my ATI...) So you don't need the DVD. I also remember trying the 9.0 pro version that came on CDs (4 or 7

  • great for laptops (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 29, 2004 @10:57AM (#10663608)
    I have been running it since RC3, and they have really focused on laptops in this release. It installed smoothly on my HP nc6000, and everything works - including build-in bluetooth and wireless.

    Nice job SuSE developers!
    • Which wireless adapter do you have in your HP? Mine has one of those dang Broadcom adapters. It's the only hardware on this system not directly supported. I could use the Linuxant driver loader, but I would really like to have a fully 64-bit OS for my 64-bit proc. The Linuxant loader uses the Windows driver which is only 32-bit.
      At this point I can only guess 32-bit driver loaded through/with Linuxant driver loaded will not load in a 64-bit kernel.
    • Friend at work had a new Sony Vaio, and the SUSE distro was the only one of the 4 tried that would support the (fairly) new hardware out of the box.

  • What the hell? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by scribblej ( 195445 ) on Friday October 29, 2004 @10:57AM (#10663610)
    Reently I had to decide on a linux platform for my company. In evaluating the possibilities, I was seeking a distro that had both a lot of readily-available support, and the benefits of F/OSS.

    Suse and Redhat, while perfect on the former count, DO NOT OFFER THE FULL BENEFITS OF F/OSS SOFTWARE.

    Both RH and Suse offer certain configurations of their software which you cannot get without paying. I don't have anything against paying someone for software I use, if it's also available for free. But I do have a problem with software that you can't even look at unless you pay.

    "Many eyes make bugs shallow." The more a peice of software costs, the less people will see it and contribute to it. The fewer bugs will exits in the end -- the better the software will be.

    So I picked Debian. And I dig it.

    • You can download all the source rpms for the Red Hat RHEL packages if you want to. (or save yourself the hassle and grab Whitebox who've already rebuilt it).

    • > I don't have anything against paying someone for
      > software I use, if it's also available for free

      Most people don't think like that.
    • They are still in compliance with GPL. The GPL does not require that binaries be provided at no cost, and IIRC it does not require the distribution of source code to people that have not paid for it.

      You can get White Box too.

    • Re:What the hell? (Score:3, Informative)

      by crush ( 19364 )

      Both RH and Suse offer certain configurations of their software which you cannot get without paying. I don't have anything against paying someone for software I use, if it's also available for free. But I do have a problem with software that you can't even look at unless you pay.

      Some specifics would be useful in evaluating your strongly stated claim that Red Hat and SuSE have software that "you can't even look at unless you pay". As far as I'm aware this is completely untrue. All of Red Hat and SuSE's

    • Yes Red Hat is propriatary according to:
      Whitebox [whiteboxlinux.org]
      SCI-Linux [scientificlinux.org]
      CentOS [centos.org]
      Lineox [lineox.com]
      Taolinux [taolinux.org]
      Those are the RHEL builds feel free to ask Mandrake, or RedFlag, or Fedora how propriatary other builds are.
      Can I have more FUD please? mmmmm thank you.

  • Ick. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Roadkills-R-Us ( 122219 ) on Friday October 29, 2004 @11:06AM (#10663725) Homepage
    I've always run RedHat and Slackware at home. We've been using RedHat at work for years. But with the new RedHat price structure, I decided it was time to look around more. I bought SuSe 9.1 Professional and installed it at home. Between things I was reading on the net and the positive experience we had with two Penguin dual Opteron servers that came with SuSe EL 8 preinstalled, I was psyched.

    What a nigtmare.

    The graphical installer refused to recognize the S3 card; I had to use text install. When initially installed, I could only find KDE. I reinstalled per something I found on the net-- installing just Gnome, then adding KDE after configuration.

    My directory is automounted from a RH8 system. I can't get KDE or Gnome to work properly, so I go back to ctwm. Eventually I get both Gnome and KDE working, but Gnome is never quite right now on either the RH8 or the SuSe9.1Pro system. Works fine for root, but not for other users. ( realize the Gnome issues may not be SuSe's fault, exactly, but they did choose the version to include on the CDs.)

    Overall, most things are slower, from booting and shutdown to popping up a new window. Yast2, in particular, takes forever to initialize. Granted it does some things the RH config tools don't, and it's much more consistent, but it's definitely slower. Maybe I wouldn't notice this on a new, fast system, but on my 400MHz and 500MHz systems at home, there's a clear difference.

    Yast2 does a bunch of cool stuff, but that makes some of the missing things even odder. Why, for instance, is there no entry for a Logitech PS2 Mouseman when configuring a mouse?

    I'll grant you things look really nice in SuSe. But I prefer substance over appearance. In some cases it has the substance, in others it doesn't.

    To top it all off, my emails to SuSe support went unanswered.

    I'm almost certainly going to switch back to RedHat (or possibly some other distro) at home. And SuSe is not at the top of my list for consideration art work.

    I know there are lots of happy SuSe customers. I was one based on the Penguins. But 9.1 left a bad taste in my mouth.

    Does 9.2 resolve any of these issues? Not that I'm really considering tossing another $60 at SuSe to upgrade...

    • Re:Ick. (Score:3, Interesting)

      by winse ( 39597 )
      if you didn't like 9.1 you won't like 9.2 at all. I had problems compiling mplayer right off the bat on 9.2 ( something wrong with prefetch.h in kernel source ) which i "fixed" , and then I couldn't get the power settings to play nice on my laptop. It seemed buggy so i went back to 9.1

    • Re:Ick. (Score:3, Interesting)

      by AaronW ( 33736 )
      I too upgraded to SuSE 9.1 and had a lot of problems, many due to hardware compatibility issues with the 2.6 kernel. Some of the issues were fixed by the online updates, which includes a newer kernel.

      I have been a long-time SuSE user and just ordered the 9.2 upgrade, which I expect to be better.

      In my long time experience with SuSE, some versions are just not stable.

      8.0 was great, 8.1 sucked, 8.2 and 9.0 were good, 9.1 not as good.

      I have a SuSE 8.2 server that has been up 451 days without a reboot. I u

  • Suse Linux (Score:4, Informative)

    by digitaltraveller ( 167469 ) on Friday October 29, 2004 @11:06AM (#10663726) Homepage
    Do the freely downloadable ISO images contain Suse's OpenExchange mail/groupware server?

    The other ones seem to lack a bit of pizazz. The two major competitors seem to be the
    BillWorkgroup [billworkgroup.org] (as in Gates) server and the unencumbered Netline [open-xchange.org] version of OpenExchange which IIRC is derived from the Suse OPX codebase.

    Everything else I looked at is crap. I checked out Communigate Pro (a commercial product) and though it looked mostly professional, it had a bunch of features that simply weren't available in Outlook. I'd consider tolerating that from a free software project but not a proprietary offering.
  • I've been looking at replacing our Microsoft Exchange Servers with Suse and Novell Groupwise. Has anyone had experience with this?

    I'm needing software that encourages collaboration between our staff, but also allows integration with custom software through Open Standards. Will the most version of Groupwise allow this?

    Is Groupwise an easy to administrate package?

    ---
    Brandon Petersen
    Get Firefox! [spreadfirefox.com]
    • From what I had read on this, Microsoft Exchange Server is replaced with SUSE OpenExchange Server. It seems to be a good fit. That takes care of the server end. On the desktop end those shops still using Windows clients can continue running Microsoft Lookout as the messaging client. To the enduser everything is supposedly seamless.

      Of course this is all based on research, not practical experience. I'd love to hear of some practical success stories making the switch.

  • suse live cd/dvd images also on many http sites (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    just some examples:

    http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/Mirrors/ftp.suse. com/pub/suse/i386/live-cd-9.2/ [fht-esslingen.de]

    http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/live-cd-9.2/ [ftp.gwdg.de]

    also check the general mirror list for the servers that serve bits with http.

    http://www.suse.de/de/private/download/ftp/ausland .html [www.suse.de]

    happy downloading

  • SuSE (Score:2, Informative)

    by Ambient_Developer ( 825456 )
    I used to love SuSe the networking utilities that SuSe has are excellent, and I think YaSt is excellent for beginners that do not know anything about linux. I started off on SuSe (simply because it took up the most disks), and I eventually lost my love of YaSt (sometimes it has problems properly managing packages it seems). I would still use SuSe today it there were freely available ISO's on thier site (not live cd either). Last time I checked though the only way to get SuSe (free) is through a live FTP ins

  • I got tired of upgrading SuSE (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I am one of those people who installs stuff for free whenever possible.

    So, I had SuSE 9.0 and SuSE 9.1 in the past installed from one of those public image CDs. My experience is that once you get SuSE installed, you keep updating the security fixes.

    When you want to totally upgrade your system to
    support newer hardware, you basically have to install/upgrade your system from scratch (such as
    SuSE 9.0 -> SuSE 9.1) rather than just upgrade the
    pieces you want (kernel, modules, etc.)

    Technically you can upgrad

  • My problem with SUSE (Score:5, Informative)

    by AvantLegion ( 595806 ) on Friday October 29, 2004 @11:42AM (#10664150) Journal
    I love SUSE for many great features, but I don't use it as my regular Linux OS. The main reason for this is that there is simply TOO much software that is NOT available through YAST/YOU. It seems that a lot of people use apt4rpm along with it, and track down a ton of 3rd party repositories, some of unknown origin (to me at least) and questionable veracity. Maybe I'm weird, but I hate being pointed to a repository with a domain name that I don't recognize, with no apparent ties to the distro project itself... just sorta *there*. Who's doing it? Why should I trust their packages?

    I guess that's one reason I like Debian and Gentoo. If I need it, they've got it, and not in some package ghetto somewhere.

    Plus, I think YAST is so handy, but useless in that I have to go to apt4rpm for so much software. It takes away one of the advantages to SUSE.

    If I could access all the software I needed through YAST, and could do so with either repository efforts with ties to SUSE, or at least well-defined community project repositories (ie. not just an unlabeled "dump" site), then I could go back to sweet SUSE.

    Maybe it's there, and I haven't looked close enough. Then call me an idiot and point me in the right direction.

    • there is simply TOO much software that is NOT available through YAST/YOU.

      But I think it's important to appreciate that Suse has not made it impossible for you to use those YOU repositories for extra (and here's the clincher) UNSUPPORTED software.

      I mean Novell/Suse is really in the business of selling support, both installation and ongoing for home users and enterprise. So they make a decision to provide (relatively inexpensive) support for a narrow field of selected applications available through YAST/

      • >> But I think it's important to appreciate that Suse has not made it impossible for you to use those YOU repositories for extra (and here's the clincher) UNSUPPORTED software.

        They haven't made it impossible. There's just nothing there for it.

        >> I like Gentoo as much as anyone, but it doesn't make sense to compare Gentoo w/Portage to Suse w/YAST when Gentoo doesn't offer support contracts.

        Sure it does. Nobody's saying SUSE needs to support everything under the sun. But it's important for

    • I've been a primary suse user for a while.

      While Suse gets a lot of kodo's from me, you do have a point. One or two simple examples: K3b and gaim.

      They do not offer updates for those(and many others). The sites that do are things like usr-local-bin or pacman. And for their rpms to work, you have to have the latest and greatest of everything all the time. If suse 9.2 came out, you have to have it, if an update to some random lib came out, you have to grab that too.

      Then to top it off, it breaks "yast consist
  • How about a Treo 650 "Outlook" clone client, using the PalmOne license of the MS Exchange sync protocol, syncing with GroupWise? Or even better, their free/OSS OpenExchange server? Cut out the middlewareman!
  • I should be able to download it for free from somewhere, right?
    • 1) Not everything is under GPL (neither other Open Source licenses). SUSE includes software under proprietary licenses (which will be missing in the FTP version).
      2) Sources where required are available at ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.2/suse/src/
      3) Read the GPL, it's not about giving you something for free.

  • SuSE 9.2 LiveDVD (Score:2, Informative)

    by akulbe ( 625876 )
    It was a disappointment. My idea was to try out 9.2 before buying the boxed set... because we're looking at offering it as the Linux solution to our customers. I'm not sure if the first problem I encountered is a licensing issue, or not... but when I booted the DVD on my desktop box at home, the modules wouldn't load for the Atheros-based wireless card. ath_pci.ko exists on the DVD, but it loads ath_hal.ko as well... which does NOT exist on the DVD. So... it will boot, and look pretty, but no networking
  • Earlier this year, I switched to gentoo for sparc, as Suse dropped Sparc support. Shame, it was such an easy distro to use.
  • .. Or is the SUSE 9.2 Pro Live DVD only good for evaluation.

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