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SuSE Businesses Linux Business Security

SuSE 9.1 Available for Download 229

Posted by michael from the gecko-power dept.
Aiua writes "Novell and SuSE AG have made the Live Evaluation CD of SuSE Linux 9.1 available for download. A list of mirrors carrying the 680MB ISO image is available on the SuSE Website. The Live CD allows you to test some of the new features of 9.1 without installation, and is a SuSE recommended download to test your computer for distribution compatability. The full Personal and Professional Editions are now shipping and available for purchase in the SuSE Store or your local reseller." Reader Sweetshark points out that the first release of the Live CD has problems, so make sure you get the most recent one: "SUSE Security Announcement: Live CD 9.1 (SuSE-SA:2004:011) describes a big security hole in the SuSE 9.1 Personal Edition Live CD: 'Upon boot, the Live CD will automatically configure a network card if one has been detected. [...] A configuration error on the Live CD allows for a passwordless, remote root login to the system via ssh, if the computer has booted from the Live CD and if it is connected to a network.' A fixed iso is available."
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  • Does the live CD allow you to automatically do a Hard drive FTP Install, or do you have to pony up for that?

    • Re:FTP Install (Score:4, Informative)

      by thryllkill ( 52874 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:12PM (#9087783) Homepage Journal
      no the live CD has been available for days now... the FTP install has not been updated yet...

      I've been waiting... can ya tell?

      • Re:FTP Install (Score:5, Informative)

        by King_of_Crunk ( 763543 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:18PM (#9087862) Homepage
        Well you going to have to wait a bit longer...
        From the readme.txt on the suse ftp site:

        Wed May 5 12:50:00 MEST 2004 - draht@

        This tree contains the source RPM packages for the SUSE LINUX 9.1
        distribution. The SUSE LINUX 9.1 ftp version will be published on June 4th
        in this directory.

        Thanks,
        Roman Drahtmüller,
        Sebastian Nagel,
        ftpadmin@suse.com
        • wow... it used to say, "in a few days."

  • Still no full install ISOs.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gumpish ( 682245 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:09PM (#9087754) Journal
    I've always been annoyed by the fact that SuSE has never made regular full-install ISOs available.

    Blah blah ftp install blah blah... I've heard it before.
    • When I initially got into Linux, I tried every distro I could get my hands on, and SuSE is the only one that gave me that warm-fuzzy feeling -- UNTIL the first major update came out, and I hunted forever trying to get the dang ISOs for it. (Back to the drawing board - 9.1's shipping this week)
    • Blah blah SuSE blah no free ISO's blah blah I'm a spoiled child crying because I'm not getting my way blah blah

      Gee, talk about hearing it all before.

      • WTF? Offtopic?!? (Score:5, Informative)

        by deadlinegrunt ( 520160 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:40PM (#9088121) Homepage Journal
        This is no more offtopic than the original parent post, and it got +5 Intersting.

        Just because someone thinks ftp isn't convenient as an ISO download that gets an interesting modification? Someone tells them that GNU GPL doesn't mandate that it has to be an ISO in the same langauge they use it's off-topic?

        Somebody give me +Informative modpoints for informing moderators how to mod correctly.
    • I managed to download the 4.1gb DVD version, but I don't have a DVD writer, nor do I have a DVD-ROM on my existing linux server.

      I then realized that the CD version was also on usenet, as you can see HERE. [newzbin.com] Unfortunately, those files are no longer on my news provider (easynews).

      I am hoping someone will post a .torrent with the CD version

    • Re: [ISOs here!] (Score:4, Informative)

      by bach37 ( 602070 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:22PM (#9087909)
      You can get Suse isos here [linuxcd.org] for $10.

      Scott
      G-Vegas, NC

    • I've always been annoyed by the fact that SuSE has never made regular full-install ISOs available.


      Blah blah ftp install blah blah... I've heard it before.

      You must be very, very young my friend. SUSE stopped making ISOs with version 7 which dates WAY back to Q3 of the year 2000!! Since any "friend" will gladly make you a copy, what's the big deal? In fact, it saves you the download time and everything!!

      Hmmm... I guess there is the requirement that you have to have at least one friend though... m

    • SuSE's model is the very spirit of the GPL. A company has every right to sell media for their software, as long as they make the source available to those who pay. In fact, SuSE is going above and beyond the LETTER of the GPL by allowing for-free FTP installs.

      For those who want books, want media, etc, buy the CD. For those who are technical enough, use the FTP install. I've always used the FTP install and have zero problems with it, works great.

      Of course, if you're a REAL whiner about it, you can
    • Well just because SuSE doesn't make their ISOs available doesn't stop anyone else from ripping the distro to iso and hosting it. I emailed their info site and asked about the legality, and they said that as long as you're noot seeking monetary gain from providing the isos then you can host them.

      So if you have a few Gigs of free space why not get a copy off ebay for $5 and host them for the rest of us.

  • Can it fill the gap Mandrake 10 can't? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by eyeye ( 653962 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:10PM (#9087765) Homepage Journal
    I was going to install mandrake 10 today but it doesnt appear to support my on board ethernet (nforce2), will suse support it by default?

    Oh hold on this a bloody "live cd" again isnt it - I thought SuSE had stopped being difficult about allowing their distro to be downloaded as CD images.
    • Before anyone leaps on me, I know you can download the forcedeth drivers but I like my installations to go seamlessly and having network access asap is very important.

      In fact I love Distros that install almost from scratch over the network e.g debian. I carry a debian business card sized CD with me all the time - contains all I need to install it.

      Shit that probably wont work on this new motherboard either! lol.
    • i installed 9.1 last night and the nforce2 net drivers work great. I was also amazed that it picked up my usb flash disk reader without any extra configuration at all. It works like a champ from i can tell so far

    • Re:Can it fill the gap Mandrake 10 can't? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:48PM (#9088178)
      Mandrake 10.0 kernels (2.6 or 2.4) support nForce ethernet without problems, the driver is called forcedeth. And, oh, it is present in vanilla kernels too.
      • Mandrake 10.0 kernels (2.6 or 2.4) support nForce ethernet without problems, the driver is called forcedeth. And, oh, it is present in vanilla kernels too.

        I wasn't the original poster on this - but I'll reply anyway.

        That is interesting about the forcedeth module. I didn't even know it existed until you posted this. (In the past, I had downloaded the nForce drivers from NVidia to get my second NIC working.)

        I wonder why MDK 10.0 only shows me my onboard 3com card by default? I assume I can probably ad

    • Re:Can it fill the gap Mandrake 10 can't? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by pjkundert ( 597719 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @03:12PM (#9088503) Homepage
      Just a note of caution if you are using the nForce2 motherboards with a 2.6 kernel. I just built up a new webserver/fileserver/wireless access point, using an ASUS A7N8X motherboard and Athlon 2600+, and wanted to run 2.6, reiser4 and software RAID. As soon as I did any disk I/O, it would hang solid.

      Apparently, the 2.6.5 (and perhaps other) kernels trigger a bit of an nForce2 chipset problem; I needed to need to turn of APIC and Local APIC for them to work reliably at their rated speed. Here's how I did it using GRUB (my root partition is a mirrored RAID device). Note the "noapic nolapic" in the kernel specification. Using lilo, you would add an append="noapic nolapic" to your image=... stanza...
      title GNU/Linux 2.6.5 MD+Reiser4+hostap (hd1,0) /dev/hdb
      root (hd1,0)
      kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.5 ro root=/dev/md0 noapic nolapic
      initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.5

      title GNU/Linux 2.6.5 MD+Reiser4+hostap (hd2,0) /dev/hdd
      root (hd2,0)
      kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.5 ro root=/dev/md0 noapic nolapic
      initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.5

      After this change, it's been running rock solid under heavy use for over a week. I am running Debian; perhaps the SUSE or other distributions have already patched their 2.6.X kernels for this problem, but I doubt it.
      • Apparently, the 2.6.5 (and perhaps other) kernels trigger a bit of an nForce2 chipset problem; I needed to need to turn of APIC and Local APIC for them to work reliably at their rated speed.

        By reliably, do you mean "for them to work at all"? Of the distro I've installed on this machine (as well as FreeBSD), I can't get it to even install unless I specify "noapic nolapic". There's also a "noioapic" option, but I don't appear to need that.

        Once it's installed, I leave "noapic nolapic" in my lilo.conf or e
      • Look, this was quite a hot topic a couple of days ago on lkml.

        There is a known fix!

        Thanks t onvidia's developer Allen Martin who (finally) stepped up an released some hard facts about what is causing the problem and how to fix it, there is a patch that will cleanly apply to the 2.6.5 kernel.

        You can read Allen Martins comment on the subject here [lkml.org] and the patch is here [lkml.org].

        Note that though the patch was untested at that point there were several posts to confirm that it worked.

        Thanks nvidia

        Now: Release t

  • OpenSSH (Score:5, Funny)

    by uebermts ( 323725 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:10PM (#9087767)
    congratulations to SuSE!
    A whole new meaning of *Open*SSH

  • Obscure version numbering? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:12PM (#9087788) Homepage
    My initial, kneejerk reaction on reading the headline was that this story was way, way out of date. Then I realized I was thinking of Mandrake. Does anyone else think Linux vendors could maybe come up with more informative ways of naming their releases? Just a month/year might be more appropriate. If someone blurts out that they're running SuSE 9.1, and I'm not familiar with the whole history of SuSE, I have no way of even guessing whether there's a 2.6 kernel in there, let alone all the other software with version numbers that are a whole lot more relevant than the version number of the distro itself.

    • Re:Obscure version numbering? (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I wish they had Linux 2000 Professional and Linux XP.
    • How would that fix things? I could tell you I'm running "Debian 05/2004" and you still wouldn't know whether I was running a 2.6 or 2.2 kernel.

      Especially with Debian! :)

      I mean, really. There is no good way to do what you are asking, short of having something like the Geek Code for Distros... :)
      • Really? If you told me you were running Debian May 2004, I'd guess it had a 2.4 kernel. That's knowing a little bit about Debian's release policies, etc., which would lead me to believe it wouldn't be using 2.6 yet -- and 2.2 is too old. I don't actually follow what goes on with Debian, though. Would I be wrong?

        On the other hand, for all I know SuSE 9.1 wouldn't have a 2.6 kernel because it might have been released in 2002. I can't tell.

        It just seems strange to me that totally different packagings of Linu
        • It depends on the branch of Debian you are using. A lot of desktop users use sid, which tends to be very up-to-date. Right now, I'm using kernel 2.6.5, glibc 2.3.2, and kde 3.2.2, all of which are in the repository.
          • Yeah, but there you're talking about what's basically your own homebrewed, apt-assembled Linux box. When I used to administer Linux boxes for a living, they seldom resembled what came off the install CD, either. But these days, that seems to be changing. A lot of people will install Mandrake 10, or SuSE 9.1 or whatever, and barring a few patches here and there they might not do any kind of serious update (new kernel etc.) until the next major, packaged release comes out. Or the next set of downloaded ISOs,
            • Nope. Not homebrewed at all. This is the standard install for Debian's sid branch. I installed from Debian Installer beta4, and it grabbed whatever happened to be in sid at the time. The only remotely customized bit is the kernel, because 2.4 and 2.6 were both an option in the installer.

    • LINs (like VINs?) (Score:5, Funny)

      by vxvxvxvx ( 745287 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:27PM (#9087968)
      This is a great idea! We could have Linux Identification Numbers (like VIN) and they would be able to tell you everything you need to know. So, a sample LIN number could be

      WSPKY474X4F000001

      Where W means it's made in germany, KY means it runs 2.6 kernel, and so forth and so on. Then all you gotta do is ask the person for their LIN number and you know everything about their distribution and release! Genius!

      • Re:LINs (like VINs?) (Score:3, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        > KY means it runs 2.6 kernel

        Yeah, cause we all know that you'll need some KY to run a 2.6 kernel!
    • New year->new major number.
      New release->new minor number.
      Its the second release this year, so 9.1
      Last year there were 4 releases, 8.0,.1,.2,.3
      Quite easy.
    • Gentoo does...

      The latest release of Gentoo is 2004.1. This means it was the second release this year. (First being 2004.0)

      That helps a little...

  • Update From 9.0 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by swtaarrs ( 640506 ) <swtaarrs@NosPAm.comcast.net> on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:14PM (#9087818)
    Is it possible now or in the near future to do an update from 9.0 to 9.1 using just YaST, without downloading new CD images?
    • Is it possible now or in the near future to do an update from 9.0 to 9.1 using just YaST, without downloading new CD images?

      Not anytime soon. I've been watching for the RPMS for 9.1 to appear on their server ever since 9.1 was released... First they had a note that said they would be available in a few days (posted April 22), and a few days ago they changed that to say that it would not be available until June.

      This is driving me nuts. There are some major bugs in 9.0 that they didn't fix... YaST segfaul

  • Cool (Score:5, Funny)

    by MrRuslan ( 767128 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:19PM (#9087870)
    I tought I would never see pirated Linux distros but i just looked on xMule and i saw cds and dvds of this...this means Linux is gaining ground LoL.
  • ...to test your computer for distribution compatability

    I'm supposed to test my computer for distribution compatibility? I thought I was paying money to the commercial Linux distributions to do just that.
    • Would you rather pay them your hard earned cash first and then find out if it really does work correctly on your hardware? It's true that, as their customer, you are paying them to develop a robust Linux solution that works with your hardware, but unlike some other vendors, they don't make you buy it before you find out if it's worth the money. A live evaluation CD is a statement of confidence in their product, and a sign of respect for their customers.
    • I'm supposed to test my computer for distribution compatibility?

      Unfortunately, we don't have the luxury of looking at a sticker that says "Designed for SUSE(R) Linux(R) Professional" so yeah, testing would be a good idea.

  • YaST? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by harlows_monkeys ( 106428 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:20PM (#9087891) Homepage
    They said they were going to GPL YaST. Have they done so for this release?

  • Small correction... (Score:4, Informative)

    by gmuslera ( 3436 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:22PM (#9087920) Homepage Journal
    as far I understand, what is available for download is the Live CD, not the full product, not even the ftp version of 9.1.

    The article title seems to say that the full SuSE 9.1 is available for download, when is a bit far from it. As far I remember, SuSE always had a "live" demo to test it released around the same time as the full product and available for free download, but that don't mean that can be installed in hard disk or from it install the full 9.1 ftp version from their servers.

  • Nothing new about this (Score:5, Informative)

    by StarTux ( 230379 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:25PM (#9087947) Journal
    SuSE have been releasing Live CD ISO's since at least 2000, actually before Knoppix came to the scene.

    Really nothing new here, apart from maybe more people paying attention.

    StarTux

  • Mine's already waiting for me (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Helmholtz Coil ( 581131 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:32PM (#9088029) Journal

    Decided this time around I'd do the responsible thing and actually *gasp!* pre-order a copy of 9.1 to support a Linux company. Comes with the install CDs and the live CD to boot. Already got delivered and sitting at home-this clock at work really needs to hurry the hell up.

    I think I'll count my donation to SuSE as my charitable donation for the year.

  • Weeee! (Score:2, Funny)

    by divine_13 ( 680820 )
    *Runs away to the local store...* *Stops outside of it...* *Thinks...* *Turns back, and downloads it at home* There yah go! X)

    • Re:Weeee! (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Sweetshark ( 696449 )
      *realizes that SuSE offers no complete isos...*
      *realizes the ftp-install option for 9.1 isnt out yet...*
      *Thinks...*
      *Runs away to the local store...*

  • Best linux desktop so far! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by novakane007 ( 154885 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:36PM (#9088075) Homepage Journal
    I've tried a ton of desktops. Mandrake 10, Fedora, Knoppix, etc. All of them were functional, but lacking in certain areas. They just didn't seem ready for an end user. I booted up the Suse 9.1 because I'm intereted in the Novell Linux play. I was instantly blown away. This is the most well designed, streamlined and functional Linux desktop I've used. Finally something tha can be installed and run by an end user without hand holding from a geek.

    • Re:Best linux desktop so far! (Score:5, Funny)

      by Mateito ( 746185 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:48PM (#9088180) Homepage
      Finally something tha can be installed and run by an end user without hand holding from a geek.

      Bugger. There goes my last chance of meeting a girl.

    • Finally something tha can be installed and run by an end user without hand holding from a geek.

      Now what excuse will we have in order to hold someone's hand?

    • ... right now. Boot and autodiscovery of hardware was very nice, and finely polished, BUT a few things that the Knoppix v3.4-2004-05-04 iso that I downloaded and played with last night, beats SuSE 9.1 LiveCD. Knoppix found my Logitech MX-500 optical wheel mouse and activated the wheel in all apps that can use one automatically. It just worked, and the wheel was there in the first web browser I ran. Knoppix also automatically detected and setup my integrated mobo AC-97 soundcard and sound was there right awa
  • What Kernel/KDE/Gnome versions does the Personal version come with? THey are very specific about the specs of the professional version (Kernel 2.6. etc), but they do not say anything about what is included in the personal version?

  • A Very Nice Distro (Score:5, Informative)

    by DeckerEgo ( 520694 ) on Friday May 07, 2004 @02:42PM (#9088143) Homepage
    I just got my SuSE 9.1 Pro DVD/CD set in yesterday, and installed it on both my AthlonXP workstation and my Inspiron 8200 laptop. I've been waiting for a distro that has easy-to-manage Samba 3 & OOo 1.1 & KDE 3.2 & kernel 2.6 installations.

    Now that SuSE's using submounts, tho, things are kinda weird when trying to run installers that expect to be able to run the mount command (i.e. UT2004). Since it dynamically mounts the media, you can't run a mount command any more without changing fstab.

    SuSE's is my favorite installer so far (I like thinking of installation processes as checklists, which is how SuSE organizes them) and YaST2's integration into KDE's control panel is nice. Also it bears noting that this has both 32 and 64 bit installations - they aren't charging extra for 64 anymore.

    The only tweaks I've had to make so far are to KDE's look and feel. Such a nice time saver to have a works-out-of-the-box installation.

  • But... (Score:2, Funny)

    by SmileeTiger ( 312547 )
    I _JUST_ gave a co-worker a copy of my SuSE 9.0 live CD to try out at home!

    Seriously! I gave him a copy of the CD and then when I got back to my desk and took a look at /. this story was at the top!

    Oh well. I guess that was a waste of a CD. Time to get him a copy of 9.1.
  • This is only the live-eval CD... Install and poke around... The FTP install won't be available for another month per notice in the ftp folder for 9.1: This tree contains the source RPM packages for the SUSE LINUX 9.1 distribution. The SUSE LINUX 9.1 ftp version will be published on June 4th in this directory.
  • What is the difference between SuSE Professional and Personal, besides US$60? Can the differences be "fixed" by downloading free software from other sources.
    • What is the difference between SuSE Professional and Personal, besides US$60?

      For the pro version on 9.0, the crossover plugin (win32 apps on Linux) was in there. I'm sure there might be a couple others along that line of thought, but that was the killer add-on for me!
  • Cripes, I can't believe how many problems just finding the upgrade:

    1. amazon.com doesn't have it
    2. bestbuy doesn't find any "suse" products
    3. beyond.com is out of business
    4. borders was bought by amazon.com
    5. cdromusa.com doesn't find any "suse" products
    6. compusa (or cockusa as I friend calls them) doesn't list 9.1 at all.
    7. programmer's paradise doesn't list 9.1 either
    8. shopforsoftware site was too slow to bear

    Finally found it at cheapbytes. Man!
  • Hello from kernel.org...

    I'm in the processing of mirroring the updated iso now, but I've made the first livecd iso available at http://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/live-cd-9.1/ [kernel.org]

    You can get it via ftp, http, or rsync. The -01 cd will take about an hour from the time this message is posted to appear.

    Enjoy! Note that we don't currently actively mirror SuSE so there's a large chance that this area will bitrot later since I'm manually making this available.

    -- Nathan Laredo

  • Bueller? Anyone?

  • It recognized my sound card. Suse did not.

    Knoppix also recognized my Intel wireless card and configured it properly. Suse did not.

    I frankly expected more from Suse.

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