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Mandrakelinux 10 Official Released 322

boklm writes "Two months after the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community release, the enhanced and polished 'Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official release' has been announced. Download ISOs are available today for Club members and packs are also avaible on MandrakeStore." As Shipud puts it, "USB2 support... vive 2.6.3 !!"
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Mandrakelinux 10 Official Released

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  • ISO (Score:2, Insightful)

    I need Mandrake ISO's but I don't want to pay to be in the club. Where can I get some?
    • Re:ISO (Score:5, Informative)

      by el-spectre ( 668104 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:30PM (#8863516) Journal
      Wait a couple of weeks and they'll be available to non-club folks.
      • Re:ISO (Score:3, Funny)

        by dj245 ( 732906 )
        Want Mandrake Linux 10 Now? So do millions of other people. Join the club.
    • You don't have to. Just click "Already paid or planning to play" or something of that sort.

      What exactly is different in this version? I haven't ran it yet, but maybe that's the reason why my last version of 10.0 would not allow me to get online with my laptop... Hopefully this will work though. o_O
  • I knew those damn Microsoft advertisements would crash Slashdot sooner or later!
  • Damn! (Score:3, Funny)

    by McLoud ( 92118 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:29PM (#8863510)
    But I don't ever terminated the beta version download! Damn 2GB download, now I need to restart it again :/
    • Re:Damn! (Score:3, Insightful)

      by wolrahnaes ( 632574 )
      I'm on dialup and just finished 10.0 Community three days ago....I feel your pain man...

      I think I'll wait for the retail version and show a little $upport for my favorite distro.
  • by rdsmith4 ( 767227 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:29PM (#8863513)
    but what is the difference between Community and Official?

    And did slashdot go offline in the past half hour? Doubtless someone has mentioned it already...

    • yeah it was down
    • by Anders ( 395 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:39PM (#8863584)

      but what is the difference between Community and Official?

      The Official version is basically the Community version plus a few months worth of updates. Thus, the Official version should have the major errors removed and be Very Stable.

      Plus, the Official version is what you get if you want a boxed version.

    • Mandrake recently created a new category for their release called Community. The Community version has been well teste, and is supposely "good enough", but not "good enough" for production use. While this Official version is well... "better".

      The more I try to explain this the more confused I get. I think they should just differentiate their products like so:


    • Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between Community and Official?

      According to the Mandrake Linux Users Club Page [mandrakelinux.com], among other things members of the club are entitled to:

      • Silver members can download the first three ISO images from the latest PowerPack along with its numerous proprietary drivers and plugins.
      • Full access to commercial applications which are normally only available in retail packs. Over 130 high-quality packages built & tested for Mandrake Linux can be installed
      • Thus it appears that at least one of the differences between Communty and Official is that the latter contains proprietary software and drivers that need not and cannot be distributed pursuant to the GPL or other Open Source license.

        Not quite. There are two "editions" of both Community and Official, the Download edition (available to everyone) and the Powerpack edition (only available to silver members and above, and contaning the proprietary software you mentioned). So everyone will be able to get Com
    • by imr ( 106517 )
      right now, official = community + updates

      in a little while, community unfreezes and gets back to be a testing version of the distribution. More stable than cooker, with less experimental stuff, but which could be less stable than the official, since bleeding edge stuff is tested there.

      I also remember, that community will produce an official.1 some time in the future, an up to date official version with all updates and more bleeding edge stuff incorporated into it, yet stable, like the 9.2.1 isos that were
  • Pardon my French but (Score:4, Interesting)

    by JCCyC ( 179760 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:29PM (#8863514) Journal
    Will they offer delayed ISOs for the masses? Preinstalled Nvidia drivers, Flash etc. is a nice thing, and I can wait.
    • by mpol ( 719243 )
      The "ISOs for the masses" consist of only free software. The nvidia and ati drivers are on the commercial cd's, and available as club downloads.
      Ofcourse you can go with the free download and install those drivers yourself.
  • Just Installed (Score:5, Informative)

    by foshizzlemynizzle ( 655903 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:30PM (#8863515)
    Installation was a breeze. So far USB2 support is not bad, my USB2 HD is working as it should. Thats all I have to report, but I like this version much better than 9 so far.
  • by teamhasnoi ( 554944 ) <teamhasnoi@@@yahoo...com> on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:30PM (#8863519) Journal
    My pal went back to 9.1, because 10.0 was 'flaky', as he put it.

    Mandrake is just trying to trick people into thinking that it's OS X. It'll never work! Mandrake doesn't come with white spots!

  • by Neil Blender ( 555885 ) <neilblender@gmail.com> on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:30PM (#8863520)
    The slashdot crew was installing the new Mandrake on all their servers at once.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:31PM (#8863525)
    The MandrakeClub forums have been burning up with flames regarding the Mandrake mirrors being totally fucked, and the download "mirrors" actually being links to bittorrents. I'm wondering if that will hurt thier business so soon after getting out of bankruptcy.
  • by after ( 669640 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:33PM (#8863542) Journal
    But why couldnt they squeeze in 2.6.4 at the time they were getting ready to relese the ISOs'? I used to be a Mandrake user, but I got sick of the fact that once you install, there are no easely automated ways to update yoyr software. I use Gentoo [gentoo.org], primarily because I think portage (I also use FreeBSD ;)) is the best thing since sliced bread. I also have the 2.6.5 [kernel.org] kernel thanks to portage, and USB 2 support is better then ever.

    I really think Mandrake, LLC (or what is it?) should concider using a different package/software manager in future releases. This [gentoo.org] gentoo forums post even describes how to install the superb portage on other distros.

    Anyway, someone feel free to correct me or mod me down.
    • There is an automated way to update your kernel..cp /boot/oldconfig-2.6.3 /usr/src/linux-2.4.5 && make mrproper etc.

      The problem comes when you rely on the package manager to take care of stuff you ought to take care of yourself (my biggest beef with Gentoo).

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:43PM (#8863635)
      uhm, are you just stupid or what?

      try mandrake update. its easy. painless. simple. a monkey could do it.

      if yer a little more clueful, try urpmi.

      mandrake has all the package managers that redhat has, and all the package managers that gentoo has, and all the package managers that debian has too.
      and some more.

      get a clue. try it. its easy.

      and to those people who say its not stable, wtf are you smoking? can i get some?

      mandrake 10 "just works"...
      • Take a look, for example, at one of the latest KDE releases [kde.org] for example. Looks of distributions have released packages, even some gnome-centric ones. Where are the Mandrake packages?

        You might be able to apply some security patches to Mandrake releases, but the only package updates visible to me in 9.2, is a little bit of documentation.

        IAAMCM (I am a Mandrake Club Member)
    • I used to be a Mandrake user, but I got sick of the fact that once you install, there are no easely automated ways to update yoyr software.

      You mean like "MandrakeUpdate"? Or from the command-line:

      urpmi.update -a
      urpmi --auto --auto-select

      Just be sure to specify a good update source first, because the initial selection (at least in 9.X) are pretty bogged down. The updates are mirrored all over the place though.
    • > I used to be a Mandrake user, but I got sick of the fact that once you install, there are no easely automated ways to update yoyr software

      What is wrong with urpmi? Oh, the fact that you don't get the newest revision of all software as soon as it is released as source? Then try using the Cooker, but don't complain about stability.

      There is a reason why there are point releases.

      > But why couldnt they squeeze in 2.6.4 at the time they were getting ready to relese the ISOs'?

      Maybe because they want to
    • On a just-barely-related note, for those who like portage, but hate compiling, I recommend Arch Linux. Very nice.
  • Is there any kind of objective review of these two ?

    I'm trying to decide on one to distribute locally.
  • by Njovich ( 553857 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:37PM (#8863571)
    Slashdot was down so some geek finally had time to do the work necessary for this release. Thank you Slashdot for helping us out!
  • by newdamage ( 753043 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:41PM (#8863608) Homepage Journal
    I downloaded the 3 ISOs for Mandrake 10 Community when it came out, and kept up with the updates throughout the next few weeks. I had it installed on an Asus L3C laptop that dual booted between XP and Linux. Here's my experiences:

    1. Install: rocks. Take note Linux Distros, this is how things should happen, enough configuration available, but simple enough to let it go and go watch Family Guy instead.

    2. Boot: One major issue, every time I booted it would alternate between thinking my Orinoco gold pcmcia wireless card would be not present, or thing a new one had been put in and try to reinstall it, this was a real pain the in ass, and was the major reason Mandrake 10 got booted for a second time (9.2 is no longer on my good list either) from this laptop. Maybe this distro is just better for desktops.

    3. Usage: KDE 3.2 is nice, I like it, but quite frankly, I think I'm still a Gnome person. Also, if all the drak tools worked correctly all the time, I wouldn't have a problem with Mandrake having their config files all over the place, but tweaking config files by hand just isn't a good thing to do with this distro, and therefore some things just don't work properly (drakconnect!).

    Overall, Mandrake is a nice distro, and is great for people new to Linux, but for more intermediate and advanced users, there's better things out there. Quite frankly, my laptop runs really really well using Slackware 9.1, Kernel 2.6.5, Dropline Gnome 2.6, and Swaret (using slackware-current) to automate the upgrade process. Yes, you have to get your hands dirty with Slackware sometimes, but at least things work like they're susposed to, and things that aren't there can be easily installed, and personalized shell/perl scripts are finally reality for those who want full control of their machine.

    Don't misunderstand me, I think Mandrake has a ton of potential and I really want to see them succeed, it just still needs more polish. But compared to Fedora and SUSE, I think Mandrake is the best jumping in point for users who have never touched Linux before.
    • > One major issue, every time I booted it would alternate between thinking my Orinoco gold pcmcia wireless card would be not present, or thing a new one had been put in and try to reinstall it

      Weird. I have that issue with the previous Mandrake. (9.2, right?) I "solved" it (loose usage, I know) by just ejecting the Orinoco card during bootup and re-inserting after it passed the eth0/1 initialization. Kinda stupid, but it stopped complaining.

      It does something similar with the floppy drive, thoug
    • by myowntrueself ( 607117 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @06:56PM (#8864407)
      So far as I can tell, the main reason for going debian these days (at home and I'm mainly talking about 'workstations') is if you specifically don't want to have your hardware set up for you.

      Some people really *do* want to spend all day configuring their NICs, tv tuner cards, soundcards etc. ;-)

      Mandrake truly rocks for its automatic hardware detection and configuration.

      I am an advanced Linux user. I have been using Linux since 1992. I work as a sysadmin at a web hosting outfit that uses debian almost exclusively.

      I use Mandrake at home because I work on computers all day.

      When I get home I want my computers to just freaking *work* and not spend all weekend configuring them.

      Mandrake is good like that.

      Mandrake is not just "great for people new to Linux" its also great for lazy but advanced users like me.

    • 2. Boot: One major issue, every time I booted it would alternate between thinking my Orinoco gold pcmcia wireless card would be not present, or thing a new one had been put in and try to reinstall it, this was a real pain the in ass, and was the major reason Mandrake 10 got booted for a second time (9.2 is no longer on my good list either) from this laptop. Maybe this distro is just better for desktops.

      Oh, just like my Windows 2000 machine - for the last few weeks, it occasionally starts detecting a "mul

    • by Anonymous Coward
      Plus, Mandrake is fast.

      Using similar configurations, Mandrake has been consistently >10% faster than Redhat (and now Fedora) on all systems I have installed it on.

      While Fedora might take 2 seconds to load the KDE menu, Mandrake opens it instantly. This is running the same kernel version and similar kernel configs.

      I've been using Mandrake on and off since the 5.x releases, when it's main feature was the much-hyped Pentium optimizations, and it has consistently been one of the most responsive distros ar
  • Anyone got a link to a .torrent?
  • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:48PM (#8863685) Journal
    I am a silver member. I have been for some time. I am currently running 10.0 community on several of my systems so that I could at least help debug. Now, it appears that a silver member will only get you a desktop, not the real core. No APache. No hylafax. No kolab. No DB (postgres or mysql). Nothing.

    Is there anybody here from mandrake who can help explain why it appears that those of us who helped bring you out of bankruptcy are suddenly being screwed?

    I will be downloading it, but if the web page was correct about this, then I will be canceling the membership and turning 10 families on over to a different distro. Hopefully, it it just a screw up in how things are presented.
    • What are you talking about? Even the public ISOs have those available. Did you not install them when you installed Mandrake? If so, download them with urpmi instead.
    • by mpol ( 719243 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @06:07PM (#8863892) Homepage
      10.0 community does carry apache (apache1 and apache2), hylafax (and drakfax to configure it) and kolab. Also postgres and mysql are around. Maybe not all of them ended up on the iso's (but if so, then it should be on the 4th and 5th cds), and you can always install any mandrake package additionally from the mirrors, once they are functional agin with the new trees.

      I think you are misinformed in some way. What webpage did you read this?

      The official release is actually community with updates, and carries the same. If you have the commercial version (from club, mandrakestore or boxed set) it also includes ati and nvidia drivers, and some other commercial software. So if you are a silver member, you should be able to put your hands on these commercial cd's of the official release.
      • I think you are misinformed in some way. waht webpage did you read this?

        Here is the sites comparisions. [mandrakesoft.com]
        Here is the official club day [mandrakeclub.com]
        And here is from my e-mail:
        - Silver Members and above: Immediate access to 5 Mandrakelinux 10.0
        Official PowerPack CD ISO images which includes three Install CDs plus
        two additional CDs of extra applications

        - Gold Members and above: Immediate access to 7 Mandrakelinux 10.0
        Official PowerPack+ CD ISO images which includes three Install CDs
        plus four additional CDs o
    • The missing information is only in your head.
    • hmmm... did you just try to install the packages first ? There is no such thing as a "desktop" distro or a "server" distro for Mandrake...

      Ok, you need to check the group of packages saying "Databases" to have the databases (like postgres) installed, it may not install MySQL by default, but if you go in your Mandrake Control Center, you can actually install that software (it even tells you which cd to install).

      By the way, software works better if installed... ;-)

      And I'm using a Mdk 10.0 Community to te

  • by SnappingTurtle ( 688331 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @05:56PM (#8863770) Homepage
    Millions of hackers around world seen doing work. Sighs of "is it back up again?" heard in cubicles around the nation. Bizarre trend starts around 5:15pm EST, ends by 6pm.

    In small backlash, office girls around the world report increase in bad flirting by guys with dorky hair cuts.

    Meanwhile, Microsoft Super-Secret Tracking Server Explodes. "It appears that everyone opened Minesweeper at once", claims Steve Ballmer, "and all those Windows machines 'phoning home' about the application launch was just too much for our server to take."

    "We were damn lucky that Solitaire launches are sent to a different tracking server", he added.

  • Mandrake (Score:2, Interesting)

    I upgraded to Mandrake 10.0 Community on my laptop about 2 weeks ago. The install was smooth but the touchpad was extremely over sensitive. I had to go back to 9.2. I'm running 10.0 on a desktop/server now and it works great. About the only valid argument against Mandrake would be the size of the install with all those automated goodies. I'll probobly grab the stable 10.0 ISOs once the demand dies down in a month or so.

    Right now they are heavily overloaded. As a side note, you can skip by clicking "I'm a c
  • i was looking at some of their product material on their web site and came across this [mandrakesoft.com] page.

    i was expecting those little thumbnails to enlarge to larger screenshots - but sadly they don't appear to. for a company that appears to pride itself on the visual appearance of it's distro i think they let themselves down very badly by the presentation and architecture of their web site.

    so my point... it's all well and good to invest large amounts of time and money into bringing a good (from some of the threads th
  • 1. My Mouseman Logitech cordless optical mouse was virtually uncontrollable on Mandrake, despite tweaking the settings for about half an hour to no avail.
    2. Installing programs lead to conflicts and dependancies and almost invariably it took me up to an hour to install one program, if I got it to install at all.

    So: Has driver support increased and has a nice simplistic installation add/remove method been created? That's what I need.
  • by CyBlue ( 701644 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @06:40PM (#8864272)
    "Mandrake official released" ? They should just thrown away the key.
  • Update procedure (Score:4, Informative)

    by MarkVVV ( 740454 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @07:59PM (#8865002)
    For everyone that is running 10.0 CE and wants to upgrade: urpmi.removemedia -a (clears urpmi setup) then urpmi.addmedia main ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrakelinux/official/10.0/i586/Mandrake/ RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrakelinux/official/10.0/contrib/i586/ with ../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz urpmi.addmedia --update updates ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrakelinux/official/updates/10.0/RPMS/ with ../base/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.pcds.ch/pub/plf/mandrake/10.0 with hdlist.cz and finally... urpmi --auto-select done ;)

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