Mandrakelinux 10 Official Released 322
boklm writes "Two months after the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community release, the enhanced and polished 'Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official release' has been announced. Download ISOs are available today for Club members and packs are also avaible on MandrakeStore."
As Shipud puts it, "USB2 support... vive 2.6.3 !!"
ISO (Score:2, Insightful)
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I want a hot japanese woman to appear in my office RIGHT NOW!
DAMNIT, I'm SERIOUS!
Fuck, guess "I Want" doesn't work...
Re:ISO (Score:2)
Re:ISO (Score:5, Insightful)
> the form of an ISO because I am poor? Isn't that
> creating false scarcity? Information wants to be
> "free". Charge for support, not our software.
The "support" in this case is that mandrake took the time to put all the bits and pieces together.
And not to be rude, but please dont make it sound like having to wait a few weeks for a cutting edge distribution is a great injustice. You still get it for FREE, even though mandrake put millions into it.
Re:ISO (Score:5, Insightful)
And they are largely defraying distribution costs by doing it this way.
And they are doing more than just shipping community software. Mandrake adds a decent amount of customization to linux. Don't like it? then go do a Linux From Scratch install or something.
And they are not depriving you of anything, just saying wait a bit, or pay a price to cut in line.
Yes, Virginia, there are costs associated with the world, and No, "But I don't like that" isn't a valid reason to ignore those costs.
Re:ISO (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:ISO (Score:2)
It means the person is a jerk.
When someone says information wants to be free, it is summing up an idea in a nice compact way.
I would explain the idea but I just realized...oh God, did I actually respond to your troll. uugh.
Re:ISO (Score:3, Insightful)
There's no causation between slogans and logic, friend... ya need a better reason than that (or am I just troll feeding?)
Re:ISO (Score:5, Insightful)
Newsflash: Information is not sentient and doesn't want anything. Repeating something ad nauseum doesn't make it true. Not even if RMS thinks so.
Despite the great efforts Mandrake takes to only ship GPL'ed software and providing the results of their hard labor for free, some people will always complain.
Let me ask you this: What did YOU contribute to the open source world (or free software, since you are parrotting RMS). And if you did contribute anything significant, where can I download it (using bandwidth that YOU paid for). And where can I go and bitch and complain if it doesn't live up to my ethical standards?
Re:ISO (Score:2)
I have to agree with your sentiment. As a developer of a couple of OpenSource projects (BSD licenced though), it drives me insane that I get emails with comments like "Hi, I like your program but it sucks because it doesn't do precisely what I want - please FIX your program". Wonderful.
Incidently, I don't want to start a war here but one thing I have noticed is that /commercial/ people, ie people incorportating my software into their commercial software tend to be far more useful, friendly and courtio
Re:ISO (Score:2)
And I second you on the courtesy opinion. Even if the developer gets no money, he/she spent some time writing and thus deserves appreciation.
Re:ISO (Score:2)
It's the tone. To be fair, I have no lack of well formed requests, much like what you offered as an example. It could be said perhaps that the tone of the request is highly indicative of the person whom wrote it. One could simply put it all down to social/diplomatic skills - something which seem to be lacking a lot in the IT world, perhaps people are spending too many of their skill points on their apparent l33+n3ss.
I appreciate well formed requests. I do not appreciate demands. Demands come at a pri
Ahem. (Score:2)
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:2)
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:2)
Re:ISO (Score:2)
What exactly is different in this version? I haven't ran it yet, but maybe that's the reason why my last version of 10.0 would not allow me to get online with my laptop... Hopefully this will work though. o_O
Re:ISO (Score:2, Informative)
Not the Official edition I'm afraid.
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Damn Microsoft Ads! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Damn Microsoft Ads! (Score:2)
Damn! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Damn! (Score:3, Insightful)
I think I'll wait for the retail version and show a little $upport for my favorite distro.
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Re:Pardon my ignorance, (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Pardon my ignorance, (Score:5, Informative)
but what is the difference between Community and Official?
The Official version is basically the Community version plus a few months worth of updates. Thus, the Official version should have the major errors removed and be Very Stable.
Plus, the Official version is what you get if you want a boxed version.
Re:Pardon my ignorance, (Score:3, Funny)
The more I try to explain this the more confused I get. I think they should just differentiate their products like so:
Mandrake DANGER-MIGHT-BLOWUP-EVERYTHING
Mandrake IT-WORKS-ON-MY-MACHINE
Mandrake GOOD-ENOUGH-TO-AVOID-LAWSUITS
Difference between Community and Official. (Score:3, Informative)
According to the Mandrake Linux Users Club Page [mandrakelinux.com], among other things members of the club are entitled to:
Re:Difference between Community and Official. (Score:2, Informative)
Not quite. There are two "editions" of both Community and Official, the Download edition (available to everyone) and the Powerpack edition (only available to silver members and above, and contaning the proprietary software you mentioned). So everyone will be able to get Com
Re:Pardon my ignorance, (Score:3, Interesting)
in a little while, community unfreezes and gets back to be a testing version of the distribution. More stable than cooker, with less experimental stuff, but which could be less stable than the official, since bleeding edge stuff is tested there.
I also remember, that community will produce an official.1 some time in the future, an up to date official version with all updates and more bleeding edge stuff incorporated into it, yet stable, like the 9.2.1 isos that were
Re:Pardon my ignorance, (Score:5, Informative)
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Pardon my French but (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Pardon my French but (Score:3, Informative)
Ofcourse you can go with the free download and install those drivers yourself.
Re:Pardon my French but (Score:2)
8.0 - don't know, didn't use it.
8.1 - solid (once the Invalid EIP init workaround for K7T266 chips was used)
8.2 - flaky (on my system at least)
9.0 - OK
9.1 - solid. Excellent work
9.2 - flaky
OK, so I'm extrapolating from a single data point (me), but....
Just Installed (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Just Installed (Score:4, Funny)
Kinks worked out? (Score:4, Funny)
Mandrake is just trying to trick people into thinking that it's OS X. It'll never work! Mandrake doesn't come with white spots!
Re:Kinks worked out? (Score:3, Insightful)
It is the first mainstream distro with a 2.6 kernel. That always means there will be hardware issues.
I had problems installing it on a few different computers.
Did you try the provided 2.4 installation kernel? Did you file bug reports?
(Note, many NForce2 boards have issues unless you boot with 'noapic nolapic', at least with the kernel the community install CDs had).
I'm pretty sure that th
Oh, guess that explains the last 15 minutes (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Oh, guess that explains the last 15 minutes (Score:2, Funny)
MandrakeClub users aren't too happy (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:MandrakeClub users aren't too happy (Score:5, Interesting)
linux-2.6.5 is the latest, 2.6.4 but not long ago (Score:4, Interesting)
I really think Mandrake, LLC (or what is it?) should concider using a different package/software manager in future releases. This [gentoo.org] gentoo forums post even describes how to install the superb portage on other distros.
Anyway, someone feel free to correct me or mod me down.
Re:linux-2.6.5 is the latest, 2.6.4 but not long a (Score:3, Informative)
The problem comes when you rely on the package manager to take care of stuff you ought to take care of yourself (my biggest beef with Gentoo).
Re:linux-2.6.5 is the latest, 2.6.4 but not long a (Score:2)
It's probably not a good idea to use a 2.6 config with a 2.4 kernel (not to mention that 2.4.5 is REALLY ancient).
Yeah, I know it was a typo.
yer really clueless arent you? sheesh... (Score:5, Informative)
try mandrake update. its easy. painless. simple. a monkey could do it.
if yer a little more clueful, try urpmi.
mandrake has all the package managers that redhat has, and all the package managers that gentoo has, and all the package managers that debian has too.
and some more.
get a clue. try it. its easy.
and to those people who say its not stable, wtf are you smoking? can i get some?
mandrake 10 "just works"...
Re:yer really clueless arent you? sheesh... (Score:2)
You might be able to apply some security patches to Mandrake releases, but the only package updates visible to me in 9.2, is a little bit of documentation.
IAAMCM (I am a Mandrake Club Member)
Re:yer really clueless arent you? sheesh... (Score:2)
Actually, I managed to get them to work by exploring the ftp directory structure and figuring out where the links were supposed to go. It sort of worked well enough for my purposes.
Re:yer really clueless arent you? sheesh... (Score:2)
For instance, atrpms apt on Fedora had the full MythTV suite all packaged and ready. apt testing under deb had most of the suite but not all (although methinks that's fixed). urpmi actually had mixed versions of things floating around out there. They seem
Re:linux-2.6.5 is the latest, 2.6.4 but not long a (Score:2)
You mean like "MandrakeUpdate"? Or from the command-line:
urpmi.update -a
urpmi --auto --auto-select
Just be sure to specify a good update source first, because the initial selection (at least in 9.X) are pretty bogged down. The updates are mirrored all over the place though.
Re:linux-2.6.5 is the latest, 2.6.4 but not long a (Score:2)
What is wrong with urpmi? Oh, the fact that you don't get the newest revision of all software as soon as it is released as source? Then try using the Cooker, but don't complain about stability.
There is a reason why there are point releases.
> But why couldnt they squeeze in 2.6.4 at the time they were getting ready to relese the ISOs'?
Maybe because they want to
Re:linux-2.6.5 is the latest, 2.6.4 but not long a (Score:2)
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mandrake vs debian (Score:2)
I'm trying to decide on one to distribute locally.
Re:mandrake vs debian (Score:2)
There are a few "Mandrake for Debian Users" in this website [escomposlinux.org] (in Spanish, though):
here [escomposlinux.org] here [escomposlinux.org] here [escomposlinux.org] and here [escomposlinux.org]
Peace!
it's all connected (Score:5, Funny)
My Experience with Mandrake 10 (Score:5, Informative)
1. Install: rocks. Take note Linux Distros, this is how things should happen, enough configuration available, but simple enough to let it go and go watch Family Guy instead.
2. Boot: One major issue, every time I booted it would alternate between thinking my Orinoco gold pcmcia wireless card would be not present, or thing a new one had been put in and try to reinstall it, this was a real pain the in ass, and was the major reason Mandrake 10 got booted for a second time (9.2 is no longer on my good list either) from this laptop. Maybe this distro is just better for desktops.
3. Usage: KDE 3.2 is nice, I like it, but quite frankly, I think I'm still a Gnome person. Also, if all the drak tools worked correctly all the time, I wouldn't have a problem with Mandrake having their config files all over the place, but tweaking config files by hand just isn't a good thing to do with this distro, and therefore some things just don't work properly (drakconnect!).
Overall, Mandrake is a nice distro, and is great for people new to Linux, but for more intermediate and advanced users, there's better things out there. Quite frankly, my laptop runs really really well using Slackware 9.1, Kernel 2.6.5, Dropline Gnome 2.6, and Swaret (using slackware-current) to automate the upgrade process. Yes, you have to get your hands dirty with Slackware sometimes, but at least things work like they're susposed to, and things that aren't there can be easily installed, and personalized shell/perl scripts are finally reality for those who want full control of their machine.
Don't misunderstand me, I think Mandrake has a ton of potential and I really want to see them succeed, it just still needs more polish. But compared to Fedora and SUSE, I think Mandrake is the best jumping in point for users who have never touched Linux before.
Re:My Experience with Mandrake 10 (Score:2)
Weird. I have that issue with the previous Mandrake. (9.2, right?) I "solved" it (loose usage, I know) by just ejecting the Orinoco card during bootup and re-inserting after it passed the eth0/1 initialization. Kinda stupid, but it stopped complaining.
It does something similar with the floppy drive, thoug
Re:My Experience with Mandrake 10 (Score:4, Interesting)
Some people really *do* want to spend all day configuring their NICs, tv tuner cards, soundcards etc.
Mandrake truly rocks for its automatic hardware detection and configuration.
I am an advanced Linux user. I have been using Linux since 1992. I work as a sysadmin at a web hosting outfit that uses debian almost exclusively.
I use Mandrake at home because I work on computers all day.
When I get home I want my computers to just freaking *work* and not spend all weekend configuring them.
Mandrake is good like that.
Mandrake is not just "great for people new to Linux" its also great for lazy but advanced users like me.
Re:My Experience with Mandrake 10 (Score:2)
Oh, just like my Windows 2000 machine - for the last few weeks, it occasionally starts detecting a "mul
Re:My Experience with Mandrake 10 (Score:2, Interesting)
Using similar configurations, Mandrake has been consistently >10% faster than Redhat (and now Fedora) on all systems I have installed it on.
While Fedora might take 2 seconds to load the KDE menu, Mandrake opens it instantly. This is running the same kernel version and similar kernel configs.
I've been using Mandrake on and off since the 5.x releases, when it's main feature was the much-hyped Pentium optimizations, and it has consistently been one of the most responsive distros ar
Torrent (Score:2)
I have a problem with it. (Score:4, Informative)
Is there anybody here from mandrake who can help explain why it appears that those of us who helped bring you out of bankruptcy are suddenly being screwed?
I will be downloading it, but if the web page was correct about this, then I will be canceling the membership and turning 10 families on over to a different distro. Hopefully, it it just a screw up in how things are presented.
Re:I have a problem with it. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I have a problem with it. (Score:5, Informative)
I think you are misinformed in some way. What webpage did you read this?
The official release is actually community with updates, and carries the same. If you have the commercial version (from club, mandrakestore or boxed set) it also includes ati and nvidia drivers, and some other commercial software. So if you are a silver member, you should be able to put your hands on these commercial cd's of the official release.
Re:I have a problem with it. (Score:3, Informative)
Here is the sites comparisions. [mandrakesoft.com]
Here is the official club day [mandrakeclub.com]
And here is from my e-mail:
- Silver Members and above: Immediate access to 5 Mandrakelinux 10.0
Official PowerPack CD ISO images which includes three Install CDs plus
two additional CDs of extra applications
- Gold Members and above: Immediate access to 7 Mandrakelinux 10.0
Official PowerPack+ CD ISO images which includes three Install CDs
plus four additional CDs o
Re:I have a problem with it. (Score:2)
I have no issue with not being able to get all the great commercial apps on the silver, but not being able to the OSS servers, well....Perhaps it is time to start my own distro. Naaaahhhh. But there are alternatives that I will be looking at iff this is really the way things appear
What the hell are you talking about? (Score:2, Funny)
software needs to be installed... (Score:3, Informative)
hmmm... did you just try to install the packages first ? There is no such thing as a "desktop" distro or a "server" distro for Mandrake...
Ok, you need to check the group of packages saying "Databases" to have the databases (like postgres) installed, it may not install MySQL by default, but if you go in your Mandrake Control Center, you can actually install that software (it even tells you which cd to install).
By the way, software works better if installed... ;-)
And I'm using a Mdk 10.0 Community to te
Alarming Rise in World Productivity! (Score:4, Funny)
In small backlash, office girls around the world report increase in bad flirting by guys with dorky hair cuts.
Meanwhile, Microsoft Super-Secret Tracking Server Explodes. "It appears that everyone opened Minesweeper at once", claims Steve Ballmer, "and all those Windows machines 'phoning home' about the application launch was just too much for our server to take."
"We were damn lucky that Solitaire launches are sent to a different tracking server", he added.
Mandrake (Score:2, Interesting)
Right now they are heavily overloaded. As a side note, you can skip by clicking "I'm a c
odd screenshots... (Score:2)
i was expecting those little thumbnails to enlarge to larger screenshots - but sadly they don't appear to. for a company that appears to pride itself on the visual appearance of it's distro i think they let themselves down very badly by the presentation and architecture of their web site.
so my point... it's all well and good to invest large amounts of time and money into bringing a good (from some of the threads th
My one major beef: (Score:2)
2. Installing programs lead to conflicts and dependancies and almost invariably it took me up to an hour to install one program, if I got it to install at all.
So: Has driver support increased and has a nice simplistic installation add/remove method been created? That's what I need.
Who let him out? (Score:4, Funny)
Update procedure (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Internal server error (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Internal server error (Score:4, Funny)
I thought it was armageddon (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I thought it was armageddon (Score:2)
Re:?wtf (Score:2, Redundant)
Never test on the release server! (Score:4, Funny)
I had to turn on CNN to make sure the North Koreans hadn't nuked Des Moines!
Re:Mandrake 10 Sucks (I'm serious!) (Score:2)
Not everyone has the same issues on the same distro on the same hardware. I still cant get KDE to compile on my test Gentoo box. Fedora has issues with my USB mouse. Mandrake 10 community doesnt have kernel src to compile new drivers.
I like to try a distro before I believe someone elses rants/raves. Mandrake and SuSE would be my top 2 pics for out
Re:Mandrake 10 Sucks (I'm serious!) (Score:2)
Mandrake 10 community doesnt have kernel src to compile new drivers
Then, am I dreaming or what? I installed the kernel-source package easily, using urpmi:
urpmi --wget kernel-source
And it is installed
rpm -q kernel-source
kernel-source-2.6.3-7mdk
I needed the kernel source to install nVidia drivers. Now I can play Tux at decent FPS.
Peace!
That's the BETA dipshit. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Mandrake 10 Sucks (I'm serious!) (Score:3, Interesting)
The fact that you got some probleme with mdk and everything worked fine on your Debian Sarge does mean it's the case for everybody. I can find people who had no problem installing Mandrake 10 and could not install Sarge.
And KDE running only as root is not the normal behavior, you probably found a bug (or did something wrong), that's what the Community release is for : to help find this kind or bugs.
Re:Mandrake 10 Sucks (I'm serious!) (Score:2)
I saw it once on a laptop a fresh re-install that wiped all partitions fixed it
Think of mandrake 10 as the change from windows 95 to windows XP. if you upgrade it is going to suck.
kernel 2.6 is highly incompatable with the leftovers of the 2.4 kernels and installs your best thing with ANY 2.6 based linux it to format and start from fresh. which is not much of a problem as it's easy to backup your user
Re:Mandrake 10 Sucks (I'm serious!) (Score:2)
However, root could login, but KDE was behaving very strangly. I even tried to make a couple new accounts to try again with normal users. Still, only root could login to KDE. I then tried to run urmpi so as to update the system, but it only returned cryptic errors.
Sounds like you were out of di
Re:Huh?! (Score:2)
Doing this way, you can install an OS, and when a new one comes along, you can easily upgrade
Re:Huh?! (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Mandrake is screwing over its own members. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Mandrake is screwing over its own members. (Score:3, Informative)
I just signed up for the Standard plan. Now I find out, even though I'm a mandrake club member, I can't download some ISO's. Only Silver and higher can. And the ISO's I get are the public release version. How freaking ABSURD!
Being a member means you get releases sooner, and you get better access to updated packages and custom packages. Generally speaking they only release bugfixes publically. Members get "real" upgraded packages.
The main reason to be a member is to give something back. Free software m
Re:Mandrake is screwing over its own members. (Score:2)
You should be aware that any 'PowerPack' packages you're missing can be downloaded right from the special urpmi access for club members - just run drakclub to set it up for you.
Re:Worth a good look (Score:2)
By the way, did you try urpmi openssh?
Re:Seeing my chance here... (Score:2)
2) nfts_resize is still a bit experimental, i think mdk's implementation tries to be intelligent before farking your data (as one might hope) so this might just be telling you that it wont work.
3) you can try to partition-magic first, then install
4) last option (assuming ironclad backups), is to let mandrake from-scratch partition the whole drive, but allow the first partition to be fat32 or nothing or whatever, dont give it a mount point, and let it be the size you want your n
Re:TORRENT (Score:2)